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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need some help here.  46 (presumably Rich) Young College White Guys, a beer bash, strippers.....and NO CAMCORDERS PRESENT???  What was the name of that bridge you had for sale, again?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need some help here.  46 (presumably Rich) Young College White Guys, a beer bash, strippers&#8230;..and NO CAMCORDERS PRESENT???  What was the name of that bridge you had for sale, again?<br />
Dan&#8217;l</p>
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		<title>By: Don Kosloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Kosloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Kevin Leo (#62)

I have no problem associating with black folk and I am in my right mind.  I have been officially certified sane twice and since I work in a nuclear power plant, I am under regular observation for aberrant behavior as an indication of any possible mental problem.  I have also taken the MMPI twice in addition to the other sanity verifications.  

As for the excellence of black folk, there is a long history of that in the US.  Many people come to mind when I think about that.  The first is my organic chemistry professor at the US Naval Academy, Dr. Massey.  He may be the smartest man I have ever met and he was the most excellent instructor I had at the Academy.  The second and third most excellent instructors were also black, and they had a lot of competition.  One was a naval aviator who taught electrical engineering and the other was a mustang lieutenant who taught military leadership.  I also lived with a while with two black nuclear licensing engineers and have a friend who is a nuclear licensing engineer now after being an NRC-licensed Senior Reactor Operator (SRO).  There no affirmative action in taking the SRO training or in passing the examination for SRO.  Neither is there any affirmative action process involved in hiring licensing engineers.  They are the people who the power plant owners and operators rely on to help them understand the complex regulations and follow them correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Kevin Leo (#62)</p>
<p>I have no problem associating with black folk and I am in my right mind.  I have been officially certified sane twice and since I work in a nuclear power plant, I am under regular observation for aberrant behavior as an indication of any possible mental problem.  I have also taken the MMPI twice in addition to the other sanity verifications.  </p>
<p>As for the excellence of black folk, there is a long history of that in the US.  Many people come to mind when I think about that.  The first is my organic chemistry professor at the US Naval Academy, Dr. Massey.  He may be the smartest man I have ever met and he was the most excellent instructor I had at the Academy.  The second and third most excellent instructors were also black, and they had a lot of competition.  One was a naval aviator who taught electrical engineering and the other was a mustang lieutenant who taught military leadership.  I also lived with a while with two black nuclear licensing engineers and have a friend who is a nuclear licensing engineer now after being an NRC-licensed Senior Reactor Operator (SRO).  There no affirmative action in taking the SRO training or in passing the examination for SRO.  Neither is there any affirmative action process involved in hiring licensing engineers.  They are the people who the power plant owners and operators rely on to help them understand the complex regulations and follow them correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Slurpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slurpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not what I read the other day, but confirming This out tonight:

A woman who claims she was raped by members of Duke University&#039;s lacrosse team was described as &quot;just passed-out drunk&quot; by one of the first police officers to see her, according to a recording of radio traffic obtained Thursday by The Associated Press. 

rest of article at http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-723971.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not what I read the other day, but confirming This out tonight:</p>
<p>A woman who claims she was raped by members of Duke University&#8217;s lacrosse team was described as &#8220;just passed-out drunk&#8221; by one of the first police officers to see her, according to a recording of radio traffic obtained Thursday by The Associated Press. </p>
<p>rest of article at <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-723971.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-723971.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Slurpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slurpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere that the claim of rape was not until the woman was in the back seat of a patrol car. The assumption was that she was on the verge of being charged with something (i.e., public intoxication).  She also didn&#039;t become hysterical until she was at the hospital. I don&#039;t know if this is true or not.

I have been wondering whether or not the nurse in such situation takes a blood sample or something of the alleged victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere that the claim of rape was not until the woman was in the back seat of a patrol car. The assumption was that she was on the verge of being charged with something (i.e., public intoxication).  She also didn&#8217;t become hysterical until she was at the hospital. I don&#8217;t know if this is true or not.</p>
<p>I have been wondering whether or not the nurse in such situation takes a blood sample or something of the alleged victim.</p>
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		<title>By: tawanabrawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>tawanabrawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey i was wondering is it possible this woman could of forgotten her money, and may of gotten in a scuffle with her pimp after they left the house?  To me, if the guys were trying to cover up something, they would of not left the fingernails and purse just laying there in the bathroom for police to find.

No rape took place at that house, I am convinced of that.

&lt;em&gt;Welcome, dearie! - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey i was wondering is it possible this woman could of forgotten her money, and may of gotten in a scuffle with her pimp after they left the house?  To me, if the guys were trying to cover up something, they would of not left the fingernails and purse just laying there in the bathroom for police to find.</p>
<p>No rape took place at that house, I am convinced of that.</p>
<p><em>Welcome, dearie! &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black society has more to lose than white society with stunts like this one.  What white person in their right mind would associate with a black person ever again in such a racially charged society??  We need to lift our black folk in greater numbers into excellence in all areas of society.  We can not do it with racial antagonism (save for affirmative action--yuk!) against the very people we need to work with! Don&#039;t tell me that whites have a monopoly on reason, good judgement, restraint, intelligence, good manners and grace!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black society has more to lose than white society with stunts like this one.  What white person in their right mind would associate with a black person ever again in such a racially charged society??  We need to lift our black folk in greater numbers into excellence in all areas of society.  We can not do it with racial antagonism (save for affirmative action&#8211;yuk!) against the very people we need to work with! Don&#8217;t tell me that whites have a monopoly on reason, good judgement, restraint, intelligence, good manners and grace!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White and rich question: Of course not, but that is and will remain the perception. It boosts the class envy angle.

