(1) Why are you so quiet?
(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?
(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?
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Dear La Shawn, it is very sad to see how you are writing about Islam and how you are filing your posts in the ‘Islamofascist’ department. Don’t you think this behavior is fascistic too? Well, I think we should rather go into a dialog with ‘other’ religions. We should not pour oil into the flames and demonize people.
Don’t get me wrong. I condemn killing or harming people in the name of Allah (or Jahwe, or Jesus). But we should not therefore condemn the religion of the wrongdoers. Even in Islam it is a sin to kill a person.
I wish you a peaceful sunday.
Islam needs to clean up before it is given respect. We do not respect the KKK or the Nazis, and we don’t expect others to respect them either. They are our burden, and we keep them down. Islam, cure yourself.
How many Christian counties were free just 300 years ago? To compare Islam to the KKK is inaccurate. I think that Newt Gingrich says it best when he says “the irreconcilable wing of Islam”.
As far as free muslim countries go. All these countries are either free or on the road there.
Iraq
Afghanistan
Abania
Kyrgyzstan
Lebanon
Admittedly all have had a little help from us.
Turkey is slowely comming along.
Many countries are in between.
Don’t get me wrong, Islam or cultural understanding are no excuses to accept brutality in the name of Islam. But, lets not throw away one billion of the earths people as unrespectable.
– Richard Zeien
The fascist state imposes its control over the economic, political, cultural and social life of its people. In the case of “Islamofascism”, you add religion to the list.
LaShawn’s questions #3 and #5 directly address the question of Islamofascism. For our understanding, we can readily identify with the transition to militant Islamofascism that has taken place in Iran since Jimmy Carter relied on “dialog” and benign neglect.
I can not find any logical connection whatsoever between the five questions LaShawn has posited and the idea that her blog is associated in any manner with fascism.
The Jordanian Muslims quickly condemned the bombings in Amman and decried them as acts that they believe are in no way connected to core values of Islam. They have continued to denounce militant Islam. This is the first and loudest answer to question #1 we have heard.
I need to be educated when it comes to religious “dialog.” What are we seeking? A negotiation of core beliefs? A clearer understanding of why we are infidel? A laundry list of cultural changes we could adopt that would make others feel better? Or would we just “dialog” for the sake of “dialog” in the Phil Donahue fashion where we could all feel better for having reached out. Would we go into the “dialog” with a firm belief system or would we just coat ourselves with Jello and slide around the table?
Instead of LaShawn’s five questions, what would the five “dialog” questions be?
Richard Zeien says: “Turkey is slowely comming along.”
Just to keep it right: Turkey is not an Islamic country. Islam is not the state religion. In fact, Turkey was the very first country in that region that has given themselfs (through the founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk) a secular constitution which is valid until today. BTW, Turkey is founding member of the NATO and the UN. It has womans vote since the 20’s. Women are not allowed to bear a veil since then. Men not the fez. And so on …
In this (and your) sense, Turkey is a free country since 1923. That’s a record in the Middle East.
Here is more information on that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
Or maybe you prefer this:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html
Keep informed – before you write.
Even in Islam it is a sin to kill a person.
Jim, you have some reading to do.
5.51 (”don’t take Jews and Christians as friends, they are friends of one another”)
8.12 (”I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them”).
9.5 (Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush”)
9.29 (”Fight those who do not believe in God, … until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection”.)
I would also suggest “The Legacy of Jihad” by Andrew Bostom.
Jim, Turkey is most definately an Islamic country, although covered with a thin veil of secularism.
PARIS, Sept 23 (AFP) – French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin reiterated France’s support for Turkey’s eventual membership of the European Union but warned Ankara might not yet be ready to accept Western values, in an interview published Thursday in the Wall Street Journal Europe.
“We don’t think we should tell Turkey that the doors of Europe are forever closed to it,” Raffarin told the newspaper, but then said: “Do we want the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism?”…
Raffarin said Turkey had made some progress on the road to preparing its entry into the 25-nation bloc, but suggested that the mainly Muslim nation was perhaps not ready to embrace certain Western ideals.
“The issue isn’t the commitments made by Turkey’s government, it’s the attitudes of Turkish society,” the French prime minister explained.
“We’re not doubting the good faith of Mr Erdogan, but to what extent can today’s and tomorrow’s governments make Turkish society embrace Europe’s human rights values.”
For example, a lovely feature of Turkish society is the honor killing.
In a recent poll, some 36% of Turkish men said you should kill your wife for adultry. 21% supported cutting off her ears and nose.
But of course, in the eyes of Islamic apologists, it has NOTHING to do with Islam.
La Shawn, the question I would ask an Islamofascist would be, who gave you some kind of dispensation to murder your co-religionists at a wedding reception?
