Shake-up in the National Black Republican Association

I got that email as well. I tried to email him back but have gotten no response.

I agree with them, if they are simply going to be standard Republican mouth pieces playing political games they needed to blow themselves up.

You can be Republican and still not support everything your president or your party does. In fact, they have to believe that otherwise they would need to start a group to increase AA voters for the Republican Party.

At least they were better than the creeps at Project 21

09 13 05

Well Dell and nyblues:
You have a point. As a centrist, I am on the fence when I vote. I guess you cld say I am an issues voter. But I must say that it’s painful that there is this schism. I was always told that we need both people in both camps to push for our rights. But ideologically the neo con agenda seems bent on 1.historical revisionism and hence; 2. racism denial 3. Extreme nepotism with rich buddies 4. Lack of regard for the poor and the environment 5. Lack of Compassion for those with less..
My husband and I have been blessed. We bought our house in January. And the houses in our neighborhood have gone up twenty percent across the board since then! But if we would have waited so much as another month, we would not have been able to purchase a home. CA is the state where you can make 100K a year and still be struggling. The Neo Cons have done their jobs well…

Completely off-topic. – Admin

Those in the NRBA that have walked away are the individuals that have discovered that there is a moment in time that you cannot congratulate people with the dead bodies floating around in new Orleans. There is a moment in time in which the philosophy of your party is not in line with the reality on the ground.
That moment in time in which you realize thatthe christian ethics that this government professes is compromised.
I congratulate them for walking away from an illusion

Mahndisa, I’m with you. Normally, I would say we need a voice in both major parties. As much as I disagree with her, I have alot of respect for Condi and all of her accomplishments. I, personally can’t support a party that undermines my right to vote if I happen to live in a swing state. This is the most solemn right we have as American citizens in representative democracy.

A major issue I have with the Republican Party is the disenfranchising by the thousands of qualified black voters in Florida as well as Ohio and other states. I don’t want anyone to feed me any crap about Ken Blackwell being black, so it didn’t happen in 2004. Testimony and written accounts from people in different counties in Ohio prove it did.

The integrity of our elections must be addressed and protected by both major parties. We have partisans in charge of counting our votes pledging to deliver states to presidential candidates. We’ve also got Secretaries of State, pulling dual roles as chairpersons for election campaigns of presidential candidates. It’s amazing to me that no one sees a huge conflict of interest.

I currently have no faith in our electoral process.

I would not vote for a party that has a secret society of “neo-cons” who are stealing oil for their families and business friends and fools the free press and the voters.

The thievery and war profiteering in Iraq by Halliburton, Bechtel and other contracters are well documented. There is no oversight right now

The National Black Republican Association should be responsive to “real issues relevent (sic) to black folks.” I am curious to know how real issues relevant to black folks differ from real issues relevant to just plain folks.

For the most part, they are the same. However, I’m sure you will admit that the abolition of slavery did not automatically put blacks on an equal footing in this country with their white counterparts. We’ve made progress, but even conservatives like Colin Powell acknowledge that institutionalized racism still exists. For that reason, civil rights still need to be openly discussed and debated.

I agree with others that no group should blindly follow any one leader. To congratulate the President in the immediate aftermath was not a smart idea. I think if they wanted to criticize the singling out of the President on the Katrina response as wrong, I think that would be fine. I am glad that the President unlike the state and local officials in Louisiana is taking responsibility for the slowness of the federal response. Like Heliotrope, I hope the hurricane victims, especially the ones in Louisiana, take advantage of the new opportunities presented to them and use them to escape from poverty.

