Least Favorite People on the Right

Now this should be INTERESTING. I’ll start: Ann Coulter.

1. Clarence Thomas
2. Armstrong Williams (yuck)
3. Michael Savage (he is just stupid)
4. Rush Limbaugh (I qualify this, I understand his game)
5. Sean Hannity (he isn’t that smart)
6. Ralph Reed (he gives Christianity a bad name)
7. Thomas Sowell (A goony fake)
8. Ann Coulter (hyperbolistic rhetoricist)
9. Pat Buchannon
10. Jerry Falwell (Gives christians a bad name)
11. Dinesh D’Souza (immigrant writer nut job)
12. John McCain (he is a sell out on both sides)

Hummm…I will have to think on the other two…

My favorite conservatives –

1. Alan Keyes (after I saw him shred Alan Dirshowitz in a debate I became a true fan)
2. Myself (I have to admit it, I am a big fan)
3. James Dobson (wife’s a big fan of focus on the family)
3. Newt Gingrich (he was a brilliant strategist)
4. Lee Terry (our NE congressman, solid guy, straight forward)
5. Ken Hamblin (at least when I was young and naive)

You know what LaShawn, I have sort of come around just a little bit on Walter Williams. He grew on me some when he filled in for Rush last week.

My least favorite people on the “right.”

- John McCain (cry baby, sissy, moderate)

- Bill O’Reilly (loudmouthed, arrogant, unprincipled, glory hound, egotistical goon.)

- Arlen Specter (is he really on the right?)

- Lincoln Chafee (linguine-wristed, unprincipled, punk moderate)

- George Voinovich (see McCain)

- Olympia Snowe (about as useless as a screen door on a submarine)

- Susan Collins (Who won? Then that’s the side I am on)

- James Dobson (doesn’t believe in spanking your kids and he believes you should let a child decide when he/she is ready for potty training). He is one of my favorites otherwise.

- Arnold Scwharzenegar (just a joke)

- Joe Scarborough (sold out to the left as soon as he landed his MSNBC gig)

- Mark Larsen (David Duke on the radio, racist garbage)

- Bill Frist (Soft as butter. This “man” couldn’t frighten a gay butterfly)

- FOX News producers (values only blonde white girls when it comes to missing people)

- John McCain again (just so he knows I am serious)

Based on the list at Hawkins’ site, and Dell’s above, I get the impression that republican bloggers don’t like strong conservatives. Buchanan, Falwell, or Robertson, I can understand, but Ann Coulter? Geez, maybe the feminists were right – maybe conservatives don’t like strong women. She’s correct on just about everything she says, and is strong in saying it, but she makes the list as one of the least liked? Color me confused.

And what in God’s name has Santorum done to deserve making this list? He’s an unabashed conservative, whom you know where he stands on all issues. I guess that’s too much for the current crop of godless, RINO bloggers.

It seems Republican bloggers want to be nice to Democrats, since their list would probably mirror the Democrats’ list. Sad, really. If this is the face of today’s Republican party, I’m switching to the Constitution party.

TV (Harry)

Inspector. While Dell is labeling HIMSELF a conservative, his reputation as established here does not support that assertion in any fashion.

I assume he is a very nice guy, but I would not call him a conservative. In fact, moderate is reaching.

Not to fret Dell. I’d drink a beer or two with you anytime.

I think Michael Savage is very obnoxious and full of despair. He’s also rude to callers and dabbles in conspiracy theory.

Dell, My test is simple. Either you is or you ain’t. I employ the age old, tried and true smell test.

I know it when I see it, but for the sake of debate I’ll throw you these bones. First of all, I have no freakin’ idea what a “neo-con” is and do not care to know.

Dell, the things you mention in #14 do make you somewhat conservative, but for some reason that is not the side that you promote on this blog.

Raymond in a nutshell:

- Christian or Jewish prayer reinstated in government schools.

- Mandatory reading of the Pledge of Allegiance in government schools

- Capital punishment for conviction of homosexual acts

- Marriage between one man and one woman only.

- Declaration that islam is an enemy cult and the official doctrine of our enemy. Will no longer be respected as a legitimate religion in the United States. All muslims indicted under this doctrine will be held as enemy combatants until war ceases or they are executed for war atrocities and murder.

- Flat tax no greater than 10% or consumer tax

- Male only military with a female auxilliary

- Purging of gays from the military

- Strictly controlled borders. Fences, snipers, military and minefields

- English only as the official language

- Constitutional Constructionism

- Abolish Title IX

- Agressive, deadly, nuclear, large military

- Move the UN out of US and cut funding to requests only for specific short term projects.

- Invasion of Canada to expand or Norther security buffer since Canada won’t do it.

- Terrorism policy tied to the destruction of one Arab city for every one American death beginning with Mecca and Medina.

- All muslims living in US must register.

- Abolish the death tax

- Abortion as a capital crime punishable by death.

- Abolish the Federal Education department

- Senators appointed by the serving governor to represent the state’s interest only.

- Abolish WIC, welfare and foodstamps as a way of life.

- Forced sterilization and short jail term for welfare mothers who ignore warnings and have more children while on the dole

- Yes on school vouchers

- Yes on faith based initiatives (exclusing islam)

- Football replaces baseball as the national past time

- Conservative all-male Supreme Court

- Anti-spanking laws repealled.

