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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-54006</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

I wondered the same thing when I read &quot;â€œSalvation was first to the Jews, so you tell me.â€&quot;

But I don&#039;t have his degrees.... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>I wondered the same thing when I read &#8220;â€œSalvation was first to the Jews, so you tell me.â€&#8221;</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t have his degrees&#8230;. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-54004</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About that comic character, all I can say is that, yeah, from a black American POV, it could be construed as offensive in light of our own history, but from a multi-culti POV it ain&#039;t but a thing.  Especially in Africa, where black Americans are typically regarded as white.

I recall growing up with Asterix the Gaul, Lucky Luke, Tin-Tin and that comic book series of these sort of tigers with a super long prehensile tail, that were popular around the world, including Africa, that would set most here on edge with their depiction of blacks.  It would appear to still be popular as I still see them on the racks or in the hands of kids whenever I travel.

In a nutshell, most Americans are indeed overly sensitive thanks to the constant drumbeat of race-victimism.  Granted, there are caricatures designed to be mean-spirited, a la Ted Rall, Oliphant et al and then there&#039;s caricatures of ethinic sterotypes.  I guess the truth would be in the story line and character development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About that comic character, all I can say is that, yeah, from a black American POV, it could be construed as offensive in light of our own history, but from a multi-culti POV it ain&#8217;t but a thing.  Especially in Africa, where black Americans are typically regarded as white.</p>
<p>I recall growing up with Asterix the Gaul, Lucky Luke, Tin-Tin and that comic book series of these sort of tigers with a super long prehensile tail, that were popular around the world, including Africa, that would set most here on edge with their depiction of blacks.  It would appear to still be popular as I still see them on the racks or in the hands of kids whenever I travel.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, most Americans are indeed overly sensitive thanks to the constant drumbeat of race-victimism.  Granted, there are caricatures designed to be mean-spirited, a la Ted Rall, Oliphant et al and then there&#8217;s caricatures of ethinic sterotypes.  I guess the truth would be in the story line and character development.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in AZ</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-54002</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so, the divisive war of words goes deep into the night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so, the divisive war of words goes deep into the night.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-54001</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell, 

WRT #54, please explain how the parable of the 10 talents, or 5 talents, jibes with your concept of equal opportunity?

WRT #59 &quot;&lt;em&gt;Salvation was first to the Jews, so you tell me.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Did they teach you in Divinity school that God choose Abraham because he was a Jew?  Explain then how Rahab and other Gentiles in B.C. were accepted into eternal salvation.

Sometimes I wonder about your theology and if you shouldn&#039;t ask for a refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell, </p>
<p>WRT #54, please explain how the parable of the 10 talents, or 5 talents, jibes with your concept of equal opportunity?</p>
<p>WRT #59 &#8220;<em>Salvation was first to the Jews, so you tell me.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Did they teach you in Divinity school that God choose Abraham because he was a Jew?  Explain then how Rahab and other Gentiles in B.C. were accepted into eternal salvation.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder about your theology and if you shouldn&#8217;t ask for a refund.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-54000</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Manning:  Please make you case to the contrary.  Give us you list and lets have a civil debate on the topic.

I still stand on the historical record of the Democrat Party NOT being the friend it so claims to be to Blacks.

I submit that the Party of the Jackass has done an OUTSTANDING long term indoctrination job on our people.  They have by design made us dependent, kept us dependent and trained our minds to think we should be taken care of by a white &quot;big brother.&quot;  A &quot;big brother&quot; who FEARS us becoming educated, self aware and subsequently economically independent and less angry.

Democrats through &quot;black overseers&quot; like Jesse, Al, Tavis Smiley, The Congressional Black Caucus and other self-appointed black &quot;leaders&quot; have kept us fat and happy with enough gubmint subsistence that we don&#039;t step off the plantation and we don&#039;t have the will to believe in the concept of hard work, self-determination and personal responsibility.

Why do you think Black Republicans and Conservatives are so reviled by Democrat party leadership? The reason is simple.  Because they (we)dared to step off the plantation and do for self and actually COMPETE with the massa.

