Saturday, May 13: Lo and behold, there’s a DNA connection between the stripper and her “boyfriend” and none between her and the three men who supposedly brutally raped, sodomized, and beat her. What a stunning feat! This post is closed. Discuss the new evidence here.
Update V (5/11): So we waited patiently for the second round of DNA testing, and all we get is a possible or “partial match” between the stripper and a phantom “third suspect”? OK. We’ll play along. Is there still no DNA link between the stripper and the two men who were indicted for the crime? What about the broom? Is this new evidence his strongest?
The hearing on May 18, my friends, is the main event. Nifong will have to show his hand. Any poker players in the audience?
Consider this: The DNA was found on one of the stripper’s fake nails, which was found in the bathroom trashcan. With a bunch of young, unattached, partying, testosterone-filled men sharing a bathroom, I won’t even try to guess what else was in the garbage. So male DNA “possibly” matching one of the 46 players was found on the discarded nail, and this is why Nifong is going forward with the case? My seven-year-old nephew could figure this out. 
Update IV (5/10 @ 8:39 p.m.): So the Duke stripper identified four men? I can’t wait to see how all this plays out. I predict that most of Nifong’s “evidence” will be suppressed.
Update III (5/10): May 18 hearing set in Duke rape case.
Update II: Durham City Manager Patrick Baker valiantly defends his city’s police force and sets the record straight.
I just hope he realizes that race baiters and opportunists who write waste-of-time-and-money grievance-hunting reports, disgruntled liberals, radical feminists, covetous types, and other flame-throwers aren’t interested in what’s true or false. All that matters now is how to get the most mileage (shakedowns, skin color preferences, media coverage, book deals, etc.) out of this nasty mess.
Paul at Power Line writes:
A report commissioned by the president of Duke University concluded that the university “underestimated” the rape allegations against members of the lacrosse team in part because the Durham police intially said that the accuser “kept changing her story and was not credible.” … To say that Duke underestimated the rape allegations is one way of putting it. However, given the statements by the police about the accuser’s conflicting stories, one might just as easily say that Duke is overestimating them now.
Indeed. By the way, the Power Line guys improved their news site. It loads faster and includes video feeds.
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Everybody has an agenda. Some agendas are objectively good; others reek.
The more we learn about the alleged rape in Durham, North Carolina, the more implausible it seems to everyone but politically invested DA Mike Nifong. Get this. The Duke stripper initially claimed she was raped by 20 white men, then changed it to three. That’s important. It tends to cast doubt on her veracity, and the police were right to disbelieve her.
This info was gleaned from a report commissioned by Duke University’s effete, politically correct (that may be redundant), and scared president. The authors of the report are Julius Chambers (pictured right), a “civil rights” attorney and former chancellor at the black college attended by the stripper, and William Bowen (pictured below left), co-author of Shape of the River, a book singing the praises of skin color privileges for black people. No biases and presuppositions there, right?
Instead of headlining the 20-men-raped-me claim, newspapers and their web sites prefer these nuggets: “Duke University response to rape allegations was too slow,” “Durham police downplayed allegations,” “Duke faulted in rape case.”
The point of the initial 20-men allegation, given that we now know DNA testing failed to connect any of the 46 white players to the accuser, is the complete and total outrageousness of the claim, not the police officers’ response to it. If the stripper exaggerated about how many men raped her, what else was she exaggerating or lying about? It was perfectly reasonable for the police to have doubted her claim, especially if they routinely deal with rape claims that turn out to be false.
But forget that. There’s something else particularly vomit-inducing and irrelevant in the report:
Brodhead [Duke's scared president] and others did not learn about the racial aspects of the case until March 24 “a gap in communications that is extraordinary,” the report concluded…The report said Duke’s response was also limited by its lack of diversity in senior management; Brodhead and his core advisers are almost all white men.
The case may have been handled better “if a wide array of life histories and perspectives had been brought to bear on what were sensitive and highly charges issues,” the report said.
Why, I ask in a most humble manner, is it significant that the president and his cronies didn’t learn of the “racial aspects” of the case right away? How would it have changed how they conducted the investigation?
And where, I ask while diligently suppressing rage, is the evidence that skin color diversity is somehow correlated with or connected to how well “senior management” handles such cases? I need to get a copy of that report. There’s always the possibility that the left-leaning mainstream media are misreporting the findings. It’s also possible that the New York Knicks will win another championship in my lifetime.
[Update @ 2:36 p.m.: I found the report in the last place I looked: Duke's web site. I just realized a commenter linked to it yesterday, too. Yeah, I'm a little slow. Anyway, Let us read it together (PDF)]
As you ponder those questions, I’ll wrap it up. Knowing that I’ll probably get more hate mail for this, I’ll say it anyway. That stripper is one twisted sister. She needs a less destructive outlet for her gang-rape fantasies. Perhaps she should write romance novels or ask her publicist to get her a spot on one of those brain cell-killing reality shows.
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I agree that race should not be a factor in a rape case. Of course in this day and time, it shouldn’t be a factor in anything. But, if it weren’t, the media would have one less thing to keep people stirred up over, because heaven forbid they report any good in the world.
Shame those boys were from up North so they couldn’t really play the Southern Racist Redneck card.
There are some out there that are dying to exploit this case for the reasons of race.
I saw on the internet, that there was an article generated about how this case conjures up the fears of black women being raped by white men. I can see the writer of this article just foaming at the mouth to bring up something that he/she themselves never ever lived.
So the media keeps the race part of this case more alive, and the black liberals look for something to chew on, to bring up race in this case.
It’s funny to me, how the people who say they fight for peace and equality seem to always be the ones who stir up problems…
hmmmmmmm…..
Black liberals, generally speaking, don’t want racial equality (of outcome) because they know there’s no such thing. They want racial spoils.