- “Dodgeball”, “King of the Hill”, “Tag” and “Kill the Man with the Ball” reinstated in government schools.

- Only ONE valedictorian per school. No social shenanigans

- Reinstatement and prosecutions under the Sedition Acts.

OK, I’ll stop here for now……..

I still listen to Savage occasionally, but too much of it and I am affected by his despair and consistent negativity. I appreciate his defense of this great country, but can only take him in small doses. At least he doesn’t always tow the party line like Sean Hannity–I feel like Hannity is manipulated by certain people and speaks from talking points to get an agenda across.

Is this post only for conservatives to chime in on – if so, then excuse me but I’d like to add my input.

1. George Bush
2. Ann Coulter
3. Rush Limbaugh
4. Sean Hanninty
5. Tucker Carlson
6. Bill O’Reilly
7. John McCain
8. James Dobson
9. Ralph Reed
10.Jerry Falwell

#15 Raymond, that list would appear to make you a paleo-conservative.

My list would include:

McCain
Specter
Arnold
Newt

They are too moderate/liberal

I really don’t like Dubya because I really don’t feel he’s very intelligient but I really believe that of most politicians these days. One thing I do admire about the President is his loyalty and determination.

As far as listening to Savage, Rush and Ann Coulter, to me that’s like me attending a Klan rally. Hate speech at it’s finest.

And of course, people like Arlen Specter and John McCain, whom the die-hard on the comment board destst, I really like.

Tiffany,

Please give me one example of Ann Coulter using hate speech. Just one will suffice.

One rule, though: when someone says something that you strongly disagree with, that doesn’t count as hate speech.

TV (Harry)

Red, dear..that’s why it’s MY opinion. You ain’t gotta love it. LOL!!

Inspector Callahan: I would refer you to my comment #27. Since you are thinking you are being real cute and also thinking I’m going to fall for the bait. No thank you. Not today.

Speech which is ugly and distasteful and seeks to divide rather than bring people together is speech that is hateful. Ann, Rush, Savage and their ilk don’t call people ‘niggers’ (well actually Ann does call people ‘old Arabs’ but I digress) but in their quest to advance their belief systems use their talents in ugly, hateful ways. I’ve no desire to listen to them just as I would have no desire to listen to the Klan.

I have just as much contempt for Micheal Moore and other far-far left zanies. None of them serve a purpose in trying to find true common ground.

That isn’t the answer you wanted is it. Well that’s the one you got…

Have a great DAY!

Raymond, I actually like your list quite a bit. I think we are in general agreement. Here are my only quibbles:

I don’t want the government to reinstate anything (prayer, pledge of allegiance, corporal punishment, etc. )in the public schools. I don’t want government funded public schools to exist – period. All private, supported by vouchers is the way to go in my book. Schools can have whatever philosophy they want (Except Islamic, I’m all about banning that seditious, murderous cult) and parents can decide what their kids should learn. I don’t want the government in their benevolence to ALLOW us to do anything. I want us to be in control of our own lives.

I can’t get on board for capital punishment for homosexual acts. That is way too extreme in my book. However, I could argee with a jail sentence for public displays of homosexual behavior. Now, child molestation, either homosexual or heterosexual, is a crime that warrants the death penalty or life inprisonment.

Just build a fence on our northern border. I don’t want any more liberal moonbats joining the U.S. We have enough of them already. I just have to say no to Canada.

I would have to disagree with the all male qualification for the Supreme Court. There is nothing more intractable than a hard headed conservative woman.

Overall though, good list.

Hey Tiff! Of course you’re entitled to your opinion, even if I don’t agree. Never would I suggest otherwise.

I was just expressing surprise at the likening of Rush Limbaugh to the Klan. Seems impossible to derive that opinion from actually listening to the man, so it struck me as rather odd, that’s all.

To James E. – you’re in Charlotte, also? I’m afraid this area’s love affair with Pat Mc. will never end unless he gets some real competition (which I don’t see happening any time soon). I’ve lived in this city since 1980 and it’s gone more and more liberal every year *groan*. Conservatism (the real kind) doesn’t seem to sell too well in these parts :-\

#36 Well Tiffany? You have been challenged and quite frankly, I would like to hear your answer as well.

Obviously Leftists sent their votes in – Bill O’Reilly and Michaerl Bloomberg are definitely not “conservative”.

Inspector Callahan wrote:

However, comparing mainstream conservatives to Klan members, to me, borders on slander.

The two key words in that sentence are: to me. Meaning in YOUR opinion. Slander?? I hardly think I’ll be sued unless you plan to tell on me or someting…LOL!!!

You also wrote: Something like, “I don’t like Limbaugh, Coulter, or Savage, because I don’t like their in-your-face, caustic brand of punditry” would would have been an opinion.

If it makes you feel better I do agree with that statement 100%.

Happy now???

And I just know you weren’t suggesting that I shut up, right??? If you were, that’s quite rude. Which happens to be another trait of some of your mainstream conservative idols such as Rush and the like…

Now Montie, that’s just not true…However did you infer that???

Don’t you go twisting my words now, you naughty boy..:)

A liberal “shutting up?” You have a better chance of sweetening the Atlantic Ocean with a 5lb bag of sugar.

