Instead of calling immigration authorities to round up illegal aliens, social engineers in Herndon, Virginia, plan to use the income of legal citizens to “move the workers to a designated site in a residential neighborhood and staff it with social workers and English tutors.”
Read, and be angry, American dupes:
Mayor Michael L. O’Reilly is trying to steer the community toward some accommodation. Slightly less than half of voters cast ballots for him in last year’s municipal elections; his opponents had expressed dismay at the presence of the day laborers.“There’s probably no other issue facing local governments that is more complicated than day laborer” sites, O’Reilly said. “There are constitutional issues, the right of assembly. There are national issues. There are local issues. It is very complex, and it brings out a lot of emotion in people.”
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Philip Jones, 44, of Herndon, a single father of two teenagers, views the day laborers as an additional threat to Herndon’s once close-knit community. Every day, he said, he drives by the 7-Eleven and sees them catcall at women, drink and behave in unruly ways. His children are afraid to go into the store.
Now he fears that could be the scene near his home. The proposed day laborer site is in Jones’s suburban neighborhood of split-level homes where Herndon borders Loudoun County. His neighbors dislike the idea so much, he says, that some may sell and leave town. (Source: )
As America continues to slide into the suicidal trap of multiculturalism and “tolerance,” we’ll continue to watch a once-great nation crumble under the weight of a third world scourge of border jumpers parasitically feeding off a system built by people with a superior vision of e pluribus unum. We’ve only begun to see the degrading transformation of our culture, from which springs a wholly un-American, counterintuitive, and undesirable doomed-to-fail new idea: e pluribus pluribus.
As you know, the illegal alien problem was once concentrated in urban areas. In the span of a couple of decades, the problem has migrated to the suburbs and beyond, creating tension in all aspects of community life. Third world, poor English-speaking lawbreakers with no interest in assimilation, have been given unofficial asylum by the amoral idiots you elected. Illegal aliens have more rights than you do.
So do Islamofascists.
You, hard working, law-abiding American trying to keep your family safe from people who have no regard for you or your laws, are only good for the tax dollars the government jacks from your paychecks every week. What you want for your families and your country doesn’t count.
You are only a small cog in the wheel. The welfare state is the machine through which your values and your rights are ground to bits while you sit on your duff and complain on a blog.
Update: From a commenter: “[T]he father in the article should well be concerned for the safety of his children. Drudge linked to a case over the weekend in my hometown of the abduction and rape of a 9-year-old girl by an illegal border jumper who has yet to be captured because no one knew who he really was. No paper trail to find this man and the name he was known by was a false one. If this can and does happen, there’s no end to the possibilities…and as in our case, no justice to be wrought.” (Emphasis added)
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La Shawn, the father in the article should well be concerned for the safety of his children. Drudge linked to a case over the weekend in my hometown of the abduction and rape of a 9-year-old girl by an illegal border jumper who has yet to be captured because no one knew who he really was. No paper trail to find this man and the name he was known by was a false one. If this can and does happen, there’s no end to the possibilities… and as in our case, no justice to be wrought.
Three little words to the president and the Congress:
CLOSE. THE. BORDERS.
But I note that the Senate voted against amendments to hire more Border Patrol agents last week. Remember this when those same %&@#$%@#s run for reelection on a platform of ‘keeping America safe’.
http://docjim505.typepad.com/second_opinion/2005/07/senate_not_seri.html
Right on LaShawn. Please do a piece on NumbersUSA http://www.numbersusa.com . They are doing something about it and already have 100,000 members actively faxing and calling their representatives.
The libs love to rewrite the history books, so they conveniently forget the one aspect of early immigration in this country that made it work: assimilation. Multiculturalism and its tentacles does not require assimilation into this country. The lack of assimilation means there is less or little respect for the laws and way of life in this country. There has to be a reason why all the illegals are here in the first place. I’ll throw out a firebomb: they are here because it is better here, our way of life is better, our way of conducting business is better. That being the case, why are we so content for every other way of life to be considered better than ours?
