“Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I’m in here I must be a ’sinner’ in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame….I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible.”
— Eric Rudolph, “Christian” murderer of child murderers
(Hat tip: Stones Cry Out)
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As Stones Cry Out states in their post… “Why am I not surprised that this aspect of the Rudolph story hasn’t been covered by the “objective” MSM?”
The MSM could never endorse the fact that Rudolph never whole heartedly believed the Bible, which in turn would point out he never believed in Christ, which in turn would yank the “Christian” label off of him, which in turn might actually influence someone to READ the Bible to find out what it actually says, which in turn might point out all these faleshoods (such as Rudolph, Kuresh, Jones, etc.)… in the process it would also point out the backwards (demonic) agenda of feminazi’s, secular huminism, “all roads lead to God” and every other heresy on the market… which in turn would put psychologist, socialogist, psychiatrist,
and “Christian Counselors” who practice the above fields but throw “Christian in front of it” (in the mean time never cracking open a Bible or only cracking it open to misuse a verse…etc., etc., etc…
Nah, lets just keep the people dumb, blind and going to Hell on the Express train.
Maybe that’s why we are to constantly read, discern and be prepared…making ourselves Workmen Approved by God
Right on, Renee!
Renee, you hit the nail on the head there.. GREAT post.
Renee: I am a Christian who also happens to be a therapist. Please don’t make generalizations about Christian counselors – I’m sure you haven’t talked to every single Christian counselor there is, so you can’t say with any authority what all their views are.
The MSM doesn’t get that Christians are radically different from Muslims – a follower of Christ would never condone killing in the name of Christ.
Yep, Eric Rudolph…the guy that the mainstream media would like to lump in with all Christians. Folks, he’s not one of us…never was.
By the way, to be perfectly fair, I first read about this in a spread in USA Today a couple of weeks ago. So it was covered by at least one MSM outlet.
# 1 and # 5
And the same guy that some on the left throw out there to find equivalence between Christians and Muslims vis a vis terrorism.
Odd, that a detail like that is left out… NOT.
I’m glad that the truth about him is at least starting to come to the light.
Matt
please read what I said before you get defensive
If the shoe fits…if not, throw it away
“…I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible.”
A perfect admission for an intelligent, articulate and evil secularist to make.
There are many counselors, therapist, individuals, whatever…that throw Christian in front of their title or name but they are no different than someone who does not put Christian in front of their title…the point is, Christians need to be discerning, compare everyone, even each other…even ourselves (we are asked to test ourselves) to what scripture says…
Thank you for that quote La Shawn. Myth’s get half-way around the world before the truth gets their boots on.
Silence of press about Eric Rudolph tells more about the “secular press’ than about Rudolph himself.
If press were secure in their religious beliefs, or the lack or such beliefs, they would be more able to confront issues about Rudolph head-on.
Renee,
Best post you’ve ever made!
Whom ever “seeks” the truths of God’s Holy Word learns of the promised comforter and counselor that comes through accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Did I miss somewhere the need of a “therapist?”
The fact that he doesn’t believe in the Bible is meaningless. He represents what the MSM wants to be the Christian agenda, so therefore he is Christian to them. This is all part and parcel of the secular agenda to polarize Christians and push us out of American society.
Cindy, how you doing? It’s been a while. The story I link to is a CNN story, so yes, it did make the MSM. I’m wondering, was the USA Today story specific to the point that Rudolph does not claim to be a Christian? That would be something to note. This story took me by surprise because, in the run up to and following the convicition and sentencing of this murderer, I never saw any reporting on this. Perhaps I missed the USA Today article you mention. I’d like to read it. Did you blog it when you saw it?
Hi, Rick.
Like an idiot, I didn’t blog about the Eric Rudolph story, although I talked about it on the radio and with friends and family. I honestly thought it was one of those stories that the blogosphere would be all over like a duck on a June bug. Now it’s become one of those slapping myself on the head moments–why didn’t I blog about it then?!?
The story was a huge front-page report featuring a picture of Rudolph’s mother and talking about the letters he wrote to her. The quote, as you may have already mentioned, is actually from a letter Rudolph wrote to his mom. The comment about Christians and Nietzche was quoted word-for-word.
Here’s a link to the article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-05-rudolph-cover-partone_x.htm
While I don’t think he comes right out and says “I’m not a Christian,” I would think his mocking of Christians trying to “save his soul” and preferring Nietzche to the Bible is pretty clear evidence.
Isn’t it interesting how whenever a Muslim suicide bomber attacks civilians screaming “Allahu Akbar”, the MSM gives Imams & CAIR plenty of air time to say “Islam is a religion of peace, this is unIslamic” but the same is not done for someone liek Eric Rudolph, who by his own admission is not a Christian.
Great observation NYGirl
I just want to know one thing; if he is so indifferent to Christianity and believes Nietzche is peachy, then why the heck did he shoot an abortion doctor? What’s he got against those people? Certainly not that they are acting contrary to Rudolph’s “faith”….
er, um, of course I meant bomb a clinic, not shoot a doctor…
DOH!
“I just want to know one thing; if he is so indifferent to Christianity and believes Nietzche is peachy, then why the heck did he shoot an abortion doctor?”
Who knows but I am sure there is a psychiatrist somewhere who will tell us about something he was lacking in childhood and hence why he is the way he is
Honestly though… SIN will do that.
The MSM doesn’t get that Christians are radically different from Muslims – a follower of Christ would never condone killing in the name of Christ.
Comment by Matt Brown
This is an incredibly dense comment in view of the scads of newsprint devoted to how ordinary Muslims differ from fundamentalists in their interpretation of their religion. In your sweeping generalization of MSM, you commit an even more appalling generalization yourself about Muslims.
