Update II: Illegal Immigration From A Biblical Point of View
One more thing: no matter what you think of Rush Limbaugh, you need to listen to him on this immigration issue. He always, always makes me feel better when I’m this angry. He might do the same for you. Listen online here.
Update (3/30): Michelle Malkin has more info about our “undocumented” workers.
Also see Pro-Enforcement, Not Anti-Immigrant , Illegal Aliens Threated U.S. Health System, FAIR, Internet Pilot Program, and last but most important — one way to discourage idiotic businesses that hire illegal aliens is to sue them under RICO.
Focusing all of our energy on border jumpers won’t solve the problem. We need to put pressure of businesses, report the ones who hire illegal aliens, generate some press – something. Visit We Hire Aliens, and do what you can do.
Also see A Nation of Outlaws, Part I and Part II.
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I’m trying to calm down before I blog about the illegal alien protests. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo via Michelle Malkin)
That takes nerve, mis amigos, gathering in large groups to protest in a foreign country, which you entered in violation of that country’s federal law. Surrounded by law enforcement officials who ought to haul you in and ship you back to the Third World hole from which you came, you’ve got the cojones to demand rights. In my country.
I’ve got your rights right here: You have the RIGHT to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you…
Lord, I hope you haven’t foreordained my election to office. I can see the snipers now, lined up at the windows, ready to strike me down for advocating the immediate deportation of illegal ingrates mocking my country’s laws and giving the American people a collective finger. Dónde está George Bush? Right here.
I’ll be back. 
Later…In Part I of Guests or gate crashers, Thomas Sowell writes:
The Bush administration is pushing a program to legalize “guest workers.” But what is a guest? Someone you have invited. People who force their way into your home without your permission are called gate crashers.
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We could solve the problem of all illegal activity anywhere by legalizing it. Why use this approach only with immigration? Why should any of us pay a speeding ticket if immigration scofflaws are legalized after the fact for committing a federal crime?
Read Part II.
Even later…Robbie of Urban Grounds writes in comments:
I’m actually all in favor of giving California back to Mexico. Especially San Francisco.
But so long as they understand that with the return of CA to Mexico, they also lose all of the benefits they had been enjoying as (illegal) residents of the United States — world class health care, free schools, being employed by American companies for American dollars, etc.
Sorry, but you can’t have Texas back.
I concur. They can have California, especially San Francisco.
Next day…Debra Saunders:
Of course America needs immigrants. This is a country founded by immigrants and made richer by the imprint of newcomers in search of a land that rewards their hard work and determination to make a better life for their families.
The problem is that no country — certainly, no country with a social safety net — can afford to accommodate everyone who wants in. (Or as Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., put it, “We cannot be the HMO to the world.”) That’s why there are immigration policies that limit the number of people who can immigrate here legally.
The lack of an open-door policy has spawned this week’s victim class, illegal or “undocumented” immigrants, who have flouted American law and apparently believe they should not have to pay the consequences of that choice.
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I have to agree with Dana here. This has been going on for at least two decades with no real results. I’m thinking Reagan also tried to impose some strict law or guest worker program that wasnt really been enforced back then either.
Election year politics, once that passes, its back to status quo. Brown-skinned illegal immigrants are an easy scapegoat.
Its the perfect situation for business. Kinda like slavery. They have no rights, are paid paltry sums of money, have no benefits. Of course business and gov’t wants to want to keep things “as is”. Its my belief that cheap borrowing and cheap labor is keeping our economy afloat right now.
Recent quote from conservative Elizabeth Dole, R-NC. “We defintely want to do something about illegal immigration, but we dont want to wreck our economy!” That means leave things “as is”.
I can speak some spanish so that gives me more people to witness too. I dont have to there, God is bringing them here!
So, wake me up when this is over….*yawn*
“I can speak some spanish so that gives me more people to witness too. I dont have to there, God is bringing them here!”
So God is making them break the law along with the companies who hire them…
I missed that command in the Bible
19. Bucktowndusty,
here are the top industries that illegals are working in and their percentage of that industry. You will note that in no case are they the majority of employees. Which shoots the argument that they do jobs Americans won’t do down.
