We are bloggers with boatloads of opinions, and none of us come close to agreeing with any other one of us all of the time. But we do agree on this: The new leadership in the House of Representatives needs to be thoroughly and transparently free of the taint of the Jack Abramoff scandals, and beyond that, of undue influence of K Street.
We are not naive about lobbying, and we know it can and has in fact advanced crucial issues and has often served to inform rather than simply influence Members.
But we are certain that the public is disgusted with excess and with privilege. We hope the Hastert-Dreier effort leads to sweeping reforms including the end of subsidized travel and other obvious influence operations. Just as importantly, we call for major changes to increase openness, transparency and accountability in Congressional operations and in the appropriations process.
As for the Republican leadership elections, we hope to see more candidates who will support these goals, and we therefore welcome the entry of Congressman John Shadegg to the race for Majority Leader. We hope every Congressman who is committed to ethical and transparent conduct supports a reform agenda and a reform candidate. And we hope all would-be members of the leadership make themselves available to new media to answer questions now and on a regular basis in the future.
Signed,
N.Z. Bear, The Truth Laid Bear
Hugh Hewitt, HughHewitt.com
Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit.com
Kevin Aylward, Wizbang!
La Shawn Barber, La Shawn Barber’s Corner
Lorie Byrd, Polipundit
Jeff Goldstein, Protein Wisdom
Stephen Green, Vodkapundit
John Hawkins, Right Wing News
John Hinderaker, Power Line
Jon Henke / McQ / Dale Franks, QandO
James Joyner, Outside The Beltway
Mike Krempasky, Redstate.org
Michelle Malkin, MichelleMalkin.com
Ed Morrissey, Captain’s Quarters
Scott Ott, Scrappleface
John Donovan / Bill Tuttle, Castle Argghhh!!!
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I don’t know how center right I am but I signed up too
From what little I’ve read about Shadegg, he sounds pretty decent. He’s fighitng against environmentalists who want to drain Lake Powell in Arizona and he’s supporter of hydroelectricity (Hoover Dam, I’m guessing). On his website, it says he’s for more choice in HMOs. He’s been in DC for 11 years now.
I’m still thoroughly annoyed that more Republicans (notably, that isn’t you, La Shawn) aren’t standing up for Tom DeLay. From what I’ve read, Abramoff siphoned off money from organizations to put in his own pockets, but what does that have more to do w/DeLay than anyone else who accepted money from Abramoff and is now returning it? It makes me angry that the media is willing to take down a Republican leader through guilt by association and that others are quick to follow.
Of course, I’m for reform in Congress where lobbying is concerned, and do you know what I would like even more? I would like for them to take an issue and the two sides debate that issue and come to some sort of compromise. I can’t stand the way that they “compromise” with each other by doing favors for one another. Like, I’ll vote for your issue A even though it’s morally repugnant to me if you’ll vote for issue B even though its morally repugnant to you. Why not debate both issues into something that everyone can live with? That’s also why the Democrat filibusters stink. Where’s the debate in that?
At this point, I’m not going to join up because I’m still mad as all get out about this witchhunt on DeLay (who will be re-elected). When and if I get over myself, I’ll consider it again. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I’m not a blogger, just a reader of blogs, and I wish to join up.
Wasn’t DeLay though mainly useful because he was a bit of a bully and kept everybody in line? I haven’t really found that much useful information on this guy, which is probably more my fault than ever. But that was my impression, just sort of an gut feeling. Please correct or at least point me to something in his defence.
RepJ: I agree with you about DeLay…..but…..
“Power abhors a vacuum.” DeLay has been sucker-punched out of the leadership while he battles ghosts thrown at him by the Dems.
His absence leaves a power vacuum which gives the Dems a double victory. Delay is smeared and distracted and the Republicans are being monitored by a substitute leader. Since the job of Majority Leader is a lot like herding cats, it is best that we get a bone fide leader in there.
When Ronnie Earle nailed DeLay with the indictment, that effectively knocked him out of the game until……. This is a critical year with elections in the Fall and nearing the end of Bush’s ability to affect change in his second term.
We can not afford to stand by DeLay. That’s politics.
Heliotrope, I understand where you’re coming from. Thanks, and I do think that Shadegg is a good man for the job.
You guys actually believe republicans are going to reform themselves? They’ve been in Abrahmoff’s pockets for years. The only reason they’re talking “reform” now is because they got caught, plain and simple.
Now this is supposed to be the biggest scandal that Washington has seen in 50 years. I thought Monica was. This is comical.
nyblues: You are S-o-o-o-o-o-o-o right! I have now switched parties and I will pray to Saint Teddy of Kennedy tonight for moral guidance and ethical truth. He has a direct line to the Angel of annulment after a full quota of kids and decades of marriage.