RedBeard and Insp. Callahan:

Maybe “hate speak” is the wrong term, but if you don’t think that what Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh engage in is extremely incendiary, polarizing, and insulting then I think you are drinking some very carfully contrived Kool-Aid.

Ann Coulter has been quoted before stating that she is not a pundit, she is a polemicist that is employed in debates to “stir the pot”. Rush Limbaugh is cut from the same cloth, they are not pundits because they are not authorities on anything, just very opinionated.

In that regard, Coulter and Limbaugh do engage in the same kind of “It’s those people causing all the problems” ways of speaking that hate groups employ.

But, I’m sure Tiffany will agree that there are people on both sides of the politicial spectrum that participate in this form of “divide and conquer” strategy.

I’ve really been surprised to see some people here putting my favorite conservatives on their lists. Senator Cornyn is one of my favorites! Plus, with Carolyn Strayhorn teaming up with Democrat lawyers in Texas, I’m going to have to stick with Rick Perry.

To be honest with you, I can’t think of any conservatives right off hand that I don’t like. So, my list will be short and mostly full of moderates.

1. Hillary “the pretender” Clinton
2. Newt “I like Hillary” Gingrich (I’m still mad at him).
3. John “maverick” McPain
4. Comptroller Carolyn Strayhorn, for taking money from Democrats in the state of Texas
5. You can fill the rest of this list with various Republican senators who just aren’t conservative enough for my taste.

As for my favorite conservatives… this list is more fun for me to write.

1. La Shawn Barber
2. Ann Coulter
3. Michelle Malkin
4. Rush Limbaugh
5. Michael Savage
6. Sean Hannity
7. George W. Bush
8. Condoleeza Rice
9. Brit Hume
10. F. A. Hayek (dead, but oh so relevant)
11. Senator John Cornyn
12. House Representative Sam Johnson (R-TX)

LaShawn,

I think an excellent topic for discussion would be for people to give thier own working definition of what a “conservative” and a “liberal” are. These discussions are always funny because I think people just use those terms to describe people with absolutely no regard for what the words actually mean. Let it run for a day or two, then update the post with the dictionary definitions and let everyone see how all over the place they are.

#50 M. Woodward, that’s the beauty of conservatism, it is a big tent movement which does not requier strict obedience like liberalism does.

M. Woodward, what makes an authority on any given subject? Does it require a degree? Rush Limbaugh is an astute commentator and a quick study. Authority? I dunno. But definitely someone with a great deal of information at hand.

When Limbaugh says, “It’s those people causing all the problems” and points at liberals while saying it, all I can do is thank him for making public that which I have been observing for a very long time.

#56, Jeff Clinton, I am not sure I woud even call Bloomberg a RINO. He is a liberal who merely became a Republican in order to avoid the messy Democratic primaries.

I don’t like to play the hate game, so I’ll just name my twelve most beloved right wingers. Here they are in no particular order…

John Ashcroft
Rush Limbaugh
Mark Belling
Sean Hannity
Newt Gingrich
Michelle Malkin
David Limbaugh
Ann Coulter
Matt Drudge
Condi Rice
Donald Rumsfeld
President Bush
Laura Bush
Dick Cheney

and naturally… La Shawn!!!

Okay, I guess I went over a dozen. Oh well. Too bad. All these people rock and cannot be excluded.

I know what you’re saying about Bush. He’s never been for sealing the borders. I don’t think he nor other pro-illegal “conservative” politicians understand the seriousness of the situation because they live nowhere near it, and they haven’t been victims of any illegal crime or terrorist bombings.

And now a countdown of my favorites (don’t want to keep things so negative; life’s too short for that)–aside from La Shawn, of course:

12) Zell Miller (a self-described conservative Democrat who I’m certain is no darling of the Sierra Club crowd)

11) Milton Friedman

10) Rich Lowry

9) Joseph C. Phillips
He’s an excellent Republican columnist–and a Hollywood actor to boot. What a way to shake things up on the left coast!

Mychal Massie

7) Star Parker

6) Clarence Thomas

5) Heather Mac Donald

4) John McWhorter

3) Michelle Malkin

2) Walter Williams
Wouldn’t you just love to see him skewer New York Times columnist Paul Krugman in an economic debate? I’d paid top dollar for that.

1) Thomas Sowell
All I can say is just read his books and his column, then you’ll see why he’s número uno.

Honorable Mentions:
-Brian C. Anderson
-Herman Cain
-Nicole Gelinas
-Kay S. Hymowitz
-Donald Luskin
-Deroy Murdock
-Bob Parks
-John Perazzo
-Joseph Perkins
-Deborah Simmons

Left, But “Right”:
Tammy Bruce
This Democrat and lesbian feminist describes herself as a classic liberal and eschews far-left-wing, blame-America-first-and-always spin. She brooks none of the hedonistic, anything goes nonsense that many “progressives” mistake for liberation.

La Shawn,

I know you take issue with Mr. Newt. I admit, he’s made some big mistakes, but I still respect him for what he accomplished a decade ago, and for his sincerely upstanding conservative views on most everything.

As for Belling, he’s Milwaukee’s Rush Limbaugh, maybe better, if that’s possible. For around fifteen years, he’s championed conservatism and common sense both on the national scene and in my beloved once and future homeland of Wisconsin. He’s incredibly witty, funny, and always right about everyhting.

