Update (8:51 a.m.): I just heard Soledad O’Brien on CNN say Al Qaeda is taking the credit, blaming the attack on the “occupation” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dirty cowards.
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While we were sleeping, several bombs exploded in London. The subway was one of the targets.
I check my e-mail before I check the headlines, and I found out about the attack from British blogger Adrian Warnock:
Turn on your radio or TV- there have been at least six bombs today in london. You will be glad to know that I and my family are all well, although my brother narrowly missed one of the explosions.
American blogger Phillip Johnson, who met Adrian in London, is blogging the latest developments.
I just heard a report about D.C. law enforcement checking the subway system. The city will probably be on high alert today. (New York and D.C. respond)
Terrorism blogger Athena has returned from hiatus to blog about the attack. Michelle Malkin and Lorie Byrd are updating.
Tony Blair: It is important that those who engage in terrorism realize that our determination to defend our values and our way of life is greater than their determination to cause death and destruction and impose extremism on the world. They will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear.
Bloggers: UKBlogs Aggregator, Tim Worstall (in London?), TigerHawk, Tony Rickey in London, Matthew Sheffield, BBC Reporters’ Log Double Toothpicks Arthur Chrenkoff, The Moderate Voice, Captain Ed…
Other Sources: FOX, Sky News, BBC, CNN, Associated Press, European Markets Sink, London blasts fit al Qaeda-type pattern…
Be sure to check the Counterterrorism blog.
Update II (9:39 a.m.): The cowards in dirty nightshirts say they’ve killed Egypt’s Iraq envoy, whom they kidnapped a few days ago.
Update III (11:51 a.m.): More attacks planned?
Wizbang: “If fighting extreme Islamic terrorism were a short-term proposition Galloway’s opinion on the matter would probably be the correct one. The problem is that we cannot afford to play the short game with these monsters. They have decided that the freedom-loving cultures of the west represent all that is wrong with the world. They have decided that they hate us and that they’d like to either convert us to their way of viewing the world or kill us.”
Remember this? Another terrorist attack could occur in the U.S. at any time.
The Political Teen has video.
Update IV (3:16 p.m.): The Wall Street Journal has a story on bloggers covering the aftermath.
Polipundit asks: “If the people who perpetrated today’s bombings are caught, what would the great defenders of ‘civil rights,’ such Senator Dick Durbin (D-Gitmo), recommend that we do with them? In Durbin’s eyes, detaining them at Guantanamo Bay would clearly be out of the question…”
Brian at Iowa Voice posted comments from the DNC site.
Update V (5:45 p.m.): Two undetonated bombs found.
Blogger Fausta translated this article for me:
Hi LaShawn,
Here’s the translation of the article that linked to your site:Blogs, the choice for information
The English TV networks chose to not show pictures of the dead and wounded and the photoblogs came to the fore.
When the BBC announced a short time ago that direct broadcasts on hard-hitting events might be delayed in order for the editors to be able to omit images that might shock the audience, the possibility of an attack existed.
Today, when the attack took place in the English capital, it became clear that the British networks weren’t interested in showing images of the wounded or the dead, or of a population in panic.
Both the BBC and Skynews preferred to show the work of emergency and security crews. During the first hours of broadcast the commentators told of the chaos in London, with its paralyzed (public) transport, people thrown on the floor, smoke everywhere.
However, all that was shown on TV were closed streets and subway stations, and rubbernecking passerby.
Yeah, I was just reading a post on Phil Johnson’s blog (he is visiting London and had a picture of him and Adrian…who just finally met).
http://phillipjohnson.blogspot.com/2005/07/london-journal151day-seven.html
Praying that Phil and his wife are safe.
Comment by Renee — 07.07.05 @ 7:30 am
Now maybe the Brits who oppose Tony Blair’s action in Iraq will take Blair’s efforts seriously.
No doubt that Paris will also be a target following the next election - when France will no longer have a pro-Saddam President.
Comment by Frank Zavisca — 07.07.05 @ 7:47 am
Renee - I asked Adrian if Phil Johnson was OK. He writes:
I do not know for sure, but am fairly confident. I met him at Waterloo Station at 7-15 am and we parted at 8-30am. He was heading for the Met Tab at Elephant and Castle.
Comment by La Shawn — 07.07.05 @ 7:58 am
Phil just posted…
thank God
Comment by Renee — 07.07.05 @ 8:01 am
Thanks La Shawn for asking Adrian…
I can’t comment on his blog from where I am
Comment by Renee — 07.07.05 @ 8:02 am
Terror in London
I pray for the British people, for the families of the victims, and for the resolve to fight and defeat the scourge of terror that murders innocents in the name of “God.”
…Other Sources: La Shawn Barber
Trackback by DOUBLE TOOTHPICKS — 07.07.05 @ 8:18 am
Are We Determined Enough?
Tony Blair frames it perfectly
Trackback by The View From The Nest — 07.07.05 @ 8:43 am
More blog coverage of London Bombings
La Shawn Barber, RW Conspiracy, GOP Bloggers, Broken Masterpieces, Cao’s Blog, In the Bullpen, Captain’s Quarters Updates: WizBang, Michelle Malkin…
Trackback by Danny Carlton (aka Jack Lewis) — 07.07.05 @ 8:49 am
Frank,
I fear that Blair’s opposistion will just increase their vitriol after this. Like the core of the anti-Bush crowd, there are those who would disagree with Blair about the time of day, simply because he is Blair.