What, because they are white, that means they didn’t know how to handle rape allegations? Are they claiming that white people are all inherently evil and racist?? As if the paleness of a person’s skin some how impairs their sensibilities???
I have really tried to hold my comments about this whole debacle, because that’s what it really is….a debacle.
The young woman is extremely suspect though I will admit at most I was extremely biased in her favor at first. I do believe something happened, I just don’t think it was a rape.
I guess my one observation throughout this whole thing is this: There has been a great hue and cry about how she’s ruined these young men’s lives and all of that but would these same folks have had the same hue and cry if the situation were reversed and it had been black frat boys from NCCU accused of raping a white stripper??
Tiffany, Yes. The cry would have been louder and more persistant. And it probably would have been raised a lot earlier than this. Not only that, but the MSM would actually be covering it.
The case may have been handled better “if a wide array of life histories and perspectives had been brought to bear on what were sensitive and highly charged issues,†the report said.
Of course: all white men think alike because all white men have basically the same personal histories and perspectives.
Another fine example of theory trumping reality.
I agree with you Jewels, but not probably for the same reasoning.
Such a report is what passes for an intelligent, objective assessment, Kevin. I think all these cell phones are making people dumber.
Pres. Brodhead and company can be faulted for abandoning the lax students in not urging all of Duke (students and employees) to register and vote.
Pres. B talks about “teaching opportunities” but gave no advice (directly or through public affairs, or faculty, or trustees-elect) to join the community by voting.
Duke has about 30,000 eligible to vote (students and employees). Total turnout for the Nifong election was about 22,000 (from Durham as a whole). The election was decided by less than 1200 votes.
Why is it not good leadership and good teaching to remind folks to vote for who they will have as their DA, when they have an opportunity to do so?
Students registering at home but not in NC should be advised that, for the good of town/gown relations, Duke would rather see them registered in Durham, at least while attending at Durham for 9 of 12 months per year.
Registration takes what, an hour? Voting by absentee ballot is fine when the exams are underway, as I understand the rules, so condoning apathy without asking students to vote was the wrong call. Pres. B should learn from the Black Panthers – at least they got past apathy, and may have secured Nifong’s election.
Voting apathy at Duke may explain why UNC-CH has better town-gown relations than Duke.
Otherwise, I think Pres. B has done a pretty good job.
Firing the lax coach was a close call, but not clearly wrong. Same with suspending the writer of the foul email – close, not obviously wrong.
The main problem with the Chambers-Bowen report is that it fails to timeline the activities of the DA or the in-house counsel at Duke. Making decisions as to the seriousness of DA without having Duke counsel talking to the DA made no sense. Pres. B only had his student affairs manager talking to cops, who gave wrong signals.
I agree that the report’s suggestion that race should have come up sooner in the discussions and that Duke should have more blacks in upper management is questionable at best.
I put 90% of the fault at the feet of Nifong, who seems to have grossly misread a spurious complaint of rape.
Lashawn, why are you supressing rage?
All you can do is laugh…
I find this all very funny, not the actual rape case, but the goings on of all the outside players involved.
Dont you just hate it when white people get cowered into thinking they have to bow to black people’s “demands” anytime there’s a “race” issue such as this.
Everyone up there knows that she’s lying. All the black folk are just upset because those white guys didnt get immediately arrested after the crazy allegations were made. Its all about that. I dont think they care if a rape actually occured or if she’s telling the truth. They keep saying, “Well if it was a white girl at Central…..”
I say, “So what, who cares…life aint fair, deal with it.”
They need some black people to go up there and say that.
You wanna go? Might not make it back….
First, hats off to you, LaShawn, for categorizing this as Comedy. So sad, but so true.
I am bothered by the suggestion that the alleged victim would have initially received a more rigorous investigation if it had been known by University administrators that she was black. Is this reverse discrimination? This intimates that somehow the black accuser has a greater need for protection by the administration. Maybe she’s not intelligent enough to actively assist investigators. Perhaps she needs protection from racist, corrupt cops who will refuse to follow up because she must be lying because white men never rape black women. Possibly it’s because she’s too meek to ever accuse any white person of any wrong done to her all because of her skin color.
Yup, I understand why you’re upset, LaShawn.
Well if it were some black boys that mistreated a white stripper/prostitute from Duke University, I don’t think that we would find as much hype in the media on the issue.
I think for the most part, we all know that black men rape across race lines more than white men do.
But there other dynamic here is the overwhelming coverage of white female victims in the media. I am sorry but while this AV in the Duke case has a bad past, but I saw the same things in Natalie Hollaway and the Immette St. Guillen who were clearly victims but also contributed in some way in their own demise. But we get years of heavy dosage of these cases, that drives nuts…
But right now, we find the extreme left exploiting this case for everything they can get.
Black liberals
Feminists
Lawyers
Media
This case is also fueled by liberal blacks who want to bring everyone back to the race debate of slavery, feminist who are hoping to bring the attention to the public the issue of rape, and then you have those who want to bring attention of the problem of false rape allegations.
That is why this case is so important, because each side feels they have something to gain or lose based on how this case turns out.
Many blacks feel that their credibility is at stake. Feminists feel that the issue of rape may move to the back burner to some more important issues, so they are worried about their social funding…
Lets be honest….many are out there looking to exploit this case for some reason.
Who wants to talk about white men who rape black women?
That in itself is the most taboo part of our society, is when a white man takes advantage of a black woman. We all know it is rare, but by looking at this case you would think that it happens every day.
But this is what we have become!!
“I think for the most part, we all know that black men rape across race lines more than white men do.”
Are there statistics to back this point up? Just curious, because I didn’t know that.