If he fails me, I will turn to John Kerry the Humble. If he fails me, I will seek Biden the Bloviator. Or maybe Sharpton the Grifter. Then there is Pelosi the Priestess of Perfidy.
Abramhof’s loose cannon my be loaded with grapeshot. Do you think that there are any dems who may take a direct hit? Naw! Not a chance.
Your clear and compelling logic has won me over. Come Monday, I’m going to see if I can get some of guys outside the 7-11 looking for pick-up jobs to join us.
I signed – It’s time to clean house.
Too much of our money goes to D.C., hence, there will be no shortage of those willing to follow it there. Decreasing the growth and increasing the accountability of government rather than tweaking or adding code is a better solution. Chris DeMuth had a terrific article in AE last month regarding the almost imperceptible creep of government entanglement, including the unchecked (and unconstitutional) taxing authority of certain government agencies. That is the real problem.
What Craig said. Money is power, and Washington is getting to much automatically from paychecks.
Redistribution of money from Washingtion is inefficient and corrupt prone. No amount of rules, laws, or good intentions will prevent it it for long.
Unfortunately for De Lay, there IS guilt by association and carelessness at “covering your tracks”.
There are a lot of honest lobbyists out there, and most of them do NOT take politicians on private planes for vacations.
They know these trips are legal, but they also know that taking high-profile figures like De Lay LOOK BAD TO THE PUBLIC. And public image is an important part of politics.
Unfortunately, De Lay took a few expensive trips, and he is a large target – and he got hit. He is wounded.
But wait!!! The best is yet to come.
There are a lot of DEMOCRATS that also took gifts from Abramoff.
This is more of “be careful what you ask for – you might get it”.
The Dem’s have “got it”. After their pious attacks on Abramoff (aided by the Leftist MSM) – YES – a number of prominent Democrats have accepted substantial gifts from Abramoff as well.
What competent lobbyist would only want to convince only Republicans of a cause? It’s just common sense that he would twist the arms of anyone available.
Craig and Jim are correct. Until we, the voters, start demanding that our elected officials uphold the Constitution, including Article X of the Bill of Rights, nothing will be solved.
Washington, D.C. was never intended to have the power it has assumed over the years. A quick read of the Constitution will prove that it is a limiting document, granting only specified powers to a central government. Any powers not so specified are the business of the states and the people.
Power corrupts. It feeds upon itself. The chain must be broken by electing good people, citizens not politicians, to Congress. We must demand accountability from them, and then, no matter how good they are, turn them out of office before they can make a career out of feeding at the public trough.
The Founders never wanted serving in Congress to be a career for self-serving blowhards. The intent was for citizens to take their turns as representatives of the people, and to do so as a duty.
The same applies to the Chief Executive. The best president would have Thomas Jefferson’s attitude, that it’s just a job, a patriotic duty. Jefferson didn’t even think it worthy to mention his time as President on his own gravestone, clearly indicating that he had a firm grasp on priorities.
Right or wrong, my opinion of ALL politicians has become over my lifetime a “very” cynical one – they are ALL double-tongue liers and crooks (guilty by title until proven otherwise). Stereotyping ? Absolutely and intentionally. Is that fair? I don’t care. Are there any good ones ? I suppose if you look long and hard enough.
Restoring the intention of our Constitution is now nothing more than a pipe dream. Out here in Arizona when you see a rattlesnake along side the road you consider it to be what it is, otherwise…………….!!!
(LaShawn for President)
Dave! Where have you been? Welcome back!
– Admin
LaShawn,
You are and have been always my DAILY read.
I only comment however, as my soul stirs me.
#26: Dave in AZ
You and I must have gone to different schools together, as I agree with your view of professional politicians completely.
DC is an expensive place to live and beginning Representatives and Senators who have no bankroll find it very hard to maintain a place in the District and a home “back home.”
However, soon enough, they start to get paid to make speeches and their income rises. They make their money the same way Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton make theirs. And the whoring for campaign dollars would make your head spin.
Furthermore, they acquire staff from office allotments to committee and subcommittee assignments that would make the average Sultan blush. Many of these positions are filled by trading favors of one sort or another.
In short, DC is a swamp full of the muck and mire of temptation, ambition and perfidy. Summer camp it is not.
nyblues: You are S-o-o-o-o-o-o-o right! I have now switched parties and I will pray to Saint Teddy of Kennedy tonight for moral guidance and ethical truth. He has a direct line to the Angel of annulment after a full quota of kids and decades of marriage.
If he fails me, I will turn to John Kerry the Humble. If he fails me, I will seek Biden the Bloviator. Or maybe Sharpton the Grifter. Then there is Pelosi the Priestess of Perfidy.