Why do you think blacks in the mythical &quot;black community&quot; hate us so much?  It is because they have not been taught the concept of doing for self and think that because we have gotten LUCKY and &quot;made it&quot; we somehow OWE the rest a handout and a gimme so they can be &quot;down&quot; too.  Totally ignoring what it took for us to get where we are.

The old &quot;crabs in a bucket mentality.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Manning:  Please make you case to the contrary.  Give us you list and lets have a civil debate on the topic.</p>
<p>I still stand on the historical record of the Democrat Party NOT being the friend it so claims to be to Blacks.</p>
<p>I submit that the Party of the Jackass has done an OUTSTANDING long term indoctrination job on our people.  They have by design made us dependent, kept us dependent and trained our minds to think we should be taken care of by a white &#8220;big brother.&#8221;  A &#8220;big brother&#8221; who FEARS us becoming educated, self aware and subsequently economically independent and less angry.</p>
<p>Democrats through &#8220;black overseers&#8221; like Jesse, Al, Tavis Smiley, The Congressional Black Caucus and other self-appointed black &#8220;leaders&#8221; have kept us fat and happy with enough gubmint subsistence that we don&#8217;t step off the plantation and we don&#8217;t have the will to believe in the concept of hard work, self-determination and personal responsibility.</p>
<p>Why do you think Black Republicans and Conservatives are so reviled by Democrat party leadership? The reason is simple.  Because they (we)dared to step off the plantation and do for self and actually COMPETE with the massa.</p>
<p>Why do you think blacks in the mythical &#8220;black community&#8221; hate us so much?  It is because they have not been taught the concept of doing for self and think that because we have gotten LUCKY and &#8220;made it&#8221; we somehow OWE the rest a handout and a gimme so they can be &#8220;down&#8221; too.  Totally ignoring what it took for us to get where we are.</p>
<p>The old &#8220;crabs in a bucket mentality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53999</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:  &quot;...2000 election&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:  &#8220;&#8230;2000 election&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53998</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse Helms:  Being a &quot;major player&quot; is entirely different than a party ACTIVELY supporting, voting for and placing a KU KLUX KLANSMAN (A RECRUITER (Grand Kleagle)in position to be an iconic LEADER of our most sacred legislative body.  Jesse Helms on the otherhand became a de facto leader because the PEOPLE supported him, and believed his conservative views but the GOP was not crazy enough to actually vote for him for a Senate leadership position. 

In the case of Sen. Robert &quot;Sheets&quot; Byrd, the Democrats literally spit in the face of their most loyal voting block by doing this and no one in the House, the Black &quot;leadership&quot; or so-called civil rights orgs said a word in protest.

Black people accepted this slap in the face simply because the Dem-O-Kratz be gibben us stuff and we don&#039;t wont to upset massa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse Helms:  Being a &#8220;major player&#8221; is entirely different than a party ACTIVELY supporting, voting for and placing a KU KLUX KLANSMAN (A RECRUITER (Grand Kleagle)in position to be an iconic LEADER of our most sacred legislative body.  Jesse Helms on the otherhand became a de facto leader because the PEOPLE supported him, and believed his conservative views but the GOP was not crazy enough to actually vote for him for a Senate leadership position. </p>
<p>In the case of Sen. Robert &#8220;Sheets&#8221; Byrd, the Democrats literally spit in the face of their most loyal voting block by doing this and no one in the House, the Black &#8220;leadership&#8221; or so-called civil rights orgs said a word in protest.</p>
<p>Black people accepted this slap in the face simply because the Dem-O-Kratz be gibben us stuff and we don&#8217;t wont to upset massa.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53997</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COWS

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that our government
can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall
where she sleeps in the state of Washington.  And they tracked her calves
to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens
wandering around our country.
Maybe we should give them each a cow.


CONSTITUTION

    They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don&#039;t we
just give them ours?  It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it&#039;s
&gt;worked for over 200 years and we&#039;re not using it anymore.


