Dems are back on the “values” bandwagon, insisting that Republicans haven’t cornered the market on “religion.”
“I don’t think God is either a Democrat or a Republican,” said California state Sen. Jack Scott, a Democrat. “The moral values that I really care deeply about is justice for the poor and peacemaking and so that’s the reason that I wouldn’t call the Republican Party the party of religion.” (Source)
First of all, what a stinky web site the California State Senate has! (the General Assembly, too) Somebody ought to tell them the 80s are over. Second, somebody ought to tell Senator Scott that THIS is not a blog. I’m offended! Such cavalier attitudes about web design, standards, and functionality are atrocious, and I can’t believe Scott is trying to pass off a dated, static web page as a blog. I have a mind to…
What were we talking about? Oh! Values, right? Get this:
Democrats insist this effort isn’t new, and that strong, godly principles have always been abundantly clear in the party platform. Party leaders add that people can expect to see that awareness reflected in future Democratic outreach efforts.
Strong, godly principles, huh? I can’t wait to see what these “principles” look like. How liberals plan to win voters who think homosexual “marriage” is an abomination will be — to understate the matter — interesting.
Related:
- When Worlds Collide on the Moral Divide
- A Christian or a Liberal? (this one was hot, hot hot!)
- Jesus Was A Liberal
Did Falwell really say Vote Christian? Off with his head!
Update (8/11): Commenter Mike O.:
Being a little older than most commenters I can say that I used to be tolerant and now I’m intolerant. No, I didn’t change but the definition of tolerance in this PC country did.It used to be a virtue. It used to mean that even though I disagreed vehemently with your view, I treated you with respect and kindness. Now it means that I am to accept your view, no matter what it is, as having equal value in the marketplace of ideas. With this definition I’m being asked to call good what God calls evil. Sorry, if God calls it evil, I’m not going to disagree with Him to be PC.
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You don’t have to tell ME about validation errors, anonymous commenter. Can’t see the humor through all that bitterness, eh? Why you’re surfing on LBC is the REAL validation error. In your spare time, read this:
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/17/geeksrus/ – Admin
It’s not “someone’s” web site. It’s a government web site, CA government, to be exact. Then again, CA is supposed to be broke because of all those illegal aliens, so I guess I was a bit insensitive. Look, you’re not getting on this blog with that attitude. Change it, or begone. – Admin
Yeah, me too, “Uppity.” But such is the web, where manly men hide behind dumb aliases and leave cowardly comments on “weblogs.” Such sweet sorrow, parting is… – Admin
That’s one thing they get right, Aaron. It’s an adjective, so it’s supposed to in lowercase.
They are for the poor through using government money (the taxes I pay) which may or may not get to the poor. Like the tax money that went to the Gloria Wise charity and then somehow got siphoned off to go to Air America.
I guess I should become a born-again Christian as well so that I, too, can hold such a sanctimonious view of the world.
You know, has it ever occurred to any of you that not ALL liberals are represented by the Democratic party? That’s a serious question, by the way. Just curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
That’s strange, “Uppity,” because I’ve heard Democrats say that they’re not ALL liberals. One good slur deserves another, I guess.
The Religious Left is just as guilty as the Religious Right that they rant against.
Falwell says ‘Vote Christian’
Sorry…I meant to include this link…
http://lawnrangers.blogspot.com/2005/08/falwell-says-vote-christian.html
#8. Really not concerned who liberals are represented by as long as they remain out of power and out of controlling our lives with their perverted, satanic views on the world.
You cannot be a Christian and a Democrat (liberal) at the same time.
Would I be safe in assuming then, Raymond, that you’re only happy as long as like-minded individuals hold office in this country? That’s fair, because frankly, I’d like the same thing.
But you’ve gone too far in making such a crass generalization about liberals holding “perverted, satanic views”. I do, in fact, consider myself a liberal. I’m not perverted and I hold no Satanic views, nor do any of my liberal friends. To paint all liberals with such a broad brush doesn’t seem very Christian to me, Raymond. In fact, it reeks of intolerance.
I suppose I shouldn’t be so thin-skinned and quick to suppose that when you say “liberal” you mean ALL liberals, but I have a feeling that’s exactly your intention. If I’ve made an error in there somewhere, my apologies.
“That’s strange, “Uppity,†because I’ve heard Democrats say that they’re not ALL liberals.”
“La Shawn”, you’ve given me something to think about there. I may have to rethink my original statement.
Thank you.
Not all liberals are satanic, nor perverted; some are just hopelessly misinformed.
La Shawn:
Sorry. Conservatives don’t have an exclusive on religion. But Leftists have an exclusive on trying to destroy it.
In fact, it was religious people who pioneered a lot of Democratic ideas: Redistributing the wealth, Government care for “the poor”, and “taxing the rich”. Now these same people have given up religion.
Is the Democratic Party advocating for a spiritually Leftist theocracy?
A spiritual leftist theocracy sounds like a pretty huge oxymoron, given the fact that spirituality is the bane of leftists. Might be a difficult system to install.