Let me preface my comment by saying that I fully believe the illegal immigrant problem is not being fully addessed and this article is very unnerving.
Ok, this is slightly off topic but I’m confused.
The conservative position seems to be against “diversity” and “multiculturalism” and I’m at a loss as to why. I relish going to Chicago to the Taste of Chicago and eating a Polish brat and Deep Dish pizza. I live in Minnesota and have enjoyed learning more about the Norwegian and German cultures that settled the state in the early days. I absolutely adore Japanese food and culture. I don’t have a problem with a Chinatown or a Greektown full of thriving businesses and contributing citizens. And being that I am from Texas, I couldn’t imagine life without knowing about the culture/food that was brought from Mexico. I figure that as long as people are legal citizens/resident aliens then I have no problem with them.
Can someone elaborate on the anti-diversity position?
I have nothing against a little flavor and variety in life, Tiffany, but my focus is on maintaining a shared identity and appreciation as Americans. This has nothing to do with eating in foreign food restaurant, for crying out loud. It has everything to do with being Americans first, everything else second, third, whatever.
Don’t completely miss the issue. People come on to this blog sometimes just to find something to disagree with, and they go off on weird tangents like yours. Who said anything about food and Chinatown? I’m talking about third world people coming over here, living off the system when they have no right to be here in the first place.
ILLEGALITY, not what people eat, is the issue.
I find diversity as defined by white, bored, elitist liberals condescending, disingenuous pulp: dark skin, little to no brains, and Democrat-voting. If you think I’m being unfair or inaccurate, roll on over to Daily Kos and find out what they think of your intellect.
As human beings, we are diverse. For his own purposes, that’s how God made us. I don’t need some snot-nosed white boy preaching to me about the “value” of different cultures around the world or how such cultures enrich our own country. I am well aware of our differences, and contrary to PC opinion, not all differences are beneficial or worthy of my esteem.
Meanwhile my wife (who is a legal immigrant from Africa) had unusual, even dumb, roadblocks thrown in her way at every step of her immigrant visa application. Even now we’re still fighting to get her a Social Security number so we can put her on my health insurance. We chose to come here legally, and are paying the price for it.
Obey the law - get harassed. Break the law and sneak in - get rewarded. It is folks like Mayor Michael L. O’Reilly and their MSM sidekicks who are the real racists - they don’t want minorities who try to make it on their own without government help.
Tiffany, you might want to check this article, “London Blasts: Where the Investigation Should Start”, written by Dr. Mohammed T. Al-Rasheed — an Arab, no less — criticizing the leftist reverance for multi-kultism.
London does not need anyone’s sympathy. The English will handle it just fine, thank you. Condolences are in order out of respect for human life lost to outrageous murder. Beyond that, the world, more than London, needs to look at itself and its destiny.I grew up in that city. I walked its streets, haunted its museums, bedeviled its bookstores, and sort of grew up to see it through the eyes of Charles Dickens through my studies and then my own eyes. Its homes house beloved friends and its cemeteries enclose cherished friends and loved family members.
I must confess that over the years I did not like what I was seeing as far as immigration was concerned. You could hardly find an Anglo-Saxon if you went out hunting for one on the streets of London. I am not a racist, but I am a person who wants to see English men and women when I go to London. I guess London has a bigger racial vision than I do, and I respect that though I do not agree with it….
Read the rest at: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7
It’s not diversity that we’re against, but lame-brained efforts to force us to swallow the notion that all cultures are equivalent. Here, we are Americans first.
We don’t need no stinkin’ multi-language ballots and govt services. You want a piece of the American pie? Learn English or sit by the wayside. If you don’t want to be functionally in an English-speaking world, then don’t bother coming here cause we won’t make room for your anglo-phobia.
Is that racist? Hardly. When in Rome…
I wasn’t trying to miss the issue, I’m far from stupid. And I wasn’t going off on a tangent, I used the appreciation of different cultures to express my understanding and I asked for an explanation so I can get a better understanding of another viewpoint.