However, I think the British are made of tougher stuff than some other nations, and the fence sitters will more likely land with the Tony Blairs rather than the Gorgeous Goerges.
I wonder what this will mean for the very vocal muslim community in Brittain?
And I pray for everyone in London right now.
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 07.07.05 @ 8:49 am
London Subway Rocked by Terrorists’ Blasts Killing Two
A series of seemingly coordinated blasts hit London subways today injuring 90, killing at least two — and done with an MO similar to the March 11, 2004 mass-casualty train bombings …
Trackback by The Moderate Voice — 07.07.05 @ 8:51 am
London Attacks And The G-8 Summit
Approximately 7 bombs exploded during rush hour in London this morning. Watching the coverage brings back memories of 9/11. One has to think that these attacks are in protest of the G-8 Summit. One point I find interesting is what…
Trackback by The Narrow — 07.07.05 @ 9:13 am
London Bombings
The crack heads have struck London. I’m not surprised. I’m not appalled. I’m not devastated. This just feels like business as usual. Life will go on in spite of things like this.
Trackback by Uncle Sam's Cabin — 07.07.05 @ 9:31 am
May the families of those who died find eternal comfort in God’s love. May those injured find healing in God’s care. May world leaders in Britain and elsewhere look to God for wisdom, strength and courage to do the right thing. May we all realize that we are in a war with evil people who enjoy killing civilians. May we all know that this is the time to commit our lives to Christ if we have not already done so and to live in the awareness that our lives here may end at any time but our eternal destiny need not be uncertain. God bless and keep President Bush.
Comment by Evon Bachaus — 07.07.05 @ 9:31 am
Terrorists Hit London Transportation System
A series of terrorist attacks hit the public transportation system in London during the morning rush hour.
Multiple explosions rock London (CNN)
Near simultaneous explosions rocked the London Underground network and at least one bus at the morning…
Trackback by Outside The Beltway — 07.07.05 @ 9:40 am
Amen (in agreement and support to Evon’s prayer).
Comment by Renee — 07.07.05 @ 9:47 am
God’s grace and blessings to the Brits..They withstood bombings by Nazi Germany and I am sure they have the resolve and courage to overcome this act of cowardice.
Headed over the counterterrorism blog..I need to educate myself this morning.
Comment by Tiffany In Mpls — 07.07.05 @ 9:49 am
Is it time to take the gloves off yet?
Comment by pajamazon — 07.07.05 @ 9:50 am
GUT CHECK! Who ya wit?
Since President Bush has declared this a War on Terror
and the cultists of islam have called
it a Jihad, I see no reason why we should not form a
unit specifically designed to start systematically
taking out the leadership of these fools completely.
Since they are so intent on going to to Hell and
having their way with 72 virgin boys then why would we
not continue to oblige them?
We can begin by forming Special Operations Units. Call
them “Crusader Battalions.” Their only mission is to
assasinate (as the Israelis do) any and all muslim
leaders who speak ANY ill will towards the west or
even HINT at any support for terrorist activities.
Systematically kill them all until they stop the
madness!
The second step is to send in these Crusader
Battalions to rig Mecca and Median with explosives and
or arm our aircraft with bombs with the expressed
mission of tying any future terrorist attacks on
Western soil to the complete and total destruction of
islam’s (muslim and islam are not worthy of
capitalization) “holiest” and most revered sites.
Time for these sand-sucking losers to get a taste of
what REAL WAR IS LIKE!
Oh, I forgot…..we have a President with no spine.
Never mind.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 9:51 am
London terrorist bombing updates
4 bombs (some earlier reports said 7) exploded in London during today’s morning rush hour. Current reports indicate that 3 exploded in the Underground and 1 on a double decker bus. I will attempt to round up the blogosphere’s news…
Trackback by Jeff Quinton - Backcountry Conservative — 07.07.05 @ 10:17 am
Friends, it is just another sad day in our new life, dictated by the ‘Rules’ set forth for the ‘Followers’ of MO & ISLAM. The Rule Book to re-install ‘Global Caliph’ is the Koran. When the MSM and our government finally steps forward and publically announances the ‘proper name’ of our enemy (Koran/Islamofascism), then we can begin the hard contest of Western survival. Found within our neighborhoods the enemy lives, their temples of doom (mosques) are their nests. It’s time to wake up and smell the roses rather than end up pushing up daisy’s.
Thank you for allowing me to speak in your home.
Bear
Comment by Bear — 07.07.05 @ 10:21 am
We’re all Brits today (h/t Captains Quarters). I wonder if the MSM/DNC feels that way.
Fortunately the bombings appear to be big on pyrotechnics and short on lethality. I shudder to think if riccin or other bio/chems were involved.
Whatever the Brits may have felt about Gitmo, I think it has hardened against the detainees. Now they need that stiff upper lip even more and start cracking heads to blot out the rot festering in mosques across their isles.
Would it be too much to hope that this has taken some of the wind out of the MSM/DNC’s efforts to undermine Bush and the GWOT?
Somehow, I think Michael Moore & friends will take to the air to declare that England brought this tragedy upon themselves.
Comment by Andy — 07.07.05 @ 10:25 am
Raymond
I like what you said except for the knock at the Pres.
