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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-66024</link>
		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel;
You&#039;d save me some time, and I am really busy, and frankly, I&#039;m not in &quot;your&quot; classroom....I don&#039;t know if you noted that I agree that problem solving is superior to rote. But, one has to have a basis to begin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel;<br />
You&#8217;d save me some time, and I am really busy, and frankly, I&#8217;m not in &#8220;your&#8221; classroom&#8230;.I don&#8217;t know if you noted that I agree that problem solving is superior to rote. But, one has to have a basis to begin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-66021</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good try at attempting to divert attention from the task at hand. Sigh...
Your homework assignment: Read Innumeracy - Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences by John Allen Paulos. Also review the the data on how well students in the USA have performed in math during the last 40 - 50 years (you can google this). Also google and find out how much of math instruction in this country is still &quot;traditional&quot; and how much is &quot;new math&quot; and/or &quot;new math&quot; taught &quot;traditionally.&quot; No, I&#039;m not giving you the answers - what would you learn if I did that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good try at attempting to divert attention from the task at hand. Sigh&#8230;<br />
Your homework assignment: Read Innumeracy &#8211; Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences by John Allen Paulos. Also review the the data on how well students in the USA have performed in math during the last 40 &#8211; 50 years (you can google this). Also google and find out how much of math instruction in this country is still &#8220;traditional&#8221; and how much is &#8220;new math&#8221; and/or &#8220;new math&#8221; taught &#8220;traditionally.&#8221; No, I&#8217;m not giving you the answers &#8211; what would you learn if I did that?</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-66019</link>
		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of truth to the notion that being able to problem solve from many angles should be a goal of education, and is superior to rote memorization. HOWEVER, one has to KNOW something to do it, and this is the part that always gets left in the dust. Texas approved an algebra book, deemed the Texas rain forest algebra book, which was even ridiculed by Robert Byrd and received an F by a group of math scholars. Among other things, it included myths, pictures of Bill Clinton (I won&#039;t go there) and Maya Angelou, and never mentioned algebra until page 100. As one can project, the teacher&#039;s role was to be a facilitator, and right answers were extremely subsidiary to the  students&#039; feelings about trying out approaches to problem solving. This would have been somewhat less lethal if the students knew enough to try some approaches, but Texas students math skills certainly are not up to the test, so to speak. When 90% of all the incoming students into El Paso Comunity colleges have to take remediation in basic reading, writing, and math,(after half of the kids have already dropped out) one can only feel that a little less attention to pedagogy and a little more attention to content would have gone a long way! I just don&#039;t understand why more parents are not more outraged! I really don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of truth to the notion that being able to problem solve from many angles should be a goal of education, and is superior to rote memorization. HOWEVER, one has to KNOW something to do it, and this is the part that always gets left in the dust. Texas approved an algebra book, deemed the Texas rain forest algebra book, which was even ridiculed by Robert Byrd and received an F by a group of math scholars. Among other things, it included myths, pictures of Bill Clinton (I won&#8217;t go there) and Maya Angelou, and never mentioned algebra until page 100. As one can project, the teacher&#8217;s role was to be a facilitator, and right answers were extremely subsidiary to the  students&#8217; feelings about trying out approaches to problem solving. This would have been somewhat less lethal if the students knew enough to try some approaches, but Texas students math skills certainly are not up to the test, so to speak. When 90% of all the incoming students into El Paso Comunity colleges have to take remediation in basic reading, writing, and math,(after half of the kids have already dropped out) one can only feel that a little less attention to pedagogy and a little more attention to content would have gone a long way! I just don&#8217;t understand why more parents are not more outraged! I really don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65941</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ll give you two story problems to choose from except that you have to explain the difference between the two, in addition to the previous questions. 1. There are 3 miners panning for gold (this really does still happen) and they end up with a total of 7/8 of an ounce. How much is each miner&#039;s share?  2. I have 4 pounds of M&amp;M&#039;s.  I want to divide that up into bags containing 2/3 of a pound each. How many bags do I need?
I&#039;ve actually made this easier for you. Refer to item #56 for the questions you have to answer. I am curious. Can you actually understand and apply mathematical concepts in real life and therefore your opinions are coming from an informed point of view - or, are you merely bloviating. Not to put any pressure on you, but this is 6th grade stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll give you two story problems to choose from except that you have to explain the difference between the two, in addition to the previous questions. 1. There are 3 miners panning for gold (this really does still happen) and they end up with a total of 7/8 of an ounce. How much is each miner&#8217;s share?  2. I have 4 pounds of M&amp;M&#8217;s.  I want to divide that up into bags containing 2/3 of a pound each. How many bags do I need?<br />
I&#8217;ve actually made this easier for you. Refer to item #56 for the questions you have to answer. I am curious. Can you actually understand and apply mathematical concepts in real life and therefore your opinions are coming from an informed point of view &#8211; or, are you merely bloviating. Not to put any pressure on you, but this is 6th grade stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65931</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure whether to post this on the &quot;Rcae &amp; intelligence&quot; thread of this one.

