Update II (4:17 p.m.): The “poor and hungry” are shooting at rescue workers and helicopters. Classy. Liberal apologists will excuse/defend it, I’m sure. Anybody brandishing a gun who’s not wearing a uniform should be shot on sight.
Update III (7:18 p.m.): People were murdered yesterday. Reports of rape today. Shoot.On.Sight.
Watch the video of COPS stealing. Embarrassing!
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…whether they’re carrying a case of beer or a case of guns. Law and order is disintegrating, and it’s only going to get worse. People are stealing firearms, computers, televisions, jewelry — the formation of roaming, pillaging, and raping gangs isn’t far behind.
I imagine it would be difficult to point a gun at someone carrying a bag of food, water, diapers, and a crying baby in his arms. I know that people are hungry, thirsty, frustrated and desperate. Some survivors might be stealing guns to protect their families from other looters, but someone has to draw a line somewhere.
As tensions rise, chaos will increase. I hope the worst dissipates before anyone is shot, but law enforcement must protect people and enforce the law, even if it means shooting looters on sight.
Gunshots repeatedly rang out and fires flared around the city as looters broke into stores, houses, hospitals and office buildings — some in search of food, others looking for anything of value. They broke windows, tore down security gates and knocked down doors, then hauled away what they could carry or cart. (Source)
Should desperate times call for desperate measures? Are people still obliged to obey the authorities even if they’re cold, wet, homeless, and hungry, or is it Thunderdome? Christians know the answers to those questions.
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. (Romans 13)
Lest some of you get it twisted, the Apostle Paul didn’t speak these words in the context of a theocracy. He was a citizen of Rome speaking to Christians about civil government specifically and all forms of government generally. Bible-believing Christians know that God is sovereign over all things, including our appointed leaders, whether the leaders believe in Him or not, and we’re to obey those in authority.
Catch me tonight around 8:30 p.m. EDT on Hugh Hewitt’s show as we talk about blogger fundraising for the hurricane victims. I’m asking LBC readers to give to the Salvation Army.
(CBS News photo)
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Read more about looters and cancellations. Can law and order be restored?
Live-blogging the looting (via Wires from the Bunker)
Update (10:16 a.m.): Evacuation Disrupted Amid Fires, Gunshots:
Tempers flared elsewhere across the devastated region. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Miss., fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus. One officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. Both were expected to survive. (Emphasis added)
Looters Are the Worst of Humanity (via Booker Rising)
There’s a rumor going around that my shoot on sight idea is not befitting of a “compassionate conservative.” I have no idea what a compassionate conservative is, nor have I ever claimed to be one. 
Police and Owners Begin to Challenge Looters
Peggy Noonan: “As for the tragic piggism that is taking place on the streets of New Orleans, it is not unbelievable but it is unforgivable, and I hope the looters are shot.” (via Professor Bainbridge)
8:42 p.m.: COMMENTING IS CLOSED FOR THE NIGHT. Will re-open in the morning.
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Next the rape and killings that happened inside the dome while people were trying to help will be justified and blamed on the govenment also…
disgusting
Renee,
Sounds like you should be angry at the shooters, not the looters.. GEESH
Today the governor ordered his police force to protect material assets and to stop saving lives.
My point is that materialism (and shooting) works both ways. Who cares about the big screen TVs more? The looters aren’t in a position to help anyone, they have nothing better to do. The police force, on the other hand could do everyone a favor by leaving the looters alone.
anarchist…
the looters stealing tvs are the ones shooting…GEESH
anarchist…
you also must have missed that those trying to get in and save people are being shot at…
so leaving the looters alone doesn’t help at all
Renee I am against illegal immigration – vdare.com
Bush is making all Republicans look bad – he messed on the word Relief he said Release he then said word effort instead of work
Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff told people in New Orleans not to go the Superdome? Where are they suppose to go to be picked up? No ONe is addressing the crisis at the New Orleans Convention CEnter?? Can’t we drop some supplies from the air?? This is turning into the receipe for a massacre from the guntoting 30,000 soliders and deseperation.
Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? ‘Times-Picayune’ Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
This administration is just plain stupid.