Stop being so combative, LaShawn. I’m simply trying to understand another point of view. It’s not a fight.
Arrest them as criminal trespassers. I like the idea of local police arresting them as criminal trespassers. That way we can at least get them pictured and finger-printed and run through some databases before release back into the streets.
How about Tom Tancredo’s comments being reported today? Gotta love that man. He would make a great president. If he runs, I am in on his campaign.
Thanks, Andy. I appreciate your insight.
Diversity my ***…It’s illegal immigration
where the problem is… If you want to come
here fine you wait in line and come thru the
front door not the back door, then you will be
welcome…Forget the diversity crap we are all
humans, the flesh under the skin is red and all
blood is red…illegal is illegal send the sob
home…
So you get to make blanket statements implying that conservatives are “against” other cultures just because we want a united America, but I’m being combative? OK.
And I don’t know who called you stupid, but it certainly wasn’t me. Besides, you’re talking to the wrong person. As I said, go visit the white boys at Daily Kos for a taste of what they think of black folks.
Necessity is the mother of invention and soon enough the pressures associated with illegal immigration will reach a boiling point. The same goes with the war on islam in America. At sme point, the people will reclaim what is theirs and demand and ultimatley enforce some accountability.
It is just a matter of time. While I fully understand why the Mexicans are streaming across our borders, I will not tolerate the breaking of standing law, nor the rape of the taxpayer, nor the crime.
I am just waiting for some brave soul to type up, print, and send the Mexican government a bill for us taking care of his “children.”
LaShawn may not have said it, but I will. Yes, I am against any culture here in the United States that seeks to place itself above a rich and distinct American culture. The US comes first! If the aliens do not like that then they are welcome to stay home and celebrate Cinco de Mayo until there are no more agave plants.
Nothing drives me battier than to see other third world country’s flags displayed on car stickers and the like. Heck, if you country is so dagum great, why are you here in ours?
Those Latin American baseball players really drove me up a wall during the Home Run Derby last Monday night. Waving the flas of their native toilets when it is the United States of America providing them and their families with a life style most can only dream of.
Come here and work, but obey the laws first and during your visit and most of all…SHOW THIS COUNTRY SOME RESPECT!
Tiff, I think the point isn’t about flavors. This is what enriches the American experience, when we absorb various perspectives. Without Chinese immigrants, we wouldn’t have Chinese proverbs and so on. And as you noted the various foods. It is natural to expect as the racial makeup evolves, we would adopt the best of what other cultures offer.
The problem is when leftist social activists lump illegal immgrants under the diversity banner. We are foremost a melting pot, not a salad bar. The consistency of our “stew” is English speaking, the constitution, not Sharia or some foreign nonsuch, law & order etc. As long as immigrants comport themselves to the basic requirements, there is no issue.
Again, the problem that La Shawn points to are misguided idiots who would force us to swallow their psychobabble w/o a whimper, using our tax dollars to benefit individuals that don’t belong in the first place and worse, want to park them right in your neighborhood.
In a sense, an abuse of Emminent Domain, where you are forced to share your domain with others that don’t even respect you. No different than say the govt deciding to put a methadone clinic next to your neighborhood playground, or establishing a red-light zone in your cul-de-sac.
Allright Andy! I predict that as long as this invasion continues the states will become redder and redder. At some point even liberals are going to say wait a dadgum minute now! You people need behave or go home.
I wish I could talk to you in person, LaShawn. I think we would agree on more than what can be conveyed on a comment board.
Thanks again, Andy.
CLOSE THE BORDERS!
DEPORT those who are known to be here illegally.
DENY US citizenship to children born on American soil whose parents are here illegally.
Tiffany, I think if you stop appearing as an apologist and member of the blame America first grouping then your arguments will bear more fruit.
Contrary to what you may believe, this is a sovereign nations governed by laws and having a distinct American culture. Not everyone is entitled to the privelege of being in America. Like for anything else, you have to earn your way in here. That does not mean sneaking in illegally and THEN working hard. It means applying like everyone else and waiting in line like everyone else.
