>>>”I’ve been to Jordan, talked to people extensively about some terrorists from their country. If you’re ever in the same position, I’d suggest not being so empirical applying the views of a few terrorists to the majority of hard-working family folks there.”

Then you would know that to even MODERATE, PEACEFUL Muslims, sexually humiliating naked Muslim men and photographing them is a blasphemous act. You’re going to sit here and tell me that the Jordanians you spoke to support what Americans did at Abu Ghraib?

That is is YOU want to sound like YOU know what YOU’RE talking about.

–Cobra

I’ve been to Jordan, talked to people extensively about some terrorists from their country. If you’re ever in the same position, I’d suggest not being so empirical applying the views of a few terrorists to the majority of hard-working family folks there.

That is if you want to sound like you know what you’re talking about.

The Jordanian, Syrian, and Saudi terrorists didn’t seem to be a problem when Saddam Hussein was still in charge. Hmmm…

As far as my art is concerned, I’m actually kind of glad right wingers have a problem with it. It lets me know that I’m getting my points across.

–Cobra

>>>”Cobra, normally I suggest to people that they get involved in the system to affect changes from within. In your case however, observing your hatred of everything American – I’d wonder if someplace like France wouldn’t be more to your likings?”

So now you it’s “America, love it or leave it?” Is that all the right has left to say?

You seem to want to justify torture. I’m against torture, no matter which party participates in it. For that, you call me a “hater.”

Who has the more rational position in this discussion?

–Cobra

Cobra, normally I suggest to people that they get involved in the system to affect changes from within. In your case however, observing your hatred of everything American – I’d wonder if someplace like France wouldn’t be more to your likings?

That list of people represents whom? By whose authority are they in Iraq? Are they invited guests? Legal immigrants?

All sorts of heinous things happen in America. Watch Fox News for more than twenty minutes and I’m sure you’ll run across a story about some suburban teenager being snatched, or some blond coed being killed. The fact that bad people do bad things is not a justification for the American government to devolve into similar behavior.
Moreover, if Jessica Lynch and Shoshana Johnson unit had been treated in captivity the way Iraqi detainees were treated at Abu Ghraib, you right wingers would’ve been howling for nuclear strikes.

–Cobra

Some civilians, who should be off limits but are favored targets of the Islamic Terrorists
Kim Sun-il
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Margaret Hassan
Akihiko Saito
Kenneth Bigley
Eugene Armstrong
Radim Sadiq
Jack Hensley

Here’s an Iraqi soldier beheaded on video
Major Hussein Shunnum

>>>”In case you missed it, terrorists are capturing our soldiers and cutting their heads off on video with rusty saws.”

Name ONE American Soldier who had his or her head cut off by “terrorists” on video.

–Cobra

When did Congress declare the Iraq Campaign as a “war?” Give me the date.

Second…

Any treatment you approve of the United States using on foreigners, you must also approve of being used by foreign governments on our own citizens overseas, whether they be military or otherwise.
If you don’t, then you’re a hypocrite at BEST, a dangerously jingoistic fool at worst.

–Cobra

Comment by Cobra — 12.21.05 @ 7:41 pm [/quote]

In case you missed it, terrorists are capturing our soldiers and cutting their heads off on video with rusty saws. So there is no need to “approve” of anything. It would be hard to imagine us doing worse.

This nation has tragically stopped short, and outright helped those who would later become our enemies, far too often.

I mentioned one of the two best U.S. Generals in the 20th century, and now I will mention the other one.

If Patton was allowed to continue, it is possible we would not have has the dark cloud of the Cold War to contend with. And, in the name of fighting the cold war, we did strengthen those who we now are our enemies, only to become the War on Terror.

If I didn’t know better, I would thing that the U.S. government had to keep an enemy going from that time until now just to keep the people frightened and to advance the cause of the Servile State. To wit, witness now how any semblance of advancing the conservative agenda has been totally subsumed by this “War on Terror”.

As I say in the post, it has significant military value if I can “boil the frog into a ‘dependent state’ …” through entitlements.

BTW, I think it was the Clinton administration who started the whole thing of outsourcing terrorist not so much for torture – but because it looked better domestically without having to remove any options from the international table.

That their is NO morality in doing something so heinous for no good reason.

… such ambiguity also wreaks havoc in the mind of one’s enemies who are playing the game with deadlier weapons than words.