You can check out Belling’s website (www.belling.com)

Also, don’t miss my signed caricature and bobble head of him
(http://wisgrove98caricatures.blogspot.com/2003/08/mark-belling.html)

Or the blog post I wrote about his abominable suspension
(http://wisgrove98.blogspot.com/2004/11/in-defense-of-mark-belling_111645596882749442.html)
Don’t worry, he’s been back on the air for some time, and he hasn’t let up a bit!!!

I’m old enough to remember when there was actual civility between liberals and conservatives. As a kid, I recall Eisenhower vs. Stevenson. Very mild contest by today’s bloody partisan standards.

This got me to thinking about just when things began to fall apart. There was a seminal moment in 1964, as Lyndon Johnson’s campaign began to rip Barry Goldwater as someone who was going to blow up the world. Irresponsible nonsense, but it was to reappear in 1980, a date which really begins the current state of incivility. Reagan was going to blow up the world. Ronnie Ray-gun. Reagan the cowboy. Reagan the lousy b-movie actor. Bedtime for Bonzo. Personal attacks from liberals became standard in 1980, and have festered ever since, becoming worse with each election cycle, leading us to the 21st Century spleen-venting free-for-all against George Bush.

Where will it end? I never thought I would yearn for liberals like Hubert Humphrey, but sadly, given the awful characters populating the left today, I do.

NYGirl:

“…that’s the beauty of conservatism, it is a big tent movement which does not requier strict obedience like liberalism does”

Now that’s funny…I thought not following “strict obedience” was the trait of a liberal…you just proved my point.

RedBeard:
Does being a movie critic for years make one an authority on making movies? By the same token, does commenting on policy make one an authority on making policy?

Francis Ford Coppola – authorty on making movies.
Roger Ebert – critic of movies made

A current (or former) Secretary or State – authority on Foreign Policies
Rush Limbaugh – critic of Foreign Policies

The whole point is an authority is usually not someone who just studies it, but actually does (or did it).

M. Woodward wrote when defining liberalism, “Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.”

You know, I agreed with liberal “reform” during the “original” civil rights movement. I DO passionatly believe in equal OPPORTUNITY for all. That was good change, good imporvement on old institutions. Then the liberal ideology got derailed. They became enamored of change for the sake of change. They started fighting for equal outcome regardless of work ethic, morality or personal ability. I have no problem with working to change something that is truely broken. But the liberals of the last forty years have been bending, folding and generally mutilating America to the point of abuse and cruelty. In many ways the “conservatives” of today are the old-fashioned liberals. Only we are seeking to undo the damage of overzelous artisans that were driven by over inflated egos and a sense of their own righteousness.

Independant: I agree with you on most of your points but, the problem is that the same overzealous, egotistical self-rightousness is now being displayed by so called “conservatives”. Let us not forget the the special session of Congress for Terri Schaivo, but there is no special session for border security? Ridiculous budget and trade deficits? The fact that the Government is in debt about $28,000 for every American citizen?

Those are “conservative” issues. Old-fashioned liberals are still liberals, so if that is what you are that is what you should call yourself, that’s why I posted that definition of “liberal” because there are very few actual “conservatives” in Washington, the only one I can think of is Tom Tancredo. For those “conservatives” who were supporting Social Security REFORM (see definition of liberal) a true conservative would have settled for nothing less than the gradual phasing out of that liberal, progressive, New Deal and socialist program. A prescription drug benefit? A true conservative would have never entertained the idea.

Wake up call to all the “conservatives”…

Your President and your majority party Congress Criters are liberals!! The Democrats are just more extreme…being a LESS extreme liberal does not make you a conservative.

Independant:

If more sensible people like yourself are allowed to participate in the public discourse, maybe not in our lifetime, but maybe this country can return to the representative, Constitutional Republic it once was. I fear, however my friend, that there has been a point of no return crossed over the past 15-16 years that in about 40-50 years the United States of America will unrecognizable by the people who founded it.

To that I say…Thank you Baby Boomers, you squandered everything that “The Greatest Generation” worked so hard to past on to you. More than that you “outsourced” your soul and mortgaged your country for a house in the suburbs and a BMW…

As a member of Generation X, thank you for my generation’s inheritance…the American Dream, nearing foreclosure.

Raymond, add THIS one to your quiz: Which party currently features a sitting U.S. senator who used to wear white sheets as a Ku Klux Klanner???

How about all of the Step-n-Fetchits who voted for CAFTA? Largely Republican, and a great disappointment, and also throwing our nation closer to World Government.

Hmmmm.
Righties I don’t like…
to be honest, I understand that many of the RINOs are the closest thing to a conservative their disctrict can get into office, so I take them even if I hold my nose. Maybe because I’ve lived in blue states all my life. I’d love a Tancredo, but in NJ they’d ride his type out on a rail (in a tolerant multicuturaly inclusive fashion).
Take Arlen Spector… don’t much care for him, but compared to who the dems would have elected in his place… I’ll take him. And keep taking him until the politics of Philadelphia allow them to vote for a more conservative candidate.
But anyway, my list of righties I can do without
Lincoln Chafee
Olympia Snow
Voinovich
McCain (he was cool before he was a media darling and camera chaser)
Mayor Bloomberg
Michael Savage (he’s just not pleasant… some days listening to him makes me feel dirty for agreeing with him the day before)
Andrew Sullivan (is he even still a righty?)