Hopefully the laws will be amended that allows an illegal’s child downloaded in this country to be an automatic citizen. If your parents are illegal, then the child is illegal too. No citizenship? No school. No welfare. No WIC. No foodstamps. No housing. Only emergency care and a one way ticket back to your toilet until you can learn some respect.
The #1 “diversity” problem (better yet, scourge/cancer) in America - all who are liberal and live here!
Oh, If only I were President. I could win the Iraq battle in 30 days and stop illegal immigration cold!
The Joe Wilson story would go away so quick, heads would spin and come off! Social Security would be tougher, but Bolton would be in, Estrada would be in and the news Supreme Court nominee would be confirmed by the end of the week.
I would have illegals running back for the border so fast, you’d think Speedy Gonzalez was playing in every house along the route.
And ALL would be done legally!
Raymond - Stop talking to me because you aren’t making any sense. I didn’t blame America and I certainly am not an apologist. Actually I wasn’t even making an argument, I asked for clarification on a position.
Learn to read, then respond.
We are truly fighting a uphill battle. Not only do “undocumented immigrants” get social services easier then any US citizen, now banks i.e. Bank of America, are marketing mortgages to them. The justafication, it’s an untapped market with lots of cash. It’s going to be a long hard battle, but I’m ready.
Illegal immigrants and multiculturalism, ethnic food…
yeah, I see the connection (??)
Anyway, sad thing is La Shawn, every 7-11 in Southern Fairfax County (not just Herndon) and the ones in Woodbridge (Prince William County) are the same as the one mentioned in the article. Makes one scratch their head in amazement (considering the cost of homes in the area….being illegal must be pretty profitable).
Don’t worry Raymond…
I’ll still talk to you
# 30,
I am sure the voices will continue to speak to him as well
I appreciate your enthusiasm Raymond, but not how far it takes you some days.
Maybe a little less caffiene?
Tiff, you’re welcome. In fact, I think you’re one that I could enjoy a conversation with over coffee or beer, like Redbeard was talking about the other day.
One of the commenters said something about the lack of assimilation. I have this picture in my mind of that city in Michigan (Hamtramck?) where they sound the call to prayer in the morning.
There is a highway along the border with Mexico in San Diego, that has been an effective barrier to illegal immigration. I wouldn’t have a problem with extending that highway to Brownsville, Texas. Everybody’s going “Iraq, Iraq, Iraq,” but this is as big a part of protecting our country from terrorism as bringing democracy to the Middle East.
Tiffany wrote, “The conservative position seems to be against “diversity†and “multiculturalism†and I’m at a loss as to why.”
A: Incorrect. Speaking for conservatives that isn’t what we are “against”. Hope this helps.
Tiffany asked, “Can someone elaborate on the anti-diversity position?”
A: Yes. It isn’t a position of conservatives (except for some backwards knee-jerk rednecks whom I don’t know of but I’m sure they do). The anti-diversity position seems to be of American liberals who are intolerant of conservative views and incorrectly mischaracterize our views in order to dumb down the public and make us out to be racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-environment, anti-social security, anti-poor, anti-education (you name it).
Conservatives are for:
1) Being judged by the content of ones character not the color of skin, gender, sexual preferences.
2) Environmental policy based on science that takes into account economic factors and livelihoods as well as eminent domain issues.
3) Education of our children with choice in where we send our children as we the taxpayers are paying for the education and want results.
4) Social policy that does not have the government dictating that WE spend money on social causes that we disagree with and has the government essentially taking a Laize Faire attitude (not dictating to us).
5) Economic policy that is not punitive towards people striving to succeed and rewarding towards the lazy. We understand that there needs to be a safety net for those who are not able-bodies or elderly but there shouldn’t be a hammock or risk-free society (which promotes stupid economic decisions)
6) Federal government spending on the defense of this country and other things prescribed by the constitution which leaves other spending for the states. For instance, until 1979 the entire education dollar was spent by the states. Now that the federal Department of Education is created 7% of the education dollar is spent by the federal government to the tune of over 50 billion now and it sometimes is counterproductive to state programs and some states can’t even keep up with the regulations and paperwork). When conservatives even talk about block granting (an increased dollar amount) of the money from the federal to the states Democrats do their usual accuse and attack and act like Republicans are cutting Education when NEVER has that happened.
