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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56396</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang it, I plumb fergot &#039;bout them &lt;em&gt;nummers&lt;/em&gt;.  That&#039;s cuz I ain&#039;t hardly got no fetchins-up nohow.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang it, I plumb fergot &#8217;bout them <em>nummers</em>.  That&#8217;s cuz I ain&#8217;t hardly got no fetchins-up nohow.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56389</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard.  I am shocked and offended.
It is nummers, not numbers.
Still, if any school disctrict wants to do the same for rednecks, I am sure Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy will be there to help with the courses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard.  I am shocked and offended.<br />
It is nummers, not numbers.<br />
Still, if any school disctrict wants to do the same for rednecks, I am sure Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy will be there to help with the courses.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56385</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB, how on earth is it going to help underperforming students if the teachers and administration legitimize a substandard form of the language?  

As I&#039;ve mentioned before, that makes about as much sense as legitimizing Redneck-ese in schools heavily populated with poor rural white kids.  I can just see the lesson plans now:

&quot;Arrrite, y&#039;all pay &#039;tension cuz you got ta larn stuff.  We ain&#039;t hardly gonna let y&#039;all young&#039;uns git by without larnin&#039; yer cypherin&#039;, so git yer books outta them thar tote sacks an&#039; commence ta doin&#039; yer 2 plus 2s.  Take off yer shoes if&#039;n you need numbers bigger&#039;n 10.  YeeeeHaaawwwww!!!&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, how on earth is it going to help underperforming students if the teachers and administration legitimize a substandard form of the language?  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, that makes about as much sense as legitimizing Redneck-ese in schools heavily populated with poor rural white kids.  I can just see the lesson plans now:</p>
<p>&#8220;Arrrite, y&#8217;all pay &#8216;tension cuz you got ta larn stuff.  We ain&#8217;t hardly gonna let y&#8217;all young&#8217;uns git by without larnin&#8217; yer cypherin&#8217;, so git yer books outta them thar tote sacks an&#8217; commence ta doin&#8217; yer 2 plus 2s.  Take off yer shoes if&#8217;n you need numbers bigger&#8217;n 10.  YeeeeHaaawwwww!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: brotherbrown</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56379</link>
		<dc:creator>brotherbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The San Bernardino School Board is not lowering standards, it is putting support programs in place to help bring underperforming students up to standards.  

Pay attention to the facts, and ignore the hysteria.  Unless you just like to spread misinformation.  This is all about improving language proficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The San Bernardino School Board is not lowering standards, it is putting support programs in place to help bring underperforming students up to standards.  </p>
<p>Pay attention to the facts, and ignore the hysteria.  Unless you just like to spread misinformation.  This is all about improving language proficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56360</link>
		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell Gines;

You said you have a show. When and where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell Gines;</p>
<p>You said you have a show. When and where?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56352</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brotherbrown, no we can&#039;t get behind lamebrained programs that lower the standard.  Raising them is what all public school kids need -- more 3 R&#039;s and less PC sensitivity, more discipline and less psychobabbling about root causes, more red pen grading and less purple ink, more phsyical conditioning/competitiveness (winners and losers) and less sex ed.  They&#039;ll all be winners for it and prepared to assume the real world adult life.

