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		<title>By: WordWizard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-58083</link>
		<dc:creator>WordWizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the early 90s, when I was conducting research for a non-profit on the dumbing down of education, we called it Academic Abuse because of the damage it inflicts upon the educational and emotional growth of our children (particularly our minority children.)

I don&#039;t have trackback, or perhaps I just don&#039;t know how to use it. (Whew, I&#039;m sure glad there is no qualifying test for bloggers.) But, I have made an entry on my blog (linking to this great post) that expounds on the dangers inherent in the Dumbing Down of America, which has been apparent in a myriad of instances.

I intend to begin a regular feature on my blog that points out various occurances and consequences from the Dumbing Down of America. Thanks La Shawn for reminding me of the importance of this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the early 90s, when I was conducting research for a non-profit on the dumbing down of education, we called it Academic Abuse because of the damage it inflicts upon the educational and emotional growth of our children (particularly our minority children.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have trackback, or perhaps I just don&#8217;t know how to use it. (Whew, I&#8217;m sure glad there is no qualifying test for bloggers.) But, I have made an entry on my blog (linking to this great post) that expounds on the dangers inherent in the Dumbing Down of America, which has been apparent in a myriad of instances.</p>
<p>I intend to begin a regular feature on my blog that points out various occurances and consequences from the Dumbing Down of America. Thanks La Shawn for reminding me of the importance of this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-58067</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woooww, I&#039;ve seen in public education where names have been changed from Dick and Jane to Shaquan and Yolanda.  Believe me it doesn&#039;t do a thing if you don&#039;t have phonics and reading comprehension.  Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woooww, I&#8217;ve seen in public education where names have been changed from Dick and Jane to Shaquan and Yolanda.  Believe me it doesn&#8217;t do a thing if you don&#8217;t have phonics and reading comprehension.  Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: woooww</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-58063</link>
		<dc:creator>woooww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By implication. Obviously whatever cognitive ability measured by the written test is too high for blacks to pass it, so the threshold will have to be lowered so more can pass it&quot;

It could be changed. Its not like there is 1 test for &#039;cognitive ability.&#039;  There could be 2 different tests, both able to measure fitness for being a firefighter, but have different racial passage rates.  The one with the more egalitarian passage rate is obviously preferred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By implication. Obviously whatever cognitive ability measured by the written test is too high for blacks to pass it, so the threshold will have to be lowered so more can pass it&#8221;</p>
<p>It could be changed. Its not like there is 1 test for &#8216;cognitive ability.&#8217;  There could be 2 different tests, both able to measure fitness for being a firefighter, but have different racial passage rates.  The one with the more egalitarian passage rate is obviously preferred.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-58039</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn, you are so right. Dumbing down tests and forgeting past &#039;minor&#039; arrests is racism, impure and simple. Everyone should be offended by this. Next will they come up with signboards which read, &quot;If you are black and can read this, would you like to be a firefighter?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn, you are so right. Dumbing down tests and forgeting past &#8216;minor&#8217; arrests is racism, impure and simple. Everyone should be offended by this. Next will they come up with signboards which read, &#8220;If you are black and can read this, would you like to be a firefighter?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: holdfast</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-58031</link>
		<dc:creator>holdfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am totally opposed to slashing standards to benefit a specific minority - it is much better to help raise the quailty of candidates.  That said, and this is just based on the article so it may be wrong, it sounds like the testing may be inappropriate.  Prior to 2000, blacks were able to get hired - what changed?  The de-emphasis on, and then elimination of, the physical tests.  Call me crazy, but doesn&#039;t physical fitness and ability have a little something to do with one&#039;s ability to be a firefighter?  Oh right, those tests were hard on women.  This is really the perfect liberal storm isn&#039;t it - remove a legitimate test that women are poor at and instead institute an overly-rigorous intelligence test (firefighting, not brain surgery remember?) that fails what are otherwise well-qualified minority candidates.  Brilliant! 

Of course now, this is a problem - and will be solved by even more tweaking of standards and pencil-wipes. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally opposed to slashing standards to benefit a specific minority &#8211; it is much better to help raise the quailty of candidates.  That said, and this is just based on the article so it may be wrong, it sounds like the testing may be inappropriate.  Prior to 2000, blacks were able to get hired &#8211; what changed?  The de-emphasis on, and then elimination of, the physical tests.  Call me crazy, but doesn&#8217;t physical fitness and ability have a little something to do with one&#8217;s ability to be a firefighter?  Oh right, those tests were hard on women.  This is really the perfect liberal storm isn&#8217;t it &#8211; remove a legitimate test that women are poor at and instead institute an overly-rigorous intelligence test (firefighting, not brain surgery remember?) that fails what are otherwise well-qualified minority candidates.  Brilliant! </p>
<p>Of course now, this is a problem &#8211; and will be solved by even more tweaking of standards and pencil-wipes.</p>
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		<title>By: woooww</title>
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		<dc:creator>woooww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article says nothing about the test becoming dumber, or a poorer measure of one&#039;s ability to be a firefighter.

&lt;em&gt;By implication. Obviously whatever cognitive ability measured by the written test is too high for blacks to pass it,  so the threshold will have to be lowered so more can pass it.  - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article says nothing about the test becoming dumber, or a poorer measure of one&#8217;s ability to be a firefighter.</p>
<p><em>By implication. Obviously whatever cognitive ability measured by the written test is too high for blacks to pass it,  so the threshold will have to be lowered so more can pass it.  &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dell Gines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dell Gines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan - 1st, where did I mention bigotry and unkindness?