LaShawn posted something about it not too far back. Most rapes on white-on-white or black-on-black it seems.
tvd – I don’t have a link to back this up, but I believe that DOJ statistics show that about 15% of rapes of white women are by black men, but approximately 0% (a statistically insignificant number) of rapes of black women are by white men. That’s part of what makes this whole case so curious. Whatever happened between white men and black women 135 years ago isn’t happening today and hasn’t for many years. So why are so many people so anxious to believe that these white boys raped this black girl? What fantasy are they imagining and why?
Based on raw numbers, you have an equal or greater number of white on black rapes. There a greater ratio with regards to black men but the fact that black men are also falsly accused of raping white women at a much higher rate than the reverse may play a role in this.
Interesting comment Shade…
I still say a rape is a rape…i dont care what color does it to whatever color. Puts too much emphasis on that color aspect of the alleged crime and not on the fact that it was possibly a rape. Thats like saying, “guys with beards seem to be raping women more than guys without beards”
It sounds that stupid. Color has nothing to do with it.
I think this case would be talked about a great deal even if the accuser was white, just because it was at Duke. The race issue is why we are talking about it here. We definitely wouldnt be talking about it at this blog tho, since race is involved, if it were a white woman.
Here’s a link to the Department of Justice statistical breakdown of single offender crimes and race of victims/perpetrators for 2003:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0342.pdf
In summary, it indicates that of 24,010 rapes/sexual assaults reported against black victims, somewhere between 0 and 120 were committed by white offenders, or 0% after rounding. 87.9% of black victims reported a black assailant, with the remainder racially classified as “Other” or “Not Known & Not Available.” Among white victims, the total number of rapes/sexual assaults committed by black assailants was approximately 20,300 or 15.5% of the total. White victims were assaulted by white assailants 57.9% of the time, and by members of “Other” races 19.8% of the time. All told, black assailants were reported in 26.7% of all rapes reported against both black and white victims.
La Shawn, thanks again for keeping this the rage alive. Let’s not forget this is Broadhead’s FIRST year at Duke. Former dean of students at Yale, he is known for his PC petigree. He took over from a lesbian who everyone just got tired of. His lack of support for the students and the University is NOT going over well. This is NOT Yale, the board of trustees are mostly Southerners and the Duke endowment is HQed in Charlotte. New Haven liberal are not welcome here and Broadhead is probably not going to last VERY long. We have LONG knives, and Southerners smile and nod, and cut you in your sleep. Wait, this … will not be here much longer, if he doesn’t start standing up for his students and not NCCU’s Hookers. sorry about sps, spell check does not work on your site, or my computer. Keep up the fire. THIS story is a winner. Remember what I said earlier, over May 15th. DISMISSED. If not then B head is in DEEP DO DO. I think he knows this is going down and he is just mau mau ing the Black liberals. Just a guess. Kemp
Change your computer’s settings to allow pop ups. That ought to do it. And by the way, I’m a Southerner through and through, and I’m no smiling stabber.
– Admin
Interesting that the table doesn’t have White/Black rapist/”Other” victims.
I’m coming to this new…don’t the Duke players have prior records? I could be mistaken, but I think I’ve heard that.
“So why are so many people so anxious to believe that these white boys raped this black girl?”
If they have prior records and are criminals, that might explain something–particularly if they are violent crimes.
Since you are “coming to this new,” why not read the related posts I wrote and linked to? Many, if not all, of your questions have been asked and answered. No need to reinvent the microchip. – Admin
Misnomer obviously, try to compose yourself not to be so petty.
The black stripper has serious character flaws judging by her criminal pass:
• Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
• Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998
• Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:
• First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom
o The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
o Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.
o She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.
o The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed†to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
o She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.
• The 2nd stripper stated that she doubted that a rape occurred, but changed her story after given a deal by DA Nifong, then contact a PR firm to “spin this scandal to her advantage.â€
The black stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.
Aww, crap La Shawn! I want to keep every black rape accuser taken utterly seriously at the opening notification. I want all hell’s bells to break loose in testing and investigate any bruised up person showing up claiming a crime was done to them!
But, for gosh’s sake, the last thing anyone should look for is people denying the truth as stated facts in the 1st 24 hours hours which have the Whores accusing the Scottsboro Boys or Tawana Brawley shown as race-baiting liars……
I prefer at that stage, 24-48 hours later, to let authorities sort things out. But initial lies regardless of “race politics” should not be let stand if truth is in opposition to agenda….And it is clear Duke blew it by presuming “white oppressor” guilt and formally punishing all those in a sport without getting “their side”.
And with the report, deferring to 3 racial victimhood proponents to write it, who essentially said, regardless of the truth, Duke reacted “too slowly” to “racial allegations” – and the “cure” is somehow to let more “Senior Appointed People Of Diversity”, such as the African-Americans in charge of the report – to run Duke.
What a surprise!
Who could ever predicted the race card would end up supporting the 3 race pimps on Duke’s “Victim Rape Investigation team”???
The only problem is as they accuse the police of “not believing the stripper” and thus making it “worse for everybody”, truth falls victim to all the stuff the PC “investigators” ignored. I would like to have an apparant victim of any sort given initial credibility….but when an hispanic gang member who claims a black rival must be hunted down by cops and destroyed because “Eduarto Died” by blacks spattering brains…but investigation shows it’s not true..then people have to stop the BS or be caught in it.
While keeping my mind open, events following the accusers rape charges do to seem to be going the Tawana Route.
“Her one lie destroyed innocent boys.”
One of whom is on trial for assault.
“One of whom is on trial for assault.”
Well, he was sitting in a bar when someone approached him and asked him if he was gay
(or, made a pass at him?). At any rate angry
words ensued and the bartender told them to “take it outside”.
“Outside”, the questioner got punched.
I don’t go to bars and don’t approve of bar fights;
but if this had been a case of a woman rejecting a pass, maybe this wouldn’t even be brought up?