Anyway GNXP ( http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/face-of-discrimination.php ) has a link to this
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4477572

A U.S. Justice Department investigation into hiring practices at the Virginia Beach Police Department has concluded that a math exam given to recruits discriminates against blacks and Hispanics.

The math test is one of a handful of separately times and scored components of the National Police Officer Selection Test used to screen and select entry-level officers. The investigation found that between 2002 and 2005, about 85 percent of white applicants passed the math test, while 66 percent of Hispanic applicants and 59 percent of blacks passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure whether to post this on the &#8220;Rcae &amp; intelligence&#8221; thread of this one.</p>
<p>Anyway GNXP ( <a href="http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/face-of-discrimination.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/face-of-discrimination.php</a> ) has a link to this<br />
<a href="http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4477572" rel="nofollow">http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4477572</a></p>
<p>A U.S. Justice Department investigation into hiring practices at the Virginia Beach Police Department has concluded that a math exam given to recruits discriminates against blacks and Hispanics.</p>
<p>The math test is one of a handful of separately times and scored components of the National Police Officer Selection Test used to screen and select entry-level officers. The investigation found that between 2002 and 2005, about 85 percent of white applicants passed the math test, while 66 percent of Hispanic applicants and 59 percent of blacks passed.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65923</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Since â€œminorityâ€ children tend to perform worse on traditional tests, social engineers, education Ph.D.â€™s, and other bureaucrats come up with these experiments â€” trendy, fluffy, and empty new programs â€” to test on your kids in a vain (double meaning intended) effort to raise the scores without actually teaching your precious progeny to achieve academic success...&quot;

Question:  I don&#039;t doubt this but how can students in the TERC math programs better in standardized tests if it isn&#039;t teaching them real math?  Or do we just not really know yet?

I ask because I did some research and found out TERC was implemented in my burg, starting at the high schools and then at poorest neighborhood school with the most &quot;at-risk&quot; students.   How do I find out how they&#039;re doing?  How do you wrest control of these things?  Does getting on school board help?  I&#039;m thinking of taking a run at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Since â€œminorityâ€ children tend to perform worse on traditional tests, social engineers, education Ph.D.â€™s, and other bureaucrats come up with these experiments â€” trendy, fluffy, and empty new programs â€” to test on your kids in a vain (double meaning intended) effort to raise the scores without actually teaching your precious progeny to achieve academic success&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Question:  I don&#8217;t doubt this but how can students in the TERC math programs better in standardized tests if it isn&#8217;t teaching them real math?  Or do we just not really know yet?</p>
<p>I ask because I did some research and found out TERC was implemented in my burg, starting at the high schools and then at poorest neighborhood school with the most &#8220;at-risk&#8221; students.   How do I find out how they&#8217;re doing?  How do you wrest control of these things?  Does getting on school board help?  I&#8217;m thinking of taking a run at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65905</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time for a math assignment: Please solve 3 divided by 7/8. Please solve this in two ways. Explain both solutions and justify your mathematical reason and logic. And no, &quot;Yours is not to understand why, yours is just to invert and multiply&quot; will not suffice as reason and logic. In addition, please write a real life problem (story problem) that will match both of your solutions.
Your explanation and justification must be addressed to an average 6th grader. It must answer these basic questions: What is a reciprocal? Why do we use it in this problem and how? Why do we invert? Who made this rule up? Why do we multiply? When will I ever use this in life. I don&#039;t get it?
Those are just the superficial questions before tackling deeper conceptual issues. Remember, your answer is addressed to 6th graders, not adults. 
I work as math consultant with schools and teachers. I am curious to see the responses. I especially want to see the responses of those that believe that rote memorization of these basic skills is the answer to effective math instruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time for a math assignment: Please solve 3 divided by 7/8. Please solve this in two ways. Explain both solutions and justify your mathematical reason and logic. And no, &#8220;Yours is not to understand why, yours is just to invert and multiply&#8221; will not suffice as reason and logic. In addition, please write a real life problem (story problem) that will match both of your solutions.<br />
Your explanation and justification must be addressed to an average 6th grader. It must answer these basic questions: What is a reciprocal? Why do we use it in this problem and how? Why do we invert? Who made this rule up? Why do we multiply? When will I ever use this in life. I don&#8217;t get it?<br />
Those are just the superficial questions before tackling deeper conceptual issues. Remember, your answer is addressed to 6th graders, not adults.<br />
I work as math consultant with schools and teachers. I am curious to see the responses. I especially want to see the responses of those that believe that rote memorization of these basic skills is the answer to effective math instruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda F</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65896</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, those &quot;inquiry&quot; or &quot;discovery&quot; methods have some validity to them - provided the instructor has a mastery of the core knowledge.  In the hands of someone who incompletely understands the concepts, it&#039;s a real disaster.  That&#039;s one of the major problems with math education in this country.  The methods are conceived in colleges and universities, tested on pilot teachers (who are generally FAR more capable in the subject area than the average), and, finally, implemented in a small group that is thoroughly schooled in the method and given MUCH support.

