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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-52421</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSI, are you really my wife?  LOL  LOL  LOL  </description>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-52404</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ok, ok, I was a just a nerd&lt;/em&gt;
What&#039;s with the past tense there, bucko? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ok, ok, I was a just a nerd</em><br />
What&#8217;s with the past tense there, bucko? <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-52363</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was cutting edge back in the dark ages.  I retired my old-fashioned straight &quot;slip stick&quot; and adopted the state-of-the-art circular slide rule.  I was hip, man.  Cool daddy-o.  Unsquare.  With it.  Too cool for school.








Ok, ok, I was a just a nerd.  But I did have a DA haircut.               </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was cutting edge back in the dark ages.  I retired my old-fashioned straight &#8220;slip stick&#8221; and adopted the state-of-the-art circular slide rule.  I was hip, man.  Cool daddy-o.  Unsquare.  With it.  Too cool for school.</p>
<p>Ok, ok, I was a just a nerd.  But I did have a DA haircut.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-52080</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the good old slide rule.  Heck if I know where my HS era one went.  I might have to go to stupid to get one for kicks. :)

Didn&#039;t really get into puch cards, but did some tutoring on the old IBM data processing machines. IIRC, what looked like typewriters and had a cartridge that could hold a couple pages worth of text.  Mainly used for generating form letters.

Well, now that we&#039;re talking beyond PCs, in 10th grade, I was a proud owner of an OMRON calculator.  Wasn&#039;t just a  run of the mill type for &#039;77-78, it was programmable and you had to use &#039;enter&#039; as there was no &#039;=&#039;.  I only had it for a couple of months before someone stole it and I was too poor to blow $150 on another import. :(

I also once had a real woodie calculator in 5th grade - an abacus :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the good old slide rule.  Heck if I know where my HS era one went.  I might have to go to stupid to get one for kicks. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t really get into puch cards, but did some tutoring on the old IBM data processing machines. IIRC, what looked like typewriters and had a cartridge that could hold a couple pages worth of text.  Mainly used for generating form letters.</p>
<p>Well, now that we&#8217;re talking beyond PCs, in 10th grade, I was a proud owner of an OMRON calculator.  Wasn&#8217;t just a  run of the mill type for &#8217;77-78, it was programmable and you had to use &#8216;enter&#8217; as there was no &#8216;=&#8217;.  I only had it for a couple of months before someone stole it and I was too poor to blow $150 on another import. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also once had a real woodie calculator in 5th grade &#8211; an abacus <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-52061</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punch cards? Did &#039;em.
Slide rule? Used &#039;em for calculus and trig in high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punch cards? Did &#8216;em.<br />
Slide rule? Used &#8216;em for calculus and trig in high school.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-51773</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody want to buy a Commodore 64, complete with external cassette tape drive?  </description>
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		<title>By: Charlie on the Pennsylvania Turnpike</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/outsourced/comment-page-2/#comment-51762</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie on the Pennsylvania Turnpike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: being old

Recently, a customer and I were talking of the &#039;old days&#039;, using punch cards.  Two &#039;kids&#039; wondered what we were speaking about.  I Google&#039;d a punch card, and then the discussion turned to something even more &#039;primitive&#039;: slide rules.    After another search, I am proud to say I have a slide rule on my shelf, next to my 8&quot; floppy disk.  (Go to STUPID.COM to buy your own slide rule)

Said one of the kids: &#039;Hey! I saw something like in the movie APOLLO 13!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: being old</p>
<p>Recently, a customer and I were talking of the &#8216;old days&#8217;, using punch cards.  Two &#8216;kids&#8217; wondered what we were speaking about.  I Google&#8217;d a punch card, and then the discussion turned to something even more &#8216;primitive&#8217;: slide rules.    After another search, I am proud to say I have a slide rule on my shelf, next to my 8&#8243; floppy disk.  (Go to STUPID.COM to buy your own slide rule)</p>
<p>Said one of the kids: &#8216;Hey! I saw something like in the movie APOLLO 13!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll put in my two cents worth about outsourcing.  I am not an economist or anything like that.  I am a corporate trainer. I used to work for a major managment consulting firm that eventually outsourced their document production departments from Europe and North America to India.

One of the orignal reasons for the company to even consider doing this was due to German labor laws; they did NOT allow overtime work.  So, the German offices looked elsewhere to get the work done.  The North American offices soon followed for various reasons; but one of the prime reasons was cost.  For the price of one document production employee in the Northeastern U.S. the company could hire several employees in Chennai, India.  The typical response from many here in the U.S. is to call it a &#039;sweatshop&#039;  This is not at all accurate. The consulting firm pays their Indian employees a bit more than if they were working for an Indian company, their benefits are not bad at all; including free transportation to and from the office.  And not the least important, they only work FIVE days a week.  Indian companies have their employees work SIX days a week.

Of course, I am now out of work.  BUT, I am not complaining.  If the employees in India can be more competative, more power to them.  I, myself, got the company to pay for a trip to India to train the new hires in Chennai; whom, BTW, were very glad to get their jobs at this company and were among the best trainees I have ever had.  After two months of training I took vacation in India and travelled around the country for three weeks.  While I paid for my own vacation expenses I would not have been able to afford the $10,000 flight to India, so I gained something.

And after it was all over I got enough of a severance pay to help pay for graduate school.  I now have an Ed.M. in continuing education to make myself more marketable and more competative.  And my experiences in India may have helped as well.

