I think most of what needs to be said has been said. Now that the discussion is veering off into ridiculous charges of racism and comparisons to the atrocity of human bondage, I think it’s time to close the thread.

Thanks for participating!

slave-an uninvited guest who takes up residence in your home and won’t leave; a thief who decides to stay at your home;

BTW, slavery is against the law in America so you have to just suck it up and let them stay in your home.

I want to puke now.

Another reason why it bugs me is because I meet decent immigrants (some who don’t even have kids) who want to stay here but they can’t. Our country has such low standards! We’re the richest country on earth, but it’s a third world nation waiting to happen.

It is appalling the hypocrisy this fictional debate has generated. The hypocrisy abounds on many levels. For example, some condemn the undocumented immigrants for allegedly breaking the law, but would deny them and documented immigrants the protection of the First Amendment. If you are going to hold people accountable for breaking a law, you must also afford them the protection of the law.

Moreover, most people really don’t know anything about immigration law. What has fueled the fervor has been inflammatory sound bites, not reality. We should understand that people have a inherent desire to survive. If survival requires you to risk your life to save it, then that is something you will do. The United States provides an opportunity for a better life for those who live in economically deprived third world countries. The United States also provides a safe haven for those who live in political undesirable countries (please note that the United States’ immigration laws provide more favorable treatment for Cubans refugees than Haitians refugees). So just like the run-away slaves prior to the civil war, these people are searching for a better life. During the days of slavery, there were many state laws that made it illegal for slaves to run-away. Yet many broke those laws to escape to the north. Query: should those slaves have been sent back to the south where they would have been beaten, subjected to mayhem, or killed? Or if none of those things happened (which is unlikely), placed back into slavery? If you answer no, then why are so many calling for the deportation of undocumented immigrants.

People should ask why now is this issue being placed at the forefront of a national debate. Please don’t tell me it has anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism. Instead, it has everything to do with firing up the conservative base in an election year. For decades, undocumented immigrants have been flooding the United States, including the last six years of Bush’s administration. Yet conveniently, immigration is a hot-button issue this year.

People need to think instead of just reacting sound bites from politicians and the media control. Neither politicians nor the media should control how, when, and what you think. I thought we would have learned those lessons from the Iraq War.

Ahhhh..comparing border jumpers to asylum seekers and refugees. Talk about “fictional debate.” The slavery analogy is nauseating and not similar to border-jumping in the least. Why more blacks aren’t offended by this odious comparison is beyond me. – Admin

You need to take a position and stick with it. You can’t make up stuff as you go because doing so makes us question your orginal stated motives.

The illegals will pull themselves up by their bootstraps, move into good neighborhoods, and finally, piss on blacks the way every other ethnic group has.

And rightly so …

ric

Should we assume were your around at each point in our history you’d have used the same logic you use today to condemn illegals?

Suppose you were around 1000 years ago in England when the punishment for stealing a chicken was to have your hand cut off and one eye plucked out? Should we assume you’d have used the same logic you use today to support this law too?

Please be aware that your type of opposition is nothing new. It’s as old as the pyramids — older.

The law is the will of the people not something handed down from the Mount, and the will of the people changes.

Two hundred years ago it was the will of the people slavery exist. One hundred years later it was not and so the PROCESS that changed that law began. This PROCESS was very similar to what we see happening today with illegal immigration. This Process usually ends with with the underdog winning. Look at Christianity and ancient Rome.

The illegals have the moral high ground here, not you. Your position is no different from the Southern whites who thought blacks had no right to drink from the same water fountain as them because the LAW said they didn’t.

Remember, it was the slave-holder Thomas Jefferson himself, who wrote “in the course of human events…”

He was talking about laws written in England enforced upon the colonists. He called them “unjust” laws. His point wasn’t that all laws were unjust, but that some — like taxation without representation — were.

Make no mistake,. King George and every one of his subjects disagreed. All of them took the position you now take — those colonists are criminal rabble! They have no respect for the law! They need to be put down!

Are our current immigration laws unjust? that’s the question and to answer this question we must answer another: has there been a dramatic change in circumstances since these laws were passed?

For example: When it became clear in the late 1930s that Hitler was sending Jews to the ovens, do you think that was cause to change our immigration laws? Of course you do. Why? because the circumstances had changed. Would you have turned a Jew away before the law was changed? Of course you would not have … then again, maybe you would have

In other words, the only meaningful question here is whether the changed circumstances warrant changing the law. Jingoism, name-calling, lynch-mob mentalities are not the solution; in this George Bush was right.

“In the course of human events …”

As to who I am, you’re welcome to visit my site and watch my videos: blacklogs.com I’m the guy with the wizard cap and sunglasses.

ric

… We aren’t just talking about hard-working people wanting to come here for a better life; as long as the border’s open to them it’s also open to drug runners, jihadis, and other assorted scum. After we get the border under control, using whatever…

What a concept!

Like most of humankind the illegals follow the first law. They want their kids to grow up to be Attorney General instead a $50 a day taxi drivers. Your position is, no! Obeying the law is more important. Obeying the law must be done at all costs. This law is sacred and whomsoever disobeys it is a criminal and has no rights we should honor.

The illegals must accept their plight and with that sccept the fact that their children will never amount to anything. This is their curse they must bear for to not accept thier station in life and break our law is something no decent human being would ever do.

We should suppose, James, that were you born 100 years ago you’d have been as inflexible with women who demanded the vote, and 100 years before that, slaves who demanded their freedom.

Each broke the LAW in their quest for a better life.

In other words, James, the question really boils down to this: is it time for that particular law to be changed (and the fact that the people who broke it would benefit from this change has nothing to do with the question of whether it’s time for a change).

It’s time for the law to be changed and not just because 11 million Mexicans are disobeying it, but because WE are disobeying too. And more compelling still, everyone in this newsgroup– including you, James — would break this law were he a business owner looking to cut costs.

Oh, yes you would.

And there you have it. That’s the profile of a law that needs to be changed — a law everyone starts breaking.

Would you save 40% by using the Mexican auto mechanic? Yes, you would. Would you save $50,000 on a house built by illegal Mexican workers? Yes, you would. Did it ever occur to you that when you take these savings you support the 11 million illegal Mexican work force — people who break the LAW?

It should have.

No, James, the question is not one of law, but one of justice, a notion one clever fellow once wrote, no law should ever abridge.

You are fat, well-fed, have great medical coverage, your children go to wonderful schools, you eat red meat everyday, have a wide-screen television, drive the latest Japanese car and yet cannot fathom why anyone else would want such things. You just can’t fathom it; it makes no sense to you at all.

It would have to your immigrant grandfather, though.

ricland