I presume she was examined at the hospital. Check this doc:  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke4.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White and rich question: Of course not, but that is and will remain the perception. It boosts the class envy angle.</p>
<p>I presume she was examined at the hospital. Check this doc:  <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke4.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke4.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: If your a white male and you attend Duke are you rich? Everyone refers to these kids as rich. I still need some facts. This woman was examined at the hospital correct? Someone reported that her vaginal injuries are consistent with a rape. Was that a fact or sis it come from the grapevine?.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: If your a white male and you attend Duke are you rich? Everyone refers to these kids as rich. I still need some facts. This woman was examined at the hospital correct? Someone reported that her vaginal injuries are consistent with a rape. Was that a fact or sis it come from the grapevine?.</p>
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		<title>By: SYates</title>
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		<dc:creator>SYates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A complex situation, once the press and political machines are included. However, at its core the story seems pretty straight forward, particularly since based on DNA evidence none of the players had sex with her. (And anyone who says the players have traded their good reputations to salvage some unidentified visitor...JJ perhaps..is an idiot).

Stripping, like prostitution is all about money. So, follow the money. Where did it end up? At the house. What does that mean? She wasted a lot of time, energy and aggravation and didn&#039;t even get paid.

So, high as a kite she leaves the house, smiling for the camera,as we have been told now by the attorneys. No anger or malice.

A little while later, less drunk, more angry and now crashing she gets pissed about losing her cell phone and cash and decides to get even with those rich punks..Ill say they raped me. 

Not something she would do if sober. But she was not sober. How many people following this party said &quot;How could I have been so stupid&quot;. The only good news is no one died. The bad news is a lot of people&#039;s reputations, the accusers included, have been destroyed.

How could the women and players have been so stupid? Easy,they were all drunk, young, and (in their minds) indestructible. 

The more important questions is how the the police and prosecutors could have been so stupid...they were at least sober and older and working in their professional capacities and should have known better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A complex situation, once the press and political machines are included. However, at its core the story seems pretty straight forward, particularly since based on DNA evidence none of the players had sex with her. (And anyone who says the players have traded their good reputations to salvage some unidentified visitor&#8230;JJ perhaps..is an idiot).</p>
<p>Stripping, like prostitution is all about money. So, follow the money. Where did it end up? At the house. What does that mean? She wasted a lot of time, energy and aggravation and didn&#8217;t even get paid.</p>
<p>So, high as a kite she leaves the house, smiling for the camera,as we have been told now by the attorneys. No anger or malice.</p>
<p>A little while later, less drunk, more angry and now crashing she gets pissed about losing her cell phone and cash and decides to get even with those rich punks..Ill say they raped me. </p>
<p>Not something she would do if sober. But she was not sober. How many people following this party said &#8220;How could I have been so stupid&#8221;. The only good news is no one died. The bad news is a lot of people&#8217;s reputations, the accusers included, have been destroyed.</p>
<p>How could the women and players have been so stupid? Easy,they were all drunk, young, and (in their minds) indestructible. </p>
<p>The more important questions is how the the police and prosecutors could have been so stupid&#8230;they were at least sober and older and working in their professional capacities and should have known better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh all the posters here.  Ellen is the only one I&#039;ve read that doesn&#039;t have an undertone.  Majority of you have your views, which you are entitled to, but you make so broad and biased comments borderline on bigotry.  I agree with you Ellen.  The DA did screw things up and that an assault did occur, maybe not by the LAX players.

Here&#039;s a link to a story on the Raleigh Newspaper.  It also has a streaming clip of the forum held at NCCU&#039;s campus.  There are some interesting comments.  There are also some glaring holes in the DA reasoning of why they are only presuming the LAX players. 


http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427860.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh all the posters here.  Ellen is the only one I&#8217;ve read that doesn&#8217;t have an undertone.  Majority of you have your views, which you are entitled to, but you make so broad and biased comments borderline on bigotry.  I agree with you Ellen.  The DA did screw things up and that an assault did occur, maybe not by the LAX players.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to a story on the Raleigh Newspaper.  It also has a streaming clip of the forum held at NCCU&#8217;s campus.  There are some interesting comments.  There are also some glaring holes in the DA reasoning of why they are only presuming the LAX players. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427860.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427860.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen writes: &quot;Sexual access to a willing woman does not prevent a man from being rapist. It is a different desire. Some married men have been convicted of rape. Teddy Bundy had girl friends when he was out raping and killing female coeds.&quot;

Under this philosophy, rape is reduced to a case of &quot;was there penetration with permission.&quot; But the &quot;willing woman&quot; concept clouds the issue. 