Righties I like, but think don’t get their due
Mike Adams
Bill Bennet
Walter Williams (he should do his own show rather than sub for Limbaugh)
Zel Miller
Tom Tancredo

Andy – Pat Robertson is a RINO? How’s that?

docjim505 – excellent point; Dole isn’t Bowles. Too bad she isn’t conservative either.

Sister Toldjah – yes, we are stuck in a rut here, unless we can get Jason Lewis to run for Mayor.

Those of you in Minneapolis probably remember Jason Lewis when he was up there. Now he’s busy infuriating the liberal establishment here in Charlotte with his talk radio show. Wish he was national. He’s a true conservative.

Senator John McCain is not on the right. He is from outer space.

Another Favorite…
Mona Charen.

I plead temporary insanity for forgetting to include her in my Top 12 list–the good one–yesterday. She belongs somewhere in the top five. Her most recent book “Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help (and the Rest of Us)” is an absolute masterpiece. I wish politicians and college student, susceptible as they are to the leftist fads and shibboleths, would read it in droves!

Also Linda Chavez and Larry Elder deserve spots on my “Honorable Mentions” list.

#90: “CAFTA, NAFTA and all the trade treaties all represent the ideals of genuine capitalism, you know, competition.”

That is the biggest load of propaganda bull plop I have ever heard. What Republican ideal subjugates the US Constitution to an International Court in trade disputes? The foundation of the Republican Party was defense of the US Constitution. You know America is a Republic, I stand for the ideals of a Republic, so I am a Republican? Do you even know what is contained in those “agreements”? Or are you just parroting the latest from Fox News?

Free trade??? Let’s look at the definition…

free trade (from dictionary.com)- Trade between nations without protective customs tariffs.

Even without tariffs (which don’t exist against American products imported into those nations), 99% of the populations can’t afford to buy American products. So I ask you, what good or service are we trading as a nation? And that being said, what is the nation (the US) receiving in return for that good or service?

If it is true that low paying jobs move out and higher ones move in, why is it that real wage growth in this country has not even keep pace with inflation over the last 10 years. If the lower paying jobs are moving out and higher paying ones moving in, why is that they only job sectors growing at record paces are low paying service industry jobs (waiters/waitresses, retail clerks, and landscape laborers)?

What higher paying jobs are being created??

Chris:

Good points et al, I can admit that you obviously have researched this topic more than I. But, I have one more question, has NAFTA decreased the number of illegal immigrants from or increased wages and standard of living in Mexico?

Point being that the points you are making are best case scenarios, and has been proven in the reconstruction of Iraq, best case scenarios do not always come to fruition.

BTW,

I was not endorsing NAFTA. I didn’t like NAFTA even though many Republicans did (including Limbaugh) for the following reasons:

1) Why did it take tens of thousands of pages to REMOVE trade barriers?
2) Why couldn’t it be one page that said “You will not charge us tariffs and we will not charge you tariffs”

Concerning trade, corporations and individuals will purchase goods and services from other nations resources (people and companies)… Unfortunately, countries will put a tariff on the purchase of our goods and services from our resources (companies and people) and my belief is it doesn’t take tens of thousands of pages to remove those tariffs. Tariffs are only a tax that gives the government revenue and raises the price of goods and services to individuals and companies.

Tariffs simply act as a price raiser and put brakes on goods and services being sold (economy).

I would much rather say who I like:

Clarence Thomas (He has largely stuck to his conservative roots despite enormous attacks on his reputation and has proved to be a consistent legal scholar, respected for some of his opinions. Scalia also warrants a spot here too, being the better wit and intellect and opinion crafter)

George Bush (Is he really the die-hard conservative we want him to be? No. But unlike say a Bill O’Reilly, a Newt Gingrich (today), or a Rush, Bush actually has to deal with real world situations and competing viewpoints and ambitions. Given this difficulty, I think he has done. He has stood ground on some issues, passed lots of legislation like NCLB (that the teachers and unions hate but which is proving to be of value in raising the quality of teachers and some test scores), he has boldly executed a plan to remake the Middle East, and he has made some good appointments. Our economy is functioning quite well considering we are at war and oil prices at the pump have doubled. As a black person I do get some satisfaction when he finds qualified blacks and gives them true power (Condi) as opposed to what people like Clinton have done, making a show of bringing in blacks or minorities, and then punting them to Housing or Health.

Also, I have listened (on my jobs) to more uneducated people deriding Bush for his lack of intellect than I can count. To me–and I was a slacker through school–he is just inspiring in terms of failing at different tasks and yet going forward, believing in his own mission. He is like a regular guy, no nonsense. Never has an “idiot” gotten so much done so fast. Yes he is not pure on every issue (immigration being a big major peeve of mine) but he has done much.

My list would also include people like Thomas Sewell, whose academic work provides valuable support for many conservative and capitalist goals.

