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		<title>By: Delwyn Campbell</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/08/bogus-rights/comment-page-2/#comment-66142</link>
		<dc:creator>Delwyn Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Christian giving, every time I read a survey by the Barna Institute, it points out that Christians are not tithing.  In general, the giving is at about 2% rather than 10%.  It doesn&#039;t seem to me like many Christians are all that concerned about the widow and the orphan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Christian giving, every time I read a survey by the Barna Institute, it points out that Christians are not tithing.  In general, the giving is at about 2% rather than 10%.  It doesn&#8217;t seem to me like many Christians are all that concerned about the widow and the orphan.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiongo Udoh</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/08/bogus-rights/comment-page-2/#comment-66091</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiongo Udoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Lashawn and Thank you very much for your insight. I also liked the insight of Cardova.
In the final analysis, I think that the concept of welfare will be hard to eradicate but we must review it based on generations of people that have lived in poverty and refused to do anything about it. (Post Katrina situation in New Orleans).
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Lashawn and Thank you very much for your insight. I also liked the insight of Cardova.<br />
In the final analysis, I think that the concept of welfare will be hard to eradicate but we must review it based on generations of people that have lived in poverty and refused to do anything about it. (Post Katrina situation in New Orleans).<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/08/bogus-rights/comment-page-2/#comment-66037</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation going on.  Kudos to Enrique, Redbeard, Helio, Sharon, suek et al. 8)

Me?  Nothing to add. Ya&#039;ll got it covered, bummer :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation going on.  Kudos to Enrique, Redbeard, Helio, Sharon, suek et al. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Me?  Nothing to add. Ya&#8217;ll got it covered, bummer <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ted Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with concern over 400 years of oppression, or twenty years of oppression is that it takes our focus away from the here and now.  Poverty takes form in many ways. A person from a thousand years ago would think todays poor were wealthy indeed. Does that mean we have no poverty? Of course not.  If our income were doubled would that eliminate poverty. Of course not.  If we took all of the money of that 1% of fat cats living high on the hog would it eliminate poverty. Not at all. There are physical levels that need to be met to take someone out of poverty but it cannot be done with money alone. Not just what is refereed to as poverty of spirit, but thankfulness is needed.

If we do not know what we have, we are poor. I am wealthy I just do not have a lot of money.  Would taking something that belonged to someone else make me wealthy.  not at all.  We cannot be wealthy without counting our blessings.  If we do not know how much we have we will always be concerned with those who have more.

All of my children are alive. (4 daughters) wealth indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with concern over 400 years of oppression, or twenty years of oppression is that it takes our focus away from the here and now.  Poverty takes form in many ways. A person from a thousand years ago would think todays poor were wealthy indeed. Does that mean we have no poverty? Of course not.  If our income were doubled would that eliminate poverty. Of course not.  If we took all of the money of that 1% of fat cats living high on the hog would it eliminate poverty. Not at all. There are physical levels that need to be met to take someone out of poverty but it cannot be done with money alone. Not just what is refereed to as poverty of spirit, but thankfulness is needed.</p>
<p>If we do not know what we have, we are poor. I am wealthy I just do not have a lot of money.  Would taking something that belonged to someone else make me wealthy.  not at all.  We cannot be wealthy without counting our blessings.  If we do not know how much we have we will always be concerned with those who have more.</p>
<p>All of my children are alive. (4 daughters) wealth indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;So why deny these people a government marriage?&gt;&gt;

Because it isn&#039;t a marriage?  

