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Man thinks he’s in the Middle East. Beats up sister for dating outside the faith. Parents do nothing. Sharia law.
And who are we to say it’s wrong? This is Islamic culture, after all, and we respect all religions and all cultures in America, land of religious tolerance.
What can you do? To each his own. Don’t be such a religious bigot! Celebrate diversity!
Bye, bye, Western culture…down the toilet.
People have disowned their relatives for dating outside of faith or race in this country.
For example, the Jewish/Christian marriage is not widely accepted. Is there bigotry there?
Comment by DarkStar — 06.27.05 @ 9:38 pm
Right, DS. Compare isolated instances in the land of the free with a culture that kills women for having the nerve to be raped. Don’t get me started tonight.
Comment by La Shawn — 06.27.05 @ 9:39 pm
I’ve been ostracized from some liberal circles for being so critical of Islamofascists. Whenever I refer to these nuts as “thugs” or “loons” seems to rile up some of my liberal friends.
But, anyone who beats his sister fo dating outside of their religion deserves the “thug” title before his name.
Comment by Mike M. — 06.27.05 @ 9:44 pm
“Bye, bye, Western culture…down the toilet. ”
Looks like its doing just fine from the article.
Comment by actus — 06.27.05 @ 9:45 pm
“Man thinks he’s in the Middle East.” Maybe he’s just unaware that several airlines can sell him a one-way ticket to the backward country of his choice where he can smack women around to his heart’s content.
Comment by RedBeard — 06.27.05 @ 9:46 pm
My guess, however, is that parents wouldn’t normally condone having one child nearly beating to death another because of this and not taking her to the hospital. I would probably say it does happen to some non-Muslims in this country, although this would be the exception. Unfortunately, the 8th century thinking of a large percentage of Muslims still allows (and blesses) actions of this kind. Take a look at what’s happening on a regular basis in Germany and Pakistan.
Another wonderful example of the benefits of the religion of peace.
Comment by Steve — 06.27.05 @ 9:46 pm
People want the privileges of this great country, RedBeard, even as they badmouth it and disregard its laws. If only I were queen, many things would be different…
Comment by La Shawn — 06.27.05 @ 9:50 pm
Queen La Shawn….. has a nice ring to it. How was that for sycophancy? LOL
You’re right, of course. Far too many immigrants today come here to take advantage, not to take part. Sickeningly different than immigrants of other generations who came here to become Americans.
Comment by RedBeard — 06.27.05 @ 10:01 pm
All right, he has been charged and he is in the system under American law. Which is the way it should be. We have laws and a legal system because we don’t always do the right thing, for whatever reason. If I am inclined to take it easy on the parents … he is their child too.
Comment by nk — 06.27.05 @ 10:33 pm
This is the one aspect of Islamic culture that I will never understand. My sister married a man I couldn’t stand, but that was her bad decision. I have yet to meet one Muslim who could explain how they could endorse killing kinfolk over this. I just don’t get it.
Comment by James Manning — 06.27.05 @ 10:38 pm
South Carolina has the rate of wife beating nationwide…i don’t think muslims alone can account for that….
Comment by sel — 06.27.05 @ 10:52 pm
Does South Carolina have the highest rate of ’sister’ beatings nationwide?
What about acid burns to the face for wearing makeup? Gang rapes dictated by tribal leaders for a siblings crime? Throats slit for dressing in western fashion?
How does South Carolina compare to oh, lets say Pakistan, in these categories?
Comment by Riggs — 06.27.05 @ 11:13 pm
Well, La Shawn, apparently the county welfare services did take action so it isn’t quite as bleak as you make it sound. The girl was placed in foster care and now she has apparently recanted her story. If that is true, there is little anyone can do.
Even in America, as much as we pay lip service to marriage and family, police and prosecutors are leery of becoming entangled in domestic disputes. The primary reason is that if police are called the warring parties will frequently side with each other against outsiders. I suspect that’s what is happening in this instance.
On a pertinent and closer to home, has there been any resolution in the execution style murder of the Coptic Christian family in New Jersey?
Comment by SickAndTired — 06.27.05 @ 11:18 pm
How can you call disowning for dating outside of a religion isolated incidents? I think that’s a disingenuous statement, to say the least.
-Daniel
Comment by Daniel Naleid — 06.27.05 @ 11:41 pm
Yeah, her brother broke her back. I seem to recall a commenter a few weeks ago thinking that such tales of abuse and trickery to Arab women of other faiths were so outlandish that it simply had to be a case of jucing up a story.
I saw the girl (dressed somewhat sexily in makeup, black jeans, blouse — couple of button undone — and hijab - how weird/Western is that?) on the news last Friday that she wanted to go back home to her family and that she really did fall down the stairs and only lied to the cops to spite her family.