Drywall and Ceiling Tile Installers 27%
Landscaping Services 26%
Domestic Help (Maids/Housekeepers) 22%
Roofers 21%
Animal Slaughter and Processing 20%
Hotel Industry 13%
Food Service 11%
Agriculture 11%
Construction 10%
24. Mahndisa,
So far there has been no comprihensive study to my knowledge dealing strictly with illegal immigrants and wage depression but I can give you the results of a Harvard study on non-native born immigration and the wage loses of native born for the years 1980-2000. High school dropouts lost 7.4% of their income. High school graduates lost 2.4%. Those with some college lost 2.3%. College graduates lost 3.1%. Now if you notice the biggest loses occur at the unskilled/low skilled level. Which directly correlates with the highest skill level numbers of illegal immigrants. And a really good example of the lack of inovation in an indutry and low cost labor is the tomato farmers. Just before the end of the borecos era tomato producers claimed that ending illegal immigration would destroy their industry. What actually happened was without the cheap labor tomato farmers and to find new inovative ways to harvest their crops. They did and the tomato farmers have never looked back. Logic would dictate that business will not spend money on inovation and new production technics until they have financial reasons to do so.
26 Mark Bey. You miss the point sadly. Legal Immigration is fine. Illegal Immigration is a crime. You point out that they are just looking for a better life. So in your opinion that makes it okay? If so then drug dealers who just want a better life are okay? What about robbers who just want a better life? Embezzlers? Human Trafficers? Wanting a better life does not justify breaking the law.
But I do agree with you that employers need to be punsished for breaking the law. A huge fine for the first offense and prison for the second. But jus dealing with employers alone is not enough just like dealing with the border alone is not enough. There needs to be a complete approach. And as far as $10 a pound grapes doubtful. Economic forces would cause either inovation in the harvesting or demand would shrink so that $10 a pound grapes would be acceptable to those who truely desire them. The market effect of supply and demand at work.
56,58,59,60
I am amazed that you don’t get it. There is no dispute that big business and rich elites like slave labor. That does not make it right. You claim that deporting the illegals aliens would devistate our economy? Yet we Officially have 7.6 million umemployed citizens. Unofficially the number would at least double. All that it would mean for business is they would have to pay a living wage and cut into their profits.While the high profile news about illegal immigration has been recent the real ground swell has been building for those two decades. And to the Atlanta person how do these new business men manage to open businesses on the slave wages you claim they get?
The bottom line is regardless of why they violate the laws illegal immigrants, the businesses that hire them and the politicians who curry their favor need to realize that the average American is getting angry over this issue and to ignore it or reward lawbreaking will have a huge backlash for years to come
A chance for a better life…
umm, the bible has another definition…COVETOUSNESS
We should also be sure to remember that many of these are High School students. I remember doing protests in High School, it was a great excuse to cut class. Case in point from the the Houston Cronicle:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3758105.html
I wanted to be sure to comment on the ‘cheap labor’ meme as well. Last night on the local news here in Houston, they interviewed the Mayor who said that Houston tracks the costs of illegal immigrants to Houston. He said illegal immigration cost Houston $100 Million last year. This wasn’t ‘lost tax’ costs either, these were costs for providing health care, additional law enforcement, housing criminals, and social services. When 1/3 of your mortgage goes to taxes, the cheap labor suddenly doesn’t seem so cheap.
LaShawn & Friends,
You’ve GOT TO check out Bad Eagle. He’s summed up this issue better than anybody I’ve read yet.
A must read: http://www.badeagle.com
Someone you have invited. People who force their way into your home without your permission are called gate crashers.
– Tom Sowell
No, Tom, the illegals HAVE been invited. Maybe not by you, but by someone much bigger than you — American business.
And check your history — no one invited runaway slaves into their communities and transporting them — like transporting illegals — was illegal too.
And let’s stay with this human rights angle for a bit, shall we? I’ve lived in South America. I’ve seen how girls 14 years of age were forced into prostitution to feed themselves. I’ve seen taxi cab drivers working 12 hours a day and earning less than $50.
These people are suffering; that’s why they — like runaway slaves — risk life and limb to get here.
Finally, if the laws where changed to make them legal would that change your opinion? No. Because your opinion and the opinons we see here, really have nothing to do with textbook law.
They’re different. That’s the problem and historically — even in the days of ancient Rome! — that’s been the problem. They’re different; you don’t like them.
That’s the crux of the thing.
ric
If you have children, I certain hope you’re not teaching them this rubbish.
There are people here from countries other than Mexico who flout this country’s immigration laws, and NONE should be rewarded for it with amnesty. There are people trying to do the right thing, waiting to become LEGAL citizens of this great country. And illegal aliens, no matter how “different” or similar, are breaking the law. I will continue speaking out against them and their criminal behavior, and I’m in the process of finding out what MORE I can do about the scourge. – Admin
#56-ricland,
“What goes around comes around. We stole CA, New Mexico, etc, from the Latinos, now it’s payback time.”