What are conservatives for? Conservatives are for what 80% of what people are for but the media and Democrats usually are able to successfully mischaracterize what we stand for to the detriment of our character and beliefs putting us on the constant defensive (ala Darkstar and Cobra and Actus are examples of that attack/defend pattern).
Talk radio and the Internet will fairly well guarantee that the left will have to change and offer solutions to the problems and debate in the playing field of ideas or lose elections (as they’ve done since 1994 pretty much).
Hope this helps…
Douglas, not just in the morning but all 5 times a day as proscribed by the Koran, with loudspeakers to make sure it’s cl;early heard across the township. If you hapen to live within a couple hundred yards of the mosque, you won’t miss it, even over the typical church bells. It’s the one exception to sound pollution laws.
From drowning the infdels with sound to drowning the infidels with blood, it’s all the same as long as the infidels drown. (yeah, yeah, I’m generalizing based on certain self-evident truths)
See, and I bet if Blacks go to that proposed site, for the most part, they won’t get picked for jobs.
I’ve said before that Americans who don’t seem to care about this issue are: people who are descendents of illegals, people who make money from them (either by employing them or have careers built from them such as teachers, interpreters, etc.), and people who don’t live around them. So maybe now people will now notice them, once they move beyond the cities.
Immigration takes on many forms,
but to some it means
Infinite
Masses
Marching
In
Generally
Refusing
Altogether
To
Incorporate
Our
Norms
The melting pot is broken Tiffany. You want some understanding, let several illeal alien families move in next door to you, then you’ll have all the diversely-flavored understanding you can stand.
Baklava, well said!
DS, dare I say the difference may be whether they come dressed to work or not? Most day labor consists of manual labor, whether it’s construction or warehouse et al. Some dude waiting around for work wearing shorts 5 sizes too big and gleaming white sneakers ain’t gonna get picked up.
Those two items will disqualify them from 95% of available work a) safety hazard — why hire someone who looks like he’s going to trip or get snagged by machinery with OSHA hanging in the wings, b) fashion statement — the guy’s gonna spend more time worrying about his bling instead of humping a load. Not to mention attitude.
Just face it, schools have failed to prepare them for the real world and the real world ain’t got time to set them straight. Don’t blame racism, blame the liberal school system that worries more about hurt feelings, instead of damaged earning potential.
DS, dare I say the difference may be whether they come dressed to work or not? Most day labor consists of manual labor, whether it’s construction or warehouse et al. Some dude waiting around for work wearing shorts 5 sizes too big and gleaming white sneakers ain’t gonna get picked up.
Now that’s prejudiced. I live near a registered temp job. When I drive by, I see Black men dressed like they are going to do construction work.
Meanwhile, have you seen the white kids showing up to work, at say, Best Buy?
White girls with no waste jeans, many with rolls of fat over the top, tatooes and the like. The white boys are wearing pants, with belts, but still below the waste. The shirts, tucked in, are sloppy, unironed, and coming out from the top of the pants.
Sorry Andy, I’m learning more and more about what’s happening with day laborers and construction. There’s major construction in my area and I ask questions. I have a friend who tried going to the “informal” day labor pickup sites. He doesn’t wear clothes like you described. But he never got a job. I have a friend who does steel work and it’s coming down to basic economics: illegals are willing to take lower pay, maybe even less than minimum wage, and workers who know better, are getting the dirty end of the stick.
But instead of asking, look at the route you took. i guess you don’t remember when there was an INS raid in Atlanta during the construction period before the Olympics in Atlanta? I guess you don’t remember much of the construction was stopped. Or I guess you don’t remember the recent news of raids on federal work sites and illegals being caught.
But, you were quick to take the route you did.
(ala Darkstar and Cobra and Actus are examples of that attack/defend pattern).