#22 LOL.
And I believe, he shot a police officer too. The man is just plain old evil. There is no other way to describe him.
Jody, you leave me scratching my head. Are you familiar with the “internal faithful talking points” like kill all infidels or give them dhimmitude? Either option is distasteful to free people.
Another point is that there aren’t Christian’s saying that we need to understand Eric Rudolph. There were reasons that he did what he did and we need to understand him and address his concerns….
Muslims need to have the same standard for their radicals or “non-followers” that hijack their religion.
I get so so mad watching Muslims on FoxNews or CNN sometimes justifying or asking us to address the underlying causes and whatnot.
There is no negotiations with terrorists. They need to stop terrorism, in a year or two come to some table with some leader and have their greivances put on a piece of paper and work them out in a humane way. Period.
Andy I was thinking the same thing…
the Muslim religious text does teach that the infidel is to be killed … that little tidbit seems to always be missing when social “kiss and hold hands” engineers act as if the fundamentalist are not following Islamic law …
At least I know where they are coming from (it’s the ones who want to make up their own law as they go along that is scary
)
La Shawn, I just read that he belonged to Christian Identity for only six months. That was because the father of the woman he was dating at the time was a member.
NYgirl, let me see if I got this straight.
Nuture a nietzsche/secular worldview, but associate with “christians” for a NY minute, get branded as a wacko/extremist/fundamentalist Christian for life.
Nuture a klan/spawn of satan worldview, but associate with “liberals” for a NY minute, get branded for life as an god-fearing American hero/patriot & liberal democrat for life.
Yup, sounds like our beloved MSM. Content matters not, only right meme.
“I was born a Catholic, and with forgiveness I hope to die one.” — Eric Rudolph, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/8n9so
Non-tiny link:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/11386148.htm
FunTed, based on his actions, he’s headed for hell unless he repents. Even so, forgiveness won’t save him from his appointed date.
How about you? Are you ready for judgement day?
Andy/Matt Brown,
Any doggedly literal interpretation of a sacred text will produce “distasteful” precepts for action that are anathema to fellow believers. I tremble to accept that your logic demands we dismiss all Muslims who do not righteously murder infidels as somehow not “proper” Muslims.
Personally, I feel Islam badly needs a Reformation. I’ve also tried to read the Koran and – without getting into a selective quotes competition – find it extremely hard to disentangle the sometimes extraordinarily rich metaphors to understand both what’s being said and why there appear to be profound contradictions. This – I politely venture to say – applies to all sacred texts, as history shows us.
Jody, I have no problem with islam undergoing a reformation and would welcome it in a socio-politic sense. However, as Christians, we’re told that no man comes to the Father but by Jesus.
I’m not sure that I or most Christians hold to a ‘doggedly literal interprettion of a sacred text’, so much as we know who the real author is of the koran. Remember, the first act of evil committed in the Garden of Eden was the lie given to Eve by the serpent. Satan is the father of lies and any of his inspired texts are based on lies.
Plus the fact that islam is the only major religion that is a religion of peace thru war.
So while a reformed muslim would be peaceful, he is still lost spiritually, as would a hindu, buddhist or orthodox Jew.
#30 Andy, that sounds about right. Wonderful world we live in, no?
Andy,
Fair comment – and this next also said very respectfully. As long as you concede that “so much as we know who the real author is of the koran…” is PRECISELY what I mean by a doggedly literal reading of YOUR sacred text. You “know” in your heart that your text is true, and so – naturally – does the other chap. Both of you will argue with precisely the same circularity and sincerity. Thus the reformed Muslim will see a complex metaphor where the fundamentalist sees permission for slaughter. Both deny it is a matter of perception. This, of course, is the very nature of faith.
“Content matters not, only right meme.”
Andy came up as Yoda on the which sci-fi character are you quiz.
This guy purveys a worldview that is not Christian, but since you must be Radical, fundamental Christian in order to oppose abortion, he has to be a Christian. That’s how enlightened our hard core pro-choicer’s have become: only an idiot, ignorant, wife-beating, fundamental, Bible-thumping Christian can be opposed to abortion. To them makes no sense for people to oppose it under any circumstance. And people like myself get branded for stereotyping. Geez.
Beware the dark side, young jedi
Andy,
Will you stop that doggedly literal reding of YOUR (did I get enough contempt in the YOUR for ya) sacred text (your made PC Jody squirm and might tickoff a Muslim)
Funnily enough, Renee, I am so un-PC I make myself uneasy. And there was no contempt at all in my emphasized “your” – I was simply drawing attention to the possessive. For each person who “knows” their text is the sacred one, there is someone else claiming this exclusively for another. Do I want to “tick off” every extremist Muslim who insists on personal, divine instructions and permission for slaughter? You betcha.
Jody, that’s the thing about faith in things unseen. Back in the early 70s, I knew a missionary family whose son converted to islam and I’ve known muslims who have converted to Christianity. However, I think when people truly study how these two faiths came into being, there can be no doubt that islam has an illogical take-off from the OT scriptures.
Orthodox Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah, and so, they are still “waiting” on God to fulfill his promise to send the Lamb. Islam on the other hand dispute the notion of a messiah and place Mohammed as the last prophet.
This is so totally at odds with the OT that either a) both the OT and the koran are a lie, or
b) OT is true, but not the koran.
It is logically impossible for both to be true let alone hold the koran as truth on the basis of OT lies.
That said, I wonder to what are islamic politicians/judges promising when they swear upon the koran to uphold their office — that it’s okay to lie when expedient?
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