It’s strange how people get upset over surface-level junk like this, yet show not the slightest bit of outrage over government-subsidized garbage like this.
Unless someone with sense intervenes, low-performing poor black kids will grow up to be low-performing poor adults.
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From the article:
“Ebonics is a different language, it’s not slang as many believe,’ Texeira said. “For many of these students Ebonics is their language, and it should be considered a foreign language. These students should be taught like other students who speak a foreign language.’
Sorry, Mr. Texeira, “ebonics” is a dialect. Fortunately for the “ebonics” laden kid he is bombarded with television that he can readily understand and none of it is in “ebonics.”
So treating it as a foreign language is a waste of valuable time and it lets the child go through the critical fundamental curriculum at a snail’s pace.
I have known many black teachers of yore who smacked the ebonics right out of the child.
If you insist on treating the “ebonics” speaking child as a special client with a disability, you will only succeed in creating a new crop of “victims” with all the attendant victim-pimps who will come out of the woodwork to create a terminology and dazzle the numbskull liberals with their brilliance.
As to the Ghetto festival in Miami, why is there no diversity? Shouldn’t they include the “rednecks”, the “crackers”, and the various gangs? And the contests should certainly include “pass the drug packs”, “spot the NARC”, “best graffiti tag”, “most original gang symbol”, “pork rind eating”, “switchblade tricks” and others.
LaShawn;
Lunacy exactly describes educational theories that cripple children. My son-in-law did not speak one word of English when he entered an English speaking school system. He says that he is so grateful that he did not have a compassionate liberal cripple him for life with a bi-lingual education. He speaks four languages fluently. As you know from e-mails, I grew up in a red-neck culture near the Appalachians. We, too, had a patois, that was quite distinct, distinguished by very poor grammar, mispronounciations, and made-up lingo.Adults around us were very harsh in their condemnation of our patois, as they correctly recognized that holding onto it would hamper our success in life.Some of us shucked it. Some of us didn’t. Those of us that did are very grateful for the kindness of the adults around us who cared enough about us to want us to succeed. Also, I appreciate the fact that no one thought we were incapable of learning how to speak properly. I would be so insulted by the assumptions of the California school system, which apparently has a very low expectation of its black students. Ultimately, it is a cynical ploy to buy votes, secure power, and rake in funding for the unions. It has nothing to do with helping children succeed.
La Shawn…
You’ve outdone yourself on titles
“Ghetto Me This”….:-) Excellent
“Unless someone with sense intervenes, low-performing poor black kids will grow up to be low-performing poor adults.”
Couldn’t agree more. The kids I get in high school haven’t a clue to what makes a good student. They’ve been run through the system and know that they’ll just get by and graduate anyway. How do you deal with kids who have been instilled with a don’t care attitude?
Low expectations and social promotion still exists rampantly in our school systems, and the end result will is low performing adults who guess what: take more hard earned money away from the people who are doing it right.
Thanks LB for continuing to point out the disgusting way that the government and libs pander and waste our money.
LaShawn, your thoughts on this? Is this letter ebonics or what? I didnt mention this but it is from a soon to be graduating student at a HBCU.
Is this what our affirmative action dollars are producing?
http://psimo.blogspot.com/2005/07/what-you-sed-in-all-over.html
#1:
As to the Ghetto festival in Miami, why is there no diversity? Shouldn’t they include the “rednecksâ€, the “crackersâ€, and the various gangs? And the contests should certainly include “pass the drug packsâ€, “spot the NARCâ€, “best graffiti tagâ€, “most original gang symbolâ€, “pork rind eatingâ€, “switchblade tricks†and others.
That is funny.
James,
For some reason I thought of the movie “I’m Gonna Get You Sucka” reading osme of your contest. Anyone remember the “strip the car fastest contest”?
Honestly, eduacators that support these type of low expectation programs should be charged with child abouse. The damage these misguided individuals inflict pales in comparison to the old “seperate but equal” mess. Black folks, do you ever regret that your children ended up in the hands of guilt ridden, equivicating, white liberal lunatics? The government has got to get out of education so some common sense can get back in education.
I owe the “props” to Heliotrope on #1 for the contest
California has denied any incorporation of ebonics into its school system. They tried this in the 80’s and it didn’t fly.