Stop playing the victim. I present information to back up what I write. There is no misrepresentation involved.
Sigh….
waste == waist.
From my own personal experience (I’m a public school teacher), the primary problem is in the schools. We are spending a lot of time studying our differences. Sure, they try to bring it all back around to “despite our differences we are the same.” However, kids are coming out of public school with more cultural pride than American pride. I find that to be a problem. They don’t understand the uniqeness of our liberties and checks and ballances. By the time most kids graduate they have had more exposure to holidays around the world than the constitution or decleration of independence. They read history texts that spend more time pointing out our mistakes than our successes. They have cultural fairs, foods from around the world weeks, etc., but they know very little about their own government system. I think it is dangerous and stupid to continue this trend in schools. We can absorb each others culture without making a big deal of it in education. Emphasize what we have in common as Americans. We are sending students into the world who are jaded and apologetic about being Americans. I’m sorry, but I believe some old-time patriotism and national pride would help alleviate alot of problems.
Also, I think we need a national language: English. I only say English because it would make the most sense. Most people in America speak the language and it would be economically very difficult to change. This recent business of press 1 for English and 2 for Spanish, gets rid of the incentive that past immigrants had to learn the language and interact outside of self-segregated communities.
It is obvious that those young men in London felt more allegiance to their culture than their country. Perhaps it has something to do with the emphasis the west has been putting on ethic pride over national pride. I’m tired of hearing about how the west is so evil and oppressive. That is just pantently untrue. We’re not perfect societies but we are certainly more accepting of each other’s differences than most non-western cultures. For some reason western culture has been on a self-effacing, apologist kick for the last several decades. I think we need to get over it and start teaching our kids about that which makes us great. To take for granted what we have accomplished it to risk losing it. I don’t want that to happen.
Sorry to go on and on … had to get that off my chest.
DS wrote; “Now that’s prejudiced…” How so, I didn’t talk about any one’s ethnicity, I talked about appearance. If the shoe fits, take it off and put on some steel-toes.
And ditto for girls with jelly rolls hanging over the waist of their hoochie shorts. As a customer, I won’t tolerate being waited on by slobs, such as you describe, and would think twice about patronizing any employer that thinks so lowly of their business that they would ’shock and awe’ my sensibilities.
But I think you’re generalizing about Best Buy, but then again, what do I know? I haven’t been to one in years. Except for the bare necessities, I do all my shopping on eBay and I could care less if the seller works in his A-shirt and boxers with hair crawling out all over the place, as long as the rating is high. So, go ahead and blame me for the decline of stores, as I outsource my business to C_n0_5l0b.
Good that you talked to those looking for work. Have you talked to those looking for workers?
And don’t give me that crock about anyone working for below minimum wages, aside from gratuity or piece-rate jobs.
In 94/95 I worked the day job scene and after awhile, you get to know who can get a job any day of the week and those who can’t even get a job if they paid for it.
The typical job paid $8/hr (construction/warehouse) with the band running between $6 (erecting/dismantling those big tents for special occasions) and $10/hr (clerical/data entry). Granted, this was in Austin, TX — right-to-work State and all.
It didn’t take long to snag a full-time gig hanging sheetrock at $12/hr at a Motorola Fab project from the same company that originally had me working as a general help. And in due time, get bumped up to $15/hr as a “Master Carpenter”.
Secret of my success? Common sense & wits. To get the gig as a Jr. Carpenter is, you have to bring your own tools. Those of us w/o tools saved up and got them then moved on up while the crack-heads stayed behind moaning and groaning about how unfair it was. The jump to Master came by hooking up with Big Willy as my mentor, so that when we moved on to a new project, Will’s word was good enough to make it so. And oh, Big Willy was Black, Christian and respected in spite of being an ex-con.
In fact, I would put the workforce ratio at around 70-20-10 (hispanic-white-black) which probably mirrors the Austin community. When the casino boom hit, many took off for Vegas and $20/hr. Others took of for Atlanta and $18/hr.