SCSIwuzzy, my question was why do people behave one way in one disaster, and not in another? I am a native New Yorker, and worked at both towers of the World Trade Center. On 9/11, no one expected the first hijacked plane that crashed into 1WTC, or the second that hit 2WTC, and by then everyone was expecting a third or fourth attack. The antenna on 1WTC crashed about 114 stories when the building collapsed, knocking out communications for days. New Orleans had a CAT 4 hurricane on the way, and everyone but the dead knew it, and could leave. I’ll take Mother Nature over terrorists anytime, and I won’t loot! It’s interesting to me that you bring up our bombing of Hiroshima, and not the suprise attack on Pearl Harbor! Peace through superior firepower!
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In case it is not mentioned here, most of the people in New Orleans are not looting.
The 9/11 terrorist attack did not render all of Manhattan inhabitable, did not knock out clean water and electricity, although a great many people were displaced. The east coast brownout is a closer comparison because many people were stranded, but that was for a short period of time.
I know it is a difficult thing for an avowed conservative to show compassion, but a disaster is a disaster. If the country could pull together when NYC needed us, certainly it can do so now.
Tom,
Calm down, maybe re-read.
I bring up Hiroshima, not because the US did the bombing, but because of the level of devastation to a civilian locus. Pearl Harbor, while there was civilian damage, the base was the primary target and bore the brunt of that.
I’ll stand by my comment, however, that NYC was far more functional during and after 9/11 than NOLA is now. That is a huge factor, in that the bad actors in NYC knew that the city was still able to respond, and there were plenty of witnesses and people who might step in. There was looting at the time, but it was in comparision minor and limited.
Most of Manhattan was still living and staying on the island.
In NOLA, everything has broken down, and most people, good and bad, have cleared out.
But it seems clear that many stayed for the looting, or upon seeing the easy pickings, joined in.
It was clear days ahead of time that much of the city would be abandoned for days or weeks afterward. As you said, 9/11 gave no warning. Katrina gave warning, and some people used that time to plan.
anarchist,
when the looters are armed, and carjacking vehicles and assaulting hospitals and retirement homes, then law needs to step in. If your friends or relatives died in a hosptial because of looters, would you be OK with it if somebody said “eh, the insurance will cover that”?
SCSIwuzzy asks:
If your friends or relatives died in a hosptial because of looters, would you be OK with it if somebody said “eh, the insurance will cover that�
Can’t we make a distinction between (a) looters and (b) people who commit acts of homocide, and not just assume they are the same?
If the Son of Sam crossed a busy street in order to shoot some innocent person, would you call him a “jaywalker” . . . and urge the police to crack down on jaywalkers?
And semantics aside, what makes you assume that all, or even most, of the Louisiana looters are armed? Obviously some are, but if history is any indication (the Rodney King riots, various blackouts, etc.), most of them probably aren’t.
I know there are some looters that aren’t taking essential items. The ones carrying tv’s or stealing jewelry are stupid and their acts are deplorable.
But if they’re non-violent and they are not carrying weapons then advocating that they be shot on site is nothing but pure barbarism. This stance is sickening.
It’s a good thing God doesn’t desire to kill us all on sight as soon as we sin because we all would be in trouble! God sees all sin as the same (“For the wages of sin is death… romans 6:23) So what do you feel your punishment should be for the sins you committed? Thank God for Jesus! Let’s leave these people the chance to accept Him and pray that they do and leave the judging to Him.
La Shawn is (now?) saying that “Anybody brandishing a gun who’s not wearing a uniform should be shot on sight.” Maybe she was saying that before, but that was my initial take. In any event, the position she takes in her update is much more reasonable, IMHO.
I do wonder, however, what makes her think that “the ‘poor and hungry’ are shooting at rescue workers.” Certainly nothing in the link supports that. I can’t think of any reason why the “poor and hungry” might do that, since it’s not in their best interest.
Clearly, there’s a criminal element running rampant in New Orleans, but haven’t the vast majority of the “poor and hungry” been victimized enough at this point?
Hurricane Katrina
Once again as a black man, I’m embarassed and ashamed of my peers because of how we act with the rest of the country watching. Stealing food to feed your family is one thing but what in the world does one need with a brand new TV if there’s no electr…
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LOL, another black apologist. This is a national disaster we have on our hands and all you care about is how the acts of a very few select black people on camera look to the country. I’m sure 99.9% of the black population in the city are honest, hard working people. You don’t need to think the acts of a few reflect on your race. Whoever’s racist will be racist regardless of what they see on camera.
You know there are 8.8 billion dollars missing in Iraq.