The student in question was given a citation–like a traffic ticket–and told that if he kept his nose clean for the next six months it would disappear from the records.
Thus far he kept his nose clean (and maybe–nice irony–that’s why he wasn’t at the house that night?). But once the rape accusation broke,
the DC authorities (who must have empty courtrooms and lots of time on their hands) decided to call him back and threaten him (no presumption of innocence) and place him under tighter restrictions, with a follow-up hearing to come later.
Sic semper ‘justice in America’ . . .
“but if this had been a case of a woman rejecting a pass, maybe this wouldn’t even be brought up?”
Rejecting a pass is fine and legal. Beating someone up for making a pass is not. Not that this indicates a predilection towards violence, but it’s not like the kid had some sterling, innocent reputation beforehand.
He also violated the terms of the agreement he had with the D.C. court–bad judgment.
Hey! I read romance novels, but don’t have gang-rape fantasy’s. Seriously, I tried to give the woman the benefit of a doubt in the beginning, I can’t and DON’T want to imagine what it’s like to be raped, but it seems a no-brainer that this case will just fade away after the election is over regardless of who wins.
There won’t be any dramatic apologies from the race-baiter’s who scurried to the scene, they’ll move on to the next crime scene. Who knows? maybe next time it might even be a true. They can always hope.
” Not that this indicates a predilection towards violence, but it’s not like the kid had some sterling, innocent reputation beforehand.”
Well, I’m not the Vatican, and I’m not considering him for canonization
But neither does being a sinner make him a rapist…
“He also violated the terms of the agreement he had with the D.C. court–bad judgment.”
How? If he was sitting in a Mexican restaurant eating dinner while the guys at the house were watching strippers, how does that violate the agreement? Unless being the victim of a false
accustaion violates it?
As noted by the asterisk, the DOJ estimates on all black rapists and specifically whites who rape blacks is based on 10 or fewer sample cases and includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault. The sample is too small for conclusion.
What really bothers me is this fake rape charge is such an insult to the real women out there that get raped or assaulted. It is clear greed was her motivation and the sooner she gets charged with a crime the sooner this story will end. And lets face it these charges will follow these men for many many years.
“How? If he was sitting in a Mexican restaurant eating dinner while the guys at the house were watching strippers, how does that violate the agreement? Unless being the victim of a false accustaion violates it?”
If that’s all he was doing, of course not. But the fact is that he was arrested for a felony. An arrest doesn’t seem to constitute keeping one’s nose clean. If the allegations are false (as most folks here think, and there’s some support for that in what we’ve seen to date), then he’s fine. In terms of the DC judge, it wouldn’t make logical sense to have an agreement like the sort with the DC judge only kick in on a conviction as opposed to an arrest, because if you’re convicted, you have other things to worry about.
Errr… tvd, I think you might be guilty of a little circular reasoning there.
What else would constitute a breach of an agreement to keep one’s nose clean, if not an arrest?
The whole point is that he wasn’t there, as the evidence will show. The arrest is spurious, and therefore so too is the “breach of agreement”.
I watched the Abrams Report on 5/9 and he interviewed the former Princeton person who did not seem to think that there was a substantial difference between being raped by 20 people as opposed to three. Since you probably do not believe anyone could be so dumb, please check the show’s tape or transcript. so much for the credibility of the report.
I made the edit, but next time, ease up on the CAPS. – Admin
The administrators at Duke University need to issue a clarification of what they meant at the beginning of their recent report. They appear to be saying that they were initially not concerned because a white woman had accused three Duke students of raping her. Then they say that they would have been concerned if they had known that a black woman had accused three Duke students of raping her. I am hoping that there was some composing error in that stated position. I cannot understand why they would have had the slightest variation in their response based on the skin color of the female accuser. I am really hoping that there was some composition problem in preparing the statement, because as it is written it is a crime against women just by its existence as a document presented to the public. I don’t understand how a group of intelligent people could have composed and reviewed that document without realizing that it needed to be immediately burned and a clearer verson written. If the document accurately states what the writers and reviewers actually believed, they should be fired and never allowed to work at any educational institution.
“As noted by the asterisk, the DOJ estimates on all black rapists and specifically whites who rape blacks is based on 10 or fewer sample cases and includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault. The sample is too small for conclusion.”
Comment by Shade — 05.10.06 @ 10:46 am
Shade, I think you’ve misinterpreted the report. In particular, there is no reason to believe that the sample size was too small. What the asterisks actually mean is that for each datum so marked there were 10 or fewer instances for that category included among the larger sample. For the specific category of rape/sexual assault with a black victim and white attacker, as an example, there might well not have been a single instance included in the sample. Moreover, the sample size could have been several hundred or more. Assuming each instance had been randomly drawn, this could well be a large enough sample upon which to draw important conclusions about the population. Frankly, this being a DOJ report, I’ve got to believe this to be the case.
With that understanding, the important thing to ask is “What, if anything, do the data tell us?” In the case of white on black rape, the implication is crystal clear — such assaults are extremely RARE. They presumably occur, but it’s very difficult to precisely quantify their relative frequency without resort to exhaustive examination of the entire population. This does NOT invalidate our overall conclusion, however. It just makes for a wider predictive confidence window. Anyway, is it really that important to know whether 1 black rape victim in 150 faces a white attacker rather than 1 black victim in 1000, or 1 in 10,000? I tend to think not. Suffice it to say that though brutal and horrific in each instance, white on black rape likely occurs among the general population with somewhat less frequency than claims of alien abduction. An epidemic it is NOT.
Next Monday will be interesting nevertheless. A lot of people are hoping for either an acquittal or new charges. I really don’t expect either. I believe this case will not go to trial, because the “victim” refuses to testify, giving the DA an easy out. As I wrote on an earlier post, people are being too hard on the DA. Durham is always a racial powder keg. I like to believe that us Durhamites like playing our racial games out in the open, not behind closed doors or through innuendos. The DA would have been dragged through this town by the racial lynch mob if he did not appear to aggressively pursue the case. He wanted to keep his day job!