Then, the schools mandate it for all their teachers.

And then all hell breaks loose, as poorly trained teachers attempt to teach what they really don&#039;t understand.

Particularly in elementary school, you could probably improve math education the most by simply requiring working teachers, not just pre-service teachers, to take college-level courses in math until they hit a base level of competency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, those &#8220;inquiry&#8221; or &#8220;discovery&#8221; methods have some validity to them &#8211; provided the instructor has a mastery of the core knowledge.  In the hands of someone who incompletely understands the concepts, it&#8217;s a real disaster.  That&#8217;s one of the major problems with math education in this country.  The methods are conceived in colleges and universities, tested on pilot teachers (who are generally FAR more capable in the subject area than the average), and, finally, implemented in a small group that is thoroughly schooled in the method and given MUCH support.</p>
<p>Then, the schools mandate it for all their teachers.</p>
<p>And then all hell breaks loose, as poorly trained teachers attempt to teach what they really don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>Particularly in elementary school, you could probably improve math education the most by simply requiring working teachers, not just pre-service teachers, to take college-level courses in math until they hit a base level of competency.</p>
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		<title>By: spunkyhomeschool</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65883</link>
		<dc:creator>spunkyhomeschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post La Shawn.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post La Shawn.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: steve matlock</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65879</link>
		<dc:creator>steve matlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, homeschooling is not the only answer. But when will American parents wake up to the fact that their educational resources are largely squandered. 

Put a motivated student at home with motivated parents, and it doesn&#039;t much matter how well educated the parent is - that student will be educated. 

Put an unmotivated student in a lackluster school supported by lackluster parents - and you&#039;ll have a generation of marching morons. 

Homeschooling seems to work so well, I think, because it links motivated parent to motivatable student - and avoids the middle man. It&#039;s generally cheaper than public schooling. And it&#039;s generally a lot more efficient. 

I know there are other avenues for education besides public schools. I&#039;m amazed that more parents *who claim to love their children* don&#039;t explore these avenues. If I saw that kids who were educated in system A were always higher performers than those educated in system B, *and* my kids were in system B, I&#039;d be motivated to check system A. 

I&#039;ll bet you could accomplish the same in educating kids in about an hour at home with what they accomplish in 6 hours at school in the primary grades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, homeschooling is not the only answer. But when will American parents wake up to the fact that their educational resources are largely squandered. </p>
<p>Put a motivated student at home with motivated parents, and it doesn&#8217;t much matter how well educated the parent is &#8211; that student will be educated. </p>
<p>Put an unmotivated student in a lackluster school supported by lackluster parents &#8211; and you&#8217;ll have a generation of marching morons. </p>
<p>Homeschooling seems to work so well, I think, because it links motivated parent to motivatable student &#8211; and avoids the middle man. It&#8217;s generally cheaper than public schooling. And it&#8217;s generally a lot more efficient. </p>
<p>I know there are other avenues for education besides public schools. I&#8217;m amazed that more parents *who claim to love their children* don&#8217;t explore these avenues. If I saw that kids who were educated in system A were always higher performers than those educated in system B, *and* my kids were in system B, I&#8217;d be motivated to check system A. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet you could accomplish the same in educating kids in about an hour at home with what they accomplish in 6 hours at school in the primary grades.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65877</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly not arguing that homeschooling is a panacea, but I believe parents who care can do a whole lot better than the government school system. Homeschooling, private schools or private tutoring are the answers. Socialist leftists seem to have no interest in teaching and ensuring that kids master the basics, which are necessary to move to the next level. If kids don&#039;t do that, they&#039;ll have problems for the rest of the compulsory education on into higher education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly not arguing that homeschooling is a panacea, but I believe parents who care can do a whole lot better than the government school system. Homeschooling, private schools or private tutoring are the answers. Socialist leftists seem to have no interest in teaching and ensuring that kids master the basics, which are necessary to move to the next level. If kids don&#8217;t do that, they&#8217;ll have problems for the rest of the compulsory education on into higher education.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-2/#comment-65876</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feelings are mixed about this post LaShawn.  First, the new program referenced is probably a load of crap foisted off as progress.  When children are young (thru 3rd or 4th grade) their minds are not typically mature enough to find the answers themselves. They respond well to being spoon fed the answers.  Children also respond well to the unbreakable logic of arithmetic, young children are very absolute in their thinking. 

