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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55073</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up with a lot of black people, there are black people in my family, my classmates have been black, many of my teachers and principals have been black, my bosses have been black, the churches I&#039;ve gone to have been black, my co-workers have been black, my hometown and my current dwelling place have a large black population, the students I&#039;ve taught are black, the media I&#039;ve consumed and interacted with have been black, I have friends who are black, I work in a neighborhood with a lot of black people, my church is in a predominantly black area. 

Thus, based on my experiences, including the reams of educational theory that I had to read to obtain an advanced degree in Education, I have heard from many people throughout my life, including those who had power over me, arguments based on the assumption that we live in a closed system, where the white man is on top, and the non-white people (especially non-white women) are at the bottom. A lot of politicians here make a good living and gain power from preaching from this world view, and I have consistently come against it, whether I have spoken to educated black people or uneducated black people. 

My comment was working within that framework--the theory that we lived in a closed system, where we are trapped based on our background and/or skin color, where the individual is never considered. I posted it, assuming that people who read my comment would understand that prevalent idea that I was alluding to. 

I also didn&#039;t explain my departure from the non-specific &quot;inner city&quot; reference to the &quot;white man&quot; reference because La Shawn understands the fallacy of such a belief, so perhaps the latter part of my comment should be taken as tongue-in-cheek. 

The point was that as long as people are complaining, blaming a fallacious belief for their failure, poor and disadvantaged immigrants are coming here and taking advantage of the gaps that exist from the whiners&#039; absence. 

Now I will go and continue to interact with the black people I know, none of whom ever say anything that La Shawn says. Which is why I come to this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with a lot of black people, there are black people in my family, my classmates have been black, many of my teachers and principals have been black, my bosses have been black, the churches I&#8217;ve gone to have been black, my co-workers have been black, my hometown and my current dwelling place have a large black population, the students I&#8217;ve taught are black, the media I&#8217;ve consumed and interacted with have been black, I have friends who are black, I work in a neighborhood with a lot of black people, my church is in a predominantly black area. </p>
<p>Thus, based on my experiences, including the reams of educational theory that I had to read to obtain an advanced degree in Education, I have heard from many people throughout my life, including those who had power over me, arguments based on the assumption that we live in a closed system, where the white man is on top, and the non-white people (especially non-white women) are at the bottom. A lot of politicians here make a good living and gain power from preaching from this world view, and I have consistently come against it, whether I have spoken to educated black people or uneducated black people. </p>
<p>My comment was working within that framework&#8211;the theory that we lived in a closed system, where we are trapped based on our background and/or skin color, where the individual is never considered. I posted it, assuming that people who read my comment would understand that prevalent idea that I was alluding to. </p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t explain my departure from the non-specific &#8220;inner city&#8221; reference to the &#8220;white man&#8221; reference because La Shawn understands the fallacy of such a belief, so perhaps the latter part of my comment should be taken as tongue-in-cheek. </p>
<p>The point was that as long as people are complaining, blaming a fallacious belief for their failure, poor and disadvantaged immigrants are coming here and taking advantage of the gaps that exist from the whiners&#8217; absence. </p>
<p>Now I will go and continue to interact with the black people I know, none of whom ever say anything that La Shawn says. Which is why I come to this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55070</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get rid of the NEA and these type of idiotic ideas would never come up.  They say this stuff only because their jobs are protected by that corrupt organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get rid of the NEA and these type of idiotic ideas would never come up.  They say this stuff only because their jobs are protected by that corrupt organization.</p>
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		<title>By: ahem</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55069</link>
		<dc:creator>ahem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about these kinds of &#039;let&#039;s just give up&#039; initiatives is that they&#039;re deeply, profoundly racist ideas masquerading as enlightenment. Racist, because of the effect they have: they couldn&#039;t hold black citizens down any lower if they tried. 

They&#039;re also a clever way of disguising the incompetence of the educational system, a &#039;no-fault&#039; innovation. 

Educators and our educational system used to be much better. Ever hear Duke Ellington speak? And he received what was then a customary education.