How did you steel it? How much are you willing to pay back to the victims of your theft and atrocities? Should you be prosecuted for war crimes?
We should put you in charge and you can give it back to them. When they’ve turned it into the prosperous land of their dreams, we can pay them to go back and visit and vacation or trade with them for the precious goods that they produce. They might even be entitled to ownership of Taco Bell.
Actually, who are they? Who ordained Mexico as the ruler of the northern lands? Should it be given back to Spain?
Maybe we can DNA all of the Mexicans and trace back their original ancestry and put those people in charge. Those of lesser ancestry would have to be subservient to those of the higher.
A new age for all mankind will emerge. We will all live under rule of the DNAsty and for those people who believe in evolution, might be ruled by apes.
Here we are, stuck between compassion and what is right. This is a great country, which will become no country at all if we encourage and reward illegal behavior.
If we were to deport the millions of illegals, reset the clock to zero,our welfare system, schools and social programs would benefit greatly.
In localized areas the economy which had been based on their trade: home/apartment owners who had rented to illegals, stores which sold them goods would face economic disaster. I suggest that we should do it anyway. That sounds terrible, but rewarding illegal behavior is worse.
We are a nation of Former immigrants.
I meant to mention: Renee, great comments today! I didn’t need to post more, as you have already expressed what I was thinking. Have a great day!
What would happen if you legalized all the illegal immigrants here already and made them citizens. Wouldnt we still have the same problem 10 or 15 years from now. If all immigrants here illegally were made citizens wouldnt they then have to compete with imigrants who will still come here in order to access a higher quality of life. I believe that there needs to short, mid, and long term solutions that are creative and are proactive and result oriented. What annoys be about most of the comments on this topic, is most seem to put most of the fault of the immigrants who are usually doing jobs that americans wont do. To get here in the first place immigrants must trave hundreds of miles, sometimes through the hot desert, swim rivers, boarder patrol, minute men, ect. Then after all of that they still had to find a job. The only thing companies who hire these folks would need to do is not hire the them. But like I said Its not , rich people dont want to give up thier nanies, landscappers and other cheap forms of labor. If the goverment and the states were to crack down on crack down on american companies that hire them. If you fine enough of this companies that hire illegal workers the number of illegal workers would down. But praticing what we are preaching, and holding american companies respnsible giving them (illegals) a reason to come in the first place, there is always a job and an american company willing to supply that job to folks who are commiting they know is commiting a crime by bieng here. All to fatten their profits. Why dont you folks focus a little attention on the companies diong the hiring who are also breaking law by hiring undocumented workers. Semms to me that this would sovle the problem. But know that would be too much like right. Mark
A little history here:
The main reason the Mexican War of 1836 was fought was because the Mexicans refused to allow Americans to practice slavery. Once we defeated Mexico, slavery became a way of life in all the places we took from Mexico.
That’s right: Davey Crockett, Jim Bowie and all those other “heros” were fighting for the right to bring slaves into Texas.
Point being, your outrage over the “illegals” would have more merit if you displayed a similar outrage over how CA, New Mexico, etc, came under U.S. ownership — and the reason why (slavery) it came under U.S. ownership.
“Chickens coming home to roost” as Malcolm would have said.
We took their choice land.
Now they want it back, Baby.
ricland
#63 James…I agree with you completely. Also, I’ve been looking for those labor statistics you gave. Could you please provide a source?
Thanks
Thanks La Shawn for re-linking your previous post on a biblical view of illegal immigration.
This isn’t about what is fair but what is right. Our laws are being broken with impunity. Advocates for full amnesty are playing the race card hard. There is a sense of entitlement permeating this crap that is dead wrong. We owe illegals NOTHING. They are here ILLEGALLY, hence the term illegal immigrants. Because the predominate group is from Latin America, our feckless leadership in both houses won’t do what needs doing. Our border patrol and law enforcement agents are being targeted for assassination by hired thugs. The government of Mexico is supporting said thugs with military assets. We are being invaded, plain and simple. And nobody at the federal level gives a shit beyond their next election. We need to secure the borders, both north and south. That is the first step. Stop them from coming in, or at least slow the flow to a trickle. Then, those who are felons need to be deported to country of origin and their information registered in a central database open to all law enforcement agencies to prevent their return. The “born here, become a citizen automatically†must be revoked. Only citizenship for newborns of CITIZENS automatically. No more benefits for illegals. Make it uncomfortable for them to be here. Heavily fine employers who knowingly hire illegals. You don’t pay, you don’t play. For those who wish to apply for citizenship, they must follow the same process as anyone else applying. The 10% rule needs to be suspended for Latin American countries for at least 10 years to allow for a balanced influx from other countries. Our southern neighbors have had cart blanche for too damn long. Do you realize the border patrol was established in 1924 to address this self same problem? Effective use of our tax dollars wouldn’t you say? Ranks right up there with the DEA as a bullshit, waste of time agency. Stopping the flow MUST be the priority at this point.