Apparently she was in care of her aunt (traditional muslim dress & hijab) until the hearing. Judge said she would have to think about it but in the mentime she could stay with her aunt. [shakes head]
Here’s an idea — part of the immigration policy includes a family physical to check for genital multiation. If found, enablers are barred for life from the US, while the victims are offered the opportunity to break away.
Anyone suspected of sharia enforcement that violates our laws but not found guilty is deported, do not pass GO. That way, Muslims who live here can practice that religion of peace.
Inflamatory? Perhaps, but they need to get the message that our laws trump their culture/faith.
Comment by Andy — 06.28.05 @ 12:03 am
IN THIS COUNTRY Daniel. That’s what her reference was to. The number of those happenings here compared to in a culture that virtually requires it.
Comment by Mark La Roi — 06.28.05 @ 12:15 am
“How can you call disowning for dating outside of a religion isolated incidents? I think that’s a disingenuous statement, to say the least.”
Daniel, how can you comment on something, in good conscience, when you apparently did not even read the article? The girl was 15 years old, and she wasn’t just, “disowned,” she was beaten until her back was broken! Then she was not taken for medical treatment immediately. I’d call that an, “isolated incident.” Wouldn’t you?
Comment by JannyMae — 06.28.05 @ 12:18 am
The law says that a parent can force religious worship on a child. That’s part of the freedom of religion. But, that’s assuming there’s no injury to the child, in the forced religious expression/worship. Injury is the deal-breaker.
I’m sure many children/teens don’t want to go to church, but their parents force them to.
My parents made it clear, that if I was living under their roof, I’d go to Church every week, whether I liked it or not. They had the right to do that. It worked out. When I got older, I accepted Jesus Christ, on my own, as my personal Savior, and made my own commitment. Would I have gotten to that point, without my parents prodding? Don’t even want to think about it.
There are many cultures that still do arranged marriages……provided the child, of legal age, goes along with it.
Comment by Glamchild — 06.28.05 @ 1:27 am
For example, the Jewish/Christian marriage is not widely accepted. Is there bigotry there?
Yeah, being ostracized. That is the same thing as being beaten within an inch of your life.
Bigotry and viloence may not be sins exclusive to Islam, but they sure are on their way to making it a defining feature of their faith here in America.
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 06.28.05 @ 6:36 am
Many excellent points here, and thank you LaShawn for posting this. I believe that our religious freedoms, like most of our freedoms, extend outward until they reach another. So I am free to worship until that freedom interferes with another’s rights, as in a woman’s right to live peacefully and to exist free of fear of violence and to be secure in one’s own personal safety. In other words, for someone to suggest that beating another based on religious rights is a protected act is egregious and shortsiighted. Unless it can be defined within the context of self defense, physical violence is just that, and should be punished as such.
And I can already anticipate a “spare the rod” comparison and my only response is to reasonably question the degree of physicality. Is spanking a misbehaving child the same as beating an adult who is capable of independent, mature decision making?
Comment by Lyn — 06.28.05 @ 7:33 am
Good post La Shawn.
On Sesame Street I remember a song that had a line that said, “One of these things is not like the other ones.” Apparently very few Liberals learned that song or else they have forgotten it. Look for the false equivalencies we have heard in the overblown rhetoric of the Liberals:
Panties over the head = head being cut off
Gitmo = Soviet Union gulag, Nazi concentration camp or Cambodian killing fields
Disowning someone for marrying outside the family’s faith = beating up a relative for dating outside the faith.
Comment by Evon Bachaus — 06.28.05 @ 8:41 am
Well, in being my normally conservative with words self, I didn’t mention that one of the families who cast out a person for interracial marriage, beat up the romantic interest.
And lets not forget, shall we, the numerous spousal abuse cases, husband beating wife and wife beating husband, that go on in the U.S.
And lets not forget, shall we, are the [ hugely? ] under reported cases of child molestation by family members.
It’s only RECENTLY that spousal abuse has been criminalized. AND in some places still, I think, a man cannot be charged with raping his wife. (Oh, that’s another can of worms).
You’ll have to forgive me. For my relatively young age, I’ve seen a lot. And I have family members who deal with abused teenagers and children. It is no exaggeration when I say that in some families, child molestation is a generational occurance.
Finally, how many of you snicker or scoff at the idea of a woman beating up her husband? How seriously do the police departments across the country treat that?
When I was a kid, I saw a woman beat the mess out of her husband. A neighbor called the police. When the police arrived, they laughed at the man and left. She then proceeded to beat his behind again because the cops got involved.