I carry no brief for the brutal act of rape. But complicated situations resulting from miscommunication in the midst of foreplay conducted by a professional, paid foreplay specialist is something entirely different from nasty, vicious, terrifying rape.

I seriously doubt that whatever happened to this stripper and mother or two will cause her to change her lifestyle. I am not a fan of the &quot;boys will be boys&quot; school of thought, but a professional hormone exciter is a bit beyond stupid in my book. I don&#039;t think that she deserves what she (possibly) got, but I think her claim of &quot;rape&quot; is real cheap shot at a deadly serious felony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen writes: &#8220;Sexual access to a willing woman does not prevent a man from being rapist. It is a different desire. Some married men have been convicted of rape. Teddy Bundy had girl friends when he was out raping and killing female coeds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Under this philosophy, rape is reduced to a case of &#8220;was there penetration with permission.&#8221; But the &#8220;willing woman&#8221; concept clouds the issue. </p>
<p>I carry no brief for the brutal act of rape. But complicated situations resulting from miscommunication in the midst of foreplay conducted by a professional, paid foreplay specialist is something entirely different from nasty, vicious, terrifying rape.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that whatever happened to this stripper and mother or two will cause her to change her lifestyle. I am not a fan of the &#8220;boys will be boys&#8221; school of thought, but a professional hormone exciter is a bit beyond stupid in my book. I don&#8217;t think that she deserves what she (possibly) got, but I think her claim of &#8220;rape&#8221; is real cheap shot at a deadly serious felony.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian MacD.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen, if a rape occured, it is likey from the evidence presented so far that it was before the party, not during or after.  If it was someone at the party and not one of the players, why have none of them come forward to clear their names and have the shame and guilt focused on someone other than themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen, if a rape occured, it is likey from the evidence presented so far that it was before the party, not during or after.  If it was someone at the party and not one of the players, why have none of them come forward to clear their names and have the shame and guilt focused on someone other than themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: BlogWonks</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlogWonks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn Barber</description>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No DNA match with any of the alleged perpetrators. You have to wonder if someone is pulling the DA&#039;s strings on this.

La Shawn, I don&#039;t see Duke filing a countersuit under any circumstances. This is a university that prides itself as being more-liberal-than-thou.

In fact I would not be surprised to see some faculty members and students claiming that this incident represents the tip of the iceberg and that Duke is actually some kind of KKK headquarters. Not only would they get fawning uncritical attention from the MSM (the fact that NC was a &quot;red&quot; state in the last election would be mentioned in every other sentence), they could shake the administration down for &quot;compensation&quot; in the form of funds for whatever hokum they could cook up. A shakedown, in other words, and Duke would pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No DNA match with any of the alleged perpetrators. You have to wonder if someone is pulling the DA&#8217;s strings on this.</p>
<p>La Shawn, I don&#8217;t see Duke filing a countersuit under any circumstances. This is a university that prides itself as being more-liberal-than-thou.</p>
<p>In fact I would not be surprised to see some faculty members and students claiming that this incident represents the tip of the iceberg and that Duke is actually some kind of KKK headquarters. Not only would they get fawning uncritical attention from the MSM (the fact that NC was a &#8220;red&#8221; state in the last election would be mentioned in every other sentence), they could shake the administration down for &#8220;compensation&#8221; in the form of funds for whatever hokum they could cook up. A shakedown, in other words, and Duke would pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Slurpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slurpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 comments:

1.  htom asked about the &quot;vile email&quot;:

I read on a blog (some Baltimore journalist) today that the &quot;vile email&quot; was a take off of the Bateman character in the movie &quot;American Psycho&quot;, which evidently had cultish status with a few players.  If you have seen the movie and read the entire email, including the part omitted by every paper (&quot;while cuming in my Duke issue spandex&quot;), this explanation is plausible. sorry no wifi answer 

2.  Pepster wrote: &quot;Charlie Sheen, is an example that comes to mind. He certainly has at least as much access to casual sex as a Duke Lacrosse player yet still hired Heidi Fleissâ€™ employees&quot;

Charlie Sheen was quoted as saying that everyone had it backwards, he paid for Fliess&#039; women so they would leave after sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 comments:</p>
<p>1.  htom asked about the &#8220;vile email&#8221;:</p>
<p>I read on a blog (some Baltimore journalist) today that the &#8220;vile email&#8221; was a take off of the Bateman character in the movie &#8220;American Psycho&#8221;, which evidently had cultish status with a few players.  If you have seen the movie and read the entire email, including the part omitted by every paper (&#8221;while cuming in my Duke issue spandex&#8221;), this explanation is plausible. sorry no wifi answer </p>
<p>2.  Pepster wrote: &#8220;Charlie Sheen, is an example that comes to mind. He certainly has at least as much access to casual sex as a Duke Lacrosse player yet still hired Heidi Fleissâ€™ employees&#8221;</p>
<p>Charlie Sheen was quoted as saying that everyone had it backwards, he paid for Fliess&#8217; women so they would leave after sex.</p>
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