Jan, nice, thoughtful comments.
LaShawn, your “Ghetto me this” says it all. Words evolve in our language, and ‘ghetto’ is now just an anything slang word that carries no racial overtones to it. What is cool about it is that like another word we all know well, ‘ghetto’ can be used as any part of speech. Get used to it. And get over it. Humor can disintegrate shame and bring about acceptance and awareness and make us all the better for it.
Although… I laughed out loud at the request for ‘diversity’… oh, hahaha….. TOO funny. yeah, let’s just get over it all..
Heliotrope has already touched upon this, but I wonder what the ebonics pushers would think of a school program to use Redneck-ese with those students coming from that background? Ah ain’t hardly got no idee, but I bet them folks wood be guldurn powrful unhapy.
And what would they think if Miami organized a Redneck Jamboree, complete with a Skoal-spitting-for-distance contest and a ribbon given to the guy wearing the grubbiest Caterpillar cap?
Renee:
That was a great movie. I can think of a couple of other ghetto games like: “Where’s Pookie” and “Duck Duck Drive by”. And we can’t forget the new kicking games called “Don’t Rodney King Me”.
Last night, as I was reading LaShawn’s blog, I actually heard another ‘gobsmacker’. A school district has decided to disallow the word ‘FAIL’ in its system in any form. Teachers may not even breathe the word to a soul. Instead, they are going to use the term ‘DEFERRED SUCCESS’! It’s junk like this that let’s me know I’m in the Land of Oz. By the way,for how long is a child’s success deferred ( a lifetime?), and at what expense to the child? Misguided educators, who think they can hand a child self esteem on a platter, only end up destroying the child’s self esteem, when the child finds out that they don’t know anything, and cannot compete in the world! How kind ISN’T that? Schools need to start educating the kids, and stop with the self esteem, liberalism, and guilt!
a “well rounded” education includes physical fitness, art, music and theater. Not an education in ebonics. “well rounded” educated students can at least speak proper English and be expected to perform at their highest levels. Ebonics only caters to the worst aspects of the black experience in America, and adds to the already swelled rolls of welfare by people who don’t understand why they can’t get a job when no one understands what is coming out of their mouths.
Ebonics
Black activists are so clueless about ebonics that they don’t know it’s origins – well discussed by Thomas Sowell and others.
Ebonics is derived from – GASP – HOW CAN THIS BE? – White man’s “Redneck Talk”.
Sorry – Black people don’t have an exclusive on ebonics.
Ghetto Talent Show
Like ebonics, Black people don’t have an exclusive on “ghetto” or “watermelon”.
In fact, I visited the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw, Poland. These ghetto-dwellers were White.
Likewise, this “Rich White Male” grew up and still do LOVE MY WATERMELON.
Ghetto is not a black term. It is a Polish-Jewish term.
Wynton Marsalis caught a lot of flak for slamming hip-hop and rap music, and we could debate that subject all day. But his opinions are surely valid about the cultural chasm opening up in America:
“As Americans, it’s more important than ever that we have a sense of our identity. When you look at a Stuart Davis painting, or listen to Charlie Parker play the saxophone, or watch an Arthur Miller play, you are living an important part of the American experience … We need a generation of diplomats who understand and take pride in our culture, and can share it with others.
“The power of great music is timeless. That’s why it remains an indispensable tool for teaching our youngsters … Music is one of the few things that transcends the boundaries of race, class, religion, and geography that too often divide us.
“Can you imagine a society where no one had an appreciation of music, or theater, or art? Where no one could perform, everybody’s lip-synching? Nobody could teach? Well believe me, that’s the direction we’re heading.”
Hip-hop and rap = drugs = violent crime = teenage pregnancy = AIDS.
Just another addictive vice screwing up lives. A few lucky ones on the come up, but sure to fall eventually.
Bob Johnson like Oprah Winfrey and Tavis Smiley are people who have sold their souls and made billions exploiting the evil, sense of hopelessness, stereotypes and dependency of black people. They have no honor in my eyes.
While I applaud their business acumen, I cannot forget how they earned their pay.