So, it is not too much to ask a child to memorize multiplication tables or other &#039;drudges&#039; of arithmetic.  Provided, that is, that they regularly get the right kinds and amounts of food, sleep, and discipline. (aye, there&#039;s the rub)

When one moves beyond mere arithmetic and one is talking about algebra or calculus, the situation changes.  Different approaches to learning are needed.  

Allowing the children to find the answers on their own, or at least with lighter guidance, is a good idea.  The problem is that the guide has to be familiar with the territory and the destination. And the guide has to care that you arrive.  
Also, finding your own way means that some people will sprint in a straight line from problem to answer while others will meander in the wilderness before arriving at the answer.  This model does not jibe well with moving a class of 30 (or 20 or 10) kids to the next chapter in the book so that they can finish the requirements by summer break.

Homeschool is not a panacea but it does have the advantages that kids can work at their own pace, that their forward progress is individually and constantly monitored, and that the teacher has a strongly vested interest in the child&#039;s success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feelings are mixed about this post LaShawn.  First, the new program referenced is probably a load of crap foisted off as progress.  When children are young (thru 3rd or 4th grade) their minds are not typically mature enough to find the answers themselves. They respond well to being spoon fed the answers.  Children also respond well to the unbreakable logic of arithmetic, young children are very absolute in their thinking. </p>
<p>So, it is not too much to ask a child to memorize multiplication tables or other &#8216;drudges&#8217; of arithmetic.  Provided, that is, that they regularly get the right kinds and amounts of food, sleep, and discipline. (aye, there&#8217;s the rub)</p>
<p>When one moves beyond mere arithmetic and one is talking about algebra or calculus, the situation changes.  Different approaches to learning are needed.  </p>
<p>Allowing the children to find the answers on their own, or at least with lighter guidance, is a good idea.  The problem is that the guide has to be familiar with the territory and the destination. And the guide has to care that you arrive.<br />
Also, finding your own way means that some people will sprint in a straight line from problem to answer while others will meander in the wilderness before arriving at the answer.  This model does not jibe well with moving a class of 30 (or 20 or 10) kids to the next chapter in the book so that they can finish the requirements by summer break.</p>
<p>Homeschool is not a panacea but it does have the advantages that kids can work at their own pace, that their forward progress is individually and constantly monitored, and that the teacher has a strongly vested interest in the child&#8217;s success.</p>
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		<title>By: steve matlock</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/07/empty-education/comment-page-1/#comment-65862</link>
		<dc:creator>steve matlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear La Shawn,

You are hopelessly retrograde in your thinking. The goal of the new math is to get kids to think in new ways.

The correct answer is not the goal, because - THERE ARE NO CORRECT ANSWERS!

It&#039;s all about the process and not about the project. 

(end sarcasm)

Now, of course, the resulting educational accomplishments of these student might mean that they cannot perform simple tasks and will become the french fry cooks of the future - but the teachers can say, &quot;At least they know the process.&quot;

And this makes it all the better for the few parents who yank their kids out of public schools and teach them the basics at home - and whose kids thereby have an even greater chance of succeeding.

Just ask yourself - these Ph.D.&#039;s from India and Pakistan that are coming to America in droves - are THEY learning their maths this way, or do they learn maths the old-fashioned way? Do all the Chinese research labs&#039; employees use these new methods, or the old methods? 