I also believe that someday India, too, will be outsourcing to some other place.  Remember, manufactoring first &#039;outsourced&#039; to the Far East; Japan and others like Taiwan and South Korea now outsource to the Philipines, Indonesia, and India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll put in my two cents worth about outsourcing.  I am not an economist or anything like that.  I am a corporate trainer. I used to work for a major managment consulting firm that eventually outsourced their document production departments from Europe and North America to India.</p>
<p>One of the orignal reasons for the company to even consider doing this was due to German labor laws; they did NOT allow overtime work.  So, the German offices looked elsewhere to get the work done.  The North American offices soon followed for various reasons; but one of the prime reasons was cost.  For the price of one document production employee in the Northeastern U.S. the company could hire several employees in Chennai, India.  The typical response from many here in the U.S. is to call it a &#8216;sweatshop&#8217;  This is not at all accurate. The consulting firm pays their Indian employees a bit more than if they were working for an Indian company, their benefits are not bad at all; including free transportation to and from the office.  And not the least important, they only work FIVE days a week.  Indian companies have their employees work SIX days a week.</p>
<p>Of course, I am now out of work.  BUT, I am not complaining.  If the employees in India can be more competative, more power to them.  I, myself, got the company to pay for a trip to India to train the new hires in Chennai; whom, BTW, were very glad to get their jobs at this company and were among the best trainees I have ever had.  After two months of training I took vacation in India and travelled around the country for three weeks.  While I paid for my own vacation expenses I would not have been able to afford the $10,000 flight to India, so I gained something.</p>
<p>And after it was all over I got enough of a severance pay to help pay for graduate school.  I now have an Ed.M. in continuing education to make myself more marketable and more competative.  And my experiences in India may have helped as well.</p>
<p>I also believe that someday India, too, will be outsourcing to some other place.  Remember, manufactoring first &#8216;outsourced&#8217; to the Far East; Japan and others like Taiwan and South Korea now outsource to the Philipines, Indonesia, and India.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My aged computer science professor in college (&#039;95) still had, in the back room of the lab, punch cards he had used and programmed as a younger man.  He even had the card rotator mechanical deal.

&quot;It has to be about YOU!!&quot;  Well, In the sixth grade we used, and I believe it was several years vintage even at that time, a set up with the standard tape drive (it took forever).  I think it was an Altair 8800 or a PET, but I can&#039;t recall exactly.  Used to give us a sense of the fundamentals of computing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My aged computer science professor in college (&#8217;95) still had, in the back room of the lab, punch cards he had used and programmed as a younger man.  He even had the card rotator mechanical deal.</p>
<p>&#8220;It has to be about YOU!!&#8221;  Well, In the sixth grade we used, and I believe it was several years vintage even at that time, a set up with the standard tape drive (it took forever).  I think it was an Altair 8800 or a PET, but I can&#8217;t recall exactly.  Used to give us a sense of the fundamentals of computing.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....working....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.working&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. It has to be about YOU! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. It has to be about YOU! <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My college roomate had an Osborne computer in &#039;82 and let me play adventure, space invaders and fool with creating text pictures - never was any good at art with Xs &amp; Os.  Does that count :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My college roomate had an Osborne computer in &#8217;82 and let me play adventure, space invaders and fool with creating text pictures &#8211; never was any good at art with Xs &amp; Os.  Does that count <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father started as an Assembly programmer for Texaco 35 years ago (and retired 5 years ago).

Beaten, all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father started as an Assembly programmer for Texaco 35 years ago (and retired 5 years ago).</p>
<p>Beaten, all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DS and LaShawn, 

I&#039;ve been working on computers since Nov 88. That makes DS smarter and better and wiser.... :P
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<p>I&#8217;ve been working on computers since Nov 88. That makes DS smarter and better and wiser&#8230;. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie on the Pennsylvania Turnpike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie on the Pennsylvania Turnpike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I know the arguments.  A year ago I was downsized from a defence contractor&#039;s position.  I took a clerical job at a 30% pay cut to cover my mortgage (and keep my security clearance intact).

Two months later I got another job; the commute is 110 miles... each way.  Relocating is not an option for me, so I do it.

No, few on minimum wage can buy a new TV, but tell me how many people aspire ONLY to make minimum wage?  In 3 months, if the employer doesn&#039;t recognize the skills of the employee, that employee ought to find another job that will recognize him.  Sooner or later, he will.  And if the employee isn&#039;t worth giving a raise, then there isn&#039;t any debate, is there?

Not only that taking one manâ€™s (or womanâ€™s) ability earn a living and provide for their family and giving it to someone else is not right! Isnâ€™t that the conservative argument about the graduated income tax schedule?

The tax argument I espouse is for a flat tax.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I know the arguments.  A year ago I was downsized from a defence contractor&#8217;s position.  I took a clerical job at a 30% pay cut to cover my mortgage (and keep my security clearance intact).</p>
<p>Two months later I got another job; the commute is 110 miles&#8230; each way.  Relocating is not an option for me, so I do it.</p>
<p>No, few on minimum wage can buy a new TV, but tell me how many people aspire ONLY to make minimum wage?  In 3 months, if the employer doesn&#8217;t recognize the skills of the employee, that employee ought to find another job that will recognize him.  Sooner or later, he will.  And if the employee isn&#8217;t worth giving a raise, then there isn&#8217;t any debate, is there?</p>
<p>Not only that taking one manâ€™s (or womanâ€™s) ability earn a living and provide for their family and giving it to someone else is not right! Isnâ€™t that the conservative argument about the graduated income tax schedule?</p>
<p>The tax argument I espouse is for a flat tax.</p>
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