Jim, turkey is indeed an islamic country. Erdogan is an islamist through and through. He actually came out and treaned the EU if Turkey was not accpeted, he said if the EU rejects Turkey there will be allot of violence. Turkey has gone more ilsmaic all the time. Tansu Ciller PM 1993-1995, the first woman Prime Minister is probably not happy with the direction te country has been taking.
I travelled extensively in Turkey and let me tell you that the call to prayer blared from every city speaker thee was 5 times a day. the closer you get to the east and the borders of Iraq Iran and Syria the more islamic it gets. You can’t critcize the government or the mullahs, you get into allot of trouble that way.
“Turkey is most definately an Islamic country, although covered with a thin veil of secularism.
I agree Tom
Question 3 is a really interesting one, but a bit too small. The meat of it is why has democracy been so successful in Western Europe and countries that it settled, but so unsuccessful elsewhere? Obviously the Cold War had more than a bit to do with it, but it’s been fifteen years.
All of those questions can be answered simply by “Because Mohammed said so” or “Because Mohammed set the example for it in his lifetime”
As for Palestinian Christian terrorists: the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine is a non-Muslim organisation; it best fits the profile of Ba’athism and other such strains of Arab fascism (although claiming to be Leftist). Maybe some anti-Israeli Druze and unobservant Muslims are in it, but it’s mostly Christian.
Arguably it stems from the same pre-Islamic jahiliyya which inspired Islam, and all those Arab raids on the Near East prior to and independent of Islam. And it certainly owes little to the legacy of Christ (although like all Leftisms it borrows from an apocalypticism with its roots in first century Judaism). But the DFLP cannot be blamed on Islam itself.
A reasonable answer to the following:
> (1) Why are you so quiet?
Turn on Al Jazeera if you want to see “quiet” Muslims.
> (2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
Terrorism is a result of political unrest. The roots of terrorism reside with the “Tamil Tigers” of Sri Lanka. The Tamil fight is old and political. Terrorism is a means sought by those with no other political, military, or organized recourse of action. This does not justify terrorism, but it’s true none the less. FACT: Islam strongholds are contained within regions of the world where there is great political unrest and deprived economic conditions. These regions also tend to contain civilizations that are very old (compared to that of the West). The economic conditions are partly demographic, partly geographic, and partly self-induced. Generally, Christians are a very small minority within these parts of the world. For the sake of keeping this short and manageable I’ll end this by saying that simple probability theory indicates the reason why Christians don’t act as modern day terrorists. Also, please don’t forget about Tim McVeigh.
> (3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?
Not sure about this one.
> (4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
An atrocity is within the eye of the beholder.
> (5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?
Extremists. But lets be objective, we’d have the same thing here in this country (the Christian version) if not for a document that explicitly intends to LIMIT the power of the government. A wacko is a wacko. Did you not learn anything about the role of Christianity within historical European governance? The “Muslim region of the world” (Middle East, N. Africa, S.E. Asia) is extremely old. Our Western ways are new and progressive. Our form of Democracy and value system is new (relatively speaking) and it will take a while before it continues to “catch on” throughout the rest of the world.
Besides David Ross’ DFLP, there was the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, led by George Habash, who was raised an Orthodox Christian. And while it’s not the same as actually committing violence, you can’t list the flacks and apologists without including the (lapsed? I hope) Episcopalian Edward Said _ and, according to Melanie Phillips, way too many Anglican clerics.
“Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam”
Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Citizens in the name of Patriotism?
Study your histories to see who started first.
There is far more to this issue than meets the eye that sees the cause of all evils in the here-and-now and according to one’s trained patriotic biases.
There is no such thing as ‘terrorism’, at least not in terms of describing the phenomena without compromising its scientific value in the historical scheme of things. Would you call american baby-killers in the vietnam war ‘terrorists’? What we have here are Transnational Militants. Many of whom, yes, engage in the most abhorrent of behaviour. But a movement is not to be understood by its means or methods nor by its intentions. It is to be known by what it is a reaction to.
Of course, to understand that, you’ll need to know more than just american history. But, like the medieval minds of ole who thought that the sun revolved around the earth, and upon which they based their cosmologies which were used to maintain their view of reality, the juvenile state of the american does exactly that, except in this case, it is the world that is supposed to revolve around america whilst america occupies the uppermost echelons of the ‘modern’ Great Chain of Being.
Questions 1,2 and 4 happened here in the US.
Similar to the way mostly mainstream White supposedly Christian leaders said nothing while the KKK, while claiming to be Christian and acting in the name of God, lynched and terrorized blacks by the thousands over many decades. And this ended less than 40 years ago in this country.
This religion of Islam is totally against any type of freedom, unless you are a man. Even our allies, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, are not democracies, they have no intention on being so.