09 13 05

I have always felt that if you look for racism, you will probably find it. But if you “hang a sign” on your truck and do what say do efficiently, honestly and with a good attitude, even Archie Bunker will give you a good reference.
Comment by Heliotrope — 09.13.05 @ 5:59 pm

Heliotrope: you are somewhat misguided with that statement. What the heck do you mean:”If you look for racism you will probably find it?” OK, so all those folks who got lynched back in the day were looking for it? What about in 1989 when my parents moved us to Modesto, CA? Was I looking to get called the N— word by my classmates? Once again blaming the victims of racial injustice causes us to have some screwy contradictions. I guess you don’t live in the USA. Because if you did, you would see that outside of certain places, Blacks are still not welcome. When we went camping last year in The Shasta Natl Forest at Gumboot lake (http://www.mtshastachamber.com/recfish.html) there was a guy making noise and partying the whole night. When we saw his RV the next morning, he had a Confederate Flag on it, and some racial epithets on his bumber sticker. Yeah I suppose that by being out in the middle of nowhere trying to enjoy God’s creations made me look for the racism eh? Get real and come back to earth, racism is alive and well. And importantly the politicization of race is alive and well.

Sirc – Most Neo-Cons deny racism is a problem in this country, and your bait and switch tactics are silly. -Dell Gines

And in the paragraph right before that one you say “Partisanship sucks.” I have to admit, that makes it challenging to want to reply, Ms/Mrs Gines. I don’t like to repeat myself, and much less what other people say. What is silly is you telling me not to be partisan as you launch into a partisan falshood.

I didn’t bait and switch anything, I asked you a serious question in response to the charge of “racism denial”. More than one, actually. And you couldn’t support the charge.

Unless you think your question about which group was more racist is an answer to that very same question – which I asked first, somehow demonstrating that “most neo-cons deny racism in this country”.

Regarding the “race issue” of today, it is more preferable to make progress from the given starting point with focus rather than to deviate and get stuck in the world of negativity. I agree with George Reisman’s view that “The way things should have developed was that the freedoms and liberty enjoyed by white males should have been fully extended to blacks and to women”.

The reason that an investment disclosure can say “past performance doesn’t equal results” is because nature and human action is aleatory. You can’t guarantee what people might do in the future or what may influence them. The American model for governance brilliantly took this into account.

The problem is that the left deviated from America’s free-enterprise system and Judeo-Christian values and pushed the country into a socialistic one. It coupled racism with American values instead of with a failure to live up to those values. Alot of this was due to Soviet propaganda and agit-prop. Although racist violence was rightly protested and opposed, Communist violence against its own citizens dwarfed American violence against its own citizens. Yet the left hails its American supporters. In fact, the left was moving the United States in the direction of the Soviet model.

You cannot say that there weren’t specific criticisms against specific policies that could have helped us avoid some disasterous effects, although you can say that the left muffled or ignored them. Combine moral relativism with economic ignorance and its a recipe for disaster. It is and was difficult to argue with people that play fast and loose with the truth.

Earlier today I used the Great Society as an example of BAD policy. It is completely reasonable to seek a “supply and demand human and economic capital analysis of why”, to paraphrase. Here I can see that you really are tired of partisanship. I don’t think that it is vague to point out that by encouraging broken homes (and what do you think happens when the government starts to provide housing and funding to single teenage girls?) you would have more of them. Yes, I know that the political representatives of the left were not saying “don’t get married, have babies in High School, all the hip girls who are tired of their parents are doing it!” but actions speak louder than words. We essentially started handing out money to girls for having kids early. The government played the daddy role. This transforms, perverts, government. It puts government in the position to treat its citizens like irresponsible children who are unable to govern themselves. In the end that pits those who are able against the government in alliance with those who are not. In the end this has to lead to the end of a free democratic republic. To get to that point takes lots of bad turns and lots of well-intentioned mistaken people.

As the left argued “don’t impose your morality on me” by being judgemental, the right argued “don’t impose your immorality on me” by funding peoples’ “alternative lifestyles” and personal decisions. And if people wonder why there is a disproportionate number of black males in prison relative to any other group in the population, you will see the link being the broken family and the “Welfare Queens”. Maybe it was a matter of proximity and location, but for whatever reason (a cultural anthropologist may have a good explanation) Black America decided to try the “Great Society” and the Democrat Party’s experiments in socialism.

