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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;White Flight&#8217; Declared Illegal in Texas School District</title>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-58158</link>
		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brotherbrown;
Testifying before the House  Subcomittee on 21st Century Competitiveness, in 2003, Rod Paige said:&quot;There is widespread awareness that the subject matter knowledge and teaching skills of teachers play a central role in the success of elementary and secondary education reform.&quot;  Margaret Spellings was on C-SPAN making the statement that the studies had indicated randomness between money spent per pupil and student outcome and that it was the quality of the teacher that was the critical factor.  As well, Carolyn Hoxby&#039;s studies made very explicit staements about the teacher in the classroom,  And, Thomas Sowell was adamant about it.  Weirdly enough, those who have made a lifetime of studying the field, have actually published some of their empirical findings.  And this bothers you when their studies are used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brotherbrown;<br />
Testifying before the House  Subcomittee on 21st Century Competitiveness, in 2003, Rod Paige said:&#8221;There is widespread awareness that the subject matter knowledge and teaching skills of teachers play a central role in the success of elementary and secondary education reform.&#8221;  Margaret Spellings was on C-SPAN making the statement that the studies had indicated randomness between money spent per pupil and student outcome and that it was the quality of the teacher that was the critical factor.  As well, Carolyn Hoxby&#8217;s studies made very explicit staements about the teacher in the classroom,  And, Thomas Sowell was adamant about it.  Weirdly enough, those who have made a lifetime of studying the field, have actually published some of their empirical findings.  And this bothers you when their studies are used?</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-58156</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This....

&lt;em&gt;I teach 9th and 11th graders at one of the *top* public schools in the city&lt;/em&gt;

Followed by this...

&lt;em&gt;I found him the day of the fall riots, when I had to put my freshmen on lockdown in my classroom. The riot in the spring was much worse.&lt;/em&gt;

Doesn&#039;t ring a bell. I know students at 2 of the 3 top public schools in the system. The first quoted school with the bathrooms come close to fitting, but drug use in the school isn&#039;t the problem.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This&#8230;.</p>
<p><em>I teach 9th and 11th graders at one of the *top* public schools in the city</em></p>
<p>Followed by this&#8230;</p>
<p><em>I found him the day of the fall riots, when I had to put my freshmen on lockdown in my classroom. The riot in the spring was much worse.</em></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t ring a bell. I know students at 2 of the 3 top public schools in the system. The first quoted school with the bathrooms come close to fitting, but drug use in the school isn&#8217;t the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: mollo</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-58152</link>
		<dc:creator>mollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Bryan, a short drive from Hearne and the news is plastered all the papers and tv.  What everybody here is saying is that this was a case of &quot;white flight&quot; but that is a mistake.  Here&#039;s a look at the racial make-up of all the students that transferred from Hearne to Mumford:

Whites: 60
Blacks : 40
Hispanics: 110

This whole debatical is over 60 white students, which just barely cross the threshold of 50%.  

Hearne is a district of 1187 students and Mumford barely has enough students to keep the doors open.  I would hardly call this &quot;siphoning off&quot; the white students from Hearne.  

In Texas, we get to elect quite a few of our Judges.....  Revenge can be sweet.

The counter discrimation suits are in the works already.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Bryan, a short drive from Hearne and the news is plastered all the papers and tv.  What everybody here is saying is that this was a case of &#8220;white flight&#8221; but that is a mistake.  Here&#8217;s a look at the racial make-up of all the students that transferred from Hearne to Mumford:</p>
<p>Whites: 60<br />
Blacks : 40<br />
Hispanics: 110</p>
<p>This whole debatical is over 60 white students, which just barely cross the threshold of 50%.  </p>
<p>Hearne is a district of 1187 students and Mumford barely has enough students to keep the doors open.  I would hardly call this &#8220;siphoning off&#8221; the white students from Hearne.  </p>
<p>In Texas, we get to elect quite a few of our Judges&#8230;..  Revenge can be sweet.</p>
<p>The counter discrimation suits are in the works already.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-58104</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, Jen. This is what parents must deal with if they send their kids to government schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, Jen. This is what parents must deal with if they send their kids to government schools.</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-58103</link>
		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn,  I know that in Cleveland, TX, that school just lost its accreditation and now parents are free to send their kids to other schools.  This is part of the No Child Left Behind Act.  