Until we’re ready to play on their level this will go on forever. Yes.. ERASE MECCA AND MEDINA FROM THE EARTH! Erase Islam! Any questions?
Comment by pajamazon — 07.07.05 @ 10:31 am
I suspect it going to take the toppling of the Eiffel Tower before Europe outside of Britian gives anything more than lip service to the war effort. We already know Spain is a country of cowards. France is the same. Germany does what France says so don’t expect more than what we already getting from the British.
The best we can hope for is that citizens in Britain and in the US form “Mosque Watch” units similar to the Minutemen and keep and eye on these murderers, their dens of hate and the leaders who incite this type of buffoonery.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 10:32 am
Pajamazon, Don’t get me wrong, I like our President, but you must admit that he has not shown any real leadership lately in the War on Terror and he certainly has not let loose the dogs on these fools.
He is letting people just run across the border and I bet you money he lets the Chi-Coms buy that oil company.
Bush should be BREATHING FIRE RIGHT NOW!
I’d give my right arm to be his speech writer right now.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 10:34 am
“Somehow, I think Michael Moore & friends will take to the air to declare that England brought this tragedy upon themselves.”
The same thought crossed my mind Andy. I hope we are both wrong (but previous actions….)
Comment by Renee — 07.07.05 @ 10:43 am
Cowards? That word only applies to human beings. We are dealing with sub-human satanic vermin only fit to serve as fertilizer.
If ever needed, I stand ready and willing (again)to don my country’s uniform to help annihilate this scourge of mankind, one sand demon at a time.
Comment by Dave in AZ — 07.07.05 @ 10:47 am
I’m with ya Dave! I may need a bigger uniform, but I AM WITH YOU!
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 10:54 am
The problem with Bush is that everytime these monkeys make news he should be making BIGGER NEWS!
Within 20 minutes of these cowardly bombings, Al Jazeera should be reporting on the number of Arab cities that are now missing and on how the number of US and Allied warplanes in the air dropping bombs looks like a swarm of mosquitoes blocking out the sun itself.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 10:57 am
LaShawn Barbor has some good links from British bloggers and news sources.
Pingback by Badger Blogger — 07.07.05 @ 10:58 am
London attack drives oil lower?!?!? How?!?!?
Terrorists bomb London! It is rightfully the lead story of the day, and covered at length across the spectrum. Lashawn does a good job rounding everyone up, and I recommend a stop over there.
What I want to address is the “mystery” surrounding the …
Trackback by The Fell Clutch of Circumstance — 07.07.05 @ 11:01 am
Boy, the terrorists are out of their minds. New York and London–There will be hell to pay after this.
Well, that’ll quelch any further rumblings about a troop pull-out. That’s what is so dang blasted confusing to me. It makes no sense, when the US and the UK were talking about pulling out of Iraq, to initiate this attack. Strategically there is little or no capital to be gained–
Unless, finding that their efforts in Iraq are proving futile, either due to a loss of resources and/or manpower, OBL is using this attack to rally the troops and recruit more. That would suggest that the war in Iraq isn’t going their way.
Well, whatever their reasoning, this was certainly a blunder. The brits are born brawlers, and, if memory serves, the only country that made a decent go in that barren plain called the Mid-East.
My prayers to the families; and all the troops, both ours and theirs, who will make sure that somebody pays for this.
Comment by stephen johnson — 07.07.05 @ 11:09 am
I will be keeping an eye on muslims and mosques in my area. I suggest you all do the same.
Be “Mosque Watchers” like the Minutemen watch our borders.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 11:13 am
Terrorist Attacks Rock London - Multiple Blasts Reported
At approx 08:50 on 7.7.05 we were called to Aldgate LT stn to assist the City of London police and BTP regarding an incident on the underground system.
All of the emergency services are on scene.
This has been declared as a major incident.
Trackback by Blogs of War — 07.07.05 @ 11:17 am
London: Is This The Best They Can Do?
Fly the Union Jack with Old Glory today….
Trackback by Sierra Faith — 07.07.05 @ 11:18 am
R
I find myself defending our Pres. a lot. I believe the reason he has shown such moderation is that the American people are still split pretty close down the middle. There is a chance that our enemies-(Islamics, the MSM, Government workers unions to name a few) still might win the propaganda war. If our President had only to concern himself with our battlefield enemies this war would be over already. But because so many groups of cowards, weaklings, snivvelers, and America haters have been given a megaphone by our MSM the President must also deal with their nonsense. It seems they would prefer a civil war to America standing up to these animals.
Comment by pajamazon — 07.07.05 @ 11:19 am
I do not rule out the antiG8 people.
Comment by RepJ — 07.07.05 @ 11:21 am
London Blitz.
I think I’ll save my planned but-now-trivial post of the morning for later. Heh. We are all Brits now, eh? Even, perhaps, some of my Irish-descended colleagues. I’ll be stopping by the PX this noon for a Union Jack to…
Trackback by Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys.. — 07.07.05 @ 11:22 am
Pajamazon, I agree that this may be his approach but true leadership means taking bold steps and winning people to your side BY YOUR ACTIONS when the group is divided.
It has already been proven that President Bush’s job approval numbers go up when the new reports enemy body counts as opposed to our own. That is the main reason the enemy-media in this country no longer tells us how many “insurgents” were killed in any particular operations. They know that Americans want these fools DEAD! If there is evidence of that shown on the news, then it means President Bush earns victory and that is the last thing our enemies in the mainstream media want to see.