&gt;&gt;Civil marriage is a government institution that we all must enter in to receive government recognized marital benefits. This include medical,physical, and financial benefits&gt;&gt;

Doesn&#039;t it seem unfair that somebody has to find somebody else in order to qualify for these benefits?  Maybe the benefits should be available to _everybody_.  Why should the government discriminate against single people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;So why deny these people a government marriage?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Because it isn&#8217;t a marriage?  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Civil marriage is a government institution that we all must enter in to receive government recognized marital benefits. This include medical,physical, and financial benefits&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it seem unfair that somebody has to find somebody else in order to qualify for these benefits?  Maybe the benefits should be available to _everybody_.  Why should the government discriminate against single people?</p>
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		<title>By: OhBloodyHell</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/02/08/bogus-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-65974</link>
		<dc:creator>OhBloodyHell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; conservative idealogy

LaShawn, that&#039;s not really conservative, but libertarian. It just coincides with True Conservative principles somewhat (as opposed to Modern Conservatives, who think that anywhere right of the Democrats is conservative enough).

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; conservative idealogy</p>
<p>LaShawn, that&#8217;s not really conservative, but libertarian. It just coincides with True Conservative principles somewhat (as opposed to Modern Conservatives, who think that anywhere right of the Democrats is conservative enough).</p>
<p> <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been said in several ways in the comments to date, but I think two points still need clarification.  First, yes I am my BROTHERS keeper, and those I chose to call brothers.  You can&#039;t legislate that, period.  If you make the American people responsible for raising all Americans in poverty, why not all Britains, of French, or anybody?  Secondly, though we don&#039;t have the RIGHT to health care, some consideration must be made for absolute emergencies.  A hospital, or emergency care center, can&#039;t wait for one spouse or parent to find the insurance card while the victim lays bleeding to death.  That one is a bit harder to figure out, but needs a bit of thought before we wholesale lop off all of these so called rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been said in several ways in the comments to date, but I think two points still need clarification.  First, yes I am my BROTHERS keeper, and those I chose to call brothers.  You can&#8217;t legislate that, period.  If you make the American people responsible for raising all Americans in poverty, why not all Britains, of French, or anybody?  Secondly, though we don&#8217;t have the RIGHT to health care, some consideration must be made for absolute emergencies.  A hospital, or emergency care center, can&#8217;t wait for one spouse or parent to find the insurance card while the victim lays bleeding to death.  That one is a bit harder to figure out, but needs a bit of thought before we wholesale lop off all of these so called rights.</p>
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		<title>By: lukeNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukeNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh....Heliotrope...

how can one always make the right choices to prevent poverty? 

Poverty can happen to anyone. 

You can choose avenues and execute on them to get out of poverty. But you never know when you could be poverty-stricken. You could be wealthy one day and dead broke the next.  

And I&#039;m only talking about here in America where the opportunity to get out of poverty abounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh&#8230;.Heliotrope&#8230;</p>
<p>how can one always make the right choices to prevent poverty? </p>
<p>Poverty can happen to anyone. </p>
<p>You can choose avenues and execute on them to get out of poverty. But you never know when you could be poverty-stricken. You could be wealthy one day and dead broke the next.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m only talking about here in America where the opportunity to get out of poverty abounds.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;The difference between the James boys and liberals is that the James boys had enough honesty to use guns.&gt;&gt;

Ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;The difference between the James boys and liberals is that the James boys had enough honesty to use guns.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Ouch!</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point of the 400 years of oppression is that here in the US it has retarded one group of people&#039;s ability to function and compete on the same level as others. And in the past 20 years or so ( and I say 20 because the 80&#039;s just about took black folks back 200 years) we have been playing catch-up. 

It is easy for someone who has their own unique situation to tell someone else, who has their own unique situation, that if they work hard enough they can live the American Dream. In order for there to be rich people and middle class people, there are going to be poor people, and people that live in downright poverty. We live in a capitalist country. There are people who work hard and still can&#039;t afford the decent basic necessities of life in a civilized society. Yes, a homeless person can go to a shelter, but homeless shelters may have pretty tiles on the floor and 10 dollar paintings on the walls but they are riddled with criminals, mentally insane individuals, drug addicts, sexual predators, and thieves. And many people are scared to be boxed in with those type of people. Think of the SuperDome after Katrina. 

Blanket statements seem insensitive and a little bit naive to me. 