Abramhof’s loose cannon my be loaded with grapeshot. Do you think that there are any dems who may take a direct hit? Naw! Not a chance.
Your clear and compelling logic has won me over. Come Monday, I’m going to see if I can get some of guys outside the 7-11 looking for pick-up jobs to join us.
You know, I can go on and on about taking the country into a war based on false premises and then not armoring our troops once they’re there.
I could also mention the traitorous outing of a CIA agent for political payback and the absolutely dismal response to a federal crisis on W’s watch that New Orleans still hasn’t recovered from, but that would be too easy.
Poor guy, I bet you really thought this was reply of yours was witty too. Keep trying, you’ll get there one day. LOL
Anywho, back to Abramoff and this corruption of the GOP leadership. This stance by Hastert and so called “reformists” is really all for show.
This practice of pay to play politics didn’t just pop up overnight, it’s been there for years. I’m sure the Democrats were guilty of it when they were in charge. They lost the House after holding it for 40 or so years partially because of charges of corruption, yet in just over a decade the House under GOP rule, we have charges of bribery that really makes everything in the past look like child’s play. I’ll say one thing for republicans, you guys are over achievers when it comes to corruption.
Abramoff’s a republican. He only donated directly to republicans. Bob Ney and Conrad Burns are targets of the Justice Dept’s ongoing investigation with Abramoff. That’s a fact.
If there are Dems involved with this, I hope they get found out and convicted too. Throw all the bums out.
Don’t delude yourselves into thinking the party in power will police themselves. They’re only talking about it now, because they were emabarassed into doing so. Plain and simple.
“Abramoff’s a republican. He only donated directly to republicans.”
For your edification:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/01/40-0f-45-democratic-senators-took.html
http://www.gopsenators.com/hottopics/glasshouses.aspx
- Admin
Hey Admin,
So is this why there’s such a lag time with my posts?
I’m pretty sure I said Abramoff only directly made donations to republicans. Nothing on the sites you linked to says anything different.
Getting a donation from a client that Abramoff happened to be lobbying for is not the same as receiving money directly from him or his wife. Surely you can recognize the difference.
LOL at that guy using Newsmax for a source. They’ll say funds are “Abramoff linked” which quite honestly doesn’t tell the story at all about the funds being illegal or not. Is this what they call journalism?
The Capital Eye site is great and proves my point. I’ve checked every Democrat on the list and not one of them received money directly from Abramoff, his wife or Scanlan.
I can’t say the same for Hastert, John Doolittle or Bob Ney and quite a few other republicans.
Nice try, “nyblues.”
Re: the lag time, depending on my mood or which way the wind blows, I moderate certain comments. It helps deter troll-like activity. – Admin
Admin,
Fair enough. I find this practice different from other blogs I post on, but if that’s your policy here then it is what it is.
As for the Abramoff scandal, we’ll have to see how it plays out. It is very likely some Democrats may be involved as well and if they are, kick them out too. However, I don’t doubt many more republicans will be implicated in this. They are in the majority and decide what legislation gets to the floor. You have to be in power before you can abuse it.
We need voting machines that aren’t owned by private corporations and real campaign finance reform. The McCain Feingold bill hasn’t helped in the slightest.
And still other blogs allow no dissent at all (or so I’ve heard), unlike this one. – Admin
Admin,
Agreed about other blogs allowing no dissent at all. I gravitate towards blogs that do. Thanks for rising above those that don’t allow dissenting views or comments at all for that matter.
nyblues: Normally, I eschew goading by the politically biased, but in your effort to rise to the level of serious, I will make an exception.
You write: “You know, I can go on and on about taking the country into a war based on false premises and then not armoring our troops once they’re there.”
1.) Please delineate the false premise or premises. 2.) Your statement about the inadequate armoring our troops is a tacit charge that this was by plan or ignorance. Any evidence? What, by your measure, is sufficient armoring?
You write: “I could also mention the traitorous outing of a CIA agent for political payback….”
Am I correct in assuming that you refer to Valerie Plame? If her outing was at the hands of the Bush administration and if it was traitorous, why did Fitzgerald neglect to indict anyone for the act you ascribe?
You write: “….and the absolutely dismal response to a federal crisis on W’s watch that New Orleans still hasn’t recovered from….”
Huh? Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana have vast areas that are in a shambles. Why is it only about New Orleans? How long does an informed person such as yourself think it should take to clear and rebuild an infrastructure that has been so destroyed. (At least in Hawaii they don’t require the lava flows to be removed.)
You write: “Poor guy, I bet you really thought this was reply of yours was witty too. Keep trying, you’ll get there one day. LOL”
I intended my reply to be equivalent to the integrity of your charges.