President Bush’s rating would go through the roof and America would turn irreversibly red state if Bush would erase an Arab city or two.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 11:25 am
This morning I checked out the Lefty blogs La Shawn list. Only two even mentioned the London bombings. Apparently the cat has got their pen–except that many had blogs on the same ol’, same ol’ Democratic talking points as in “We need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.”
Comment by Evon Bachaus — 07.07.05 @ 11:31 am
In my round-up of the left, I have noticed an unwillingness to blame alqeida (sic & sick); wondering if it was g8 related (leftists) or something else. They don’t get it. I didn’t get it, well I did, just didn’t like it.
Assuming it isn’t Alqeda (dont care how its spelled), somebody has to pay, and since Alkeda has made terrorisim its tactic, and brought it to the wold stage, destroying them would send a fine message to those who consider purveying terror.
Comment by stephen johnson — 07.07.05 @ 11:41 am
Instapundit Michelle Malkin Jeff Jarvis Scared Monkeys La Shawn Barber
Pingback by The Political Teen — 07.07.05 @ 11:55 am
Supporting our friends in London
A series of coordinated bomb blasts have hit central London today, at the height of the morning rush hour. Reports suggest at least 41 people have been killed, and there may be more than 1,000 injured. [Guardian Blog]. Many of…
Trackback by ProLifeBlogs — 07.07.05 @ 12:06 pm
Lunch: 7/7/2005
… For now, let’s talk about what happened in London today.
Somebody set off some bombs. And killed some folks. By the time you read this, perhaps the culprits will be known. Perhaps not. But you know what? It doesn’t matter much. Because bombing…
Trackback by basils blog — 07.07.05 @ 12:11 pm
I think that there are only two things we need to say to the people of Britain:
1. We’re very sorry for your loss. You are in our prayers.
2. Anytime. Anywhere. Anything. We’re with you.
Comment by docjim505 — 07.07.05 @ 12:18 pm
7/7: The London Attack
The blogosphere is on fire, reporting on this morning’s news of a terrorist bombing in London.
AP reports: “Four London Blasts Kill 40, Injure 350″
“Four blasts rocked the London subway and tore open a packed double-decker bus during the mor…
Trackback by California Conservative — 07.07.05 @ 12:23 pm
If we don’t fight them over there we’ll be fighting them over here.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 12:45 pm
Have Democrats blamed us for the attacks yet? Have Kennedy, Boxer, Clinton, Schumer, Waters, Conyers, Rangel, McDermott or Durbin said anything stupid yet in support of their murderous friends?
This is nothing to an island nation who withstood Hitler’s Luftwaffe bombardments during WW2 and it certainly is nothing to one of the greatest global empires to ever exist.
At least this attack knocked the Natalee Holloway overkill to the back pages where the story should have been in the first place.
Although the story stopped being front page news weeks ago (if it ever should have been in the first place), I still pray for resolution for her family.
This in spite of them creeping over to the dark side the way the evil Schindler family did as the media got invloved in the Schiavo case.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 1:09 pm
More London attacks planned for this afternoon?
Michael Graham of WMAL in Washington: An email from a friend in London in the PR business who (I know from personal experience) has some pretty amazing connections: I managed to get into the office before things got bad. I…
Trackback by Jeff Quinton - Backcountry Conservative — 07.07.05 @ 1:13 pm
Some things to ask ourselves:
(1) Remember how Democrats wanted to close Gitmo and turn the terrorists who are held there loose?
(2) Remember efforts to weaken or even eliminate the Patriot Act?
(3) Remember those who called President Bush a greater threat to America than Al Qaeda?
(4) Remember how one Democratic senator lauded bin Laden?
(5) Remember how Michael Moore compared the Al Qaeda terrorists to the American Revolutionary War minutemen? Guess Mr. Moore is gloating today that his heros may have struck again.
(6) Remember how there have been calls for coalition troops to withdraw from Iraq and leave the Iraqi people to the tender mercies of Al Qaeda? What should Tony Blair do now - withdraw Britons from London as well?
Comment by Mwalimu Daudi — 07.07.05 @ 1:19 pm
American brands of terrorism:
Political Terrorists: Democrats
Sexual Terrorists: Gay Rights Movement
Social Terrorists: Feminists, liberals, ACLU, Peta, Gay Rights Movement
Racial Terrorists: Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, PUSH/Raibow Coalition, Nation of Islam
Constitutional Terrorists: the United States Supreme Court’s Left Wing, Democrats
Environmental Terrorists: Greenpeace, ELF
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 1:26 pm
Yes, actus, let’s not fight them here, there or anywhere. Let’s just roll onto our backs, lift our leg and offer our belly to the beast. Perhaps he’ll be merciful and not eviserate us too badly. And if he does we’ll deserve it.
Comment by nobody important — 07.07.05 @ 1:48 pm
Raymond,
You asked in comment #47 if the Democrats have blamed us yet. Well, go check out today’s post about this on Daily Kos. More importantly, read the comments section. You will begin to wonder who the REAL enemies of this country are, Islamic terrorists or left wing Americans. IF you can stand to read through all the comments, you will be stunned at what is being said, and begin to have some serious reservations about where exactly your “special unit” should start its work.