http://www.weneedafence.com
The people who have a problem with the illegals predictably are the lower middle class with no vested interest in keeping them here. Historically, this has been the pattern with immigration problems. But, historically, save in situations of civil war, it has been the iron rule of economics that wins.
You may recall the hue and cry over Japanese autos during the 60s and 70s. The same people behind that movement today all drive foreign cars — Why? Because foreign cars are better.
Simply put, immigration laws regarding South Americans no longer mean anything. The iron law of economics has torn them asunder. In fact, what’s going on in Congress right now is just a face-saving gesture. There’s nothing Congress, the President, or anyone can do to stop the illegals. It’smuch too late for that. There here in our house and they’re not leaving any time soon.
So what Congress is looking for is a graceful way of dealing with the thing. In other words, the immigration war is over — we lost.
Let me repeat that: The immigration war is over — we lost.
Here in Denver, Colo, the heart of the black community used to be Welton St. No more. Today, there are three Mexican auto repair shops there and one black auto repair shop. I went to the black once. I know use the Mexican repair shops whenever I need something done. The quality of work is the same, but the diffence in price is 40%
This illustrates my point about the iron law of econmics this way: Until you folks who are against the illegals are prepared to spend 40% more to get your car fixed, don’t expect American Business to spend 40% more to run their businesses which they’d be doing without the illegals.
And understand this if you understand nothing else: illegal Mexican workers are the best thing to happen to American business in the last 100 years — the very best.
ric
As the granddaughter of immigrants, I am appalled and outraged by what is going on with this immigration fiasco and am particularly embarrassed that Mike DeWine is one of MY senators (the mind boggles). I have done what I always do – e-mailed Frist and DeWine. Informed DeWine that his re-election chances were all but destroyed and suggested that Bill Frist strap on a set! Amazingly, Dr. Frist seems to have listened!
Is anyone else watching the Senate on c-span and listening to our senators talk about all the illegals they know and some of them by name? They talk about how they feel for them, how they own homes and businesses, have lived here for x number of years…go on and on. What kind of joke is this anyhow? The more I watch, the more ridiculous this whole thing becomes…and I’m speaking of our very own senators.
So Ricland that means violating the law is okay in your book? And I don’t know rather you are aware of it but middle class of any kind is rapidly disappearing in this country. Personally illegal aliens have no effect on my standard of living, but that doesn’t make it right or mean I don’t care about the issue. I am not sure how to make this plainer “I don’t feel any remorse about the plight of people (regardless of where they come from) who have no respect for this nation or it’s laws” Plain enough? Business is not the deciding authority on right and wrong. Besides you ignore the most basic law of economics. Supply and demand. Granted in the short term we might see prices rise but only until the demand equaled the supply.
Diane
You can find most of the facts I cited by going to the Bureau Of Labor Stastics web site. Or google illegal immigration and industry
Thanks La Shawn for recommending listening to Rush…
it was going good (and I got a few laughs) til I heard the sound bite from Ted “Get away with Murder” Kennedy which he called this the new civil rights movement…
just proving my point…
Other than that, he made me feel better
Let me explain something about law to you, James. The first law is to provide for yourself and family. All other laws follow this one. This explains why you are here today instead of drinking Guinness is some ratty little pub in England or Ireland.
Like most of humankind the illegals follow the first law. They want their kids to grow up to be Attorney General instead a $50 a day taxi drivers. Your position is, no! Obeying the law is more important. Obeying the law must be done at all costs. This law is sacred and whomsoever disobeys it is a criminal and has no rights we should honor.
The illegals must accept their plight and with that sccept the fact that their children will never amount to anything. This is their curse they must bear for to not accept thier station in life and break our law is something no decent human being would ever do.
We should suppose, James, that were you born 100 years ago you’d have been as inflexible with women who demanded the vote, and 100 years before that, slaves who demanded their freedom.