I will accept that you are blinded by a hatred of Bush. But your KOS talking points expose you as being uninitiated in fundamentals of logic.
Can somebody please give me something positive or informative on DeLay? Nobody much writes anything positive on him, however to find negative is not hard at all. I’m interested, that’s all.
Calvin, you’re right. It really is hard to find anything positive written about the man. The general agenda of the dinosaur media is to use DeLay as a stalking horse, bringing him down in order to “get” to George Bush.
This is not a defense of Tom DeLay. He may very well be guilty of the charges leveled against him. If so, he should pay the full price. A crook is a crook. And he was right to stand down from his leadership position, given the storm surrounding him. My point is only that there is a concerted effort on the part of the old media to skew the news because DeLay has been, in their liberal opinions, on the wrong side politically. That agenda on the part of the media is shameful.
None of this affects my support for the blogger effort to reform Congress. We simply must do so, letting the chips fall where they may. Democrat or Republican, the crooks must go. To spearhead this, we need a fresh face, and perhaps Shadegg is the guy with enough ethical backbone to do the job. I hope so.
I watched Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday this morning and I was impressed with Shadegg. I have not paid attention to him before this blog action began. If I am correct, the Fox News Sunday show also airs on the Fox News Channel later this afternoon. Wallace did a good job of interviewing all three candidates for the post.
I might add to RedBeard’s remarks that Delay was extremely effective at rounding up votes and holding the party front against the minority. That is why they went after him hammer and tong. The position is a rough and tumble one and “nice guys” need not apply.
Hi LaShawn, I agree entirely with the letter but don’t understand why it’d be from “center right.” I’d agree conservative Republicans were part of the problem but I don’t believe conservatism was itself the problem. I don’t imagine you do, either, and I’m curious as to your thoughts.
Bill Lalor
http://www.citizen-journal.net
nyblues: Normally, I eschew goading by the politically biased, but in your effort to rise to the level of serious, I will make an exception.
You write: “You know, I can go on and on about taking the country into a war based on false premises and then not armoring our troops once they’re there.â€
1.) Please delineate the false premise or premises.
You’re kidding me right? The entire claim that Iraq had WMD proved to be wholly untrue.
Saddam Hussein had a nuclear arsenal ready to attack us: “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/08/le.00.html
In Bush’s letter to the Speaker and President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, Bush linked Iraq to 9/11 as part of his justification.
acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
We know Iraq had nothing to do with the people who attacked my city and the Pentagon.
Bush said he would get a second vote from the UN council before he attacked? He did not do that.
He also said he would only attack if Hussein didn’t allow the weapons inspectors back in. They were still there up until 2 days before we attacked, but did not get to complete their job because Bush was intent on starting this debacle. He did not keep his word.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/iraq/main544280.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
None of this rhetoric from the administration sounds familiar to you?
2.) Your statement about the inadequate armoring our troops is a tacit charge that this was by plan or ignorance. Any evidence? What, by your measure, is sufficient armoring?
I can definitely say it was not ignorance, given that as early as March 2004, it was known that troops and their families were buying their own armor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26-body-armor_x.htm
And that the Pentagon refuses to reimburse the troops or their families for buying their own armor in this article published as late as Sep 2005. Their refusal would not be due to ignorance.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/29/national/w013219D33.DTL
Sufficient armoring would be the kind that saves our troops’ lives. Just this past week, the Pentagon reported that 80% of combat deaths could have been avoided had our troops been armored properly.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180937,00.html
I’m really surprised you haven’t heard about any of this.
You write: “I could also mention the traitorous outing of a CIA agent for political payback….â€
Am I correct in assuming that you refer to Valerie Plame? If her outing was at the hands of the Bush administration and if it was traitorous, why did Fitzgerald neglect to indict anyone for the act you ascribe?
Yes, you are correct that I’m referring to Valerie Plame. Let’s see the original grand jury was limited to a certain time frame. Scooter Libby lied for 2 years. Matt Cooper and Judy Miller stonewalled for over a year. The grand jury expired. Libby’s lies and stonewalling were equivalent in football terms to running out the clock. Had Scooter Libby and the journalists been more forthcoming, Fitzgerald may have either charged the party/parties directly involved or decided that he can’t prove a crime under the espionage act was committed. He would’ve then filed a report and called it a day when the initial grand jury ended. However, we know Libby and Rove were uncooperative. This is why a new grand jury was commissioned and the investigation was continued.
You write: “….and the absolutely dismal response to a federal crisis on W’s watch that New Orleans still hasn’t recovered from….â€
Huh? Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana have vast areas that are in a shambles. Why is it only about New Orleans? How long does an informed person such as yourself think it should take to clear and rebuild an infrastructure that has been so destroyed. (At least in Hawaii they don’t require the lava flows to be removed.)