Comment by Montie — 07.07.05 @ 1:50 pm
Mwalimu Daudi,
All those things you ask us to remember are coursing about the left wing blogs right now as we type, and yes, if the American left were to have its way (which corresponds suprisingly inline with what Islamofascist terrorists want), the US, Britain, and all other Western powers would not only pull out of Iraq, but every other country in the region, and leave them to their own devices.
Comment by Montie — 07.07.05 @ 1:56 pm
Raymond:
You are so drama filled.
Comment by Tiffany In Mpls — 07.07.05 @ 1:57 pm
Montie, Thanks, but I am not surprised and have known for a long time that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was right 1000x over. The communist takeover of America attempt is in full bloom. I know the Democrats are nothing more than Soviet deep plants and are clearly the enemy. Because of our laws, there are certain things I can say about them and certain things I cannot, but I can assure you that I KNOW who they are and friends of this nation they are not!
I trust muslims more than I trust Democrats. At least muslims tell you straight up they want you dead and they are usually easy to physically identify.
Nothing is more dangerous than your enemyhaving infiltrated your most sacred inner sanctums and oerational facilities. If Democrats were termites, we’d need to tent the country.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 1:59 pm
What the Left wants is the abandonment of Israel to the wolves and a weakened and chastened America. with the demise of the USSR they are looking for a power block that can take on the West. They have no idea (or they don’t care) that they are riding on the back of a tiger, one that will eventually devaour them as well.
Comment by nobody important — 07.07.05 @ 1:59 pm
#46 actus, way to show that even at times like this, you have no class.
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 07.07.05 @ 2:02 pm
Actus,
Actually we aren’t really doing much fighting of the type that it takes to accomplish our goals over there. For the most part we have gone over to a defensive posture, and only take action on a very limited and small scale.
One cannot win any war by staying on the defense, wars are won by offensive action. That has been proven throughout recorded history. Unfortunately we do not have the stomach for doing what it will take to wipe out our enemies, the problem is that they DO have the stomach for it.
Comment by Montie — 07.07.05 @ 2:05 pm
Montie, AMEN…AMEN…AMEN and let the chuch say….AMEN!!!
I have long supported appointing Coach Steve Spurrier as the Commander of US forces over there. At least he knows how to demoralize an enemy. He accomplishes this early by scoring often, never letting them in the game, ignores the whining of their people and commanders (coaches) and making the outcome clear before the enemy can even mount its first offensive threat.
Comment by Raymond — 07.07.05 @ 2:17 pm
More coverage at Michelle Malkin, Chocolate and Vodka, Wizbang, La Shawn Barber, and Jeff Quinton, who so far has the best coverage. We’ll try to st […]
Pingback by euphoricreality.net » Terrorist Attacks in London — 07.07.05 @ 3:05 pm
“Yes, actus, let’s not fight them here, there or anywhere. ”
I’m sorry but this sounds like a really bad idea. I don’t want to surrender to or be ruled by theocrats bent on curtailing my rights and damning me with their religious laws and punishments.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 3:23 pm
We Are All Britons Today
We are all Britons today. We all stand with you.
As Captain Ed put it:
“On July 7, 2005, let it be know…”
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004896.php
Trackback by Agent Tim Online — 07.07.05 @ 3:41 pm
London Bombing Blog Round-Up
Those commenting on the London bombings:
Ace Of Spades (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.)
Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler
bRight & Early (here, here, and here.)
Hawkeye Republican (here and here)
Indepundit
Captain’s …
Trackback by Iowa Voice — 07.07.05 @ 3:51 pm
“In Durbin’s eyes, detaining them at Guantanamo Bay would clearly be out of the question”
Durbin thinks doing certain things to them would be Nazi-like. But are those things necessary for detention ?
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 3:56 pm
Um, actus? That was sarcasm.
Comment by nobody important — 07.07.05 @ 4:20 pm
Why can’t the war on terror be prosecuted like the war on racism? Why doesn’t the left in this country consider Islamic fanatics, their prejudices and their terror acts based on those prejudices at least half as bad as the American racist oppressors it relentlessly and successfully rooted out form every corner of this country.
By most accounts, racism in the western world has been at least “contained”. But more importantly, something that was a fixture in western civilization only a few decades ago has now become so unfashionable that noone who embraces western cultural or racial pride can ever hope to be taken seriously and becomes an instant outcast in the eyes of the entire civilized world.
Why shouldn’t Muslims as a whole suffer the same fate as whites all over the world? Why shouldn’t they be taught to feel massive guilt even though they may not be directly connected with any terrorist activity? Perhaps they merely stood by and let their neighbor build a bomb or slur an infeidel? Why can’t Muslims be instructed (like whites) that their culture contains the seeds of hate and distruction, thus ALL must be closely monitored and policed to ensure the saftey of the free peoples of the world?
I won’t compare the impact of racism, slavery and colonialism to today’s Islamic war on the rest of the world. But I will compare racism, slavery and colonialism to one possible near future of the world. One in which Islamic fanatics eliminate a few major cities and break the will of the west. And then import and impose their own brand of racism, colonialism and slavery.
Why won’t the Left use its heavy weaponry and seasoned troops to diffuse this global time bomb? I mean come on! They are so damn good at the guilt shakedown…if they really want to save lives - the Left should play the “you’re an oppressive evil culture” card now!!! If we could get one tenth of the world Left’s muscle that was leveraged against white South Africa, all the Middle East’s terrorists would be pacified by their own governments in no time flat!