Redbeard;
Sadly, too much of what our children are taught is the culture of shame about America. We are a nation of apologists for all of the problems of the entire world. How wonderful is your vision of a ’shared’ appreciation of the beautiful aspects of our vibrant American experience! In today’s world, it just seems like we only want to see the UGLY. Then we wonder why our children grow up with no appreciation of fineness. We wonder why the culture is so coarsened. You’re right…we need to be uplifted, not constantly ground down.
Jan,
Deferred Success? Are you for real? Just when you thought you heard it all
Oops! I sent that trackback from my new blog and by habit put in the name of the other.
I have a nephew that plays music but his number one source for inspiration was R Kelly. I gave him a CD full of Curtis Mayfield, Sam Cook, Smokey Robinson and Nat King Cole. I also made him listen to Charlie Parker and Mile Davis. I like R Kelly, Jay Z and Destiny’s Child, but they can’t compare to the “Legends”. Kids aren’t being exposed to the arts anymore. I wish someone would try to teach my child Ebonics… There are time when I’m sitting at the table playing cards with the boys my vocabulary strays into “street talk”, but that’s the only place where you will find me talking like I’m host a show on BET.
As for “Deferred Success”… Lord have mercy.
That woman is a PROFESSOR and she doesn’t know that Ebonics is a dialect, not a language?
from the article on Ebonics:
“”Everybody has prejudices, but we must all learn to control that behavior,’ Texeira said. She said a child’s self confidence is tied to his or her cultural identity.”
That’s strange. I thought a child’s self-confidence came with mastery of new challenges. You know, like reading, writing, and mathematics.
Can you imagine what Darth Vader would sound like if James Earl Jones spoke “Ebonics”?
ROTFLOL
Yo, Lukie-Luke, I be yo p**p daddy.
mj, the professoress was a deferred success when they promoted her to fulfill their ‘balanced’ quota.
I have to take a couple of whacks at the Ghetto-Fest:
““The word ‘ghetto’ was used to imply a down home show, not something offensive, but embracing the culture of today’s youth and their language,” he said.
Church and community leaders said that changing the name isn’t enough — the damage has already been done.”
Ummm, didn’t they see the warning signs when hip-hop, ebonics, trash TV, schock jocks & deferred success were elevated and idolized? Methinks the church/community leaders deferred action all these years until the damage was permanent.
“Other critics said that the watermelon eating contest is a painful reminder of racially insensitive stereotypes.”
Painful for whom? Dare I say that perhaps 40-60% of today’s blacks have never personally experienced that particular stereotype?
““Watermelon, back in the days, was a good food for African Americans, according to the Bible, but at the same time, it had an attachment with slavery and bondage ties,” the Rev. Carl Johnson said.”
Hey preacherman, care to hip me to that bible verse(s)? Looks like they’re handing out sheepskins for the deferred success in theology.
I think both stories are equally offensive.
Andy: what do you mean?
If an educator had decided to embrace the redneck patois that I learned growing up, to reinforce my self esteem as part of my cultural identity, I guarantee that she would have experienced ‘DEFERRED SUCCESS’! I would go so far as to say that she would have been laughed right out of her job, if she wasn’t fired first.
March Hare, you are right about self esteem emanating from mastery. Once again, it’s stupid to think you can just hand self esteem to kids on a plate.
By the way, I enjoyed everyone’s blog play on the euphemism for failure called ‘deferred success’. And, I am serious. It was on the news.I wouldn’t be able to dream up something that ridiculous.
“…redneck patois…”
“Deferred success” for sure, Jan.
I’m trilingual (English, Redneck and Hoosier)
so I can relate to your comments. 
Most of my redneck-speaking acquaintances fail to recognize the handicap under which they labor. They don’t understand that using the common double negative form, or mixing up their pronouns, in a job interview will guarantee them a low-level position and keep them from advancement. The ability to speak and communicate correctly is perhaps the most important factor in that critical first impression stage of a job interview.
Given that critical importance, why on earth would any so-called educators be willing to lower standards, or worse, to actively push for lowered standards? Are they deliberately trying to torpedo the futures of the kids in their charge? Or are they so mind-numbingly ignorant that they can’t see the disservice they’re doing?