Of course it is tragic what happened to the entire gulf area. I mentioned New Orleans specifically because this country’s enemies saw that four years after 9/11, the dept of Homeland Security was ill equipped to respond to an emergency in a highly populated area. My heart goes out to everyone in the gulf area. When I say recovered from, I don’t just mean rebuilding the city’s infrastructure, of course that takes time. Since Katrina, there are over 6,000 people still unaccounted for. 1,000 of the missing are children. Four months after Katrina, still no commitment from the federal government to shore up the levees to withstand a cat 5 storm. Things like this need to be addressed.
You write: “Poor guy, I bet you really thought this was reply of yours was witty too. Keep trying, you’ll get there one day. LOLâ€
I intended my reply to be equivalent to the integrity of your charges.
I will accept that you are blinded by a hatred of Bush. But your KOS talking points expose you as being uninitiated in fundamentals of logic.
You can write me off as being uninitiated in the fundamentals of logic, I just happen to be informed. I’ve been hearing about the dirty dealings of Abramoff, DeLay and the K Street project for well over a year now. DeLay has always been dirty and it’s not just him. Frist is under investigation by the SEC for insider trading. I’d be really surprised to see these guys clean up their own act when they have no incentive to.
nyblues. tsk, tsk. You pretty much recite moonbatic talking points.
Vis a vis WMD & terror, I suppose the “bipartisan” congressional report was wholly managed & produced by Rove? Plame is so out of it and blown out of porportion and on it goes with the rest of your talking points.
I’m only going to focus one “scandal du jour” of which I’m intimately aquainted with. Something that I wear practically every day – body armor. In the words of one wit, about the only thing they’re good for is to prop your sitting body up when napping.
What you cited falls short on facts. In essence, the typical armor being bought by families were suitable for law enforcement, not war and the higher lethality of the weapons used.
Think of that CA bank robbery a few years ago, where the cops, in their armor, were mowed down by two robbers in battle gear. Eventually, even the robbers succumbed to the bullets, body armor not withstanding.
Would you rather have soldiers operate with a false sense of security or better yet knowing that they may be under-armored, proceed with caution?
Simply put, there is NO type of armor, perfect for any and every situation — regardless of what cHillary may say.
That’s not even taking One-Size-Fits-All into consideration. So-called adequate protection for a 240lb trooper built like a linebacker would immobilze the 98lb soaking wet female soldier.
The statement you quoted is incomplete, the Pentagon DID NOT report that 80% of combat deaths could have been avoided had our troops been armored properly. “Properly”? Define properly!!!
The study showed only that OF the soldiers who were hit by weapons fire and subsequently died while WEARING armor, a certain % were hit in areas not covered by the body armor, i.e. the gap between the chest plate & back plate.
Soldiers are also given Shoulder, Arm & Groin protectors, few elect to use them.
Whether you realize it or not, one can be killed by the armor plate itself. If a high-powered round doesn’t penetrate the ceramic plate, it can still kill by the kinetic energy expended against the plate.
Think of it this way — how would you feel if a 1sq ft plate, weighing about 10 lbs slammed you full on in the chest at 100 mph?
How about a 2 lb Groin Plate slamming back at your…?
Ditto for the Shoulder Plate. Would you rather chance a clean shot thru the arm with a 50/50% chance of hitting the bone w/o armor, or a 100% chance of numbing your arm and effectively rendering perhaps your useless arm while waiting for feeling to return in perhaps 15 mins or longer? By that time the battle could be over with you as the casualty.
I could go on about the pros & cons of how much armor is enough, but I think you get the point with a little imagination.
But back to the meat of topic at hand.
There is NO practical body armor that will protect a shot to the face or the gap between the helmet and body armor collar on the sides and rear of the head. If you want total protection, then think Bomb Squad suits and imagine trying to have a running battle with Hajjis while wearing that 100 lb plus suit.
Also, don’t get wrapped up in emotionalism. Armor and accessory makers are in the business of selling their products, with or without DOD’s blessing. In the same way that deficient armor was pitched at families, there are others who still make pitches at the family as an end run around stringent DoD testing & QA/QC.
At least the army was able to take corrective action when it was discovered that the preferred armor would deteriorate over time to the point of falling apart. Who is watching out for the troops when they buy unapproved armor & accessories?
In fact there’s a current campaign underway to sell gunner’s sling at https://www.coopersling.com/adopt_a_gunner.php
Sounds good, don’t it? Just tugs your heart’s string and makes you want to fire off another campaign to “get” Bush & Rummy, don’t it?