Time to wake up from the &#039;Matrix&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about these kinds of &#8216;let&#8217;s just give up&#8217; initiatives is that they&#8217;re deeply, profoundly racist ideas masquerading as enlightenment. Racist, because of the effect they have: they couldn&#8217;t hold black citizens down any lower if they tried. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re also a clever way of disguising the incompetence of the educational system, a &#8216;no-fault&#8217; innovation. </p>
<p>Educators and our educational system used to be much better. Ever hear Duke Ellington speak? And he received what was then a customary education.</p>
<p>Time to wake up from the &#8216;Matrix&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee in VA</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55035</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee in VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Andy (loved that reference to Airplane...LOL)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Andy (loved that reference to Airplane&#8230;LOL)</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany In Mpls</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55034</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany In Mpls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is boils down to is that there is a time and place for everything and there is no place for Ebonics in the schools when English is the standard vernacular and is necessary to be successful in the United States.

What you speak at home or amongst your friends/family is of no consequence since I&#039;m liable to slip into a bit of Ebonics or slang or whatever you want to call it, when I&#039;m at home.

That&#039;s the place for something like that. It&#039;s not the place in my job as a Financial Analyst. Simple as that.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is boils down to is that there is a time and place for everything and there is no place for Ebonics in the schools when English is the standard vernacular and is necessary to be successful in the United States.</p>
<p>What you speak at home or amongst your friends/family is of no consequence since I&#8217;m liable to slip into a bit of Ebonics or slang or whatever you want to call it, when I&#8217;m at home.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the place for something like that. It&#8217;s not the place in my job as a Financial Analyst. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55033</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell, you should have been smart enough to recognize that shipwrecked was talking about Kwanza being yet another man-made religon related garbage.  And to recognize he/she was referring to if all one can speak is ebonics, their getting out of the ghetto is next to slim.  

So you can speak ebonics, so does June Ward (Leave It To Beaver&#039;s TV mom)  does that make ya&#039;ll &quot;multi-lingual&quot;, if so good for you.  Let me know when it expands real-world economic opportunities. ;)

As for MJ&#039;s characterization, I&#039;d say Coz agrees with her and one doesn&#039;t have to be black to understand the issues confonting them.  About the only time the adage &quot;If you have to ask, you wouldn&#039;t understand&quot; is true concerns Harley-Davidsons ;)

I don&#039;t speak ebonics, does that make you smarter than me or less wiser?  Remember, one can &#039;know&#039; everything there is to know and still be dumb as a doornail. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell, you should have been smart enough to recognize that shipwrecked was talking about Kwanza being yet another man-made religon related garbage.  And to recognize he/she was referring to if all one can speak is ebonics, their getting out of the ghetto is next to slim.  </p>
<p>So you can speak ebonics, so does June Ward (Leave It To Beaver&#8217;s TV mom)  does that make ya&#8217;ll &#8220;multi-lingual&#8221;, if so good for you.  Let me know when it expands real-world economic opportunities. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for MJ&#8217;s characterization, I&#8217;d say Coz agrees with her and one doesn&#8217;t have to be black to understand the issues confonting them.  About the only time the adage &#8220;If you have to ask, you wouldn&#8217;t understand&#8221; is true concerns Harley-Davidsons <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t speak ebonics, does that make you smarter than me or less wiser?  Remember, one can &#8216;know&#8217; everything there is to know and still be dumb as a doornail. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Renee in VA</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55029</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee in VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey looks like there is another Renee now...

Should I be Renn ! or Renee in VA...Hmmmm

I don&#039;t speak Franglish :-)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey looks like there is another Renee now&#8230;</p>
<p>Should I be Renn ! or Renee in VA&#8230;Hmmmm</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t speak Franglish <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55027</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ref #50

SLANG=LAZY :-)(I love how we throw a new word on something and think that automatically changes it&#039;s meaning...the truth must really hurt)

It&#039;s still a PIG (no matter how you dress it)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref #50</p>
<p>SLANG=LAZY <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> (I love how we throw a new word on something and think that automatically changes it&#8217;s meaning&#8230;the truth must really hurt)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still a PIG (no matter how you dress it)</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55026</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my family, we used to speak a mix of French and English...so when is Franglais going to be a recognized language? How about Spanglish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my family, we used to speak a mix of French and English&#8230;so when is Franglais going to be a recognized language? How about Spanglish?</p>
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		<title>By: Dell Gines</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55024</link>
		<dc:creator>Dell Gines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shipwrecked - Every holiday is man made, so are they all garbage? I speak ebonics at times, and I can guarantee I am smarter than you, and don&#039;t live in the ghetto, so what does that make me?