Ebonics is no panacea for mental stressing and stimulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brotherbrown, no we can&#8217;t get behind lamebrained programs that lower the standard.  Raising them is what all public school kids need &#8212; more 3 R&#8217;s and less PC sensitivity, more discipline and less psychobabbling about root causes, more red pen grading and less purple ink, more phsyical conditioning/competitiveness (winners and losers) and less sex ed.  They&#8217;ll all be winners for it and prepared to assume the real world adult life.</p>
<p>Ebonics is no panacea for mental stressing and stimulation.</p>
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		<title>By: brotherbrown</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-2/#comment-56339</link>
		<dc:creator>brotherbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the word EBONICS is a lightening rod for knee jerk reactions as demonstrated with these posts.  I would strike it from the language as much as I would strike the n-word if I had the solo power to make it so.Rather than get caught up with whether there is some legitimate language lurking here or whether hip hop is the trojan horse spreading the language, give the San Bernardino City School Board some kudos for spending the extra resources to make sure black students who have not performed well in the past are getting the help they need to improve.  Believe me, plenty of white kids in San Bernardino need the extra help, too.  No-Child-Left-Behind mandates that districts track the sub groups, which includes, racial, income, gender and other subgroup types.  If some improve but others do not, districts must identify barriers to success and direct resources to overcome the barriers for the students in the subgroup. Certainly we can see the SBC School Board is doing it&#039;s job by helping black students improve. And certainly we can all get behind that, yes? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the word EBONICS is a lightening rod for knee jerk reactions as demonstrated with these posts.  I would strike it from the language as much as I would strike the n-word if I had the solo power to make it so.Rather than get caught up with whether there is some legitimate language lurking here or whether hip hop is the trojan horse spreading the language, give the San Bernardino City School Board some kudos for spending the extra resources to make sure black students who have not performed well in the past are getting the help they need to improve.  Believe me, plenty of white kids in San Bernardino need the extra help, too.  No-Child-Left-Behind mandates that districts track the sub groups, which includes, racial, income, gender and other subgroup types.  If some improve but others do not, districts must identify barriers to success and direct resources to overcome the barriers for the students in the subgroup. Certainly we can see the SBC School Board is doing it&#8217;s job by helping black students improve. And certainly we can all get behind that, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s reframe this argument, I never said hip-hop was a cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s reframe this argument, I never said hip-hop was a cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-56324</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that&#039;s the problem Stephen.  Generalities are lame as hell to me.  It totally ignores the exceptions and such people love to paint a broad picture.  I would never paint heavy metal with such a broad brush if not for the sake of pointing out the hypocracy here.  Metal is a music form that I generally care not for but that doesn&#039;t make it bad.  The lyrics are very often very bad and I don&#039;t like that.  I don&#039;t like bad lyrics at all, but folks act as if innocent lyrics and rap cannot go together; as if Kid n Play never existed, as if Houdini never existed, as if Salt n Pepa never existed, and on and on.

I tire of a bunch of folks from the outside putting the black community under a microscope solely for the purpose of put down, trying to convince the world that nothing good comes our of it.  They ignore that most blacks don&#039;t listen to rap music.  They ignore that most blacks are middle class and have received no benefit from the pointless affirmative action.  But let them find a problem and see how it is thrown in our faces of how inferior the black man is.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s the problem Stephen.  Generalities are lame as hell to me.  It totally ignores the exceptions and such people love to paint a broad picture.  I would never paint heavy metal with such a broad brush if not for the sake of pointing out the hypocracy here.  Metal is a music form that I generally care not for but that doesn&#8217;t make it bad.  The lyrics are very often very bad and I don&#8217;t like that.  I don&#8217;t like bad lyrics at all, but folks act as if innocent lyrics and rap cannot go together; as if Kid n Play never existed, as if Houdini never existed, as if Salt n Pepa never existed, and on and on.</p>
<p>I tire of a bunch of folks from the outside putting the black community under a microscope solely for the purpose of put down, trying to convince the world that nothing good comes our of it.  They ignore that most blacks don&#8217;t listen to rap music.  They ignore that most blacks are middle class and have received no benefit from the pointless affirmative action.  But let them find a problem and see how it is thrown in our faces of how inferior the black man is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-56320</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond

Heavy Metal is noise.  LOUD screaming noisy music void of any rhythm.  You are a hypocrite.  You want to defend some satanic, suicidal, gender bending, apocalyptic, godless music as being better than rap.  