Man, I am going to talk about both of these issues on my show tonight. I do a lot of mentoring, and one of my college girls told me her english teacher arbitrarily tried to introduce something called “black english”. I am going to drop the hammer on it fo shizzle…
“Hip-hop and rap = drugs = violent crime = teenage pregnancy = AIDS.”
Actually, drugs, violent crime, teenage pregnance, etc. existed in the black community before rap and hip-hop ever became popular. For anyone familiar with it, the first decade of the music form’s popularity involved basically innocent lyrics. The “gangsta” element took over the music form later and was supported by the crossover audience.
The emergence of bad lyrics and thuggishness within rap music does not really cause the stated problems in the black community so much as is a reflection of the problems. If rap music was eliminated, those problems would still exist and would continue to exist until the black community elevates its standards across the board to a level that insures success. Black kids with strong families and strong fathers who prioritize excellence in education and life will not hardly be influence by listening to “gangsta” rap. Heavy metal rock music is just as bad, yet many of the kids who listen to it are in stable homes, though the sex, drug use, suicide elements of metal do occasionally rear their ugly heads with kids who were already at risk.
Anthony, I hope that wasn’t your attempt to disequate the terms I posted with the other terms.
You cannot lessen the evil nature and the influence of hip hop by pointing out other sins and malodies.
Also calling hip-hop music is a stretch in and of itself.
I agree with you that hip hop is not the cause and I never said it was, but it certainly is a contributory exacerbation factor.
Heavy metal is just as bad…..no it is not. Nice try with the moral relativism. You sound like the people who made excuses for Clinton’s whorish ways by saying that “everyoone does it.” A major logical fallacy indeed.
Anthony, no gangsta-rap didn’t cause it, it just glamorized it thus accelerating all that we find distateful.
Anthony: This just for you since you obviously have never read it:
Amendment IV – Search and seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I’m sorry. Heavy metal is at least as bad if not worse. I can equally say that it is a stretch to call metal music. One would disagree with me on this based solely on metal being a form of music that that person grew up listening to, henceforth a personal bias. I can cite metal lyrics that involve sex with the dead, satan worship, suicide, violence, etc.
Rap music is not bad. No music is bad. LYRICS are bad. As I said, the first decade of rap involved innocent lyrics whereas Will Smith made comical raps, Curtis Blow rapped about how basketball was his favorite sport, MC Hammer rapped about the power of prayer, Run DMC rapped about their tennis shoes, etc. Most of it was composed of rappers bragging about their rhymes. Even today, Nick Cannon (I believe that is his name) made a pro-life rap.
Not liking the music form is a matter of personal preference and opinion. That doesn’t make the music form bad. Lyrics are bad, not the music. There are some rappers who are trying to push socially conscious raps, but the mainstream media gives them little attention.
Also, being that 66% of the rap audience is white, I have seen no indication that those suburban kids are going out committing violent acts in their community. Seems like their stable homes override some stupid lyrics.
“Anthony, no gangsta-rap didn’t cause it, it just glamorized it thus accelerating all that we find distateful.”
Television does the same thing. Is television inherently bad? Yes, it may add a little fuel an already burning fire, but what this ammounts to is the blame game.
If my children end up developing into individuals of low quality, I wouldn’t blame music, television, society, the white man, etc. I would blame MYSELF.
Nope, you are wrong. Heavy metal didn’t inpire an entire race to act like royal fools and destroy itself.
Heavy metal is not on the front pages for calling women “b”s and hoes and glorifying the use of, sale of, distribution of drugs. Heavy metal has committed many sins, but it is a genre targeted at kids from already strong family backgrounds who can usually insulate themselves from the madness. White kids who listen to heavy metal understand that is is a fantasy world used as a cathartic release. Negroes on the other hand actually go out an live the words and culture professed by the morons who purvey hip hops filth.
Use the smell test my man. For you to compare Luke, Jay-Z, The Cash-Money Morons, Ying-Yang Twins and Fantasia(”Baby Mama”) to Metallica, Pink Floyd or Twisted Sister is just plain buffoonery.
Whether it is heavy metal trash or rap trash, it is probably fair to say that both are reflective and causitive factors in our society. Behavior is quite complex, and no single isolated influence can be said to ’cause’ a behavior in and of itself, as that influence does not exist in a vacuum. However, heavy metal and rap bile lead to a coarsening of respect for one another, and a lowering of standards of decency. There is a synergistic aspect to this, though, because sewage in the guise of ‘entertainment’ is also a reflection of the degeneration of our culture. So, round and round the mulberry bush we go.