But, of course, they won’t… Because the left in this country is barreling headlong towards multicultural socialism and completely unable or unwilling to shift gears or even tap on the brakes a bit while going through this Islamofacist intersection.
Comment by Evan — 07.07.05 @ 4:33 pm
The reason that the Left won’t take on Islamic facsism is that they are using it as a proxy army to defeat the capitalist West.
Comment by nobody important — 07.07.05 @ 4:40 pm
Thank you Evon, #13
Comment by Stephanie — 07.07.05 @ 4:42 pm
“Um, actus? That was sarcasm.”
Irrelevant sarcasm too.
“If we could get one tenth of the world Left’s muscle that was leveraged against white South Africa, all the Middle East’s terrorists would be pacified by their own governments in no time flat!”
Id say there’s plenty of the left calling out islam as oppressive to women and other bad things. Part of the problem is that the south africans were at least the type who would listen (aslo, it helped that there was an embargo, we’re not going to embargo saudi arabia) While I don’t think islamic fanatics are the same way.
You often do hear leftists talking about the need to shift away from oil tough. That could be seen as the sort of collective punishment you’re talking about.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 4:58 pm
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Pingback by The Black Informant — 07.07.05 @ 6:22 pm
Allright actup, what was done at gitmo that shouldn’t have? Lay it out for us, point by point, fact by fact, or sit down and shut up. Enlighten us, oh great dissembler, how the folks at gitmo are nazi like. And if you pull the “I don’t think that, durbin does” routine, explain to us what you think, and why you think it nesc. to bring this into the argument. You can answer it here, or over in your special thread over at my blog.
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 07.07.05 @ 7:04 pm
Here’s a comment I just posted to Dan Darling over at Winds of Change.
*****
We must kick the enemy’s butt and right now! We must stay focused, our heads in the game, and keep our eye on the ball.
We must ignore the shots of the detractors from the bleachers.
We must win this war.
See my two cents worth in this thread over at Roger L. Simon’s:
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/07/london.php#c57939
Comment by Ron Wright — 07.07.05 @ 7:06 pm
Even after this, we find posters rallying to support the war effort in Iraq. The problem is, as Londoners found out unfortunately today, that they are no more safer than they were before the Iraq War began.
Put down the GOP pom-poms for a second and ask yourself if you think our borders are secure. How many containers get checked in our ports? What extra measures have been enacted to protect our chemical and nuclear facillities?
http://www.thecobraslair.com/images/CORZINE-SECURITY-ACT.gif
How secure are we when restricted DC airspace is penetrated so often it’s almost routine, and drunken teenagers can steal private planes from smaller airports for joyrides?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/investigators/wabc_062205_investigators_smallairportsecurity.html
Bombing the rubble in Iraq to create more widespread, and diversified piles of rubble won’t prevent terrorist attacks in the West. I think that should be sufficiently clear today.
–Cobra
Comment by Cobra — 07.07.05 @ 7:31 pm
La Shawn Barber Has a decent round up of other blogs covering this LGF Has six or seven good follow up posts on today’s events.
Pingback by May God save England — 07.07.05 @ 7:40 pm
…these criminals, or will they go the route of Spain, which was to turn tail and flee? La Shawn Barber and Michelle Malkin have lots of more info and links to many…
Pingback by Redeem America — 07.07.05 @ 7:58 pm
“Allright actup, what was done at gitmo that shouldn’t have?”
According to me or according to Durbin? I think he was clear in spelling out what he didn’t like. That was his speech right? that got people riled up? he read some specific descriptions of things and said they made him think of nazis.
I don’t like the holding of people without oversight. I also don’t like the holding of people by mistake, and the common insistence of our leaders that the people who are there are all bad guys, when we know they arent.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 8:36 pm
Any takers on a bet that one or more ex-detainees are involved?
If any ex-detainees are implicted, any qualms about Gitmo, or for that matter death by hanging/firing squad at dawn for any un-uniformed combatants ever caught weilding arms against us?
Comment by Andy — 07.07.05 @ 8:42 pm
Cobra, just go away with your stupid doodling posing as art.
That kids can joyride an airplane is part & parcel of a free & open society. Your so-called anyi-GOP talking points are burdens to be borne by both parties. That the moonbats prefer to rant & rave and act like spoiled rotten anarchists is your (MSM/DNC) problem and soon to be solved once and for all by the rest of us.
The issue is that islamocrats think they can use our openess against us to drive us down in submission to their evil.
You for one would be one of the first victims in their new & improved caliphate. For now, you’re just an useful idiot and FOOL.
Comment by Andy — 07.07.05 @ 8:50 pm
Actup: “… me … Durbin … clear … like … speech … riled … specific … nazis … I don’t like … holding … oversight. I … like holding … mistake … insistence … leaders … are all bad guys … know … arent. ”
You clearly have comprehension problems that can’t be blamed on English as a Second Language.
Comment by Andy — 07.07.05 @ 9:03 pm
Cobra ridiculously wrote, “The problem is, as Londoners found out unfortunately today, that they are no more safer than they were before the Iraq War began.”
That’s like saying…. The problem is we are not safer today now that we joined in the war on Germany and Japan (back in 1943). I’m sorry. I’m not in the mood to be nice. That’s STUPID Cobra. Why would you say something that stupid?