The major person of subtance on my list who I don’t like is Donald Rumsfeld. While I applaud his execution of both wars, I think he made major mistakes when dealing with Iraq in terms of threat assessment and post war planning. I still get disturbed about the time he suggested that Iraqis were just “letting off steam” when they ran riot while we failed to tie down the country after winning the major battles. Stupidity like that has provided fodder for liberals to recast the war as some irrational adventure rather than the brilliant, and thus far successful, venture that it is.

What Bush is doing in Iraq (and its effects on Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon) is the type of stuff for the history books–if successful–and I think Rumsfeld has fueled the energy and voice of those who would like to see it not succeed.

Right at this moment he would be my chief serious dislike, but not in a hateful way, as the man is still smart and executed the war rather well (in terms of loss of life and sustained progress). I just feel that there were knowable risks that he chose to ignore thus creating an environment in the media that can undo all that has been done.

People like Rush, Coulter, Gingrich, and O’Reilly I don’t really respect all that much. Unlike politicians and others, they are talkers all, not really doers. I prefer flawed doers over perfect talkers.

#76. M. Woodward is dead on!

#103 Mark, that is also correct.

#80 The person you speak of is well represented in those questions. How this jerk gets a pass on the “being a racist” issue is so beyond me seeing that the Congressional Black Whiners holler racism on every issue from imagined voting irregularities to naming freakin’ hurricanes.

Another example of Democrats thinking the gubmint should control all aspects of your lives:

On the Drudge Report: “DNC: Bush Should Stop Playing Games with Physical Fitness”

Democrats use Bush’s uperior physical shape to call for more wasted money for publik ejookayshun.

They want more funding for physical fitness programs and blame Bush for fat, sorry kids produced by gubmint schools.

WHAT? There is this thing called parenting and personal responsibility. How about this cheap solution? Get your butt up off the couch and off the X-Box and go RUN and play real football instead of a video game. Take the twinkie out of your mouth. Put down the soda can!…It is free to do this!!!!! Geeesh. Another reason why America hates liberals.

Mark, are you really saying that by arguing that slavery should not be extended into the territories that the newly founded Republican Party was attacking and punishing the south? Hey, I’m as big a supporter of states’ rights as anyone, but I can’t get aboard that train.

M. Woodward, again we are agreed. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we are one bloody disaster away from mob rule. The majority of Americans are fed up with both the Republicans and the Democrats. It is frustrating to have to choose between the lesser of two evils (Republicans). Now, I’m still willing to work at a massive reformation of the Republican party. I could get behind a candidate like Tom Tancredo. But if the U.S. suffers a WMD attack, something all together new will rise from the ashes.

They thought it best to utterly destroy a distinct section of this country.

Destroy how? By opposing slavery? I’m not seeing any moral dilemma there.

What the early Republicans concerned about was the spread of the Northern free labor [read: cheap, ill-paid, and often abused Irishmen and Coolies] system to spread in the West, and they knew Negro slavery whould have foiled this. Hardly a humanitarian concern.

So….. are you saying we should have permitted slavery to expand because Irish and Chinese freemen weren’t being paid enough? Interesting concept.

Thomas Sowell rules.

“Every other civilized nation ceased Negro chattel slavery peacefully, and would have in this nation as well, were it not for the Republicans. They thought it best to utterly destroy a distinct section of this country.”

~Maybe I missed something but not every other nation has ended the buying and selling of negroes. Perhaps you have someplace particular in mind fitting the term “civilized”?

Mr. Roberts: I believe in free trade as well. I believe that CAFTA is a deficient vehicle for this. This is but a first step: highly managed and regulated trade agree ents, complete with loads of graft, masking as “free trade”, next will be a common market of the entire hemisphere, followed by a inter-political alliance, completing this game will be the total loss of U.S. sovereignty.

This not to mention the further loss of American jobs, squeezing out the American Middle Class which is the backbone of this society. Nor the codex provision: say goodbye to vitamins and supplements!

I will heed the opinions of Mr. Barone. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on some of congressman Ron Paul’s (R-Tex) principled opposition to CAFTA.

Mr. La Roi: Perhaps you refer to those nations in central Africa who are participants in slavery. These are Black Christians and animists being enslaved. The traders and much of the leadership of these regions are Mohammedan thugs, thus hardly classificable as “civilised”.

I guess my mother is right. One thing that Democrats seem to do better than Republicans is to show utmost loyalty to their party. Of course, they took their loyalty to the extreme when Clinton was in the process of being impeached. Loyalty involves trust, and so I have to ask you who have put President Bush on your list of least favorites… Don’t you trust him?

It just makes me kind of sad, that’s all.

Rep J. I generaly trust President bush, but my affection for the man is not trumped by my love of country and the fighting men who defend our liberties. President Bush has done some good things, but he also must accept responsibility for not following through on his promise to be relentless in the War on Terror.

He has dropped the ball on illegal immigration and he has lost the Battle for Iraq.

Ray, it’s not a matter of blind loyalty to Mr. Bush, nor any sort of loyalty, really. It’s pragmatism at work here.

I support Mr. Bush on most issues, and disagree vehemently with him on others, such as illegal immigration for example. But given the choice again, between Mr. Bush and the disturbingly unworthy Kerry or Gore, I would vote for Mr. Bush in a heartbeat.

When faced with a voting booth choice between someone who is right half the time and someone who is right almost none of the time, the decision is easy, even if not perfect nor totally satisfying.