Comment by DarkStar — 06.28.05 @ 8:43 am
You’re way out in left field, DS. If you want to ignore the point of the article, go ahead. It’s still a free country. For now.
Comment by La Shawn — 06.28.05 @ 8:47 am
DS,
We’re not saying it’s unnacaeptable because these people are muslims. We are saying it is not acceptable for ANYONE, period. It is the stance of many in that community, however, that this is their culture and religion and therefore off limits to criticizism.
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 06.28.05 @ 10:16 am
I would love for them to ship “Jughead” Kennedy down to Gitmo and let him work there a while. Maybe we would get lucky?
Comment by Garza — 06.28.05 @ 10:19 am
We can say this about Kennedy and Gitmo: with the kind of meals they serve down there, he definitely wouldn’t lose any weight.
Comment by La Shawn — 06.28.05 @ 10:49 am
Careful, La Shawn, you’ll hurt a liberal’s feelings and, as we’ve seen demonstrated on this blog, many equate injured feelings with broken bones. By the way, I disagree about Kennedy’s diet at Gitmo. Cut him off from alcohol and the carbohydrate content of his diet will decrease dramatically.
Comment by Kevin — 06.28.05 @ 11:32 am
Great article La Shawn. Could anyone explain to me why we allow these primitives to emigrate to the USA?
They obviously have no intention of adopting western standards.
Comment by Shipwrecked — 06.28.05 @ 1:00 pm
Morality - A Relative Post
2) Yesterday, La Shawn Barber posted on the savage beating of a 15-year-old Muslim girl by her brother simply because she was dating a non-Muslim boy. La Shawn, as do I, believes this action to be immoral.
Trackback by Devil's Advocate — 06.28.05 @ 1:10 pm
At the end of the story:
“Now she is recanting the original story and also claiming she fell down some stairs”
Liberals of all stripes. Glom onto that statement and report the truth/propoganda. It is your duty to make every accusation the truth and make conservatives splain themselves. The prosecutors are committing a hate crime against this family!
Comment by Baklava — 06.28.05 @ 1:22 pm
I tried DS. But I have no idea how to relate to your argument.
Are you saying that we weren’t so evolved a few decades ago? True. Are people supposed to argue with you about that? It’s like you want to hold the U.S. or the republicans or conservatives to all past sins and not realize any evolving.
Word of advice to you. Liberals and Conservatives 30 years ago were TOTALLY different. Learn what we think now and argue in the present. Mischaracterizing doesn’t advance your argument it weakens it.
Comment by Baklava — 06.28.05 @ 1:29 pm
Women have no rights according to sharia law. It stinks.
Comment by RepJ — 06.28.05 @ 3:02 pm
RepJ, that’s why we should be adamant about expelling Sharia adherants.
Where are the women libbers on this? ACLU? They’re all AWOL, toasting their new friends in a common pact of hatred for Christians.
Comment by Andy — 06.28.05 @ 4:07 pm
“Now she is recanting the original story and also claiming she fell down some stairsâ€
So we should all apologize to the poor son. I do not think so. I would rather someone check the injuries to see if they are consistent with someone falling down the stairs first.
Comment by Davod — 06.28.05 @ 5:51 pm
I tried DS. But I have no idea how to relate to your argument.
Fair enough. Looking at it now, I see I wasn’t clear. My bad.
My point was intended to demonstrate that while our culture is one that is good overall, we have our blemishes and problems. I didn’t intend to equalize the situations, which I see it looks like I was trying to do.
Are you saying that we weren’t so evolved a few decades ago? True.
Decades and now if you really want to look into it.
Look, this society is full of filth and depravity. Showtime has a “reality series” that glorifies the “life” of a porn director. MTV has a “reality series” that glorifies the depravity of strangers living in a house together. We live in local governments that interfere with family members who want to save a child or children from irresponsible parents, to only place the child or children in a foster system that is broken. And then when said children wind up in the streets, turning tricks, “we” just click “our” tongues and shake “our” heads.
This post just happen to hit me at the wrong time.
Oh, and if anyone in the D.C. area wants to check out some work by “women libbers”, maybe they need to check out H.I.P.S.
Comment by DarkStar — 06.28.05 @ 6:55 pm
Oh, and even thought H.I.P.S. isn’t religion based, they do have some success stories.
Comment by DarkStar — 06.28.05 @ 6:57 pm
I know someone who became a born-again Christian, and her Muslim uncle said he will kill her if he ever finds her. And her Muslim family has totally disowned her.
Comment by mj — 06.28.05 @ 9:32 pm
How many would ditch Islam if they didn’t have the threat of dhimmitude or loss of limb or life hanging over them? Too many are bound by this spawn of the devil.
Comment by Andy — 06.28.05 @ 10:09 pm