Well, Uppity,
If you support Homosexual marriage, you’re supporting a perverted satanic movement.
So, if the shoe fits.
Dan
Sen. Jack Scott – “The moral values I really care most about is justice for the poor and peacemaking…”. So much concern that Democrat policies have removed fathers from homes and they seek appeasement at any price.
Tom
DIMocrats are a bunch of Neville Chamberlains…
To the detrement of morals and family values.
#13. Uppity Monkey. Just for the sake of argument, When I say liberals, I mean ALL of them. For me to say otherwise would be like me saying I don’t fear all Great White sharks when I am swimming in the ocean. Not all of them have bitten a human. It would be wrong for me to paint all Great White sharks with a broad brush labelling them as dangerous, man-eating killers.
Me intolerant? On many things…You’re dadgum skippy! In fact, “tolerance” as used today is another of those politically charged buzz words used to try and get normal Americans to “tolerate” perverted, satanic sexual behavior. The term is most commonly used by homosexuals. So again, YES, I am intolerant and proud. How’s that for fresh honesty? Liberals should try that sometime.
#19. Dear Dan:
Could you please tell me how homosexuality is satanic. Really. I can understand you thinking it’s wrong or immoral. But satanic?! Enlighten this misinformed individual.
#22. Hello again Raymond. You say you’re a Christian. Isn’t that quite at odds with your own admission of being intolerant? Am I wrong in thinking that Christians are supposed to be tolerant? I don’t mean to suggest that Christians are supposed to accept those things they disagree with, but I did think that tolerance would fit in there somewhere. And I like your Great White Shark analogy. It’s nice to know that we can keep a sense of humor alive during this discussion.
Have you ever read the Bible, “Uppity?” Christ was quite intolerant. Do me a favor. Before you do anymore presuming about Christians and how they should think and behave, open a Bible and read a few books. Fascinating stuff, and most of it will defy your presuppositions and blow your socks off.
Raymond – I wish I could find an emoticon that has its eyes rolling.
Christianity is not contained between the superficial polarities of liberal/conservative and to do so makes a mockery out of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, and the expression of the body of Christ through a myriad of different political and social structures throughout the ages.
Yes, liberal ideology does suck, but the rembember this, the only true theocratic government we will ever witness will be established by God himself in New Jerusalem.
I just have a problem when individuals distort scripture to impose political perspectives. Conservatism and Christianity are not one an the same.
You guys know how I like to at least try and simplify thing so here we go.
A partial list of Liberal Democrat values.
- Smoking dope is good. Legalize it.
- Don’t find out what is truly troubling your child and dare not spank of physically discipline him. Give him a Class II narcotic instead. Simplify your life.
- God is bad. He is not a creator. He is a destroyer.
- Jesus is evil
- Homosexuality and satanic sex is normal and good.
- Rob the rich and give it to the poor, lazy, sorry and good for nothing
- FBI and CIA bad.
- muslim terrorists and islam good.
- Christians bad.
- Jews bad.
- Wiccans and feminists good.
- It takes a village to raise a child unless of course you want to kill it in the womb and avoid raising it altogether.
- Racism is ok as long as it is used to retaliate against past racism against you. Discrimination to cure discrimination is just fine.
- US military bad.
- French military good.
- Self defense bad.
- Understanding and loving your terrorist enemy is good.
- USA flag bad.
- UN flag good.
- Priest homosexual rape scandal bad.
- UN child rape scandal no big deal.
- Clinton in office for 8 years and is responsible for: Somalia disaster, US Embassy bombings in Africa, Khobar Towers bombings, US Embassy in Riyhad bombing, USS Cole Bombing, WTC 93 bombing, 9/11 bombing (See Gorelick and “Able Danger” memo). Clinton good.
- Bush is office for only 8 months and no real info on 9/11. Bush bad.
- Dumb Dixie Chicks and Barbara Streisand good.
- Highly intelligent Rush Limbaugh, Alan Keyes, Walter Williams, Judge Roy Moore and Ann Coulter bad.
-………
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#24. Christians are not tolerant of everything. Where did you get that from. In fact, Christ is quite the intolerant of satanic filth like homosexuality. He destroyed two entire cities in a hail of fire and brimstone to prove it.
I know what you are saying. Christ didn’t do that. God did that. Well, Christ Incarnate didn’t do it, but Christ as a member of the Holy Trinity in the person of His Father (confused yet?) did do it and was quite clear that He is INTOLERANT of homosexual filth.
#26. hmmmmmm. The old “straw man” fallacy. Has to be since I neither said nor implied any of the garbage Dell alludes to in #26.
Raymond, don’t play silly when you get called on your rhetoric. You made a direct statement about ‘liberals’ and Christianity. I don’t do strawmen, all it takes is a dose of deductive reasoning to piece together your implied argument kiddo. Buck up, it is Thursday, one day before Friday, and then it will be Saturday.
#27, #28. Raymond:
Wow, so much to digest. And laugh at. This is what happens when you dare to assume SO much about a person simply because they identify themselves as a liberal.