Halliburton has stolen tens of millions of dollars from our country while they feed our troops expired meat with shrapnel in it.
I don’t see anyone here advocating that Halliburton executives or Paul Brehmer be shot on site, but see someone carry a few beers and he’s
got a bullseye on his back. You pro-violence Christians all need to check yourself.
My own perspective:
In a situation such as this, the military should immediately take over. Looters should be shot on sight, regardless of their targeted booty. Stores that have food, drinks, and other necessities (first aid, etc.) should be seized and their contents distributed by the emergency management personnel. After the crisis is over, repayments can be made to the store owners whose property was seized such that the blow isn’t overwhelming to them or to their insurance companies.
4. BURNIN’ AND LOOTIN’ [Bob Marley]
This morning I woke up in a curfew;
O God, I was a prisoner, too – yeah!
Could not recognize the faces standing over me;
They were all dressed in uniforms of brutality. Eh!
How many rivers do we have to cross,
Before we can talk to the boss? Eh!
All that we got, it seems we have lost;
We must have really paid the cost.
(That’s why we gonna be)
Burnin’ and a-lootin’ tonight;
(Say we gonna burn and loot)
Burnin’ and a-lootin’ tonight;
(One more thing)
Burnin’ all pollution tonight;
(Oh, yeah, yeah)
Burnin’ all illusion tonight.
Oh, stop them!
Give me the food and let me grow;
Let the Roots Man take a blow.
All them drugs gonna make you slow now;
It’s not the music of the ghetto. Eh!
NyBlues, I’m with you.
This is the worst disaster I’ve observed in my life. We’ve never seen an entire big city immobilized for any reason. The lessons, I’m afraid, will be lost in this “law and order” crusade.
“You pro-violence Christians all need to check yourself.- NY Blue”
Well Said…
As to Eddie Butler, I wonder if he thinks white people care about what black people think about them when they do the incessant stupid crap they do? I can’t stand black inferiority complexes.
Kman,
Where did I ever say most or all looters about anything? Armed or not, justified or not, should be shot or not?
You need to read what people say, not what you want to argue about.
The men that looted the hospital were… looters! That happened to be armed! The carjackers are looters too! And…. armed.
Heres the problem of not opposing looters: the worst elements become emboldened. When nobody tries to control or prevent the looting of TVs, it move up to other things. Like a hospitals pharmacy. Like emergency and relief vehicles and supplies. Like another citizen’s generator or food supply. And when this isn’t opposed, it moves on to other things, like rape, murder etc.
What line needs to be crossed before you want order enforced?
As for the arguement that taking police and soldiers for law enforcement is taking lives (since search and rescue is being impeded), that is only somewhat true. I don’t blame the police or soldiers or their commanders, I blame the criminals that make it a requirement. As long as these thugs are running around, the other survivors are at risk. The ones taking shots at emergency vehicles and helicopters are puting the trapped, dying and the brave (drivers, pilots, medics) at risk. And the sooner they are under control, the sooner the important work of rescue and recovery can move forward effectively.
Nyblues, do you have a point, or does all evil in this world get linked, in your mind, to haliburton and bush? Have you anything contsructive to add or do, or is venting your spleen about the administration and iraq all you have?
Maybe they should be shot. At least then we’d all know that our donation checks aren’t being used to help these scum.
The looters from the Los Angeles Rodney King riots were never prosecuted: Maxine Waters wouldn’t allow it. Grrr
No punishment, and they get access to all the charity money too.
Worse than the Jihads.
Who said anything about “white people”? I’m talking about ALL of America and not just “white America”.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: We (black Americans, that is) will always be treated like second class citizens in this country if we continue to act like second class citizens. We need to show even ourselves that we can behave in a civil manner. We (black Americans) have a collective self-esteem problem, you know. Ah nevermind.
Because I’m a black man, I care about how others of my race portray themselves because it affects how ALL black people are treated. To me, it’s not a whole lot different than my kids or even somebody in my family acting a fool and embarassing me in public.
“I’m sure 99.9% of the black population in the city are honest, hard working people. You don’t need to think the acts of a few reflect on your race.”
nyblues, point taken. I just wish every American thought the same way. I’m just tired of being treated and stereotyped based on the actions of a few bad apples.
You were doing OK until you insulted the “blog hostess.”- Admin
ROFL
My first laugh of the day
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