As for the government and rights, lets look at  gay marriage.  Being gay is not a crime nor is it a hostile threat to the physical safety of Americans, yet folks are rallying for the government and have voted for a president who they think will  block the ability for gay people to get civil marriages on the basis of Morality. Civil marriage has nothing to do with the marriage bond as deemed by God. Civil marriage is a government institution that we all must enter in to receive government recognized marital benefits. This include medical,physical, and financial benefits. So why deny these people a government marriage? None of which has to do with God or Christianity.  In my eyes, people want the government to reflect their religious morality and Christians want to uphold the moral code of Christianity, here. However, as a Christian, I believe that should also apply to taking care of the sick, poor, unsheltered and disabled.  To me, as a Christian, this is a right for everyone, and my government should reflect it as a right.

Sorry, but being taken care of is not a right biblically or otherwise. Christians are required to give privately, but Christians are not being unbiblical for not wanting to give through government. It is </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point of the 400 years of oppression is that here in the US it has retarded one group of people&#8217;s ability to function and compete on the same level as others. And in the past 20 years or so ( and I say 20 because the 80&#8217;s just about took black folks back 200 years) we have been playing catch-up. </p>
<p>It is easy for someone who has their own unique situation to tell someone else, who has their own unique situation, that if they work hard enough they can live the American Dream. In order for there to be rich people and middle class people, there are going to be poor people, and people that live in downright poverty. We live in a capitalist country. There are people who work hard and still can&#8217;t afford the decent basic necessities of life in a civilized society. Yes, a homeless person can go to a shelter, but homeless shelters may have pretty tiles on the floor and 10 dollar paintings on the walls but they are riddled with criminals, mentally insane individuals, drug addicts, sexual predators, and thieves. And many people are scared to be boxed in with those type of people. Think of the SuperDome after Katrina. </p>
<p>Blanket statements seem insensitive and a little bit naive to me. </p>
<p>As for the government and rights, lets look at  gay marriage.  Being gay is not a crime nor is it a hostile threat to the physical safety of Americans, yet folks are rallying for the government and have voted for a president who they think will  block the ability for gay people to get civil marriages on the basis of Morality. Civil marriage has nothing to do with the marriage bond as deemed by God. Civil marriage is a government institution that we all must enter in to receive government recognized marital benefits. This include medical,physical, and financial benefits. So why deny these people a government marriage? None of which has to do with God or Christianity.  In my eyes, people want the government to reflect their religious morality and Christians want to uphold the moral code of Christianity, here. However, as a Christian, I believe that should also apply to taking care of the sick, poor, unsheltered and disabled.  To me, as a Christian, this is a right for everyone, and my government should reflect it as a right.</p>
<p>Sorry, but being taken care of is not a right biblically or otherwise. Christians are required to give privately, but Christians are not being unbiblical for not wanting to give through government. It is</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse and Frank James thought the &quot;fat cats&quot; had all the money, and decided they wanted to take it.  The difference between the James boys and liberals is that the James boys had enough honesty to use guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse and Frank James thought the &#8220;fat cats&#8221; had all the money, and decided they wanted to take it.  The difference between the James boys and liberals is that the James boys had enough honesty to use guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43 re: &quot;the fat cats that have all the money&quot;.

I know you realize that if the fat cats had ALL the money, that would leave none for you and me.

Poverty of spirit is far worse than poverty of pocket. 

The most pitiful soul is one with poverty of pocket who wastes valuable energy by feeding off a poverty of spirit.

Only you can prevent your own poverty. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone&#039;s head and forcing him to make counter-productive choices.