And again, someone pointed out to you &quot;cause and effect&quot;.  Thugs created gangsta rap, not the other way around.  A lot of rap doesn&#039;t fit into this category yet those are ignored.  Gangsta rap would be close to being history if not for its biggest audience, white youth.  You can go around with the strawman tactic of citing statistics about black problems all day, and trying to point out the most negative things you can find. I&#039;m sure you enjoy doing that, but it doesn&#039;t change the fact that heavy metal is a vile form of music on par with gangsta rap if not worse.  So deal with it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond</p>
<p>Heavy Metal is noise.  LOUD screaming noisy music void of any rhythm.  You are a hypocrite.  You want to defend some satanic, suicidal, gender bending, apocalyptic, godless music as being better than rap.  </p>
<p>And again, someone pointed out to you &#8220;cause and effect&#8221;.  Thugs created gangsta rap, not the other way around.  A lot of rap doesn&#8217;t fit into this category yet those are ignored.  Gangsta rap would be close to being history if not for its biggest audience, white youth.  You can go around with the strawman tactic of citing statistics about black problems all day, and trying to point out the most negative things you can find. I&#8217;m sure you enjoy doing that, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that heavy metal is a vile form of music on par with gangsta rap if not worse.  So deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen johnson</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-56301</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond,

While I understand your frustration, and to a large degree share your thoughts, please understand that there is more to hip-hop music (as with heavy metal, and insert-your-favorite-maligned-artform-here) than just the immediate generalities that you are missing.

No music makes anyone do anything.  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

If ( and Raymond, I am NOT speaking to you here, I don&#039;t know you) your son/daughter is a knucklehead...don&#039;t blame rap music.  They have some (sometimes all) the responsibility for the decisions that they made.  The music isn&#039;t anything more than what it is, music.

&quot;Granted, 9 to 5 is how you survive
I ain&#039;t trying to survive
I&#039;m trying to live it to the limit
and love it alot.&quot;

Personally, I use this verse (Jay Z) to remind me why I work 60+ hours a week.  I could go home at 5:30 every day, but then I couldn&#039;t in good conscience, wonder why I haven&#039;t achieved all that I set out to do.  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Not music.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond,</p>
<p>While I understand your frustration, and to a large degree share your thoughts, please understand that there is more to hip-hop music (as with heavy metal, and insert-your-favorite-maligned-artform-here) than just the immediate generalities that you are missing.</p>
<p>No music makes anyone do anything.  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.</p>
<p>If ( and Raymond, I am NOT speaking to you here, I don&#8217;t know you) your son/daughter is a knucklehead&#8230;don&#8217;t blame rap music.  They have some (sometimes all) the responsibility for the decisions that they made.  The music isn&#8217;t anything more than what it is, music.</p>
<p>&#8220;Granted, 9 to 5 is how you survive<br />
I ain&#8217;t trying to survive<br />
I&#8217;m trying to live it to the limit<br />
and love it alot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I use this verse (Jay Z) to remind me why I work 60+ hours a week.  I could go home at 5:30 every day, but then I couldn&#8217;t in good conscience, wonder why I haven&#8217;t achieved all that I set out to do.  PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.</p>
<p>Not music.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-56278</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard, I see the point you make, BUT you have got to admit that R. Kelly has more of an impact on his  audience demographic than M. Manson has on the caucasian collective.

I mean, R. Kelly actually gets a pass from us and our little girls still buy and love his music.  What&#039;s wrong with that picture?  You&#039;d think that an  alleged pedophile rapist would garner more scorn.  Instead, we embrace the boy.  Unlike MJ, there was evidence against him on tape and he STILL got a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard, I see the point you make, BUT you have got to admit that R. Kelly has more of an impact on his  audience demographic than M. Manson has on the caucasian collective.</p>
<p>I mean, R. Kelly actually gets a pass from us and our little girls still buy and love his music.  What&#8217;s wrong with that picture?  You&#8217;d think that an  alleged pedophile rapist would garner more scorn.  Instead, we embrace the boy.  Unlike MJ, there was evidence against him on tape and he STILL got a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget cause and effect, chicken and egg.  Think of R. Kelly and Marylin Manson as social barometers.  The warning is clear.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget cause and effect, chicken and egg.  Think of R. Kelly and Marylin Manson as social barometers.  The warning is clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/07/27/ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-56250</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43.  I think I am talking to John Kerry with all of the nuancing going on here.  You are another one of those people who use moral relatavism to try and make a point which can&#039;t be made.

You miss the forest because you keep walking into trees.