There is no way McCain is on the right. Just because he has a (r) next to his name does not make him conservative. This man is most assuredly a liberal.

Re:#127. Still, the fact remains that we cannot let any administration entity or social machinations hinder the ferocity, aggressiveness and battlefield superiority of our military.

Our commanders are becoming soft and feminized and begiining to reflect the emasculated good for nothing beginning to infect society as a whole.

The liberalization of America is going to quickly turn us into an impotent version of Canada or Europe.

When men begin to give up their God given mandate to rule and lead, that society fails. When the men lose the will to protect and defend, not only does that society fail, it is erased and conquered.

Actually, I’d vote for McCain (gag and shudder) to defeat the “Hilldabeast” if given no other option. However, we still have a primary process in this country. We can still yell, shout, blog, publish, and financially support “true conservatives.” If we end up with a McCain as our Republican candidate in ‘08, then we will have noone to blame but ourselves.

James E, re #86 & 81. I met Pat when I was 14 or 15. Thot he was a flake then and haven’t seen anything to change my mind. IOW, he’s a RINO cause the money’s good.

At the risk of riling some, I think he’s a fair-weather evangelist. Granted, he’s no where near as bad as Phelps (God Hates Fags), but seems like every other time or two that he opens his mouth, it brings God no credit.

If he was given a soapbox within the DNC, he’d come out with a proclamation that “God told him that candidate XYZ is going to win”. Do you recall why and where Balaam was going when the angel of the Lord blocked his ass (Num 22)?

Pre-Road to Moab is how I see Pat generally.

Re #122. Raymond wrote: “While bombers blast away at our allies, we are actually having a serious debate about putting one of the most ineffective, divisive FEMALES in US history in the highest office in the world.”

Re #131 Raymond wrote: “When men begin to give up their God given mandate to rule and lead, that society fails.”

Would that be cHillary, Condi or even La Shawn? Would you rather see sKerry, Teddy (hic) or even Kos run instead of ‘wimenfolk’?

The point is I don’t think for one minute that one’s sex determines their aptitude for leadsership. Not to mention that there’s no such thing as “their God given mandate to rule and lead.”

I would think that if my daughter was so inclined, she could and would run for POTUS, let alone anything else she might put her mind to, without running into superficial and emotionally insecure roadblocks.

Her Biblical role models would include Rahab, Deborah, Esther, Tabitha/Dorcas. Golda Meir, Maggie Thatcher, Jean Kilpatrick & Condi are but a few ‘wimenfolk’ that come to mind with bigger cojones than most men.

Bottomline, if you want to talk about why cHillary is unfit for office, feel free to point out her faults, but being a woman is NOT a criteria.

Yes, I’m well aware of the fact that there are plenty of women who don’t deserve the career heights they’ve attained but for AA, but that does not diminish the fact that some women are born to lead and do it well!!!

Thanks.

PS Raymond, don’t you think it’s premature for a grunt to declare the ‘battle for Iraq’ lost? If the objective was to wipe Iraq off the map, we would have done it in the 1st hour.

Did you pay attention to Bush’s objective when he channneled JFK’s 1951 Inaugural Speech?
“The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe–the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

This much we pledge–and more. …“.

To accomplish what we set out to do IS going to be a long hard slog — no different in scope with what we did to Japan & Germany over the knee-jerk objections of our allies back then. Plus, I would think Bush would have lost ‘04 if the people thot he had lost the battle as you frame it.

So quit whining about how Bush isn’t executing the war according to the Raymond Doctrine, cause that’s not what we voted for. If you want to rail on anybody on this point, rail on We-the-People.

#139. No thanks, I won’t have the Kool-Aid. Black coffee please.

Dell on that we agree. Michael Savage has been dead on regarding the failure of this President on the Iraq Battle.

I personally, at this point am wanting to see the boys come home. We did what we could with the ineffective leadership we elected so now let us return to “Fortress America” and just sit and wait for another inevitable 9/11.

It will happen and it will happen because our warrior leaders are no more. All we have now are Carter and Clinonesque candy butts who try to use the Oprah and Dr. Phil approach to killing rattlesnakes.

Dell, frankly 1800 is a very good marker of success in the battlefield. Basically we only have 3 options:
1) A subcontinental skating rink.
2) Nuture democracy; if successful, #1 averted, if failed see #1.
3) Do nothing and wind up with #1 for sure with more deaths all around.

The utter stupidity stems from pundits, know-nothings and has-beens who know nothing about our assets, capabilities vis a vis our tactical & strategic intentions.

I’d go into details, but you have a habit of running away from the facts, so why bother, when pithiness gets my point across.

Raymond, koolaid is thinking that you alone can order POTUS what to do/not do.

Black coffee is reasoning with others to arrive at a workable compromise from which POTUS would take his marching orders.

A classic example of drinking moonbatic koolaid is when a former best friend of mine after reading Earth In Balance, and joining the Greenparty began espousing with evangelical zeal.

Quite like you, in addition to “ordering Clinton to implement all of Gored’s green screed” went on to declare the following ‘outtas’:
–”There outta be a law that anyone who smokes must eat their butts”.
–”There outta be a law to permit smoking weed anytime, anywhere.”
[/me scratching head - smoke regardless of source is carcinogenic. What about safety issues?]