There is a predominantly white school nearby called Tarkington ISD where many of the Cleveland parents want to send their children.  There is a large mix of races at Cleveland as that town in the bigger one.  

If Hearne interests you, then you may want to look into the Cleveland/Tarkington case as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn,  I know that in Cleveland, TX, that school just lost its accreditation and now parents are free to send their kids to other schools.  This is part of the No Child Left Behind Act.  </p>
<p>There is a predominantly white school nearby called Tarkington ISD where many of the Cleveland parents want to send their children.  There is a large mix of races at Cleveland as that town in the bigger one.  </p>
<p>If Hearne interests you, then you may want to look into the Cleveland/Tarkington case as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brotherbrown writes (with irony): &quot;Everyone I meet knows how to fix the system.&quot;

Isn&#039;t it passing strange that not one of them has ventured to fix even one little, only partially broken system?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brotherbrown writes (with irony): &#8220;Everyone I meet knows how to fix the system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it passing strange that not one of them has ventured to fix even one little, only partially broken system?</p>
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		<title>By: BaltimoreTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>BaltimoreTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a white teacher in a predominantly black school in the Baltimore City public school system, I read the article and comments with some interest. Let me tell you what it&#039;s like on the front lines...

I teach 9th and 11th graders at one of the *top* public schools in the city, but you&#039;d never know it. Many of the freshmen can&#039;t read on a 9th grade level, much less a 5th grade one. Grammar, spelling, and vocabulary are atrocious. 

The student bathrooms have no soap and no toilet paper. Many stalls have no doors on them because of students being sexually assaulted in the bathrooms. The boys&#039; bathrooms are usually locked on every floor because of numerous problems with drug deals and gambling. Mice run rampant, both in the cafeteria and in classrooms...the one that lives in my desk I have named Steamboat Willie. I found him the day of the fall riots, when I had to put my freshmen on lockdown in my classroom. The riot in the spring was much worse. 

Last year was my first year, and was nearly my last. I cried daily because I had never worked in such horrible, awful conditions. I was a lousy, crappy teacher. How can anyone expect a first-year teacher to survive, much less succeed in an environment like that? I chose to return because I want to make a difference to some of these kids-the ones who come every morning to sit and talk while I have my coffee, who eat lunch with me daily, who ask me to read their college essays and look at their art projects. 

To students succeed in classrooms with well-educated and highly qualified teachers? Not all. Student motivation plays a large role in their success. I had a lot of bright, lazy kids who did horribly because there was no emphasis on their education at home. Teachers can only take so much responsibility. I do the best I can with the meager supplies I am given-15 year old textbooks that kids can&#039;t even take home because we don&#039;t have enough. The parents aren&#039;t involved, they don&#039;t care...they eat government cheese but drive Escalades. 

Federal funding? What&#039;s that? In Baltimore City, it lines the pockets of the administrators and the kids know it. The superintendent wonders why the kids start fires daily...but their anger is nothing compared to mine.