Each broke the LAW in their quest for a better life.
In other words, James, the question really boils down to this: is it time for that particular law to be changed (and the fact that the people who broke it would benefit from this change has nothing to do with the question of whether it’s time for a change).
It’s time for the law to be changed and not just because 11 million Mexicans are disobeying it, but because WE are disobeying too. And more compelling still, everyone in this newsgroup– including you, James — would break this law were he a business owner looking to cut costs.
Oh, yes you would.
And there you have it. That’s the profile of a law that needs to be changed — a law everyone starts breaking.
Would you save 40% by using the Mexican auto mechanic? Yes, you would. Would you save $50,000 on a house built by illegal Mexican workers? Yes, you would. Did it ever occur to you that when you take these savings you support the 11 million illegal Mexican work force — people who break the LAW?
It should have.
No, James, the question is not one of law, but one of justice, a notion one clever fellow once wrote, no law should ever abridge.
You are fat, well-fed, have great medical coverage, your children go to wonderful schools, you eat red meat everyday, have a wide-screen television, drive the latest Japanese car and yet cannot fathom why anyone else would want such things. You just can’t fathom it; it makes no sense to you at all.
It would have to your immigrant grandfather, though.
ricland
“Let the prisoners work the farms”
What a concept!
First off Ricland you know absolutely nothing about me personally. You assume that I am fat well feed etc. But that may or may not be so.
You equate Law with justice. Then explain to my how it is just for people who violate the laws as they exist today to be given rewards when there are ohter people who are waiting in line following the laws just to be given the same opportunity that these people have taken for themselves.
As far as my immigrant grandfather. He understood the concept of obeying the law. He immigrated according to the laws of this country. You use twisted logic that if the ends is for a better future than the means do not matter. Okay then you are saying that no person has to obey any law as long as they are doing it for a better life for themselves? That is hedonistic anarchy. No laws matter as long as I have a good reason.
I am curious about something though and since you make assumtions about me (Although you are way off) I will return the favor. You are fairly young college education with a well paying job and a good benefit package. You think life revolves around the almighty dollar and you have no respect for the rule of law other than how you can make it work in your favor. Hence you are more likely then not a liberal. You feel that because my forefather’s built this land with the help of countless others (yours included I assume) that we owe the rest of the world the fruits of our collective labors. This country has always welcome legal immigrants but that does not mean all immigrants.
Let me see if I understand you. There should be no borders anywhere? The only laws that matter are those of self interest? And all countries must pay for the sins of their past? Does this about sum up your philosphy?
Women’s suffrage?, slavery? miscegenation? integration? Taxation without representation …?
Should we assume were your around at each point in our history you’d have used the same logic you use today to condemn illegals?
Suppose you were around 1000 years ago in England when the punishment for stealing a chicken was to have your hand cut off and one eye plucked out? Should we assume you’d have used the same logic you use today to support this law too?
Please be aware that your type of opposition is nothing new. It’s as old as the pyramids — older.
The law is the will of the people not something handed down from the Mount, and the will of the people changes.
Two hundred years ago it was the will of the people slavery exist. One hundred years later it was not and so the PROCESS that changed that law began. This PROCESS was very similar to what we see happening today with illegal immigration. This Process usually ends with with the underdog winning. Look at Christianity and ancient Rome.
The illegals have the moral high ground here, not you. Your position is no different from the Southern whites who thought blacks had no right to drink from the same water fountain as them because the LAW said they didn’t.
Remember, it was the slave-holder Thomas Jefferson himself, who wrote “in the course of human events…”
He was talking about laws written in England enforced upon the colonists. He called them “unjust” laws. His point wasn’t that all laws were unjust, but that some — like taxation without representation — were.
Make no mistake,. King George and every one of his subjects disagreed. All of them took the position you now take — those colonists are criminal rabble! They have no respect for the law! They need to be put down!
Are our current immigration laws unjust? that’s the question and to answer this question we must answer another: has there been a dramatic change in circumstances since these laws were passed?
For example: When it became clear in the late 1930s that Hitler was sending Jews to the ovens, do you think that was cause to change our immigration laws? Of course you do. Why? because the circumstances had changed. Would you have turned a Jew away before the law was changed? Of course you would not have … then again, maybe you would have
In other words, the only meaningful question here is whether the changed circumstances warrant changing the law. Jingoism, name-calling, lynch-mob mentalities are not the solution; in this George Bush was right.