–”There outta be a law that anyone who has a gas-guzzler (GG) must pay twice as much”.
–”There outta be a law to subsidize green vehicles with free, or next to free, electricity for the batteries and with monies from GGs.”
[/me scratching head - electricity has zero environmental impact? Doesn't battery acids, gases, coal powered generators and/or Hydro-powered dynamoes add up to anything? What about the cherished poor who must use GGs to commute and what happens to subsidies when there aren't any more GGs?]

–”There outta be a law that all Rush Limbaugh dittoheads must remove themselves from society.”
[/me scratching head - Whatever happended to freedom of speech, or is it 'free for me but not thee'. What if I believe moonbats should be disappeared because I don't agree with them, can I call for my own stormtroopers as well?]

–”There outta be a law…”
[me: "Yeah, whatever. Hasta. La. Vista. Baby!!!"]

Watching his descent into raving lunancy was indeed like watching a trainwreck in slo-mo.

Andy (Comment 147),

There’s nothing free about Rush’s speech.

He’s paid BIG $$$ by corporate America to keep the shell game going and confuse Americans (i.e. Immigrants, the homeless, etc are hurting our economy—when it’s obviously CEOs of pharmaceutical companies, etc who are stealing your tax dollars).

So I’m late. Least favorite on the right?

1. Pat Buchannan
2. Pat Robertson
3. James Dobson
4. John McCain
5. Arlen Spector
6. Lamar Alexander
7. Susan Collins
8. Lincoln Chafee
9. Rick Perry (Gov of Texas)
10. Mike Huckabee (Gov of Arkansas)

Gotta add Zell to my list of favorite conservatives!!! I don’t know how I forgot. Idiot mistake. Anyway, Zell is waaaay up there on my list for sure.

Robert, do you relize how naive and stupid that sounds?

Rush is paid big money because listeners like to hear what he is saying, unlike a certain brand that has to “borrow” from monies earmarked for poor, disadvantaged kids in order to hype their “popularity” and keep the lie going yet another day or two.

Mark my words, it’ll only be a matter of time before the new Gored TV will be caught at something similar. And their excuse will be they can’t help it due to their lack of moral clarity.

Then again, it’s easy and fun to pick on “mythical CEOs stealing tax monies” when you live in the land of medical/pharmaceutical plenty.

There’s only one thing progressives know how to do; to destroy every golden egg-laying goose they come across in the name of economic parity.

This thread is fun, but I’m getting dizzy.

Jump on in Red! LOL

My least favorite people on the “right” (broadly speaking) in no particular order:

1 Chuck Hegel – the Republican version of Joe Biden – a good looking lightweight [full disclosure, I don't care for "pretty boys;" I think it's my farm background]

2 John McCain – How can so much heroism shrink to so little? It may get a lot of media attention to be a “maverick” in the Senate; I don’t want one for President. And to top that, he is the Republican part of McCain-Feingold.

3 Tucker Carlson – He may have had conservative convictions at one time, now he is more interested in being a media personality.

4 Olympia Snowe – Vote against removing Bill Clinton from office and then ask me for money because I am a Republican woman? Please!

5 Arlen Spectre – Even before he was Judiciary Committee Chairperson, he came out swaggering as though he had been elected co-president and spouting all the Democratic talking points.

6 Nancy Reagan – I admire the way she took care of her husband in his illness but I always felt that in her heart she despised the beliefs of the people who put her husband in office.

7 Pat Robertson – America is supposed to adjust our foreign policy depending on which corrupt government he has made a deal with?

8 Christie Todd Whitman – There have always been liberal Republicans, why is she whining because now Conservatives are in the ascendancy, ala “It’s My Party, Too.?”

9 Michael Savage – He comes on after Hugh Hewitt and while I agree with many of his ideas, he sounds so full of hate.

10 John Warner – The former Mr. Elizabeth Taylor is too much in love with the sound of his own voice and too much out of touch with “ordinary” Americans, especially ordinary Republicans.

11 Sandra Day O’Connor – She sounded good during her confirmation hearings, then she hit the Washington social circuit and got “reeducated” by the elite who think they know better than all the rest of us. Her last year on the court, she seemed to start to remember what she once believed.

12 Sen. Voinovich – If he wants to be takes seriously, he should show up for hearings. Also, he should quit blubbering. He might make me embarrassed to be a Republican if there weren’t so many screwballs on the left that it’s difficult for a screwball on the right to measure up.

Bloomberg is not a RINO. He just got elected on the Republican side of the ballot.

I don’t care for O’Reilly but I watch him all the time. I think he is a “centrist.” He just seems conservative because the left is soooo far left.

Who are your least favorite LIBERALS? You knew this was coming, right?

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Al Franken
3. Michael Moore
4. Dick Durbin
5. Charles Schumer
6. Ted Kennedy
7. Al Gore Junior
8. John McPain
9. Kos
10. PETA

My favorite liberals?

1. Phil Donahue
2. Alan Colmes
3. Diane Feinstein (she comes around from time to time)
4. … Sorry starting to draw a blank, but atleast I tried.

Favorite liberals? Contradiction in terms. Seems rather unproductive, rather like trying to pick the least rotten tomatos out of a bushel basket full of rotten tomatos; we still can’t eat any of ‘em.