Comment by Baklava — 07.07.05 @ 9:11 pm
“You clearly have comprehension problems that can’t be blamed on English as a Second Language.”
He asked me what shouldn’t have been done, when I was talking about durbin. I didn’t know if he meant according to me or durbin. So I covered my bases and said what I think shouldn’t have been done, and told him where to find out durbin’s beef with gitmo.
You think this is due to comprehension problems? Its quite responsive.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 9:16 pm
SCSI: “why you think it nesc. to bring this into the argument. ”
Its necessary to be clear what durbin is talking about. He’s talking about specific practices. I think we can still have detentions in guantanamo without those specific practices. This is relevant to a challenge of the assertion that Durbin believes we shouldn’t detain people.
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 9:19 pm
…but some are already in “Blame the unilateralist Bush” mode. (Hat tip: La Shawn.) Question: what are the fascists doing targeting Britain if this is about arrogant…
Pingback by Short Attention Span — 07.07.05 @ 9:23 pm
Actup wrote, “He’s talking about specific practices.”
Taken as gospel by you as having happened. Who is this FBI agent? What’s his name? Is he a liberal against Gitmo in the first place?
How about the specific practices that were talked about by Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18572
Address that for a change instead of obsessing (like Darkstar does about an SS) about the treatment “against” the detainees.
Actus wrote, “I think we can still have detentions in guantanamo without those specific practices.”
We probably do. That’s the point. If there was someone in our military misbehaving they are investigated and brought up on charges.
Comment by Baklava — 07.07.05 @ 9:37 pm
“Taken as gospel by you as having happened. ”
We don’t have to believe tha they happened, or that the FBI was telling the truth when it described them, in order to evaluate what Durbin thinks should happen. We just need to know what Durbin believes, not what is actually true.
“Who is this FBI agent? What’s his name?”
The actual e-mail has been released. His name was redacted because FOIA regulations prohibit releasing privacy sensitive information.
The email wasn’t to Durbin. It was to a superior (actually I tihnk we DO know that guy’s name). I don’t have a hard time thinking that an FBI agent would tell the truth to a superior on this matter. And I don’t know how many FBI agents are “liberals against gitmo in the first place.”
Comment by actus — 07.07.05 @ 9:54 pm
Actus wrote, “The actual e-mail has been released. His name was redacted because FOIA regulations prohibit releasing privacy sensitive information.”
That’s my point Actus. I saw it and I saw the redactions and my immediate thought is that you can’t verify anything that was written. But you go on with the hate America believe the bad things mentality and believed the memo. Good for you. It aint flying here.
Comment by Baklava — 07.07.05 @ 9:59 pm
73, Cobra
Safer than if Al Gore, John Kerry or the other leading dems were running the show.
I wonder how many leftist and assorted cowards blamed Churchill’s hard line against Hitler for the air raids on London?
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 07.07.05 @ 10:21 pm
London Bombed - Multiple Coordinated Attacks Leave Dozens Dead, Scores Injured
The good people of England suffered a horrific attack on the mass transit system in their largest metropolis this morning during the height of rush hour. Just who is responsible is not yet known for certain, but the attacks have the foul stench of al-Q…
Trackback by The Right Place — 07.07.05 @ 10:25 pm
The London Bombings
So much has already been said regarding the bombings in London that I scarce believe I could lend more wisdom or insight to what has already been written, but there a few thoughts that I want to get down today.
Suffice it to say that today we are r…
Trackback by ChristWeb — 07.07.05 @ 10:26 pm
Actus, SCSI & Bak pretty much covered my point. You bring in Durbin as if he spoke God’s truth when the factual trends run counter to his misleading spin.
The simple fact is that there WAS/IS oversight from the get-go at Gitmo. Isolated incidents do not a trend make. Ultimately your position is that Gitmo must go and today’s calamity just made a FOOL out of your position.
This is where you comprehension of both cause and effect and the written word is totally out of whack. Do us a favor and shut up already with the nuanced jibber-jabber.
Comment by Andy — 07.08.05 @ 12:54 am
We must stand together
As I woke up Thursday morning and turned the TV on to Fox News, I got a sickening feeling from the images I saw. It was predicted and expected that Britain would be next on Al Qaeda’s hit list - the only question was when. Thursday, unfortunately, was…
Trackback by Sister Toldjah — 07.08.05 @ 12:56 am
These bombs were left by local boys with local fish to fry.
I have just come over from LGF. A few people there have pointed out that Abu Hamza’s trial was about to start. It has now been deferred. I think these ‘dopes are home grown. You’ll find them by turning over Finchley, Earls Court and other Arab-infested areas. That letter on the website is a total red herring. It’s a crude attempt to attribute these crimes to a group that never existed.
The Yankee Confederate has pointed out that for a mass-bombing campaign,it has been remarkably ineffective. This is only going to make us mad. I left a comment there.
It’s time to turn over some rocks, then expose and humiliate the rabble-rousing mullahs who parasitise our society.
Comment by DWMF — 07.08.05 @ 6:22 am
Dear all,
Perhaps this has been said already, but if so, it bears repeating anyway:
Blaming the London bombing on Britain’s participation in the Iraq war misses the point.
It may well be true that anger at Britain’s alliance with the US in Iraq was one of the psychological motivations behind the attack.
BUT: even if the bombers wanted to make a political statement to the effect that Britain should get out of Iraq; even if we agree that Britain (and everyone else) should get out of Irak—the fact remains that the bombers have (to say the least) put themselves beyond the pale of reasonable political debate about the Irak war.