Christianity is all about freedom, in Christ. We dont force our ways on others. We are to be a light so that others see and want praise Jesus.
This is why I feel there will be no democracy in Iraq or in the middle east as long as Islam is the major religion.
Post #17; Timothy McVeigh was most assuredly not a Christian. This canard is told again and again by Islamofascist apologists; religion played no part in his decision to blow up the Oklahoma City building, whereas religion is the reason for Muslim attacks.
Thanks for clearing that up, Tom. Eric Rudolph’s name will pop up next. – Admin
La Shawn,
You mentioned that only one of the 47 Muslim majority countries is a free country. I hope that you are not talking about Turkey. I knew several expatriates (all female) who have had to leave Turkey because of the growing oppression there, especially of women. “Sheria law is becoming the de facto law of the land,” said one, “although no one will say it.” I suspect that at some point Turkey will simply drop the pretense and proudly declare itself an Islamist state.
Ironic that the only free countries in the Muslim world (Iraq and Afghanistan) are the ones the MSM and the Left are trying to snuff out.
Jay comment # 17…….thanx!!
Regarding question #1: Perhaps the reason they seem so quiet is because the MSM won’t give them a mic — they’d rather chase Cindy Sheehan around all day. If the MSM would follow this story with as much enthusiasm as they do the Sheehan stories, many of the questions you asked would probably already be answered.
La Shawn,
Who are these people? Throwing up “history” or mentioning one aberrant individual’s actions do not answer the questions you have put forth.
1. Jordan, Jordan, Jordan. How much did they really have to say until MUSLIMS from their own country were killed?
2. Christian Palestinian terrorists? H’mmm… Lets go back to the Olympic fiasco in Germany, how many Christians were among those Palestinian terrorists who first managed to get the World’s undivided attention by their cruelty and depravity. How many Palestinian Christians have detonated themselves in crowded markets, buses, and cafe’s over the years? How many Palestinian Christians have shot up buses, crowds in the open, schools, families in their homes, synagogues, churches, etc.? How many have shot helpless handicapped elderly men and dumped their bodies overboard from hijacked ships or blown up hijacked airliners? I could go on, but why?
3. Could it be because democracy and Islam just can’t co-exist? Or, is it that our “infant nation” just can’t go around trying to implant our newfangled ideas like democracy, and all it entails, among those countries and culture going back thousands of years?
4. Hey Christians used to do it seven or eight hundred years ago, so lets not get so hasty. Maybe Muslims will come around to our more “civilized ways” in another seven or eight hundred years give or take. In the meantime “don’t be hatin’”.
5. Because they don’t like “other” religions, and because being virtual dictatorships (some theocratic, some not), they can. Oh and don’t forget, Christians used to do it (see #4 above).
Dear LB,
Even granting that Islam is a “religion of peace” (whatever that means), the fact is that there are a lotta Muslims who would like nothing better than to bring down the Western world. I don’t really care whether Islam in its eternal essence is a religion of peace. I want the bad guys stopped. And yes, there ARE bad guys—moral equivalence may be good for ostriches, but not for responsible people living in a dangerous world.
Adrian
Dear Montie—
Right on. All the tu quoque dodges—Christians used to do it, America is a terroristic state, and on and on—miss the point that, religion of peace or no, there are Al Qaidas out there plotting our destruction. So you don’t sit around and worry about how lousy America is. You stop the bad guys before they blow up more innocent people. I mean, the “resistance fighters” in Iraq—whom are they resisting when they blow up other Iraqi Muslims?
Adrian
That there was so little response from Muslims when those thugs shot little children in the back while shouting “Allah Akbar,” makes me wonder about them. Perhaps they’re afraid for their lives or are being supported by wealthy Muslims who do not want them to speak out.
Wow! What a crop of twisted history this topic has raised.
Islam as got a world of public relations problems built into it so far as blending into the modern “civilized” world is concerned. When the Muslim extremists draw on the most militant interpretations of jihad, subduing the infidel and carrying out the “will of Allah” they certainly call attention to themselves, don’t they?
When the “let’s have a dialog” leftists start hammering the history of Christianity for its crusades, inquisitions, zealous conquistadors, etc. there is certainly a lot of foundation for a discussion on hypocrisy. However, disregarding the occasional Christian wacko, when was the last example of Christians arming themselves and randomly and wantonly murdering civilians in a terroristic manner and all because “God wills it”?
Sorry, but the idea that Christians started all of this and brought upon themselves is a dog that just won’t hunt.
#17
‘An atrocity is within the eye of the beholder.’
If homicide bombing, head chopping, stoning aren’t atrocities ‘within the eye of the beholder’ then the beholder needs an intervention.
I’ll give terror apologists credit where it’s due though – they have the facility to justify anything and a seemingly unending will to do so.
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