Seems like the goal is create a class of American students who can&#039;t pour water from a boot if the instructions are printed on the heel - because these student will consider that all possible angles have an equal chance of being right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear La Shawn,</p>
<p>You are hopelessly retrograde in your thinking. The goal of the new math is to get kids to think in new ways.</p>
<p>The correct answer is not the goal, because &#8211; THERE ARE NO CORRECT ANSWERS!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about the process and not about the project. </p>
<p>(end sarcasm)</p>
<p>Now, of course, the resulting educational accomplishments of these student might mean that they cannot perform simple tasks and will become the french fry cooks of the future &#8211; but the teachers can say, &#8220;At least they know the process.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this makes it all the better for the few parents who yank their kids out of public schools and teach them the basics at home &#8211; and whose kids thereby have an even greater chance of succeeding.</p>
<p>Just ask yourself &#8211; these Ph.D.&#8217;s from India and Pakistan that are coming to America in droves &#8211; are THEY learning their maths this way, or do they learn maths the old-fashioned way? Do all the Chinese research labs&#8217; employees use these new methods, or the old methods? </p>
<p>Seems like the goal is create a class of American students who can&#8217;t pour water from a boot if the instructions are printed on the heel &#8211; because these student will consider that all possible angles have an equal chance of being right.</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Dublin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dub Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn:

I know I&#039;ve mentioned this before in e-mails to you, but I think your readers might like to know about the fastest-growing trend in solid education today, and it&#039;s based on ideas that are literally hundreds of years old:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accsedu.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Classical Christian Schooling&lt;/a&gt;.  This method is an attempt to recover the staggeringly successful educational methods that were used in medieval schools, when solidly educated students would routinely enter college fully prepared (in both their native language and Latin) at age 16.

These methods work just as well today as they did back then, and they are uniquely attuned to the developmental progression of the child in a way that none of the trendy educrat methods can match.    

There are two things that anyone even remotely interested in this proven method should read:  First, Dorothy Sayers (yes, the Oxford professor and author of the Lord Peter Wimsey mystery novels) classic 1947 essay, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gbt.org/text/sayers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Lost Tools of Learning&lt;/a&gt;.  Second, as a follow-up and to put more flesh on the bones, Douglas Wilson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canonpress.org/shop/category.asp?catid=27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book series on Classical Christian Education&lt;/a&gt;, beginning with &quot;Recovering the Lost Tools of Learning.&quot;

This method works - even when the schools implementing it (such as the one my children have attended here in Austin) do an incredibly poor job of putting it into actual practice, it still produces dramatically superior knowledge and understanding in the children than traditional methods.  (It&#039;s not that unusual for children from Classical Christian private shcools or homeschools to score 1100-1200 on the SAT in *7th* grade - My daughter did, and my son is likely to, and it&#039;s not all the superior genetics ;-), undoubtedly from my wife...)

This method is worth a look for anyone that wants to see how education can really deliver what it should, rather than the pale but still unmet promises we settle for in today&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn:</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ve mentioned this before in e-mails to you, but I think your readers might like to know about the fastest-growing trend in solid education today, and it&#8217;s based on ideas that are literally hundreds of years old:  <a href="http://www.accsedu.org" rel="nofollow">Classical Christian Schooling</a>.  This method is an attempt to recover the staggeringly successful educational methods that were used in medieval schools, when solidly educated students would routinely enter college fully prepared (in both their native language and Latin) at age 16.</p>
<p>These methods work just as well today as they did back then, and they are uniquely attuned to the developmental progression of the child in a way that none of the trendy educrat methods can match.    </p>
<p>There are two things that anyone even remotely interested in this proven method should read:  First, Dorothy Sayers (yes, the Oxford professor and author of the Lord Peter Wimsey mystery novels) classic 1947 essay, <a href="http://www.gbt.org/text/sayers.html" rel="nofollow">The Lost Tools of Learning</a>.  Second, as a follow-up and to put more flesh on the bones, Douglas Wilson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.canonpress.org/shop/category.asp?catid=27" rel="nofollow">book series on Classical Christian Education</a>, beginning with &#8220;Recovering the Lost Tools of Learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>This method works &#8211; even when the schools implementing it (such as the one my children have attended here in Austin) do an incredibly poor job of putting it into actual practice, it still produces dramatically superior knowledge and understanding in the children than traditional methods.  (It&#8217;s not that unusual for children from Classical Christian private shcools or homeschools to score 1100-1200 on the SAT in *7th* grade &#8211; My daughter did, and my son is likely to, and it&#8217;s not all the superior genetics <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , undoubtedly from my wife&#8230;)</p>
<p>This method is worth a look for anyone that wants to see how education can really deliver what it should, rather than the pale but still unmet promises we settle for in today&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn Barber on education. Crack open a 6th grade math textbook from 1900. You be a tad surprised. We haven&#8217;t come a long way baby. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn Barber on education. Crack open a 6th grade math textbook from 1900. You be a tad surprised. We haven&#8217;t come a long way baby.</p>
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