>>>Liberals have lost their relevence because they aren’t visionary. They can’t say what the world should be, only complain about what it is not.”

I rarely disagree with you, but on this I will. The problem with conservatives is that many, especially on the fundamentalist right believe they know EXACTLY what the world should be, with no debate, discussion or wavering. The world of the right winged conservative is only black and white, with no nuance, complexity or extraneous details. To many right winged conservatives, it’s not about variables or factors. It’s about rigid moral absolutes. They command obediance to their positions, talking points and marching orders, or you will be smeared, as former Bush Administration cabinet members can attest to.

To the ill-read, overworked and anti-intellectual American population, that’s too appetizing a formula. Conservatives don’t want people to think too much. They’ve mastered the bumper-sticker. It’s far easier to say, “Evil-doers”, than to delineate the fact that our soldiers are being killed by former Baathists (secular), Islamic millitants, and Wahabists foreign zealots, who had no reason to cooperate in the past. To millions of people who are more concerned about paying bills, feeding kids and caring for sick and older parents, there seems to be an affinity for the schoolyard simplicity offered by today’s Conservative movement.

There are so many examples of this that I can’t begin to paste and source them out as I usually do here, but I do know one thing. As an African American liberal, I SUPPORT people like LaShawn Barber, even though we rarely agree, and here’s why. I know that LaShawn will call things as she sees it, based upon her strong principles, and she does ocassionally rebuke Republicans and conservatives when she feels they’re out of line (albeit, not as frequently as I would like her to.) That’s more than I can say for the boiler-plate, peroxide blonde, aryan-cheerleader types that infest conservative radio and cable news lately.

In other words, if LaShawn turns on a right winger, you best believe her words will carry a lot more weight.

–Cobra

When will these has-been “celebrities” wake up and realize that we don’t give a royal rat’s a** what they think?

I agree…the have been used and skewed so much that they have lost much of the relevency that they really had.

That is why new arguments and terminology for the same social phenomena need to be created. Liberals have lost their relevence because they aren’t visionary. They can’t say what the world should be, only complain about what it is not.

Why is it everytime you see Jesse it is in a reactionary position fighting a singular ‘issue’ as opposed to presenting a progressive and visionary platform. That old model of civil rights is dead.

Pay no attention to the liberal plant named Raymond.

There is no hate here. Only love and problem solving.

- hate
- racism
- racist
- discrimination
- society’s fault
- “the system”

Here we have a classic demonstration of the conundrum facing the Black Conservative. Hated by the Black Left AND on many occassions by the Black Right.

Has something to do with that “telling the truth” thing.

The black loony lefts leaders fully understand the jig is up. They realize that with the presence of the internet and alternative information sources that they no longer have a monopoly on controlling black “thought.” As Blacks become more educated and affluent, we like anyone else would like very much to hold on to that new found wealth and keep it from the government. Combine that with a new found sense of belonging to the American process and Blacks are less likely to fall prey to the fear-mongerers and poverty pimps. Their messages cease to make sense anymore. In other words, you can’t be a Black Democrat and an American at the same time. Something has to give.

Now throw in the moral factors. Blacks are a conservative people. We abhor the concept of homosexulity and reject buffoonery such as gay “marriage.” We love God and are very demonstrative in letting people know that. We support strong education. We believe in strong traditional family models. Now, with all of this being said, the community has been infected by false messages, evil and selfish leadership and the disease of low expectations and celebration of mediocrity and even failure.

These conditions up until now have largely been promoted by the loony black left leadership who made billions off keeping blacks uneducated, angry and dependent.

This is all changing and it is changing for the better. The lies have been exposed. There is enough negativity in da hood such that we don’t need to hear more coming from the lips of our cartoonish so-called “black leaders.”

The old Civil Rights Movement is over, but someone forgot to tell the goon squad on Auburn Ave.

Black people are doing for themselves now. The only Blacks left for the loony leaders to prey on are school kids, the lazy good for nothing by choice poor and out college students. These are the people who still march with Jesse. Not because they believe in his cause, but because it gets them a day out of class or work

True the Republican party is the majority, but your camp has written the script by which the country lives. I’ve got to hand it to the left. They managed to divide and conquer the country with PC rhetoric, multi-culturalism, diversity programs, and race-baitiing. They didn’t have to do a thing but highjack our educational system – it was strategic mastery really. If white folks don’t stick to the script then they are racists. If black folks don’t stick to the script then they are self-hating house slaves. The liberal fat cats are sitting back and laughing their behinds off. As long as the races remain divided and people keep tripping all over themselves not to offend anyone, then they have job security. The left is all about division. Unity is kryptonite to the liberal ideology. Well some people need to be offended and I’m not going to follow the script the left wrote for my country anymore. ShawninDC, you are being played. As for myself, I’m going to fight like hell to get my country back. If the grant writers, bureaucrats, educrats, lobbyists, race pimps, and professional whiners find themselves unemployed, then I will know my camp is making progress. Until then, I think it is safe to say that the left wing extortionists are still firmly in control.

Same with a bunch of other very talented performers who aren’t bright enough to know that it’s bad form to offend and insult their audience. Sean Penn, Miles Davis, Babs Streisand, Alec Baldwin etc. etc; it’s a long list, sadly.

I think this is the pattern of the left. Call names and attack (same pattern you did) as opposed to debate the issues and ideas.

It doesn’t further the debate. It demolishes any form of debate. Do you know why?

How do conservatives or Republicans respond to the charge that they are tyrants, Nazi’s, American Taliban, evil, mean-spirited, etc.

The left wants to believe this and this is why they will CONTINUE to lose elections. Because most sane people realize there are ideas to be discussed and bantered about.

While there are many rank and file liberals who are “well-intentioned” and look for utopian solutions, many are influenced to think that conservatives or Republicans aren’t “well-intentioned” (this is a problem with liberals) just because many of our ideas are based on results, reality, common sense and truth.

For instance… will everybody putting into the pot of government and then government providing for everyone’s food, shelter, health care EQUALLY (because we all care about everyone and everyone is human) work or not… Well no.

In fact more prosperity is afforded to all with the economic system of capitalism (defined as the people chooosing who gets what resources) as opposed to the above system of communism. Sure we need regulations and a safety net to provide for the non-able bodied and elderly but if you listen to some liberals you’d think that conservatives are against safety nets or regulations entirely. How factual is that Andy S?