Heavy Metal unlike rap and hip-hop (not that I am defending HM) requires musical AND instrumental talent.  All hip-hop requires is a few nasty females shaking what their 13 year older mothers gave them and the ability to curse.  Heavy Metal requires the ability to play a guitar, a keyboard,   drums, and other instruments but I digress.

White people are not saddled with 70% out of wedlock birth rates.  A disturbing number of their men are not in jail on drugs, gay or on their way to either.  White folk are not using being a rapper or basketball player as viable career choices.

The lunatics you mention who do stupid things in white America amount to a bed mite on an elephant&#039;s butt compared to the percentage of our people who are shooting bad due to a sick culture called the hip-hop culture.  I would dare say the even &quot;being Black&quot; is nothing to be proud of anymore seeing as how it is defined. 

I&#039;ll just be a plain old American thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43.  I think I am talking to John Kerry with all of the nuancing going on here.  You are another one of those people who use moral relatavism to try and make a point which can&#8217;t be made.</p>
<p>You miss the forest because you keep walking into trees.</p>
<p>Heavy Metal unlike rap and hip-hop (not that I am defending HM) requires musical AND instrumental talent.  All hip-hop requires is a few nasty females shaking what their 13 year older mothers gave them and the ability to curse.  Heavy Metal requires the ability to play a guitar, a keyboard,   drums, and other instruments but I digress.</p>
<p>White people are not saddled with 70% out of wedlock birth rates.  A disturbing number of their men are not in jail on drugs, gay or on their way to either.  White folk are not using being a rapper or basketball player as viable career choices.</p>
<p>The lunatics you mention who do stupid things in white America amount to a bed mite on an elephant&#8217;s butt compared to the percentage of our people who are shooting bad due to a sick culture called the hip-hop culture.  I would dare say the even &#8220;being Black&#8221; is nothing to be proud of anymore seeing as how it is defined. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just be a plain old American thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nope, you are wrong. Heavy metal didnâ€™t inpire an entire race to act like royal fools and destroy itself.&quot;

So all black people act like fools?  Interesting.
Those who do act like fools would act like fools with or without rap.  Those white kids who make suicide pacts, cut themselves, and do drugs would do so with or without metal.  Doesn&#039;t change the fact that metal is at least as equally vile as gangsta rap.

As for you statement about lyrics on the front page, blame the mainstream media for putting all of its attention on rap as opposed to metal.    

Twisted sister is a good example of confusing gender roles.  You convenient list what may be the least vile artists while ignoring Megadeth, Black Messiah, Ozzy Osborne, Marylin Manson, etc.  Nice try.  

Rap music has little effect on middle class blacks and poor whites seemingly don&#039;t generally listen to Heavy Metal.  Doesn&#039;t change the fact that Heavy Metal is generally low quality music that promotes very un-Christian ideals.  So lets not be such a hypocrite.

And Jan Brauner

You make a very intelligent and unbiased observation that makes great sense.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nope, you are wrong. Heavy metal didnâ€™t inpire an entire race to act like royal fools and destroy itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>So all black people act like fools?  Interesting.<br />
Those who do act like fools would act like fools with or without rap.  Those white kids who make suicide pacts, cut themselves, and do drugs would do so with or without metal.  Doesn&#8217;t change the fact that metal is at least as equally vile as gangsta rap.</p>
<p>As for you statement about lyrics on the front page, blame the mainstream media for putting all of its attention on rap as opposed to metal.    </p>
<p>Twisted sister is a good example of confusing gender roles.  You convenient list what may be the least vile artists while ignoring Megadeth, Black Messiah, Ozzy Osborne, Marylin Manson, etc.  Nice try.  </p>
<p>Rap music has little effect on middle class blacks and poor whites seemingly don&#8217;t generally listen to Heavy Metal.  Doesn&#8217;t change the fact that Heavy Metal is generally low quality music that promotes very un-Christian ideals.  So lets not be such a hypocrite.</p>
<p>And Jan Brauner</p>
<p>You make a very intelligent and unbiased observation that makes great sense.  Thank you.</p>
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