“Nope, you are wrong. Heavy metal didn’t inpire an entire race to act like royal fools and destroy itself.”
So all black people act like fools? Interesting.
Those who do act like fools would act like fools with or without rap. Those white kids who make suicide pacts, cut themselves, and do drugs would do so with or without metal. Doesn’t change the fact that metal is at least as equally vile as gangsta rap.
Twisted sister is a good example of confusing gender roles. You convenient list what may be the least vile artists while ignoring Megadeth, Black Messiah, Ozzy Osborne, Marylin Manson, etc. Nice try.
Rap music has little effect on middle class blacks and poor whites seemingly don’t generally listen to Heavy Metal. Doesn’t change the fact that Heavy Metal is generally low quality music that promotes very un-Christian ideals. So lets not be such a hypocrite.
And Jan Brauner
You make a very intelligent and unbiased observation that makes great sense. Thank you.
“Nope, you are wrong. Heavy metal didn’t inpire an entire race to act like royal fools and destroy itself.”
So all black people act like fools? Interesting.
Those who do act like fools would act like fools with or without rap. Those white kids who make suicide pacts, cut themselves, and do drugs would do so with or without metal. Doesn’t change the fact that metal is at least as equally vile as gangsta rap.
As for you statement about lyrics on the front page, blame the mainstream media for putting all of its attention on rap as opposed to metal.
Twisted sister is a good example of confusing gender roles. You convenient list what may be the least vile artists while ignoring Megadeth, Black Messiah, Ozzy Osborne, Marylin Manson, etc. Nice try.
Rap music has little effect on middle class blacks and poor whites seemingly don’t generally listen to Heavy Metal. Doesn’t change the fact that Heavy Metal is generally low quality music that promotes very un-Christian ideals. So lets not be such a hypocrite.
And Jan Brauner
You make a very intelligent and unbiased observation that makes great sense. Thank you.
#43. I think I am talking to John Kerry with all of the nuancing going on here. You are another one of those people who use moral relatavism to try and make a point which can’t be made.
You miss the forest because you keep walking into trees.
Heavy Metal unlike rap and hip-hop (not that I am defending HM) requires musical AND instrumental talent. All hip-hop requires is a few nasty females shaking what their 13 year older mothers gave them and the ability to curse. Heavy Metal requires the ability to play a guitar, a keyboard, drums, and other instruments but I digress.
White people are not saddled with 70% out of wedlock birth rates. A disturbing number of their men are not in jail on drugs, gay or on their way to either. White folk are not using being a rapper or basketball player as viable career choices.
The lunatics you mention who do stupid things in white America amount to a bed mite on an elephant’s butt compared to the percentage of our people who are shooting bad due to a sick culture called the hip-hop culture. I would dare say the even “being Black” is nothing to be proud of anymore seeing as how it is defined.
I’ll just be a plain old American thank you very much.
Forget cause and effect, chicken and egg. Think of R. Kelly and Marylin Manson as social barometers. The warning is clear.
Redbeard, I see the point you make, BUT you have got to admit that R. Kelly has more of an impact on his audience demographic than M. Manson has on the caucasian collective.
I mean, R. Kelly actually gets a pass from us and our little girls still buy and love his music. What’s wrong with that picture? You’d think that an alleged pedophile rapist would garner more scorn. Instead, we embrace the boy. Unlike MJ, there was evidence against him on tape and he STILL got a pass.
Raymond,
While I understand your frustration, and to a large degree share your thoughts, please understand that there is more to hip-hop music (as with heavy metal, and insert-your-favorite-maligned-artform-here) than just the immediate generalities that you are missing.
No music makes anyone do anything. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
If ( and Raymond, I am NOT speaking to you here, I don’t know you) your son/daughter is a knucklehead…don’t blame rap music. They have some (sometimes all) the responsibility for the decisions that they made. The music isn’t anything more than what it is, music.
“Granted, 9 to 5 is how you survive
I ain’t trying to survive
I’m trying to live it to the limit
and love it alot.”