COMMANDMENTS

     Want to know the real reason that we can&#039;t have the Ten Commandments in
a Courthouse?  You cannot post &quot;Thou Shalt Not Steal,&quot; &quot;Thou Shalt Not
Commit Adultery&quot; and &quot;Thou Shall Not Lie&quot; in a building full of lawyers,
judges and politicians!   It creates a hostile working environment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COWS</p>
<p>Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that our government<br />
can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall<br />
where she sleeps in the state of Washington.  And they tracked her calves<br />
to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens<br />
wandering around our country.<br />
Maybe we should give them each a cow.</p>
<p>CONSTITUTION</p>
<p>    They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don&#8217;t we<br />
just give them ours?  It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it&#8217;s<br />
&gt;worked for over 200 years and we&#8217;re not using it anymore.</p>
<p>COMMANDMENTS</p>
<p>     Want to know the real reason that we can&#8217;t have the Ten Commandments in<br />
a Courthouse?  You cannot post &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Steal,&#8221; &#8220;Thou Shalt Not<br />
Commit Adultery&#8221; and &#8220;Thou Shall Not Lie&#8221; in a building full of lawyers,<br />
judges and politicians!   It creates a hostile working environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Slater</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53996</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doggone it!  Why do I always catch these discussions when they are already well advanced?

I much enjoy Fred Reed, both on his own website and on Lew Rockwell.

James Manning:  Don&#039;t be too sure about the Democrats being on the Black man&#039;s side.  They are dedicated to advancing their Bolshevist program, which, if completed, will bring untold misery to ALL real Americans.  As for the Republicans, they will sell-out any of their supposed principles, and the American Middle class, for either political advantage or to make a fast buck for themselves or their well-heeled friends.  The higher one goes in the Republican power structure the more one will find a lack of true patriotism.

It is true that there is hardly a dime&#039;s worth of difference between the two, but I still am more inclined towards the Republicans, at least at the lower levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doggone it!  Why do I always catch these discussions when they are already well advanced?</p>
<p>I much enjoy Fred Reed, both on his own website and on Lew Rockwell.</p>
<p>James Manning:  Don&#8217;t be too sure about the Democrats being on the Black man&#8217;s side.  They are dedicated to advancing their Bolshevist program, which, if completed, will bring untold misery to ALL real Americans.  As for the Republicans, they will sell-out any of their supposed principles, and the American Middle class, for either political advantage or to make a fast buck for themselves or their well-heeled friends.  The higher one goes in the Republican power structure the more one will find a lack of true patriotism.</p>
<p>It is true that there is hardly a dime&#8217;s worth of difference between the two, but I still am more inclined towards the Republicans, at least at the lower levels.</p>
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		<title>By: SickAndTired</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53995</link>
		<dc:creator>SickAndTired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, Walter Williams has an op-ed in today&#039;s Washington Times entitled &lt;strong&gt;Victimhood:Rhetoric or Reality?&lt;/strong&gt;.  His opinions along with that of Thomas Sowell&#039;s always shed light.  The link is:

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050704-113819-8193r

Requires registration, but it&#039;s free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, Walter Williams has an op-ed in today&#8217;s Washington Times entitled <strong>Victimhood:Rhetoric or Reality?</strong>.  His opinions along with that of Thomas Sowell&#8217;s always shed light.  The link is:</p>
<p><a href="http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050704-113819-8193r" rel="nofollow">http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050704-113819-8193r</a></p>
<p>Requires registration, but it&#8217;s free.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53991</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, 

Because he wrote, &quot;The problem with Black people is that we worry too much about being â€œblackâ€ and â€œkeepinâ€™ it realâ€ rather than just trying to be good AMERICANS!&quot;

I am consistently against people being racist. You might say that about me. I think Raymond does a disservice and I think he is a liberal plant. 