Which means that their “vote” doesn’t count. At all. What they did, in other words, was not a political statement that could ever have equal political significance with, say, debate among the citizens of Britain about whether to go into Irak or not.
True, one could argue, as some have done in this thread, that this newest outrage is a proof that the Iraq war hasn’t made us safer. That may be true. But it is also at least as true that people who are willing to blow up innocent civilians—and the strategy existed long before Iraq—don’t have to wait for excuses. There is always one handy.
In other words: whatever the merits of the Irak venture; whatever causal role it may have played in Madrid and London—the fact remains that Islamist terrorism is not simply a response to injustices, real and/or imagined on our side (Lord knows there are plenty of those, but is also an irrational ideology that blesses the mass killing of innocent civilians.
We can’t afford to forget that for a second.
Adrian
Comment by adrian walker — 07.08.05 @ 6:27 am
“That’s my point Actus. I saw it and I saw the redactions and my immediate thought is that you can’t verify anything that was written”
well, you can verify that it was an FBI agent writing to his superior right? not one writing to the media. I tihnk these guys write accurately to their superiors. what other motivation could he have had in that situation? he’d want to lie to a superior? thinking that one day, this might get FOIA’d and make the media?
“You bring in Durbin as if he spoke God’s truth when the factual trends run counter to his misleading spin.”
I didn’t bring in durbin. Someone else asked what Durbin would think of detaining these people. I replied that he would probably think that we shouldn’t do to them what was in those FBI documents. Now, That’s just what he thinks. whether you think that’s true or not is different.
Comment by actus — 07.08.05 @ 8:34 am
Actus, you’re misconstruing what others have said in order to present what Durbin thinks as if it was equivalent.
Our point is that Durbin is a delusional hack that happens to hold the # 2 position. We’re not concerned with how & why he thinks, just the fact that what he thinks is moonbattery.
As for internal memos, stuff happens all the time. Just as FBI agents wrote in prior to 9/11 requesting action on several suspects and were ignored or told to stand down because what they were saying was unacceptable as it would rock the boat. Why would it be any different when an agent writes from Gitmo seeking to rock the boat.
Why would it be any different when some Generals disagree? This is all part of the process and proves that Generals are independent thinkers. There has been disagreements with Rumsfeld, there has been disagreements with Cohen. In fact, there has always been Generals disagreeing with every SecDef and CINC back to day one. The only thing that remains constant is once a decision is made, one either fall in or get out. Why would it be any different in State Dept or with any other agency?
This is akin to a situation a while back where I wrote an internal memo concerning deficient QA/QC issues. I said the things were seriously wrong, others said that I was chicken little. When the decision was made to discount my concerns, I resigned — it’s that simple. After the FAA was done, all but 2 from the top to middle management were terminated. The moral here is that sometimes the ’sky is falling’, but not just on someone’s say-so. Serious charge(s) has to be considered within the big picture.
Your hobby is taking any detracting piece that and resting your defense.
Comment by Andy — 07.08.05 @ 9:47 am
Remember when the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhas in Afghanistan? They were at war with us even before then, but that was the point at which I knew it. I’m not a Buddhist, and wasn’t even a Christian at the time. But I knew that any ideology that was willing to erase the signs of other cultures in order to prop itself up was not going to stop at just signs.
It is time to erase the signs of Islam from the earth. Not to prop up Christianity - but to prop up civilization. Civilization has no place for these people.
Goodbye to the Dome of the Rock. Goodbye to Mecca. Give them one week to evacuate and then goodbye. This will be the start of the shrivelling of their cancerous ideology. I say also goodbye to the Alhambra and any other outposts of the ancient Muslim empire. Just like our current coddling of prisoners and our measured response to their ever-growing atrocities, our reverence for such places, tempting as it may be to maintain it, ONLY GIVES THEM IDEAS.
Comment by Brian Jones — 07.08.05 @ 12:03 pm
Friday London Updates
I’ll add other updates later but for now I’m using Memeorandum and a couple of other sources to compile an update of news articles and blog posts from today. News articles/Editorials: NRO AP Financial Times CNN TCS The Telegraph WSJ…
Trackback by Jeff Quinton - Backcountry Conservative — 07.08.05 @ 12:04 pm
“We don’t cause terrorist acts. Terrorists cause terrorist acts.”
Gen. Tommy Fanks
U.S. Army-Ret.
Comment by Chris Roberts — 07.08.05 @ 1:41 pm
Terror in Albion
Update (7/8/05): Hyscience posted some informational updates last night. ‘Backcountry Conservative’ Jeff Quinton has been very prolific in blogging about this - both yesterday and today. And speaking of today, his post from this morning has a compreh…
Trackback by University Blog — 07.08.05 @ 11:09 pm
We’re All Britons Today…
I worked late last night, so I’m just waking up to this horrible news: Attack Kills At Least 37 At least 37 people have been killed and 700 injured in a series of terror attacks on London. The first…
Trackback by Dizzy Girl — 07.09.05 @ 1:58 am
We will return to our regularly scheduled programing
Darlene and I arrived safely home without further incident Friday afternoon. But I was too tired to blog. Now that we’re unpacked and back in the swing of normal life…
Trackback by PyroManiac — 07.09.05 @ 4:07 pm