There is no solution to this but to dismantle public education as we know it. My boyfriend and I have already decided that when we have children that I will stay at home and homeschool the children. I would never, ever, put my child in a public school. I feel for the people who have no choice because private education is simply out of their reach. I applaud all those parents who pull their children out of poor-performing schools! Do whatever it takes to make sure your child can do the best they can. But do me a favor...if your child is doing poorly, don&#039;t jump on the teacher; talk to them. Work with them. Teachers are your greatest ally if you work with them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a white teacher in a predominantly black school in the Baltimore City public school system, I read the article and comments with some interest. Let me tell you what it&#8217;s like on the front lines&#8230;</p>
<p>I teach 9th and 11th graders at one of the *top* public schools in the city, but you&#8217;d never know it. Many of the freshmen can&#8217;t read on a 9th grade level, much less a 5th grade one. Grammar, spelling, and vocabulary are atrocious. </p>
<p>The student bathrooms have no soap and no toilet paper. Many stalls have no doors on them because of students being sexually assaulted in the bathrooms. The boys&#8217; bathrooms are usually locked on every floor because of numerous problems with drug deals and gambling. Mice run rampant, both in the cafeteria and in classrooms&#8230;the one that lives in my desk I have named Steamboat Willie. I found him the day of the fall riots, when I had to put my freshmen on lockdown in my classroom. The riot in the spring was much worse. </p>
<p>Last year was my first year, and was nearly my last. I cried daily because I had never worked in such horrible, awful conditions. I was a lousy, crappy teacher. How can anyone expect a first-year teacher to survive, much less succeed in an environment like that? I chose to return because I want to make a difference to some of these kids-the ones who come every morning to sit and talk while I have my coffee, who eat lunch with me daily, who ask me to read their college essays and look at their art projects. </p>
<p>To students succeed in classrooms with well-educated and highly qualified teachers? Not all. Student motivation plays a large role in their success. I had a lot of bright, lazy kids who did horribly because there was no emphasis on their education at home. Teachers can only take so much responsibility. I do the best I can with the meager supplies I am given-15 year old textbooks that kids can&#8217;t even take home because we don&#8217;t have enough. The parents aren&#8217;t involved, they don&#8217;t care&#8230;they eat government cheese but drive Escalades. </p>
<p>Federal funding? What&#8217;s that? In Baltimore City, it lines the pockets of the administrators and the kids know it. The superintendent wonders why the kids start fires daily&#8230;but their anger is nothing compared to mine.</p>
<p>There is no solution to this but to dismantle public education as we know it. My boyfriend and I have already decided that when we have children that I will stay at home and homeschool the children. I would never, ever, put my child in a public school. I feel for the people who have no choice because private education is simply out of their reach. I applaud all those parents who pull their children out of poor-performing schools! Do whatever it takes to make sure your child can do the best they can. But do me a favor&#8230;if your child is doing poorly, don&#8217;t jump on the teacher; talk to them. Work with them. Teachers are your greatest ally if you work with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany In Mpls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany In Mpls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks talk about teachers like they are the devil&#039;s spawn or something and since my mama has been struggling to educate kids since 1970, I choose to bow out of these discussions lest my pressure rise..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks talk about teachers like they are the devil&#8217;s spawn or something and since my mama has been struggling to educate kids since 1970, I choose to bow out of these discussions lest my pressure rise..</p>
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		<title>By: brotherbrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>brotherbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heliotrope, that was Jan Brauer who cited studies about teacher quality and student performance.  I, too, am skeptical.

It&#039;s truly amazing how many education experts there are.  Everyone I meet knows how to fix the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heliotrope, that was Jan Brauer who cited studies about teacher quality and student performance.  I, too, am skeptical.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s truly amazing how many education experts there are.  Everyone I meet knows how to fix the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/08/10/whiteflight/comment-page-2/#comment-57962</link>
		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72 Mwalimu Daudi: Your post last evening read like my resume. Your descriptions and frustrations are being played out all across the country.

What is most discouraging to me is that the states have jammed their social services programs with a few bright stars and a cesspool of 9 to 5 &quot;let&#039;s don&#039;t, but say we did&quot; types who are snug in the system and practically useless.

Futhermore, for all the bad news the news media loves to report, their liberal bias keeps them from even looking into public education and the rotten core in so many schools.