All fired is a good option for these Duke non leaders
Re the comment by Back gal, what is the stripper’s 1998 false report of kidnapping you reference? I’ve been following this story closely and haven’t seen that one.
Well in the news this morning is that they have found some kind of DNA undr the fingernail of one of th suspect on one of the press on fingernails of the AV.
BUt its not 100% conclusive.
Things put out in the media like this, only maks this case stay in the media longer than it should.
This must be the DA’s bombshell….?
He needsto do a SouthWest.com commercial…
“Want to get away?”
They have a bit of DNA found on ONE fingernail in the trash. It is a partial match and can not be connected to any player with “near certainty”. Yet, all the news outlets act as if this some damning new evidence against the players. This is getting scary. Are we to believe that during the struggle she used only ONE fingernail to scratch the men who were supposedly beating, raping and sodomizing her? The accuser changes her story to police, apparently several times, and that is NOT supposed to affect her credibility. The alibi cabbie gets picked by police up for some unusual reasons and he says he was held for some incident that happened several years ago. He says that he was asked if he had anything “new” to tell the police. He was held on bond and then released on bond. As I said, this is truly getting scary. The clowns are running the circus and no one seems to notice!!!!
Yes Belle, it seems to me that what is mostly scary about this case is that they are going to find a case even when one is not there.
What they did to the cabbie was arrest him to expose him. So that hurts his testimony in the case. They dirty him up a bit to try and make his credibility equal to that of the witnesses for the prosecution.
This so-called new DNA evidence is not new, but the media will play it, as if it is something new.
I am watching very closely how far this DA is going to take this case, becuz it is showing me just how justice or injustice works in our country.
SteveDinMD
Researchers have admitted that the sample size is too small for to make any conclusion. And black on white rape is likewise not an epidemic since the overwhelming majority of black men never rape anyone and those few who do overwhelmingly rape black women.
Keep up the good work La Shawn, I come here for all my info on the alleged rape.
I just read some excerpts from the lineup transcripts, in which the accuser “identifies” the players who she claims assaulted her. You, know it is amazing that the accuser has such a remarkable memory! She was in the house for just the few minutes she was “dancing” and she can recall at least seventeen players. Not only that, but she remembers what they were wearing and where they were standing and what they were saying!!!! All this in just a few minutes of dancing and even after having alcoholic drinks (some claimed they were spiked) and being traumatically raped, sodomized and beaten. I couldn’t even tell you who waited on me at the grocery store yesterday. This is truly one for the textbooks!
Strippers have that ability.
One sad but disturbing comment that the other… made in an interview was, “if we’re wrong about the guys who were charged, well…sorry guys!”
The story of the taxi driver being arrested is very disturbing. It looks like witness intimidation, and I hope the State of North Carolina AG’s office is carefully monitoring the antics of Team Nifong.
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/438305.html
From the story, it appears that Mr. Elmostafa was only guilty of driving a person that he didn’t know who turned out to be a shoplifter 2 1/2 years ago and he cooperated with store security in finding and nailing the shoplifter. For that, or more accurately, being a citizen who willingly stepped forward and said what he knew in the Duke rape case, he was arrested and held in jail for 5 hours yesterday.
This follows the arrest of another defense witness, a Duke player, not implicated in the case on an old noise violation charge.
Interesting the defense lawyers have not raised hell – I think, unfortunately for Melostafa and the lacrosse player arrested – they are giving “Team Nifong” more rope to hang themselves with.
The DNA “evidence” sounds a little suspect, coming from a fake fingernail found in a trash can 2-3 days later. And other contents of the trash can were not tested, it seems, to rule out DNA cross contamination…if a Duke jock barfed in the can, blew his bose into a tissue and tossed it in the can…where it came in contact with the fingermail..Or 20 other scenarios, including the strippers scenario that she did scratch. And the sample appears to be deteriorated, not a full match. Well, more to follow, obviously.
And Durham police explained that the reason it took them 2 days to get a search of the house was that it took 31 hours after the stripper charged rape to get a signed statement from her. 31 hours?
I see where she now says there may be a fouth player involved. With her memory ability for detail, you would think she would get that straight. LaShawn, I do think someone needs to investigate what is going on down there in the DA office.
Tawanabrawley has hit the nail on the head:
He needs to do a SouthWest.com commercial…
“Want to get away?â€
Guffaw!
I concur that Nifong is looking more and more like a bonehead.
Not sure the person replaced by Brodhead was a lesbian – she is married to a man. She is Nan Keohane. She went with her husband to Princeton after Duke, I believe. She did a great job at Duke bringing in donations – building up endowment, building reputation of Duke in the academic area.
What matters for Brodhead is not so much how he sells in Charlotte, as opposed to how he sells in Redmond (Melinda Gates and Bill Gates, for e.g.) So far, I’m not sure Pres. B has done a lot that was demonstrably out of line. Duke could have done a lot worse.
Blaming Brodhead or Duke for things said by outside consultants (Bowen & Chambers) is a bit off base. Sort of like blaming Boeing for mistakes of McKenzie & Co. Still, for Bowen to say that rape by 20 is comparable to rape by 3 sounds like, at best, a senior moment.
I also notice that no Durham police sergeant who called on his cell phone and was overheard by a Duke police officer has denied saying 20 then 3 assailants. If Durham police sergeant was calling the dispatcher (who else would he be calling?), might be a tape of the call.
interesting developments today..
i hope i dont have to put my foot in my mouth…
“So far, I’m not sure Pres. B has done a lot that was demonstrably out of line.”
Well, let’s see. . .