Only problem is this — The Cooper Sling Seat was not selected as the Army’s gunner’s restraint solution because it:
a) Impacted the gunner’s operational effectiveness because it decreases his/her mobility – The gunner cannot turn more than ~180 degrees independent of the turret.
b) There is considerable travel in the restraint system, allowing the gunner to build momentum before being “jerked” to a sudden stop.
c) The restraint design interferes with gunner’s ability to drop back into the vehicle during roll-over IAW standard operating procedures.
d) The Cooper seat/restraint did hold the gunner to the top of the vehicle where, in a rollover, the gunner would be crushed between the ground and the top of the vehicle. Use of the Cooper seat/restraint will lead to almost certain serious injury or death in a roll over accident.
e) Testing performed on one version of the Cooper seat/restraint system showed that it did not prevent the gunner from being ejected out of the gunner’s hatch.
In addition, this advertisement implies that the Army is not doing anything to address this issue when, in fact, PM Tactical Vehicles is providing 500 systems (tested and approved by the Army Test and Evaluation Command) per week.
Like any other critical problems, solutions take time to develop. 1) identify the shortcomings, 2) analyse solution vectors, 3) create prototypes, 4) test and re-evaluate, 5) field a controlled set and follow the performance in the real world, (soldiers are capable of doing things never conceived/anticipated in the laboratory — and not necessarily to the good) 6) re-evaluate results, redesign where necessary, 7) finally make it available to all — as fast as they can be produced.
Bottomline, if you’re going to attach yourself to any bandwagon, do your homework first. Catchy soundbites are just that, catching the unaware, while someone dances to the bank.
If after all the above, you still think Bush/Rove/Rummy are to blame for this so-called body armor fiasco, you have truly been assimilated by the partisan moonbats.
If you think the Pentagon bureaucrats are to blame, then why on earth would you want to entrust anything of import to you and yours to ANY government agency and their attendent bureaucrats?
Andy: God bless you for your work in protecting us and for keeping me from venturing into trying to engage a “talking points” moonbat.
I sincerely wish you had more time to stay on line at LBC.
Is there any way I could help make that happen?
Stay safe, stay well and keep your uplifting optimism.
Good luck with your campaign La Shawn! But I would not hold out much hope for either political party. Just consider what has gone on in the last half-century. Democrats get corrupted by 40+ years of power. Voters throw Democrats out. Republicans get corrupted by 10+ years of power. It’s hard to put your faith in princes when they have names like Lincoln Chafee, Chuck Hagel and John McCain.
And what are Democrats and the MSM been doing during their years in the wilderness? They have donned tinfoil caps in order to better hear the voices of CIA spooks on their phone lines, pined for the return of Saddam’s thugocracy, published “inaccurate but true” memos, proclaimed Christophobia to be the One True religion, beatified Cindy Sheehan after consulting the wisdom of the dimpled chads, stormed Gitmo to save the waterlogged Korans, and launched the holy jihad against the racists and homophobes to be found hiding under every bed. Democrats give paranoia a bad name.
When will people learn? Power corrupts. Warning to Republicans: Democrats have proven that being thrown out of power does not necessarily lead to the return of moral sanity.
Vis a vis WMD & terror, I suppose the “bipartisan†congressional report was wholly managed & produced by Rove? Plame is so out of it and blown out of porportion and on it goes with the rest of your talking points.
Which report would that be? I seem to recall Pat Roberts, Chair of the Senate Select committee on intelligence making a promise to the country on Meet the Press to complete a report as to whether or not the intelligence was fixed to make the case for war. He refused to fulfill his commitment, which is what lead to Reid shutting down the Senate.
It’s very interesting that you would say Plame is blown out of proportion, since her main task at the CIA was to work on the proliferation of WMD. I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on, her status as a covert agent is not in dispute and it was not right to out her.
Now let’s get to the body armor issue. I understand that additional armor may decrease mobility and of course, I don’t expect the armor to protect from a shot in the face. That’s not the kind of injury I’m talking about. Your points as to the advantages and disadvantages of certain types of armor are duly noted. I thank you for your service and hope you come back home safely after your next tour.
One question, why would so many of your fellow soldiers and their families even feel the need to buy armor if they had what they needed?
If you think the Pentagon bureaucrats are to blame, then why on earth would you want to entrust anything of import to you and yours to ANY government agency and their attendent bureaucrats?
Questioning the practices of one department in government doesn’t mean I have issues with government agencies as a whole. Some work well, some don’t. I’d hope you could recognize that.
nyblues writes concerning Andy’s post: It’s very interesting that you would say Plame is blown out of proportion, since her main task at the CIA was to work on the proliferation of WMD. I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on, her status as a covert agent is not in dispute and it was not right to out her.
Now just think that through. If Plame’s main task at the CIA was to work on the proliferation of WMD, then she must have payed an important role in misleading Clinton and then Bush about Iraq. But more to the point, by the time nyblues is certain about what Valerie Plame did at the CIA, she was hardly useful or covert. Of course, it is possible nyblues is a CIA insider who is breaking a gazillion laws by posting here.