Altho it was 10 years ago, I’m pretty confident that wages didn’t decline, because just a couple of years ago I hired some temps to do warehouse work @ $12/hr here in Detroit.
Maybe the problem up in your area is due to other factors, but I seriously doubt it is outright racsim. I’ve seen the 7-11 across the street from the bus station in Silver Spring, MD and I wouldn’t hire but one or two if the need arose. Plus I can’t believe the illegals would hang around up there for minimum wage when they could be living in better weather and making more down South.
Your problem is that you walk around with a ‘racism’ hammer — see something broke, fix it with the hammer.
Bottom line…I’m just tired of paying for other people.
Darkstar wrote, “Stop playing the victim. ”
Nope. No victim. Just pointing out the problem.
How so, I didn’t talk about any one’s ethnicity, I talked about appearance. If the shoe fits, take it off and put on some steel-toes.
Andy, look up the definition of predjuiced. Note that I DIDN’T say racist. In fact, I have yet to use that word on this blog.
From the Marrian Webster dictionary:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=prejudice&x=19&y=12
(1) : preconceived judgment or opinion
Good that you talked to those looking for work. Have you talked to those looking for workers?
Yes, in fact I have. I’ve had a few tell me they can’t find good workers, OF ANY RACE. Then, when I have drilled down, it normally comes down to price. So, it equates to good workers for the price I want to pay them.
The same thing is happening in the tech industry. That’s why H1-B visas are around. There are plenty of people who are capable of doing the work. The companies don’t want to pay the price.
Plus I can’t believe the illegals would hang around up there for minimum wage when they could be living in better weather and making more down South.
Less than minimum wage is better than no wage. And less than the going non-union rate is better than the non-union rate. Day laborers get less than the non-union wage. Plus they negotiate their wage separately.
Your problem is that you walk around with a ‘racism’ hammer
I never wrote racism. Look at what I did write.
La Shawn,
Obviously you are very frustrated! I share your frustration. Only one cog in the wheel? Absolutely right. I can call or write my Senators, Congressman, state Senator and rep, mayor and city council representatives and complain (and I have). But it’s tough to be here on an island. If only 1 person acts, not much gets done. And there’s no one else up in arms around here. Here in NC, we always vote for the Republican presidential candidate, but other than that, it’s all liberal, all the time (that includes both our Republican Senators and Charlotte’s mayor, who are 3 of the most liberal “Republicans” I have ever encountered).
The few of us who really care about this can only do what we can, and fervently pray for God to deliver our fading Republic from the impending doom.
only last week, while on the bus on my way to work i saw a woman waiting for her bus. behind her were 2 mexican men, grabbing their crotches & pointing toward her. fom my place in a bus, i couldn’t hear a word, but she looked terrified.
honestly, i don’t know what to do. our politicians just don’t &^%@@$ care. even if we promise to vote them out.
DS. So what’s prejudicial about what I stated? The fact that some fool is wearing pants 5 sizes too large tells me he’s an accident waiting to happen. That’s prejudicial? Hardly. That’s cautionary in that i don’t want to hire someone that’s going to get hurt, turn around and sue me — if OSHA doesn’t get me first for allowing a hazardous environment. Likewise someone with bling/expensive sneakers looking for manual labor. Read what I said.
So why didn’t you mention talking to employers in the first place. The import of your original statement and elsewhere was that blacks are being discriminated against simply for the color of their skin. Now it comes out that it’s really about what blacks may or may not be willing to work for. There’s a difference!
And again, I don’t know what it is about your area, maybe irrational expectations? If reality doesn’t meet expectations, then it is expectations that need to change, not reality!
What’s wrong with a company not wanting to pay higher wages? Supply & demand. The real problem is when people over-value themselves and live accordingly. Reality bites.
I can tell you right now, I have an internal calculation for the pros/cons of hiring a coder either here or over in Romania, China or wherever. If the local rate is more than I’m willing to bear, I will not hesitate to go elsewhere. Again, it’s my perogative. I don’t owe anyone a “living” wage. I owe my company the best value for its dollars.