He fired the coach and cancelled the season, before any verdict was in. (never heard of that being done for a football or basketball team)
And he quickly attended a rally at NCCC to apologize for the conduct of the players.
Instead, he might better have said that Duke was investigating and would handle the matter–if verified–in an appropriate and just manner. But that the rights of all–including the accused–would also be respected, until there was a determination of guilt or innocence.
“Duke could have done a lot worse.”
Duke did not advise the three team captains (and permanent residents of the house on Buchanan) of the seriousness of the charges they might be facing, or advise them to secure legal counsel. Instead, they were initially questioned for three hours without counsel present.
Duke permitted candlelight vigils and rallies on campus at which flyers with pictures of the entire team were handed out like wanted posters.
Everyone on the team was therefore branded as being potentially a “rapist” by virtue of being a lacrosse player.
Duke also permitted the police to question students in dorms without warrants (in addition to a search with warrants) and permitted the media to be all over the campus during finals week (in contrast to Boston college, which, when the media came seeking a girlfriend of one of the accused, strictly barred the media from the campus.)
Duke’s entire performance has assumed the guilt of the players from the beginning.
Duke’s exposure to lawsuits for slander, defamation, etc. is now immense, should the players be found innocent.
Duke was unwilling to back up its athletic department or students, and in its haste to scamper away from any liability for the “rape”,
merely ran right into greater liability for failing to protect the rights of the accused.
cfw wrote:
I also notice that no Durham police sergeant who called on his cell phone and was overheard by a Duke police officer has denied saying 20 then 3 assailants. If Durham police sergeant was calling the dispatcher (who else would he be calling?), might be a tape of the call.
Durham PD evidently use their cell phones to avoid dispatch and comunicate with more senior people. What no one is asking is who was on the other end of the call with the Durham officer. Regardless the Duke officer can testify as to what he overheard and it will most likely be admissible as a state mind or present sense impression exception to hearsay.
Why should anyone have to worry about putting their foot in thir mouth.
YOu have to know the media is going to milk this thing for what it is worth.
Even if they bleed this thing out for years, it is so very clear that no rape occured here…
What I am trying to learn, is how a DA’s office benefits by bring big national cases to its office. I know what the media and lawyers get, but I am now I want to know how thes DA offices benefit.
I am learning from th OJ, MJ, KObe Bryant, and this case, that this DA’s use these cases forsome reason.
I guess I hav to just follow the $$$$….
Its got to have something to do with money, becuz all of these cases proved to me that they had nothingto do with getting true justice.
When I get that connection, then I will have come full circle.
Just to clarify, Coach Pressler was fired because he failed to comply with earlier instructions from the school to discipline his players. He was told that they were out of control – public drinking, public nuisance, etc. – and was told to get them under control. This he obviously failed to do, and that is why he was properly terminated.
If Coach Pressler had taught his boys to behave like men – which was his first responsibility as their coach – they never would have had a drunken debauchery with strippers and none of this would have happened.
“If Coach Pressler had taught his boys to behave like men – which was his first responsibility as their coach – they never would have had a drunken debauchery with strippers and none of this would have happened.”
Well, I’m not in favor of “drunken debauchery” (I am teetotal, for that matter); but was the conduct of the LAX team any worse than that of many/most college athletes?
They seem to be singled out as exemplars of the worst in college sports; but most (all) of the LAX players at Duke graduate and go on to careers in business/medicine/law.
I don’t think that is true of many other college athletes.
I pity the next college team which has a player accused of rape, because if there is a demand then to see a football/basketball season cancelled and a football coach fired, we are going to be in for some fun fireworks. . .
From a post on the TalkLeft blog:
Lastly, by the way, for those of you who instantly dismissed the lacrosse players as having no credibility and so quickly accepted Nifong’s characterization of them as “hooligans”:
1. In 2005, 60% of the team had a GPA of 3.0 or higher; in the last 4 years nearly 80% of the team (147 players) have been on the Academic ACC Honor Roll (second only to the women’s rowing team).
2. In the past year, lacrosse players have volunteered for over 21 community service programs with one senior being nominated for the prestigious ACC Community Service of the Year Award;
3. The Duke Lacrosse team raised more money than any other student group for Katrina relief;
4. The vile email was partial quote from “American Psycho”, a movie on the cirriculum of 3 courses at Duke, including the Focus course for freshmen; and
5. there were 1021 citations of Duke students by Durham police in the last 2 1/2 years, only 15 of those were lacrosse players.
Coach Pressler insisted on high academic and community-service standards. He was scapegoated by an administration that abandoned common sense, patience and the tenent of innocent until proven guilty out of fear of an image created by the MSM and individuals with unrelated personal agendas. Shame on the administration.
“Coach Pressler insisted on high academic and community-service standards.”
Looks like he got it–except for a few bad apples and thugs. I don’t think the LAX players are any worse than, say, football players–there just happen to be as many as 120 football players on a D-I squad at any given time, so it’s all multiplied by a scale of four.
“but most (all) of the LAX players at Duke graduate and go on to careers in business/medicine/law. I don’t think that is true of many other college athletes.”
Let’s see the numbers re: business/medicine/law, please. I suspect that the LAX players at Duke have similar numbers to any Ivy/quasi-ivy (e.g) Stanford) institution and its athletes, just because of their admissions standards.
Thank you, Slurpie. I knew that the email was some kind of a joke that derived from some well accepted movies. Even though I don’t have the resources to find out if the movies in question were shown on the campus, I always suspected that they were. I have not seen “American Psycho”, nor will I. I have seen portions of “Silence of the Lambs”, rather sick minded in my opinion. Now, I find out that a “professor” was paid to “teach” this movie. They tarred and feathered this kid for using themes from this movie in his email. What a bunch of hypocrites these liberal professors are. This whole episode just proves in my mind that there is no real thought process that goes on in this case, only a bunch of clowns tripping over each other to show how PC they are. Sad. I hope these guys sue their school when this is all over and the charges are dropped.