“In the course of human events …”
As to who I am, you’re welcome to visit my site and watch my videos: blacklogs.com I’m the guy with the wizard cap and sunglasses.
ric
Presidente Vincente Fox (Zorro) is a racist; remember when he said that Mexicans would take jobs that “even our blacks” wouldn’t do. To understand Mexico is simple; the less Aztec or Mayan ancestry you have, the higher you go up the economic ladder. The people of Spanish and German etc. ancestry are only too happy to dump their surplus population into our country, then it’s our problem, and we pay for it!
#91: You can’t call Fox racist and then make racist comments yourself about anyone who is of Aztec or Mayan ancestry.
If every illegal coming over was racist — and many are — what would that have to do with anything?
You need to take a position and stick with it. You can’t make up stuff as you go because doing so makes us question your orginal stated motives.
The illegals will pull themselves up by their bootstraps, move into good neighborhoods, and finally, piss on blacks the way every other ethnic group has.
And rightly so …
ric
It is the truth Thomas. All the Mexican elites are almost pure European. Many at the top have no Amerindian blood at all.
Well said Ricland.
It is appalling the hypocrisy this fictional debate has generated. The hypocrisy abounds on many levels. For example, some condemn the undocumented immigrants for allegedly breaking the law, but would deny them and documented immigrants the protection of the First Amendment. If you are going to hold people accountable for breaking a law, you must also afford them the protection of the law.
Moreover, most people really don’t know anything about immigration law. What has fueled the fervor has been inflammatory sound bites, not reality. We should understand that people have a inherent desire to survive. If survival requires you to risk your life to save it, then that is something you will do. The United States provides an opportunity for a better life for those who live in economically deprived third world countries. The United States also provides a safe haven for those who live in political undesirable countries (please note that the United States’ immigration laws provide more favorable treatment for Cubans refugees than Haitians refugees). So just like the run-away slaves prior to the civil war, these people are searching for a better life. During the days of slavery, there were many state laws that made it illegal for slaves to run-away. Yet many broke those laws to escape to the north. Query: should those slaves have been sent back to the south where they would have been beaten, subjected to mayhem, or killed? Or if none of those things happened (which is unlikely), placed back into slavery? If you answer no, then why are so many calling for the deportation of undocumented immigrants.
People should ask why now is this issue being placed at the forefront of a national debate. Please don’t tell me it has anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism. Instead, it has everything to do with firing up the conservative base in an election year. For decades, undocumented immigrants have been flooding the United States, including the last six years of Bush’s administration. Yet conveniently, immigration is a hot-button issue this year.
People need to think instead of just reacting sound bites from politicians and the media control. Neither politicians nor the media should control how, when, and what you think. I thought we would have learned those lessons from the Iraq War.
Ahhhh..comparing border jumpers to asylum seekers and refugees. Talk about “fictional debate.” The slavery analogy is nauseating and not similar to border-jumping in the least. Why more blacks aren’t offended by this odious comparison is beyond me. – Admin
I struggle with anger about this issue because I’ve been to very poor and dysfunctional, over-populated countries and don’t want the U.S. to end up like that. And it’s easier to see when you live around it. If you’re living in an area with manicured lawns and clean streets, you don’t really think about it.
Another reason why it bugs me is because I meet decent immigrants (some who don’t even have kids) who want to stay here but they can’t. Our country has such low standards! We’re the richest country on earth, but it’s a third world nation waiting to happen.
Hey…
we have a NEW definition for slavery (as with everything else in PC America)…
slave-an uninvited guest who takes up residence in your home and won’t leave; a thief who decides to stay at your home;
BTW, slavery is against the law in America so you have to just suck it up and let them stay in your home.
I want to puke now.
There is no new definition of slavery. But we use analogy to make a point. No one is saying that undocumented immigrants are the same as slaves. Interestingly, no one has answered my question about what to do with slaves who broke the law by running away. Was it okay for them to break the laws at the time?
This debate is about illegals all but demanding the rights and privileges of citizens, which by definition they do not have. Comparing this to slavery is a straw man at best. Slaves were forcibly taken from their homes and shipped across the sea against their will. Illegals came here of their own free will. The laws are not unjust. The process is slow I grant, but that does not make it unjust. And ricland, having you hand cut off and your eye plucked out was NEVER a punishment in England, especially not for stealing a chicken. Get your fact correct before spouting off please.
The Big 100!
I think most of what needs to be said has been said. Now that the discussion is veering off into ridiculous charges of racism and comparisons to the atrocity of human bondage, I think it’s time to close the thread.
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