Comments on: Irreligious Hypocrites

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:18:22 +0000

Jody, that’s the thing about faith in things unseen. Back in the early 70s, I knew a missionary family whose son converted to islam and I’ve known muslims who have converted to Christianity. However, I think when people truly study how these two faiths came into being, there can be no doubt that islam has an illogical take-off from the OT scriptures.

Orthodox Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah, and so, they are still “waiting” on God to fulfill his promise to send the Lamb. Islam on the other hand dispute the notion of a messiah and place Mohammed as the last prophet.

This is so totally at odds with the OT that either a) both the OT and the koran are a lie, or
b) OT is true, but not the koran.

It is logically impossible for both to be true let alone hold the koran as truth on the basis of OT lies.

That said, I wonder to what are islamic politicians/judges promising when they swear upon the koran to uphold their office — that it’s okay to lie when expedient?

By: Jody Tresidder

Jody Tresidder — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:35:14 +0000

Funnily enough, Renee, I am so un-PC I make myself uneasy. And there was no contempt at all in my emphasized “your” – I was simply drawing attention to the possessive. For each person who “knows” their text is the sacred one, there is someone else claiming this exclusively for another. Do I want to “tick off” every extremist Muslim who insists on personal, divine instructions and permission for slaughter? You betcha.

By: Renee

Renee — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:15 +0000

Andy,
Will you stop that doggedly literal reding of YOUR (did I get enough contempt in the YOUR for ya) sacred text (your made PC Jody squirm and might tickoff a Muslim)

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:56:37 +0000

Beware the dark side, young jedi

By: Chris Roberts

Chris Roberts — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:01:04 +0000

“Content matters not, only right meme.”

Andy came up as Yoda on the which sci-fi character are you quiz.

This guy purveys a worldview that is not Christian, but since you must be Radical, fundamental Christian in order to oppose abortion, he has to be a Christian. That’s how enlightened our hard core pro-choicer’s have become: only an idiot, ignorant, wife-beating, fundamental, Bible-thumping Christian can be opposed to abortion. To them makes no sense for people to oppose it under any circumstance. And people like myself get branded for stereotyping. Geez.

By: Jody Tresidder

Jody Tresidder — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:48:49 +0000

Andy,
Fair comment – and this next also said very respectfully. As long as you concede that “so much as we know who the real author is of the koran…” is PRECISELY what I mean by a doggedly literal reading of YOUR sacred text. You “know” in your heart that your text is true, and so – naturally – does the other chap. Both of you will argue with precisely the same circularity and sincerity. Thus the reformed Muslim will see a complex metaphor where the fundamentalist sees permission for slaughter. Both deny it is a matter of perception. This, of course, is the very nature of faith.

By: NYgirl

NYgirl — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:44:58 +0000

#30 Andy, that sounds about right. Wonderful world we live in, no?

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:04:52 +0000

Jody, I have no problem with islam undergoing a reformation and would welcome it in a socio-politic sense. However, as Christians, we’re told that no man comes to the Father but by Jesus.

I’m not sure that I or most Christians hold to a ‘doggedly literal interprettion of a sacred text’, so much as we know who the real author is of the koran. Remember, the first act of evil committed in the Garden of Eden was the lie given to Eve by the serpent. Satan is the father of lies and any of his inspired texts are based on lies.

Plus the fact that islam is the only major religion that is a religion of peace thru war.

So while a reformed muslim would be peaceful, he is still lost spiritually, as would a hindu, buddhist or orthodox Jew.

By: Jody Tresidder

Jody Tresidder — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:16:11 +0000

Andy/Matt Brown,
Any doggedly literal interpretation of a sacred text will produce “distasteful” precepts for action that are anathema to fellow believers. I tremble to accept that your logic demands we dismiss all Muslims who do not righteously murder infidels as somehow not “proper” Muslims.
Personally, I feel Islam badly needs a Reformation. I’ve also tried to read the Koran and – without getting into a selective quotes competition – find it extremely hard to disentangle the sometimes extraordinarily rich metaphors to understand both what’s being said and why there appear to be profound contradictions. This – I politely venture to say – applies to all sacred texts, as history shows us.

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:40:59 +0000

FunTed, based on his actions, he’s headed for hell unless he repents. Even so, forgiveness won’t save him from his appointed date.

How about you? Are you ready for judgement day?

By: FunTed

FunTed — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:36:56 +0000

Non-tiny link:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/11386148.htm

By: FunTed

FunTed — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:25:39 +0000

“I was born a Catholic, and with forgiveness I hope to die one.” — Eric Rudolph, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/8n9so

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:24:28 +0000

NYgirl, let me see if I got this straight.

Nuture a nietzsche/secular worldview, but associate with “christians” for a NY minute, get branded as a wacko/extremist/fundamentalist Christian for life.

Nuture a klan/spawn of satan worldview, but associate with “liberals” for a NY minute, get branded for life as an god-fearing American hero/patriot & liberal democrat for life.

Yup, sounds like our beloved MSM. Content matters not, only right meme.

By: Salient Points

Salient Points — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:55:00 +0000

Quote of the Day

My Quote of the Day comes courtesy of La Shawn Barber, who quotes “Christian” serial bomber Eric Rudolph. Rudolph says, in part: “I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible.”

By: NYgirl

NYgirl — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:28:26 +0000

La Shawn, I just read that he belonged to Christian Identity for only six months. That was because the father of the woman he was dating at the time was a member.