“If Coach Pressler had taught his boys to behave like men – which was his first responsibility as their coach – they never would have had a drunken debauchery with strippers and none of this would have happened. ”
Comment by DBL
DBL,*sigh*! A false claim of rape started this. This is illegal. Hiring a stripper isn’t. As far as drinking: If these boys are old enough to go and die in Iraq, they’re old enough to drink.
Seahawk:
I like the idea of viewing Brodhead as a quasi-fiduciary or trustee for F and S. He owes a duty of impartiality.
Like a director of a business, he gets the benefit of the “business judgment” rule. Cancelling a lax season is well within his rights.
Suspending F and S seems in accord with rules of the school.
Suspending M for the email is a bit close to the line.
The Duke vulnerability to civil suit (if there is one) arises in my mind from not promptly gagging the faculty. Some faculty members carried on at great length as if f and s were guilty, in blissful ignorance of faculty duties to remain objective and impartial.
Students did likewise, without being promptly curbed by faculty and the administration. A sort of reverse “hostile environment” developed.
I see no evidence that Duke allowed improper interviews of lax players in dorms – looks like Nifong and the police did that on their own.
It seems Duke does a pretty good job keeping the dorms secure – except for “tag alongs” (slinking in before the door closes and locks).
Duke handled the black panthers pretty well. The Duke press work was ok – lots of biased coverage emerged, but Duke was not in a position to do much more than what it did to shape the coverage.
Duke can and must think about its long term relations with the community, as well as objectivity toward F and S. That probably explains no suggestions in April or on May 1 by Brodhead and Duke staff that Duke students, faculty and staff should make sure to vote on May 2.
If lax team captains chose to talk for hours to the Durham police, that is not Duke’s decision, as far as I can tell. Plus, what harm arose?
“He fired the coach and cancelled the season, before any verdict was in. (never heard of that being done for a football or basketball team)
And he quickly attended a rally at NCCC to apologize for the conduct of the players.”
The business judgment rule protects Pres. B in these areas.
“Instead, he might better have said that Duke was investigating and would handle the matter–if verified–in an appropriate and just manner.”
Hindsight is 20/20. All we can demand is use of business judgment and impartiality.
“But that the rights of all–including the accused–would also be respected, until there was a determination of guilt or innocence.”
He did a good bit of the “keep an open mind” talk. If his faculty had lined up behind him, he might have done more.
“Duke did not advise the three team captains (and permanent residents of the house on Buchanan) of the seriousness of the charges they might be facing, or advise them to secure legal counsel.”
The captains and 610 N. Buch residents as yet have not been charged. Not sure Duke has in loco parentis duties or rights in these cases any more. Keep in mind, without in loco parentis “parental” rights, Duke folks could end up in Nifong’s cross hairs for obstruction of justice if they jump in and say “do not talk.” Properly retained lawyers can say “do not talk” – others may run into “obstruction” allegations.
“Instead, they were initially questioned for three hours without counsel present.”
The lax players may have made mistakes. Lots of people do, even though they know their 5th Amendment rights.
“Duke permitted candlelight vigils and rallies on campus at which flyers with pictures of the entire team were handed out like wanted posters.”
This raises a “hostile environment” issue, plus an issue of breach of duty of impartiality. Duke was perhaps a bit slow on the uptake.
“Everyone on the team was therefore branded as being potentially a “rapist†by virtue of being a lacrosse player.”
What the Duke control group could have done more quickly is an interesting question. Nifong did the branding as “hooligans.” Duke was not in a position to immediately unring that bell. Brodhead seems to have remained pretty neutral – not sure the same can be said for the faculty as a whole.
“Duke also permitted the police to question students in dorms without warrants (in addition to a search with warrants) and permitted the media to be all over the campus during finals week (in contrast to Boston college, which, when the media came seeking a girlfriend of one of the accused, strictly barred the media from the campus.)”
Business judgment rule applies re what to do with the press. Duke has a huge campus – not sure Duke could keep all cameras way without doubling or tripling its police force. Probably 6000 acres compared to 600 in Boston.
“Duke’s entire performance has assumed the guilt of the players from the beginning.”
This looks wrong, if we focus on Pres. B. Some faculty do seem to have assumed guilt.
“Duke’s exposure to lawsuits for slander, defamation, etc. is now immense, should the players be found innocent.”
Defamation and slander suits are covered by insurance, and probably pretty easily defended. The control group were pretty careful about throwing in the presumption of innocence. Even the rabid anti-lax faculty members were careful enough to leave open the possibility of innocence.
“Duke was unwilling to back up its athletic department or students, and in its haste to scamper away from any liability for the “rapeâ€,
merely ran right into greater liability for failing to protect the rights of the accused.”
It is true there were two risks to avoid. Business judgment was called for and used. There was not professional perfection, but Pres. B did a lot better than Bush and his ilk have been doing lately, eh?
I am curious about something. Why are the lacrosse players bad, evil boys for hiring strippers, yet the strippers are not bad girls for stripping? What sort of a double standard is this?
For what it’s worth, the Defense now claims the most recent DNA tests reveal no link to the lax players :
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2443217
“Attorney Joseph Cheshire. . . said the tests showed genetic material from a “single male source” was found on a vaginal swab taken from the accuser, but that material did not match any of the players.
“In other words, it appears this woman had sex with a male. . .It also appears with certainty it wasn’t a Duke lacrosse player.”
Some quotes from Cheshire (atty for one of the unidicted LAX players–remember, he is for the Defense) :
“The first thing I’d like to say is that it’s interesting to note that this report (on the latest DNA result) was leaked by the DA according to press people who have told me specifically – several days ago. We only received the report at 5:00 by fax. I find it interesting that it was leaked that way and faxed to us in a way that was apparently done so we wouldn’t have the opportunity to respond to it.