“Less than minimum wage is better than no wage. And less than the going non-union rate is better than the non-union rate. ”
Huh??? All that tells me is that some are willing and able to survive on less than “minimal” wage. For one, I don’t believe that anyone is working, let alone living on less than $5.15/hr — exception being the self-employed and the gratuity industry. I say down with socialist minimum wages. Just flat out get rid of it and let the market determine its true price point.
And what good is a union wage, when in the long run you’re going to lose the job by the non-union competition? I say down with unions for the leeches to productivity that they are.
The fact that some fool is wearing pants 5 sizes too large tells me he’s an accident waiting to happen.
You assumed without any information that would be the attire.
So why didn’t you mention talking to employers in the first place.
I saw no need. But when you asked, I gave the information. I’m terse by nature.
If reality doesn’t meet expectations, then it is expectations that need to change, not reality!
In the case of my friend who was seeking day labor work, he was never approached to start the bidding process for a rate.
I owe my company the best value for its dollars.
I have no problem with that. But what is seriously being ignored is companies willfully hiring people who are not here legally. And they do so because they know that even if they get caught, the penalty is not great.
I say down with unions for the leeches to productivity that they are.
I’m not a union backer, I’m just stating facts as they exist. Illegals are under cutting union wages and non-union wages. From what people who do that type of work are telling me, it’s pure economics driving it, not “work ethic”.
“You assumed without any information that would be the attire.”
Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough that I have seen such attire.
“In the case of my friend who was seeking day labor work, he was never approached to start the bidding process for a rate.
So one person’s experience speaks for many/most?
Has your friend tried temp agencies? Might have better luck by filling out applications & taking a drug screening test, instead of just standing around outside some 7/11.
“I have no problem with that. But what is seriously being ignored is companies willfully hiring people who are not here legally. And they do so because they know that even if they get caught, the penalty is not great.”
You have no arguement from me on illegals hurting legals.
“From what people who do that type of work are telling me, it’s pure economics driving it, not “work ethicâ€.”
Sometimes to get that foot in the door, one has to lowball his starting price in order to prove his value as a good worker. Think of it as a test drive.
Another factor I have seen, from my own exp in the construction trades:
If the day job crowd all speak one common language, the foremen/supervisors/recruitors tend to take them as a group.
When I was working contrustion, and standing in crowd of portugeuse (they were big around here at the time) or costa ricans, I would be last to be hired, because I spoke neither spanish not portuguese.
I see the same thing now in various neighborhoods around Philly.
Maybe DarkStar’s friend is on the wrong corner?
Andy: when people have a provincial view, sometimes it’s best to just not bother to answer them–because of their narrow view, they don’t understand subtlety or implications without having them filter through their so-called “intellectualism.”
Has your friend tried temp agencies? Might have better luck by filling out applications & taking a drug screening test, instead of just standing around outside some 7/11.
At the time, he was doing both. Walking the streets in business areas putting in applications, going to the temp agencies, etc. He thought that he could get into a place by doing day labor, and it would give him a better indication of where more jobs were available. It was a rational thought. One that David Horrowitz has said that Blacks should do but don’t because they don’t want to work.
You have no arguement from me on illegals hurting legals.
Which was the thrust of my comment before you took it wrong.
Sometimes to get that foot in the door, one has to lowball his starting price in order to prove his value as a good worker. Think of it as a test drive.
He tried and failed.
Maybe DarkStar’s friend is on the wrong corner?
He has a job now. A government job.
when people have a provincial view, sometimes it’s best to just not bother to answer them–because of their narrow view, they don’t understand subtlety or implications without having them filter through their so-called “intellectualism.â€
Now that’s really funny!!!!!
LB, Baldi, and “Uncle Sam” call me a contrarian. And a lot of my thoughts are based on facts, observations, and subtleties.
Thanks for the laugh!
DS. Cool! Brevity is/was great when pounding code. You just have to elaborate a little more when dealing with mensche. If you must, think of it as commenting your code.
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