http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/07/policy/

Okaaaaaay, what would be the purpose of paying him then?

Not looking for women when the rapist was a man. Not having an 84 year old Swedish grandma be searched (probably wasting time – we have limited resources. Not doing COMPLETE random searches.

Identify what criteria (not my job) is smart to look for and follow through without worrying about being politically correct or cowering to the liberals shouting. Criteria would be created by the people in the field making notes daily. Not me. FBI could help. CIA could help.

And if the London Telegraph reported that 6% of Christian’s completely agreed with Eric Rudolph (they don’t) and 33% sympathize with Eric Rudolph (they don’t), yeah it would be a serious problem even though Eric Rudolph wasn’t a Christian and has denounced God as La Shawn pointed these facts out on a previous post (I know your sourced didn’t inform you huh )

2. When is deadly force appropriate in a suspected terrorist situation?

Not for me to answer. But I’m not going to question the police’s actions when I see very clearly how the accident happened. It’s up to the professional organizations to train and create criteria on how to act given certain situations.

1) it’s been 1300 plus days since Osama was identified as the mastermind of 9/11. I’ve heard nothing about his capture.

Catching Osama won’t solve the worldwide problem with Islamofacism. It’s a nice Democrat talking point and shows your colors but it doesn’t state that anyone on our side failed. The Iraq war didn’t reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan despite the myth. In fact the # of troops increased during the Iraq war beginning.

3) 3) There is little to no evidence….

There is little evidence that Democrat leaders would’ve done any better during the last 4 years. All they’ve done is undermine our efforts, attack the administration during a time of war with non-facts (propoganda) and aid and comfort the enemy. The enemy have been emboldened with the Democrat talking points ever since the start of the Iraq war. They have been acting DISGRACEFULLY.

4)2 of the countries in the “axis of evil” seem to be moving forward with their nuclear programs.

… and have been during the Clinton years. This is not a new Bush problem or American problem that cropped up. In fact the North Koreans were enabled with technology that we sold them and deals we made with Albright during the Clinton adminsitration. WHAT’S YOUR POINT. YOu are like COBRA. Republicans bad Democrats good?

There is not one poster here that thinks Republicans always act good and Bush does 100% of things correctly. THere is plenty to criticize Bush about. There is all kinds of facts that I see you aren’t considering. It’s a Democrat talking points list and isn’t helpful to the debate because most of us posters have addresses all of some of these issues with liberals like yourself before.

If I understand your answer, it’s that the man who was shot fit yet another profile (someone running from police who was inappropriately dressed who was headed into a sort of place that had been a bombing target) It’s obviously very hard to make a judgment call like this in the heat of the moment. I’m just bringing it up because your very brief post appeared to suggest that “protecting” people was justification enough for deadly force.

I’m also asking a couple serious questiions here that I don’t think are right or left.

1) What would a “smart” profile consist of?
Eric Rudolph is a white guy who opposed abortion? Should the US put all those who match that description under surveillance maybe refuse to let them carry weapons. Right wing terrorist incidents in the US far outnumber Islamic extremist killings. btw AM I the only one who finds it odd that women don’t bomb abortion clinics?

You acknowledge that Moslem is not a physical or ethnic description. What do we use then in “crowd” situations? that would amount to a “smart description” and once that smart description is known, how hard is it to outwit it?

2. When is deadly force appropriate in a suspected terrorist situation? Do the British police have protocols of some kind? OR is it make your best guess as it unfolds?
And what’s our protection from that kind of discretion being grossly abused?
I don’t pretend to have easy answers, but profiling is an awfully easy answer that may be not nearly as simple as we think.

As an American, I’ve been in the position of trusting a Republican administration to combat terrorism.
1) it’s been 1300 plus days since Osama was identified as the mastermind of 9/11. I’ve heard nothing about his capture.

2) Acts of terrorism are spreading and increasing in frequency.

3) There is little to no evidence that any major chemical plants, nuclear plants, ports, or mass transit facilities in the US are any safer than they were 4 years ago nor is it easy to show that any significant steps have been taken in the US to make them more secure. If I understand, National Guard and reserves who might help with this task are otherwise occupied.

4)2 of the countries in the “axis of evil” seem to be moving forward with their nuclear programs.

So honestly, yeah, I am confused by a lot of what’s gone on in the last four years and I can’t say that we’re winning the “war” or is it a “struggle” with the current tactics. IIRC Al Gore was the only candidate to mention improving airport security during the 2000 election and even Republicans seemed to believe that the biggest threat to US security was Bill Clinton’s infidelity.

Wow! Thank you for saying that. Confirmed. The reason why liberals should never be allowed to roam the halls of Us leadership.

I personally am not the type as it seems you are to go bashing the police (especially in this situation – days after 7/7 and 7/21).

Nobody is saying the police have a “right” to go shoot everyone simply because that person may have a bomb. There was more than just that one factor, there was many factors.

It was a regrettable situation that what? You want to score points off of? Muslims are Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Caucasian (as in parts of Russia and Yugoslavia).

There are common traits. There are common characteristics. There is smart searching and there is play dumb (random) searching. The left (and I think you) are asking us to play dumb (random) searching. Not so smart is it?

iirc the orignal post was about the possible need for profiling. I was just pointing out that the guy they shot didn’t match the profile suggested in the original post. He was Brazilian, Catholic, wasn’t carrying a backjpack. I am aware that he ran from the police, but that suggests the police now have the right to shoot everyone who runs simply because that person may have a bomb.

-Spade

I did, however, see a nice piece on the IRS stopping random audits and ‘profiling’ white Americans who live in the suburbs, since most tax cheats…

What is it with the wimps of today? My generation grew up in the shadow of global holocaust. We thought that we all might die any day, and we still had the balls to hang on to our fundamental rights and freedoms.

Are we really now grown so craven? A couple of buildings get knocked down and a couple of trains blown up, and we are ready to set up secret police to disappear people?

You think those were aberrations? That Muslims don’t have WORSE in mind? We’re not angry enough about what’s happened. – Admin