Valerie Plame’s covert status is very much under dispute. There is absolutely no cover for her under the statute Fitzgerald was empowered to investigate. Fitzgerald himself said so in his fifteen minutes of fame chat with the universe.
I will retire from this with the understanding that the first rule of rhetoric is the willingness to disagree. I disagree and nyblues’ evidence is water thin. By the time the old SEC chestnut gets dragged out concerning the Frist trust, it ipast time to go watch the weather channel.
nyblues writes concerning Andy’s post: It’s very interesting that you would say Plame is blown out of proportion, since her main task at the CIA was to work on the proliferation of WMD. I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on, her status as a covert agent is not in dispute and it was not right to out her.
Now just think that through. If Plame’s main task at the CIA was to work on the proliferation of WMD, then she must have payed an important role in misleading Clinton and then Bush about Iraq. But more to the point, by the time nyblues is certain about what Valerie Plame did at the CIA, she was hardly useful or covert. Of course, it is possible nyblues is a CIA insider who is breaking a gazillion laws by posting here.
Do you realize that there was actual disagreement among our own intelligence agencies as well as with our allies as to the existence of WMD prior to us attacking? Dissenting voices were ignored or smeared if they went public. We relied on unsavory individuals like Chalabi and that drunk “Curveball” and their information turned out to be dead wrong. Remember weapons inspector El Baradai, who we brushed off and he went on to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in reducing WMD.
Nevertheless, the argument is not just whether or not WMD existed. The question is if they were there, why not let the inspectors complete their job since they were on the ground? This is what the original UN resolution called for. We were supposed to attack if Hussein did not comply, but we know now weapons inspectors were on the ground up to 2 days before we invaded.
Valerie Plame’s covert status is very much under dispute. There is absolutely no cover for her under the statute Fitzgerald was empowered to investigate. Fitzgerald himself said so in his fifteen minutes of fame chat with the universe.
Maybe her covert status is under dispute in your mind. However, the CIA considered her status covert which is why they referred her outing to the Justice Department in the first place. Fitzgerald was empowered to prosecute anyone who violated the espionage act in her outing and anyone who obstructed his investigation as to whether or not the act was violated. I already said earlier it’s possible if Libby had been more forthcoming, maybe Fitzgerald would not have pursued this further, but we know Libby perjured himself.
I will retire from this with the understanding that the first rule of rhetoric is the willingness to disagree. I disagree and nyblues’ evidence is water thin. By the time the old SEC chestnut gets dragged out concerning the Frist trust, it ipast time to go watch the weather channel.
Feel free to retire and declare my evidence to be “water thin”. It doesn’t make you right.
Get back to me if you can tell me why the CIA was wrong for considering Plame covert.
As for Frist, Cunningham, DeLay, and anyone actually linked to Abramoff we’ll have to see how that pans out. You can watch the weather channel, I’ll keep my eyes on C SPAN.
nyblues, Plame did not meet the quals for protection. Why did the CIA refer to the JD? To put that point of law to rest.
As for the WMD mess, I’m tired of rehashing it all. Simply put, if Bush lied, so did Clinton and every other nation and Hans Blix. The inspectors had been inspecting for a decade to no avail. More time wasn’t going to prove anything new.
nyblues wrote”One question, why would so many of your fellow soldiers and their families even feel the need to buy armor if they had what they needed?”
I dunno. Perhaps for the same reason that when safe at home, many young turks tend to strut and talk the Rambo-nehead trash. They thot combat was like a video game where they’ll Duke-Nukem anything in their path. Then reality bites and they proceed to wet/soil their pants.
Anyhoo, most of those writing home and crying for more armor are typically rear echelon types. They typically are not the ones actually out on combat patrol. Everytime Jihadii lobs a mortar within a half-mile of their AO, they’re the 1st to dive into the bunker and hog the middle so that the others will create a human bufferzone of flesh and armor — what better to absorb the 1 in a million shot to hit the proverbial swish from a mile away.
Nevermind that the odds of getting shot in Motown or in our nation’s capital on any day is higher than a year in an Iraqi FOB.
I guess the proof in the pudding would be to see how many have actually claimed for a refund for the personal armor. But even then, that wouldn’t be a true picture since I know of some who have taken the DOD up on the offer.
Why?? Not for lack of protection rather flexibility. Much like some guys carry several types of weapons when they can only use one at a time:
Riding in the hatch? Bulk up.
Riding in an armored truck? Lighten up.
Either way, they’re still with regs which call for wearing armor at all times outside the wire.