Veteran teachers with a streak of honesty know that what you have written in the core truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#72 Mwalimu Daudi: Your post last evening read like my resume. Your descriptions and frustrations are being played out all across the country.</p>
<p>What is most discouraging to me is that the states have jammed their social services programs with a few bright stars and a cesspool of 9 to 5 &#8220;let&#8217;s don&#8217;t, but say we did&#8221; types who are snug in the system and practically useless.</p>
<p>Futhermore, for all the bad news the news media loves to report, their liberal bias keeps them from even looking into public education and the rotten core in so many schools.</p>
<p>Veteran teachers with a streak of honesty know that what you have written in the core truth.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard,
If your mother walked 3 miles to school in 4 feet of snow, uphill, each way, I&#039;d suspect she went to the same school in Iowa my father attended.
Seriously though, my father also went to a one room, without electricity, until going to the county high school at age 14.
He&#039;s more knowledgeable and better educated than many of the Ivy leagers from the mainline I deal with on a daily basis.
But this was back before all of the educational fads and spending took place, when teaching was a calling and you showed respect or got a beating.  Then got another when your parents found out you showed the teacher the wrong side of your tongue.
These days, though not when I was younger, I am glad my father instilled in me some of what he got when growing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard,<br />
If your mother walked 3 miles to school in 4 feet of snow, uphill, each way, I&#8217;d suspect she went to the same school in Iowa my father attended.<br />
Seriously though, my father also went to a one room, without electricity, until going to the county high school at age 14.<br />
He&#8217;s more knowledgeable and better educated than many of the Ivy leagers from the mainline I deal with on a daily basis.<br />
But this was back before all of the educational fads and spending took place, when teaching was a calling and you showed respect or got a beating.  Then got another when your parents found out you showed the teacher the wrong side of your tongue.<br />
These days, though not when I was younger, I am glad my father instilled in me some of what he got when growing up.</p>
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		<title>By: The Colossus of Rhodey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Colossus of Rhodey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;How dare parents look out for their kids!&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s gotta be &quot;racism&quot;: &#039;White flight&#039; from Hearne ruled illegal. I see Hube has already commented on this La Shawn Barber noted post; it&#039;s amazing to me that today people still cling to outdated notions of &quot;the right thing to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>How dare parents look out for their kids!</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotta be &#8220;racism&#8221;: &#8216;White flight&#8217; from Hearne ruled illegal. I see Hube has already commented on this La Shawn Barber noted post; it&#8217;s amazing to me that today people still cling to outdated notions of &#8220;the right thing to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hube</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What La Shawn says was also the basis for what then-Associate Justice William Rehnquist called the &quot;most draconian desegregation plan ever&quot; -- the Wilmington, Delaware 1978 plan. The plaintiffs argued that mixing middle/upper class white kids with poor inner-city [mostly] black kids would dramatically raise the performance of the latter. After 20 years (when the federal order was lifted), however, the average GPA of those inner-city [mostly] black kids remained &lt;em&gt;exactly the same.&lt;/em&gt; The main sociologist that argued in favor of the Wilmington plan actually later &lt;em&gt;reversed&lt;/em&gt; his main thesis b/c there just wasn&#039;t evidence to support the contention that the mere presence of white students (in a mostly white school, at that) would raise inner-city [mostly] black student achievement.

Now, of course, many of the same &quot;activists&quot; that supported the original case are arguing that &quot;tracking&quot; and other factors &lt;em&gt;inside&lt;/em&gt; classrooms are discriminating against the inner-city [mostly] black kids. It&#039;s &quot;subtle&quot; racism that is &quot;holding these kids back&quot; now, including the &quot;latent racism&quot; of the mostly white teachers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What La Shawn says was also the basis for what then-Associate Justice William Rehnquist called the &#8220;most draconian desegregation plan ever&#8221; &#8212; the Wilmington, Delaware 1978 plan. The plaintiffs argued that mixing middle/upper class white kids with poor inner-city [mostly] black kids would dramatically raise the performance of the latter. After 20 years (when the federal order was lifted), however, the average GPA of those inner-city [mostly] black kids remained <em>exactly the same.</em> The main sociologist that argued in favor of the Wilmington plan actually later <em>reversed</em> his main thesis b/c there just wasn&#8217;t evidence to support the contention that the mere presence of white students (in a mostly white school, at that) would raise inner-city [mostly] black student achievement.</p>
<p>Now, of course, many of the same &#8220;activists&#8221; that supported the original case are arguing that &#8220;tracking&#8221; and other factors <em>inside</em> classrooms are discriminating against the inner-city [mostly] black kids. It&#8217;s &#8220;subtle&#8221; racism that is &#8220;holding these kids back&#8221; now, including the &#8220;latent racism&#8221; of the mostly white teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PurpleMD;  
You&#039;re so so right about the NEA.  One of the biggest problems we are facing in America is the enormous group of people who are the net beneficiaries of the taxes of others.  Teacher&#039;s unions use their enormous clout to elect those who will distribute the most &#039;goodies&#039;.  People are losing their homes all over Texas to feed the insatiable appetite of the NEA,(and other government entities), while being led to believe that we have a severe underfunding problem. After a year of researching the actual figures, I am shocked, appalled, disgusted, and disheartened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PurpleMD;<br />
You&#8217;re so so right about the NEA.  One of the biggest problems we are facing in America is the enormous group of people who are the net beneficiaries of the taxes of others.  Teacher&#8217;s unions use their enormous clout to elect those who will distribute the most &#8216;goodies&#8217;.  People are losing their homes all over Texas to feed the insatiable appetite of the NEA,(and other government entities), while being led to believe that we have a severe underfunding problem. After a year of researching the actual figures, I am shocked, appalled, disgusted, and disheartened.</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to your mom, redbeard!</description>
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