Personally, I use this verse (Jay Z) to remind me why I work 60+ hours a week. I could go home at 5:30 every day, but then I couldn’t in good conscience, wonder why I haven’t achieved all that I set out to do. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
Not music.
Raymond
Heavy Metal is noise. LOUD screaming noisy music void of any rhythm. You are a hypocrite. You want to defend some satanic, suicidal, gender bending, apocalyptic, godless music as being better than rap.
And again, someone pointed out to you “cause and effect”. Thugs created gangsta rap, not the other way around. A lot of rap doesn’t fit into this category yet those are ignored. Gangsta rap would be close to being history if not for its biggest audience, white youth. You can go around with the strawman tactic of citing statistics about black problems all day, and trying to point out the most negative things you can find. I’m sure you enjoy doing that, but it doesn’t change the fact that heavy metal is a vile form of music on par with gangsta rap if not worse. So deal with it.
But that’s the problem Stephen. Generalities are lame as hell to me. It totally ignores the exceptions and such people love to paint a broad picture. I would never paint heavy metal with such a broad brush if not for the sake of pointing out the hypocracy here. Metal is a music form that I generally care not for but that doesn’t make it bad. The lyrics are very often very bad and I don’t like that. I don’t like bad lyrics at all, but folks act as if innocent lyrics and rap cannot go together; as if Kid n Play never existed, as if Houdini never existed, as if Salt n Pepa never existed, and on and on.
I tire of a bunch of folks from the outside putting the black community under a microscope solely for the purpose of put down, trying to convince the world that nothing good comes our of it. They ignore that most blacks don’t listen to rap music. They ignore that most blacks are middle class and have received no benefit from the pointless affirmative action. But let them find a problem and see how it is thrown in our faces of how inferior the black man is.
Let’s reframe this argument, I never said hip-hop was a cause.
Unfortunately, the word EBONICS is a lightening rod for knee jerk reactions as demonstrated with these posts. I would strike it from the language as much as I would strike the n-word if I had the solo power to make it so.Rather than get caught up with whether there is some legitimate language lurking here or whether hip hop is the trojan horse spreading the language, give the San Bernardino City School Board some kudos for spending the extra resources to make sure black students who have not performed well in the past are getting the help they need to improve. Believe me, plenty of white kids in San Bernardino need the extra help, too. No-Child-Left-Behind mandates that districts track the sub groups, which includes, racial, income, gender and other subgroup types. If some improve but others do not, districts must identify barriers to success and direct resources to overcome the barriers for the students in the subgroup. Certainly we can see the SBC School Board is doing it’s job by helping black students improve. And certainly we can all get behind that, yes?
brotherbrown, no we can’t get behind lamebrained programs that lower the standard. Raising them is what all public school kids need — more 3 R’s and less PC sensitivity, more discipline and less psychobabbling about root causes, more red pen grading and less purple ink, more phsyical conditioning/competitiveness (winners and losers) and less sex ed. They’ll all be winners for it and prepared to assume the real world adult life.
Ebonics is no panacea for mental stressing and stimulation.
Dell Gines;
You said you have a show. When and where?
The San Bernardino School Board is not lowering standards, it is putting support programs in place to help bring underperforming students up to standards.
Pay attention to the facts, and ignore the hysteria. Unless you just like to spread misinformation. This is all about improving language proficiency.
BB, how on earth is it going to help underperforming students if the teachers and administration legitimize a substandard form of the language?
As I’ve mentioned before, that makes about as much sense as legitimizing Redneck-ese in schools heavily populated with poor rural white kids. I can just see the lesson plans now:
“Arrrite, y’all pay ‘tension cuz you got ta larn stuff. We ain’t hardly gonna let y’all young’uns git by without larnin’ yer cypherin’, so git yer books outta them thar tote sacks an’ commence ta doin’ yer 2 plus 2s. Take off yer shoes if’n you need numbers bigger’n 10. YeeeeHaaawwwww!!!”
Redbeard. I am shocked and offended.
It is nummers, not numbers.
Still, if any school disctrict wants to do the same for rednecks, I am sure Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy will be there to help with the courses.
Dang it, I plumb fergot ’bout them nummers. That’s cuz I ain’t hardly got no fetchins-up nohow.
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