Bottomline, when God says your time is up, what difference does it make if you got snipered, stung by a scorpion, bitten by an asp, succumbed to heat stroke(from wearing hot/heavy armor),IED’d, simple traffic accident or by a MS13 gang-banger or thug rapper’s stray shot? Are you ready for Judgement Day?
La Shawn: I agree with your appeal for lobby reform and have linked to it from my blogsite. However, I have an obvious question for you and your fellow “center-right bloggers”: What is your definition of the “center-right?” I have posted an open letter to you, Reynolds, Malkin, Hewitt and Bear here. Hope you will take the time to answer. I’m certainly not the only one asking.
Let’ see. Right-leaning moderates + right-wingers = center-righters? – Admin
nyblues, Plame did not meet the quals for protection. Why did the CIA refer to the JD? To put that point of law to rest.
Are you actually saying the CIA went through the trouble of referring Plame’s outting to the Justice Department because she wasn’t a covert agent and they don’t believe this law should be on the books? That seriously doesn’t make any sense.
As for the WMD mess, I’m tired of rehashing it all. Simply put, if Bush lied, so did Clinton and every other nation and Hans Blix. The inspectors had been inspecting for a decade to no avail. More time wasn’t going to prove anything new.
Please come off it. By the time Bush invaded Iraq in 2003, any intel Clinton had on Iraq was five years old. I don’t want my president pointing to five year old intel as a reason for war. Do you?The entire world did NOT believe Iraq had WMD. Additionally, if Blix thought WMD were there, he was definitely one of the guys who wanted to finish the job of inspecting before Bush invaded and they smeared him too, just like they did to everyone else who disagreed with them.
The point is whether WMD were there or not, we could’ve let the inspectors do their job since they were on the ground. I’ll leave it there since you’re getting tired of it.
nyblues wroteâ€One question, why would so many of your fellow soldiers and their families even feel the need to buy armor if they had what they needed?â€
I dunno. Perhaps for the same reason that when safe at home, many young turks tend to strut and talk the Rambo-nehead trash. They thot combat was like a video game where they’ll Duke-Nukem anything in their path. Then reality bites and they proceed to wet/soil their pants.
Anyhoo, most of those writing home and crying for more armor are typically rear echelon types. They typically are not the ones actually out on combat patrol. Everytime Jihadii lobs a mortar within a half-mile of their AO, they’re the 1st to dive into the bunker and hog the middle so that the others will create a human bufferzone of flesh and armor — what better to absorb the 1 in a million shot to hit the proverbial swish from a mile away.
Nevermind that the odds of getting shot in Motown or in our nation’s capital on any day is higher than a year in an Iraqi FOB
So your stance is they didn’t know what they were getting into. I’m not a soldier, but I’m sure a few of these guys in the articles I posted saw combat and were thankful for the armor they had to buy on their own. So what we have is soldiers who see things differently than you do on what they need in a war zone.
I should mention I visit DC frequently and have never had a problem. Sorry, I’m not buying that DC and Detroit are less safer than Iraq of all places.
Bottomline, when God says your time is up, what difference does it make if you got snipered, stung by a scorpion, bitten by an asp, succumbed to heat stroke(from wearing hot/heavy armor),IED’d, simple traffic accident or by a MS13 gang-banger or thug rapper’s stray shot? Are you ready for Judgement Day?
Thug rapper’s stray shot? Wow. As for Judgement Day, that’s between me and God. If you know you’re ready then I’m happy for you.
La Shawn: I asked about the term “center-right” (No. 47 above), and you answered: “Let’s see. Right-leaning moderates + right-wingers = center-righters?” Thanks, La Shawn, for acknowledging my question, but frankly, it isn’t much of an answer. It’s not my aim to parse words unnecessarily, but you used the term; I’m just trying to understand it. “Right-leaning moderate” doesn’t compute. “Moderate” means “not extreme, tending toward the average,” and can be used to describe a conservative who is moderately so, or a liberal who is moderately so. A moderate conservative is on the right, but tilting a bit toward the center. A “right-leaning moderate conservative” is tilting two directions at once — which is exactly the problem here. La Shawn, from my reading of your blog, you are solidly conservative. You describe yourself as an “independent conservative.” So why describe yourself now as “center-right,” the meaning of which remains unclear, and which sounds like an effort to be perceived in the center (a tactic familiar among politicians, but not worthy of a blogger)? (Hope you read this as encouragement rather than criticism).
Terry is right La Shawn. I believe the equation should have been:
(Right-leaning moderates + Right-wingers)/2 = Right-leaning moderates.
Your equation yeilds: humor-challenged serious-posters.
The correct equation should have been:
(right-leaning moderates + right-wingers)/2 = center-righters
As it was, it yeilds: time-challenged careless poster.
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