Children in two-parent families of any race and background do much better materially and overall than other children. Crime, health, education, you name it. Today, as the article that I linked to earlier pointed out, almost 70% of black children are born to single mothers. Yes, the left’s antinomian/statist social agenda was a bad influence:

“Conditions for testing that proposition looked good. Between the 1954 Brown decision and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, legal racism had been dismantled. And the economy was humming along; in the first five years of the sixties, the economy generated 7 million jobs.

“About half of all blacks had moved into the middle class by the mid-sixties, but now progress seemed to be stalling. The rise in black income relative to that of whites, steady throughout the fifties, was sputtering to a halt. More blacks were out of work in 1964 than in 1954.

“Most alarming, after rioting in Harlem and Paterson, New Jersey, in 1964, the problems of the northern ghettos suddenly seemed more intractable than those of the George Wallace South.

“Instead of rates of black male unemployment and welfare enrollment running parallel as they always had, in 1962 they started to diverge in a way that would come to be called “Moynihan’s scissors.”

“Even while more black men—though still “catastrophically” low numbers—were getting jobs, more black women were joining the welfare rolls.

“Convinced that “the Negro revolution . . . , a movement for equality as well as for liberty,” was now at risk, [Daniel Patrick] Moynihan wanted to make several arguments in his report. The first was empirical and would quickly become indisputable: single-parent families were on the rise in the ghetto.

“Though black sociologist E. Franklin Frazier had already introduced the idea in the 1930s, Moynihan’s argument defied conventional social-science wisdom.”

In other words, leftwing academia resisted any evidence that might lend credence to America’s Judeo-Christian values and pose a threat to their “Progressive” misunderstandings and misconceptions about economics and society. The left basically buried Moynihan’s work and labled his analysis racist..

Like I said, combine moral relativism with economic ignorance, and the terrible results speak for themselves. Here’s the link.

This is just my speculation, but I think that post Civil War Jim-Crow types supported the Democratic Party because the concept of “democracy” is basically based on “whatever people want”. And that’s a pretty open-ended suggestion. Sometimes popular things are not good things. The 60s were the left’s heyday, and the Democratic Party was more susceptible to influence by the left than a party more geared toward cautious limited government or the idea that maybe “whatever people want” at any given point in time may not always be a good thing. Now, can there be something better than the GOP? It’s possible, but the DP isn’t it.

nyblues

In a disaster like this it is better to let the free-market do its stuff. After there is a city for people to actually work in I wouldn’t have as much of a problem with people voting their wages up and creating a drag in the economy and productivity. That’s what price controls do. Minimum wage laws are basically price-controls in the labor market. Basically price controls reduce the value of money in the economy. In other words, the result is a form of inflation that does produce tangible TEMPORARY benefits. But in the long run, you get more money with less value as all prices of everything in the economy adjust to their true value in the market.

“Economic Law Cannot Be Repealed By Law” – Eugene von Bohm-Bawerk

I know I know, this stuff is just difficult to swallow. Look, I used to be a union member (to get the job you had to) so I saw and would read what some of the nonsense that my dues would fund in ink. I’m anti-left, not anti-worker. I’m all for work. If you want to work, work.

Believe me I don’t want to oppose everything you say, I want to agree with you and vice versa! Let’s be friends, we already share an interest. This blog.

I guess it’s bit warped to see humor here, but I find it amusing how the left is using this split in a black political organization as an excuse (as if any more excuses are needed) to bash Bush.

I just read that Farrakhan has accused Bush of blowing up the levee to flood black people and keep white people dry. More amusing stuff.

There are plenty of legitimate and specific matters of policy to use when calling the President to account, and he has some serious mistakes to answer for. Maybe a little less hysteria and a little more calm debate might be good.