This is from one who has been there and is never going back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43 re: &#8220;the fat cats that have all the money&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know you realize that if the fat cats had ALL the money, that would leave none for you and me.</p>
<p>Poverty of spirit is far worse than poverty of pocket. </p>
<p>The most pitiful soul is one with poverty of pocket who wastes valuable energy by feeding off a poverty of spirit.</p>
<p>Only you can prevent your own poverty. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone&#8217;s head and forcing him to make counter-productive choices.</p>
<p>This is from one who has been there and is never going back.</p>
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		<title>By: musiclover</title>
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		<dc:creator>musiclover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll admit I didn&#039;t read all of this post, but I think I got the main point. Yeah, we may not be &quot;obligated&quot; for anything, but the fat cats that have all the money do, we do need affordable housing and affordable medications. Heck, LaShawn,you know what the price for s starter home is around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll admit I didn&#8217;t read all of this post, but I think I got the main point. Yeah, we may not be &#8220;obligated&#8221; for anything, but the fat cats that have all the money do, we do need affordable housing and affordable medications. Heck, LaShawn,you know what the price for s starter home is around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May not have expressed it as well as I hoped in #9. We do not have a &quot;right&quot; to welfare.  Our society has a need for a safety net. A hand up rather than a hand out. Post by Tom Gray (#41) is a reasonable attempt. Alternative is figuring out what to do with the dead bodies.  The Nazi party wanted the weak to go to the wall. 

400 years of oppression?  Think the universe is fair? The universe does not care about you or me. It was designed to be indifferent to us. Past injustice is past, deal with todays oppressions, one of which is the manufacture of rights as an election ploy. Done by individuals who are aware of the damage they are doing to Dame Liberty. Desire to cry a pox on both their houses, but as adults we sometimes need to learn to make a choice between unpleasant alternatives. 

Am against abortion.  Recognize I have no inherent right to tell others what to do. Believe Ros vs Wade was an improper decision.  But when reading the constitution I gain the sense of a right to privacy.  Do not believe it to be a &quot;manufactured&quot; right at all.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Thanks for such a penetrating idea of how to get so many to comment without rancor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May not have expressed it as well as I hoped in #9. We do not have a &#8220;right&#8221; to welfare.  Our society has a need for a safety net. A hand up rather than a hand out. Post by Tom Gray (#41) is a reasonable attempt. Alternative is figuring out what to do with the dead bodies.  The Nazi party wanted the weak to go to the wall. </p>
<p>400 years of oppression?  Think the universe is fair? The universe does not care about you or me. It was designed to be indifferent to us. Past injustice is past, deal with todays oppressions, one of which is the manufacture of rights as an election ploy. Done by individuals who are aware of the damage they are doing to Dame Liberty. Desire to cry a pox on both their houses, but as adults we sometimes need to learn to make a choice between unpleasant alternatives. </p>
<p>Am against abortion.  Recognize I have no inherent right to tell others what to do. Believe Ros vs Wade was an improper decision.  But when reading the constitution I gain the sense of a right to privacy.  Do not believe it to be a &#8220;manufactured&#8221; right at all.</p>
<p>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Thanks for such a penetrating idea of how to get so many to comment without rancor.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food, shelter, and clothes should be considered &lt;i&gt;civilization benefits&lt;/i&gt;.  And we should live in a civilization which can offer every person such benefits -- thru a volunteer National Service Corps.

With a 10pm nightly curfew, no drinking alcohol in the barracks.  Up at 7am  -- go to work.  The Service Corps will always have some work: picking up garbage/ doing maintenance/ building houses...

A middle class American life is an achievable dream for those willing to work a bit for it -- benefits have costs, and people enjoying benefits have responsibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food, shelter, and clothes should be considered <i>civilization benefits</i>.  And we should live in a civilization which can offer every person such benefits &#8212; thru a volunteer National Service Corps.</p>
<p>With a 10pm nightly curfew, no drinking alcohol in the barracks.  Up at 7am  &#8212; go to work.  The Service Corps will always have some work: picking up garbage/ doing maintenance/ building houses&#8230;</p>
<p>A middle class American life is an achievable dream for those willing to work a bit for it &#8212; benefits have costs, and people enjoying benefits have responsibilities.</p>
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