I don&#039;t have a problem with is list. It&#039;s his opening paragraph that reeks. Don&#039;t tell me you would&#039;ve/could&#039;ve written that Dan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, </p>
<p>Because he wrote, &#8220;The problem with Black people is that we worry too much about being â€œblackâ€ and â€œkeepinâ€™ it realâ€ rather than just trying to be good AMERICANS!&#8221;</p>
<p>I am consistently against people being racist. You might say that about me. I think Raymond does a disservice and I think he is a liberal plant. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with is list. It&#8217;s his opening paragraph that reeks. Don&#8217;t tell me you would&#8217;ve/could&#8217;ve written that Dan?</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53990</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;rather than just trying to be good AMERICANS!&lt;/em&gt;

1. Blacks have been a part of every war this country has been in.

2. Blacks join the service in proportions that are higher than the general population.

3. Even accounting for the few number of spies this country has found since the 70s, Black spies are lower than their representation with access to secret material. So far, that I know of, two: one a lust filled marine, the other a lonely woman suckered by a spy.

Your rhetoric is racial fire bombs that falls under the weight of inspection.

&lt;em&gt;Tell me how a man WHO STARTED A KKK GROUP can still be in the Senate? And be a GREAT man of the party?&lt;/em&gt;

The same way Jesse Helms, who came to fame with television editorials against desegregation laws, was a major player in the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>rather than just trying to be good AMERICANS!</em></p>
<p>1. Blacks have been a part of every war this country has been in.</p>
<p>2. Blacks join the service in proportions that are higher than the general population.</p>
<p>3. Even accounting for the few number of spies this country has found since the 70s, Black spies are lower than their representation with access to secret material. So far, that I know of, two: one a lust filled marine, the other a lonely woman suckered by a spy.</p>
<p>Your rhetoric is racial fire bombs that falls under the weight of inspection.</p>
<p><em>Tell me how a man WHO STARTED A KKK GROUP can still be in the Senate? And be a GREAT man of the party?</em></p>
<p>The same way Jesse Helms, who came to fame with television editorials against desegregation laws, was a major player in the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53988</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James manning - &quot;And I can certainly list numerous people that claim the Republican Party that most Republicans you would not want associated with you.&quot;

Yes you could but they wouldn&#039;t be major players, or people approved of by the PARTY!

Tell me how a man WHO STARTED A KKK GROUP can still be in the Senate? And be a GREAT man of the party?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James manning &#8211; &#8220;And I can certainly list numerous people that claim the Republican Party that most Republicans you would not want associated with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes you could but they wouldn&#8217;t be major players, or people approved of by the PARTY!</p>
<p>Tell me how a man WHO STARTED A KKK GROUP can still be in the Senate? And be a GREAT man of the party?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53987</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava, why would you want to strike Raymond&#039;s comments?

Did he write anything that wasn&#039;t true?

Biased maybe with a definite POV. But false?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava, why would you want to strike Raymond&#8217;s comments?</p>
<p>Did he write anything that wasn&#8217;t true?</p>
<p>Biased maybe with a definite POV. But false?</p>
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		<title>By: James Manning</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/05/fred/comment-page-2/#comment-53986</link>
		<dc:creator>James Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply #70

There were several things that I read that just turned my stomach. You can call him what you will but I&#039;m not feeling him or his take on black people. 

Reply #68

Raymond, your statement is tired at best because I could come up with a list of things Repbulicans have done that were not in the interest of black people. And I can certainly list numerous people that claim the Republican Party that most Republicans you would not want associated with you.  

In the end, I think the Democratic Party has worked in the interest of black people (for the most part). There are a lot of black people that simply don&#039;t buy the policies offered by the Republican Party. I for one am open to ideas but so far all you&#039;ve ever offered is to call me, and other black people that hold my political beliefs, victoms of a welfare state. That doesn&#039;t carry and weight with me.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply #70</p>
<p>There were several things that I read that just turned my stomach. You can call him what you will but I&#8217;m not feeling him or his take on black people. </p>
<p>Reply #68</p>
<p>Raymond, your statement is tired at best because I could come up with a list of things Repbulicans have done that were not in the interest of black people. And I can certainly list numerous people that claim the Republican Party that most Republicans you would not want associated with you.  </p>
<p>In the end, I think the Democratic Party has worked in the interest of black people (for the most part). There are a lot of black people that simply don&#8217;t buy the policies offered by the Republican Party. I for one am open to ideas but so far all you&#8217;ve ever offered is to call me, and other black people that hold my political beliefs, victoms of a welfare state. That doesn&#8217;t carry and weight with me.</p>
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