2nd - &quot;When I arrived back here in the US, I was stunned by the overwhelming emphasis on race, which I believe is being promulgated by white liberals and black activists.&quot;

No disrespect, but I don&#039;t think that is an intelligent conclusion. It is promulgated by white people in general irrespective of political affinity. WEB Dubois back in the early 1900&#039;s stated that the greatest problem in the 20th century will be one of the color line.  The great Evangelist Billy Graham himself stated racism is the one sin he would eliminate most from America.  The fact is racial polarization was created and institutionalized in America unlike in any other nation (all of which have entrenched discrimination in other formats) by virtue of the legacy of slavery and the psuedo-science and heretical Christian doctrine that drew a line between blacks and whites. 

The apple doesn&#039;t fall far from the tree, and a tree can produce fruit of a different kind.  

If you think it is just liberals and activist who continue this racial polarization, I suggest you visit your average church on Sunday. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan &#8211; 1st, where did I mention bigotry and unkindness?</p>
<p>2nd &#8211; &#8220;When I arrived back here in the US, I was stunned by the overwhelming emphasis on race, which I believe is being promulgated by white liberals and black activists.&#8221;</p>
<p>No disrespect, but I don&#8217;t think that is an intelligent conclusion. It is promulgated by white people in general irrespective of political affinity. WEB Dubois back in the early 1900&#8217;s stated that the greatest problem in the 20th century will be one of the color line.  The great Evangelist Billy Graham himself stated racism is the one sin he would eliminate most from America.  The fact is racial polarization was created and institutionalized in America unlike in any other nation (all of which have entrenched discrimination in other formats) by virtue of the legacy of slavery and the psuedo-science and heretical Christian doctrine that drew a line between blacks and whites. </p>
<p>The apple doesn&#8217;t fall far from the tree, and a tree can produce fruit of a different kind.  </p>
<p>If you think it is just liberals and activist who continue this racial polarization, I suggest you visit your average church on Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#85.  LOL!!!

#76.  Be careful Proud Albertan.  The only leaders Black people need are the ones they see in the mirror each morning.

We don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; leaders.

&lt;em&gt;Raymond, PLEASE consolidate your comments. - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#85.  LOL!!!</p>
<p>#76.  Be careful Proud Albertan.  The only leaders Black people need are the ones they see in the mirror each morning.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; leaders.</p>
<p><em>Raymond, PLEASE consolidate your comments. &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Itâ€™s not me, right? Itâ€™s them. 
&gt; Tell me Iâ€™m not losing my mindâ€¦


It&#039;s not you. It *is* them. And you&#039;re not losing your mind.

I&#039;ve seen this kind of thing first-hand. Thank you for your voice of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Itâ€™s not me, right? Itâ€™s them.<br />
&gt; Tell me Iâ€™m not losing my mindâ€¦</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not you. It *is* them. And you&#8217;re not losing your mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this kind of thing first-hand. Thank you for your voice of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-57956</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#79 and #82
Some people sink because of a high bone and muscle mass.
When I was 18, I was put on a diet to gain body fat, becasue at the time I would sink unless treading water in a very vigorous fashion.  My naturally high bone mass, combined with 3% body fat (working outdoors in construction, swimming 12-24 laps each morning will do that to you) made me buoy out well under the surface.
Anyway, many black men have a high bone mass relative to the national average, so there are a dispr. number of sinkers in that pop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#79 and #82<br />
Some people sink because of a high bone and muscle mass.<br />
When I was 18, I was put on a diet to gain body fat, becasue at the time I would sink unless treading water in a very vigorous fashion.  My naturally high bone mass, combined with 3% body fat (working outdoors in construction, swimming 12-24 laps each morning will do that to you) made me buoy out well under the surface.<br />
Anyway, many black men have a high bone mass relative to the national average, so there are a dispr. number of sinkers in that pop.</p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/denver/comment-page-2/#comment-57945</link>
		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikem said:  &quot;redbeard: Youâ€™re one of the small percentage of â€˜goodâ€™ whites.&quot;

Whew!  What a relief!  That&#039;s a load off my mind.  ;) :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikem said:  &#8220;redbeard: Youâ€™re one of the small percentage of â€˜goodâ€™ whites.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whew!  What a relief!  That&#8217;s a load off my mind.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG says &quot;for blacks to play color blind in a society that distinctly is not, has not, and has demonstrated a blatant propensity to treat other groups wrong based on color....&quot;

I wonder, from a pragmatic realist point of view, what bigoted, unkind white people with their ongoing distinct propensity to mistreat groups, would have to do to satisfy your &#039;test&#039;.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG says &#8220;for blacks to play color blind in a society that distinctly is not, has not, and has demonstrated a blatant propensity to treat other groups wrong based on color&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder, from a pragmatic realist point of view, what bigoted, unkind white people with their ongoing distinct propensity to mistreat groups, would have to do to satisfy your &#8216;test&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond;

This is totally off subject, but for some reason, I was thinking of you and your irreverent sense of humor when I passed a woman on an Austin street corner, holding up a sign, asking for $$$$.  She had one leg amputated,was really cute, and her sign said, &quot;On my last leg!&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond;</p>
<p>This is totally off subject, but for some reason, I was thinking of you and your irreverent sense of humor when I passed a woman on an Austin street corner, holding up a sign, asking for $$$$.  She had one leg amputated,was really cute, and her sign said, &#8220;On my last leg!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Awesome Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn, do you know how to swim?  Just teasing.  I don&#039;t care -- though, if you don&#039;t know you should learn.  Why do you pull punches all the time?  Tell us what you really think!
God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn, do you know how to swim?  Just teasing.  I don&#8217;t care &#8212; though, if you don&#8217;t know you should learn.  Why do you pull punches all the time?  Tell us what you really think!<br />
God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: mikem</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>redbeard: You&#039;re one of the small percentage of &#039;good&#039; whites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redbeard: You&#8217;re one of the small percentage of &#8216;good&#8217; whites.</p>
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