“The second thing is it makes me sad the way it was leaked and reported by many people that there was a match in the second DNA hit to one of the lacrosse players. . .
(snip)
“I also want to go back and discuss what I said at the initial press conference about the DNA. This one plastic fingernail that was supposed to have been according to this false accuser, ripped off during this horific struggle, was taken from a trash can from the bathroom from two of the players who live in that house. In that bathroom and in that trash can where those fingernails were placed by the lacrosse players when they cleaned up their bathroom. The trash can also had in it que tips, kleenex, toilet paper and every other possible type of things that would carry their DNA.”
Source for #69
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/12/ng.01.html
(you’ll have to scroll down to about the middle of the page, since this is the transcript for an entire TV show, not all of which was devoted to the lax case)
(Defense attorney Cheshire speaking)
“It is further important to know the woman says the fingernails …were given to the Durham police department by the same lacross player who put them in the trash can. And they were given to the DPD after they were told by the Duke university police there was an accusation of rape and police would be coming by to talk with them.
(snip)
“This report also shows as the SBI report showed that there is no and I emphasize no scientific or genetic evidence that any rape or assault occurred on this false accuser.”
(snip)
“Even though the DA’s office has said no semen was collected from this false accuser, we now find from this DNA report that in fact they did retrieve male genetic material from a single source from this false accuser from vaginal swabs.
That source is named in the report and is a person known to the Durham PD but is not any of the Duke lacrosse players.
Does anyone know the name of the man who _actually_ had sex with the Durham prostitute and false accuser. And who is named in the 2nd DNA report.
I have heard that it is a “prominent person in Durham”
Do tell?
This case is over…
The defense is up by 13 points, and its 2 minutes left in the 4th qtr, and the defense is well in field goal range, and its first down and goal.
LaShawn, looks like you called this one but good…http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060513/ap_on_sp_co_ne/duke_lacrosse
Nothing linking the players to a rape–male genetic material taken from the vaginal vault none of the 46.
It is not a “prominent person” but someone “known to the Durham PD” and they have not released the man’s name. Want to take bets it is her drug dealer or her boyfriend? This case is falling apart faster than you can say Katelyn Faber….
Mike Nifong knew this DNA was none of the lacrosse players but held the info until he got reelected. Hope he is impeached and sued.
Game over: Duke Lax-0 (no winners here), Lying Slut-to be determined. She needs to be locked up as a rapist for the emotional raping she gave these guys; the damage to them will be just as permanent as a physical rape is.
If the male DNA found on/in the stripper belongs to someone known to the police department, that means that they had reason to previously take DNA from that person. Could it also mean that she had consentual sex with that person and that they did a match for some logistic reason? Does this mean that this person was a suspect in a previous sexual assault? Why else would the DPD know this male’s DNA?
Another comment. First the stripper says 20 players did it. Then she says only 3 players did it. Then I read that she says there might be 4 players. This is pure craziness. Anyone with half a brain would question her credibility.
Could it also be a “john” that sh serviced earlier in the evening? And she is saying that it was consentual becuz she was illegally selling sex to this man?
And I now lets take another look at the race component…what race is this man?
Have the new black panthers left town yet?
tawanabrawley,
Anything involving Duke and football, even your analogy, is a disaster!! Please re-phrase.
tawanabrawley,
I thought all along it was a john that did it. She admitted to “one on one dates with men for money” several times a week. We all know a john is not in it to “make sweet love”; he is in it for da nasty! My thought was a customer tore her ass up and she got into it over name calling (which I read went both ways) and the fact the men did not want to pay for a five minute dance when they paid for a 2 hour lesbo show (check bunnyhole for its price list.)
Belle, the news is not saying who the man is, but one of the defense attorneys has the info and “feels no need to drag him through the mud.” At least the defense is more ethical than the DA.
How long before Nifwrong says (as quoted by the lovely and gracious Kim Roberts), “Sorry Fellas!” I think he should change his name to Nifwrong.
I am quite sure this “rape case” is going nowehere fast, especially after the second DNA testing. I would bet that these Duke lacrosse players will be good husbands later on. I bet they will never hire a stripper for a party, they will never hire a stripper for a bachelor party and they will never go to a strip club. They may not even want to log on to a porn website. The ladies who will eventually marry these young men will never have to worry about them creeping around behind their back. Too bad they had to learn a lesson in this manner. Hopefully, they’ve learned from this and will not ruin them.
cynical1der:
“Belle, the news is not saying who the man is, but one of the defense attorneys has the info and “feels no need to drag him through the mud.†At least the defense is more ethical than the DA.”
Defense counsel wants to work with the prior partner to develop helpful testimony (such as about roughness, timing). Not mentioning the PP name builds goodwill with PP and gives the defense a sort of “big stick.” Good lawyering explains silence, most likely, more than a deeper sense of ethics.
If the Durham Herald (reporter Stevenson) had what defense counsel now has, the Herald gave a woefully inaccurate and misleading report about the results of the private DNA tests.
If the Herald did not have the 2d DNA report when they filed their “DNA might match” article, they should say so and issue a clarifying article, yes?
Duke has acted correctly? BS. I was in the dorm when the lacrosse players were told to leave campus, this was friday before exams, because the Black Panther party was going to be allowed to have a rally on campus. ONLY after many press inquiries into this behavior did Duke change their mind and stop the BP rally. It is my understanding the players were not allowed back on campus. DISGUSTING. PC nonsense. The Duke Adm has been wearing their white guilt with great pride for all to see. The hell with their students, we want PC. I want to throw up. Kemp
I’ve gagged quite a few times myself, Kemp.
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