Just because I feel like indulging you:
First of all, I don’t automatically sort everything into black/white or good/bad categories. To do so is ridiculous.
Secondly:
I don’t smoke dope, and don’t thing drugs should be legalized.
I have great kids (and not just by own admission) because my spouse and I have made it priority ONE and chosen to raise them as good and moral people. I don’t think Christians are bad.
I don’t think Jews are bad.
I think hypocrites are bad.
I think racism is bad.
I think the military is very necessary, and in fact, am married to a service member.
I could go on and on and pick apart your quaint little list of Democratic Values, but I think I’ve already made my point.
#25. “LaShawn”: Yes, I’ve read the Bible. However, I wasn’t asking for book recommendations (you think I’ve never been urged to read it?)… I was asking for personal viewpoints about Christianity and tolerance.
Now did I SAY you asked for recommendations? If you read the Bible, study and understand it, you’d know the nature of the God Christians worship instead of reciting your own philosophical ideas about who He is. – Admin
With all due respect (and contrary to popular belief here, I DO respect your opinions), I didn’t recite my own philosophical ideas about Christians or God… I ASKED for clarification.
You implied that God disapproved of “intolerance.” But if you want to play with words, you win. I’ll jump off the merry-go-round. – Admin
Raymond, you remind me of my late grandpa. He talked like you – no nonsense and to the point. He was also quite irreverent and enjoyed making people squirm when faced with a little bit of “hometruths.” I don’t always agree, but I do a great deal of the time. Irregardless, opinions stated honestly and without equivication is refreshing.
“How liberals plan to win voters who think homosexual “marriage†is an abomination will be — to understate the matter — interesting.”
I think the abominators can be left behind.
Alternatively, perhaps religious liberals simply put a higher priority on helping others than judging them.
Being a little older than most commenters I can say that I used to be tolerant and now I’m intolerant. No, I didn’t change but the defination of tolerance in this PC country did.
It used to be a virtue. It used to mean that even though I disagreed vhemently with your view, I treated you with respect and kindness. Now it means that I am to accept your view, no matter what it is, as having equal value in the marketplace of ideas. With this definition I’m being asked to call good what God calls evil. Sorry, if God calls it evil, I’m not going to disagree with Him to be PC.
In my view Sodom and Gamorah weren’t destroyed for homosexuality but for the general acceptance of it. Abraham got God down to 10 righteous in the whole population and there apparently weren’t even 10 offended by the sinfulness of those cities. Jesus often is portrayed as loving(which He is)and tolerant(maybe by the old definition true also)and a pacifist. I think there are many crooked temple moneychangers who interacted with Him personally who would disagree especially if given today’s definitions.
It appears that Dell and I both want a theocracy. No not like the one in Iran or even one here with some “Christian”guy telling us what God says. We want the real deal with Theos, read that Jesus, sitting on the throne. Look forward to meeting many of you in person there.
“We want the real deal with Theos, read that Jesus, sitting on the throne. Look forward to meeting many of you in person there.”
Would he start with his “let he who is without sin..” line? because the ensuing silence would be welcome.
Amen, Mike O.
#35. Mike: I think you’re onto something with your definitions of tolerance. And when I spoke of Christians showing tolerance earlier up the thread, I used the “t” word with your first definition in mind (”…that even though I disagreed vehemently with your view, I treated you with respect and kindness”), though I wasn’t able to define it as precisely as you’ve done.
#30 UppityMonkey; If what you wrote is true, than no way you are a Democrat.
djb:
Every word of what I wrote is true.
Perhaps I’m not a Democrat, after all. Maybe instead of being a Dem who leans right, it’s possible that I’m a Repub who leans a bit left. My husband jokes that I’m a conservative in denial, and maybe he’s right – I do hold a more conservative stance on a great many issues than most liberals.
Liberals: take Saddam the mass murderer out of office BAD
Liberals: kill unborn children in the wombs of their mothers GOOD
Liberals profess to be loving and good and possibly even christian?
What the left will “tolerate” is quite disturbing
#31. Thank you Independent. Your Grandfather sounds like a great American. I get most of who I am now from my father. Actually from most of my family. We only know one way how to say it. Just give me the truth. It makes for much better relationships. We don’t have many family arguments because everyone knows pretty much where everyone stands and that is respected.
Imagine this. My father and I albeit very close even pledged rival fraternities in college. While I was slated to attend his college as a legacy, I instead chose to be the first in my family not to attend this famous Atlanta HBCU and instead went with my second choice to attend a very large, predominanatly white, Florida university famous for kicking the crap out of the school who has a painted man in a dress riding a spotted dog carrying a FLAMING (no pun intended spear), but I digress….
The point I am trying to make is that I come from a family of 4 brothers. No sisters. Major testosterone. In the same household, we have college football players, combat veterans, Gator, Nole and Cane fans. You do the math.
We get right to the point.
Keep laying ‘em low Independent. We don’t have to always agree, but it is good to know that there are people out there who just want the facts and just give the facts.
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