MJ - In your quote you went from &quot;young people, learning ebonics, inner city&quot; these are race neutral terms, indicating that it could be white folk and black folk as well, or asian, whatever, that &quot;blame the white man&quot;...so I asked the question as to whether you are saying white people blame &#039;the white man&#039; too, as you didn&#039;t identify race.  By the way, I don&#039;t think you know anything about black people to make such a silly statement as that. 

Chris - BBC&#039;s don&#039;t hate whites they love them to the point where they want to pull an internal Michael Jackson. But if I was a white person, I would blame the white man too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shipwrecked &#8211; Every holiday is man made, so are they all garbage? I speak ebonics at times, and I can guarantee I am smarter than you, and don&#8217;t live in the ghetto, so what does that make me?</p>
<p>MJ &#8211; In your quote you went from &#8220;young people, learning ebonics, inner city&#8221; these are race neutral terms, indicating that it could be white folk and black folk as well, or asian, whatever, that &#8220;blame the white man&#8221;&#8230;so I asked the question as to whether you are saying white people blame &#8216;the white man&#8217; too, as you didn&#8217;t identify race.  By the way, I don&#8217;t think you know anything about black people to make such a silly statement as that. </p>
<p>Chris &#8211; BBC&#8217;s don&#8217;t hate whites they love them to the point where they want to pull an internal Michael Jackson. But if I was a white person, I would blame the white man too.</p>
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		<title>By: Shipwrecked</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-55023</link>
		<dc:creator>Shipwrecked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebonics and Kwanzaa are both man-made garbage. You don&#039;t need whites to put blacks down, if blacks want to do it so well themselves. Education is the great liberator, take advantage of it and progress. Speak ebonics and stay in the ghetto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebonics and Kwanzaa are both man-made garbage. You don&#8217;t need whites to put blacks down, if blacks want to do it so well themselves. Education is the great liberator, take advantage of it and progress. Speak ebonics and stay in the ghetto.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-54990</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell: what do you mean? </description>
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		<title>By: PurpleMD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-54986</link>
		<dc:creator>PurpleMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSI...I&#039;m a red dot in the silicon valley...a melanated red dot...no less...very few of us around...

PurpleMD
...recently moved from the peninsula to the East Bay (Fremont like)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCSI&#8230;I&#8217;m a red dot in the silicon valley&#8230;a melanated red dot&#8230;no less&#8230;very few of us around&#8230;</p>
<p>PurpleMD<br />
&#8230;recently moved from the peninsula to the East Bay (Fremont like)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-54946</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago I was in England. It was very strange. I could no longer tell if someone was Black or White by just hearing them speak. You all know what I am talking about. It is not 100% but most people would be about 90%. I could not get over it. 

Why, is it so different here. The only reason I can think of is just willfullness by Blacks. I will not speak like the Whites and they can&#039;t make me. I have seen it Black kids making fun of another Black kid for &#039;Speaking White&#039;. Ebonics is just that thought carried to extream.

As has been said. If you can&#039;t speak standard english, you will find getting a job or getting ahead very hard.

But Three cheers for Ebonics recommended by the KKK, Skinheads, and California School Administrators. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I was in England. It was very strange. I could no longer tell if someone was Black or White by just hearing them speak. You all know what I am talking about. It is not 100% but most people would be about 90%. I could not get over it. </p>
<p>Why, is it so different here. The only reason I can think of is just willfullness by Blacks. I will not speak like the Whites and they can&#8217;t make me. I have seen it Black kids making fun of another Black kid for &#8216;Speaking White&#8217;. Ebonics is just that thought carried to extream.</p>
<p>As has been said. If you can&#8217;t speak standard english, you will find getting a job or getting ahead very hard.</p>
<p>But Three cheers for Ebonics recommended by the KKK, Skinheads, and California School Administrators.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/18/dumb/comment-page-2/#comment-54942</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, the same thing goes on in the Deaf world with the elites promoting ASL as an unique language instead of the slang that it is.  This does nothing to help Deaf students learn english grammar properly and it shows in their reading and writing comprehension skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, the same thing goes on in the Deaf world with the elites promoting ASL as an unique language instead of the slang that it is.  This does nothing to help Deaf students learn english grammar properly and it shows in their reading and writing comprehension skills.</p>
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