>>>”Cobra, I DARE you to pack up your stuff, store it somewhere and move to Africa and spend a year. Just do it!!!”

LOL! You’re not the first guy to tell me to “Go back to Africa”, and I’m sure you won’t be the last. Especially since I have the nerve to commit the heinous crime of P.T.T.W.B.–”Posting The Truth While Black.”
But, hey…at least you made me smile!

Christopher writes:

>>>”Another dirty little secret is that most blacks are middle class or rich.”

Chris…Oh man…back up thread I thought you wanted to have a serious dialogue. Here you’re trying your hand at the same comedy routines Andy was trying.

>>>”Real per capita income was unchanged between 2000 and 2001 for the
overall population ($22,851), each of the race groups and Hispanics. It
was $26,134 for non-Hispanic Whites; $14,953 for African Americans;
$24,277 for Asians and Pacific Islanders; and $13,003 for Hispanics.”

THE FACTS ABOUT BLACKS

I just hope Andy and Chris don’t take their comedy tour on the road up here. Folks at the Apollo might not give you the response you’d prefer.

–Cobra

Or they are Jamaican, the only other stereotype Hollywood and TV know of blacks.

Which brings me to something hilarious: I have Jamaican friends who hate being called African-American. They aren’t from Africa. The last person from Africa in their family was 8 generations ago. The West Africans I know hate the term too, they like being AMERICANS.

If one were to monetize or otherwise assign a value to the difference in living standards and the available — often ignored/abused/unappreciated — opportunities that ‘institutional racists’ provides, then one must acknowledge that black Americans have come a long way from their ‘left-behind’ cousins.

Never mind that it was those same ‘cousins’ that sold us for a few pieces of silver. Talk about karma

Cobra, I DARE you to pack up your stuff, store it somewhere and move to Africa and spend a year. Just do it!!!

But you probably won’t, cause you’re too weak & coddled by the very system you conveniently condemn. Your raison d’etre, eh?

Not much there in Africa by the way of cable TV, sanitation, internet access, Mickey-Dees, and all the other modern conveniences that we take for granted — unless you are rich. God forbid that you need develop callouses or break a sweat trying to eke out a living back in ye olde homeland.

Hmmm… Liberals love to rail against the richest 1, 5, or 10% of Americans and how some of that needs to be redistributed to the poor masses. I submit to you that the richest 1 or perhaps at most 5%, but certainly not 10% of Africans can afford the aforementioned amenities.

So why don’t you take your cherished beliefs and go campaign somewhere in Africa against the institutionalized racism/religion-ism/tribalism that holds the majorities down? Be sure to send us progress reports on your making a difference in social justice.

Bottomline, affirmative action is a racist institution.

Its based on the idea that since whites are inherently superior to blacks, blacks need to have racial quotas in their favor in order to succeed. Totally wrong.

I BET NO ONE WILL EVER TOUCH THIS SUBJECT

You are not going to accomplish what you want if you do not give up the anger.

Polite logical persuasion is the only way to truly advance what you want. Name calling/labeling/making disparaging remarks about American society is only going to make people defensive and prepared for a fight.

I am in a working class family that is not racist. My family has a right to compete equally and fairly in our society as anyone else. My family does not owe you or any other “minority” anything, other than the respect and kindness we should all show any member of our relatively progressive and advanced society.

(La Shawn, thank you for having that spell checker feature!)

>>>”1) America is not anti-minority. There are some PEOPLE in America who are, but the country as a whole both institutionally and as a general populace is not in any way. Institutionally, we’re quite the opposite.”

Lending? Housing? Employment? Law Enforcement? You’re saying there isn’t racism in THOSE institutions? Please provide me with evidence to support your claims…because I can fill this screen with statistics, research, studies and court findings that undeniably show institutional racism in America.
Of course, there are some people who don’t acknowledge statistics, research, studies and court findings that fail to support their arguments.

Christopher writes:

>>>”2) Would you care if 2-5% of blacks were being affected negatively by a program? Would you want that program eliminated?”

America has negatively affected blacks since day one. You’re not arguing that you would eliminate…

–Cobra

Being racist does not help what racism exists in America to become less pervasive, Cobra, no matter how you attempt to portray the situation. Nor does perpetuating the loathsome myth that minorities can only make it by the help of whites in power.

“We know America is anti-minority already, so let’s be fair and eliminate Affirmative Action, because we know that the 2 to 5% of whites affected by it would appreciate it.”

two things:
1) America is not anti-minority. There are some PEOPLE in America who are, but the country as a whole both institutionally and as a general populace is not in any way. Institutionally, we’re quite the opposite.
2) Would you care if 2-5% of blacks were being affected negatively by a program? Would you want that program eliminated?

Stop supporting a racist program that hurts, not helps minorities.

>>>” As I said, being racist to fix racism is not a solution, it’s perpetration of the same problem. Further, it continues to be disgusting and insulting to maintain a program that perpetrates the idiot myth that blacks simply cannot make it without massa white gubmint giving them a hand.”

It’s not a very honest argument to say that make when you claim that hiring, admitting to college or awarding contracts to LESS minorities is going to improve the position minorities have in a racist society. But that, in effect, is EXACTLY what your argument is, and that of other anti-affirmative action types:

“We know America is anti-minority already, so let’s be fair and eliminate Affirmative Action, because we know that the 2 to 5% of whites affected by it would appreciate it.”

Be real about it, folks.

–Cobra

Further, do you have a problem with the CONTENT of that point about only white people can help you or do you simply dislike how it was stated? The presumption of affirmative action is inescapably and obviously “you can’t hack it unless whites help you” and that’s grotesque.

There are some for which this is true.

and it’s elite country club rulers who are trying to keep them out of college. Is there even the slightest basis in fact for this position?

I don’t think that at all. So I won’t respond to something I don’t think.

The message is basically this: “you’re stupid and only white people can help you.” Yet the liberals and the Jesse Jacksons of the world have the gall to characterize conservatives as “haters?”

I find what’s quoted to be racist because it presupposes that Blacks are unable to think for themselves, are incapable of reaching a conclusion on their own, and are actually lead by media appointed people.