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	<title>Comments on: California&#8217;s &#8216;Disadvantaged&#8217; Business Advantage in Jeopardy</title>
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		<title>By: Delwyn Campbell</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69916</link>
		<dc:creator>Delwyn Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the original basis of such laws lies with the fact that most Govt entities were dominated by whites who tended to refuse to accept bids from black businesses.  On the local level this pattern ended as more blacks were elected to political positions, but on the national level, the situation took a lot longer to change.  

It is also true that businesses have attempted to shortcut the law by hiring minority front-people.  Someone offered such a position to my wife shortly after the &quot;end of combat operations&quot; in Iraq, but she turned it down, since she recognized that she knew nothing about construction, and realized that such an offer was immoral, even if legal.

Regarding the larger picture, I believe that blacks and whites tend to have a different picture when each talks about a &quot;color blind&quot; society.  Blacks want a society where they no longer have to prove that they have a right to be where they are, and whites want a place where they no longer have to prove that they no longer view blacks as domesticated animals who can talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the original basis of such laws lies with the fact that most Govt entities were dominated by whites who tended to refuse to accept bids from black businesses.  On the local level this pattern ended as more blacks were elected to political positions, but on the national level, the situation took a lot longer to change.  </p>
<p>It is also true that businesses have attempted to shortcut the law by hiring minority front-people.  Someone offered such a position to my wife shortly after the &#8220;end of combat operations&#8221; in Iraq, but she turned it down, since she recognized that she knew nothing about construction, and realized that such an offer was immoral, even if legal.</p>
<p>Regarding the larger picture, I believe that blacks and whites tend to have a different picture when each talks about a &#8220;color blind&#8221; society.  Blacks want a society where they no longer have to prove that they have a right to be where they are, and whites want a place where they no longer have to prove that they no longer view blacks as domesticated animals who can talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Tiede</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69775</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Tiede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2002 I put in a bid on a HUD contract for settlement work for foreclosed properties in the Buffalo/Rochester, NY area.  The HUD rep in NYC called me and asked me if I was minority owned or any percentage minority owned.   I said no so she suggested I &quot;find someone&quot; or use my wife&#039;s name, or I wouldn&#039;t be considered.  

I&#039;m wary of such shenanigans, even when the officials give them the old wink and nod. 

I thought I still had a crack at it, too.  The bid was limited to law firms with under a million dollars in annual revenues who could perform at least five hundred real estate closings per year.  A small group, most of whom I knew, and none of whom were minority owned.

  A few weeks later I got a call from another bidder (Hispanic) offering to join forces and bid it under his name, with me doing the work and him skimming some cash for nothing (except using his name). I looked closely at the bid guidelines and that sort of scheme was officially, at least, forbidden.  No deal.

  Anyway, the bid ended up going to a nominally woman owned enterprise which is still doing the work.  Interestingly, that enterprise is non-lawyer entity and forbidden by NY Judicial Law from preparing closing documents in real estate transactions.  Apparently the thinking was that the Feds can violate New York laws.  That bidder has since gotten a lawyer to front &quot;her&quot; operation, deflecting challenges from the State bar.  Just goes to show ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2002 I put in a bid on a HUD contract for settlement work for foreclosed properties in the Buffalo/Rochester, NY area.  The HUD rep in NYC called me and asked me if I was minority owned or any percentage minority owned.   I said no so she suggested I &#8220;find someone&#8221; or use my wife&#8217;s name, or I wouldn&#8217;t be considered.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m wary of such shenanigans, even when the officials give them the old wink and nod. </p>
<p>I thought I still had a crack at it, too.  The bid was limited to law firms with under a million dollars in annual revenues who could perform at least five hundred real estate closings per year.  A small group, most of whom I knew, and none of whom were minority owned.</p>
<p>  A few weeks later I got a call from another bidder (Hispanic) offering to join forces and bid it under his name, with me doing the work and him skimming some cash for nothing (except using his name). I looked closely at the bid guidelines and that sort of scheme was officially, at least, forbidden.  No deal.</p>
<p>  Anyway, the bid ended up going to a nominally woman owned enterprise which is still doing the work.  Interestingly, that enterprise is non-lawyer entity and forbidden by NY Judicial Law from preparing closing documents in real estate transactions.  Apparently the thinking was that the Feds can violate New York laws.  That bidder has since gotten a lawyer to front &#8220;her&#8221; operation, deflecting challenges from the State bar.  Just goes to show ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Gilliam</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69764</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gilliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two things to say on this Lashawn, our people are ethically challenged and that is one reason why many of our businesses don&#039;t succeed. They try and take the easy way out of everything, it never fails,depending on the business. For instance if you have a nightclub, or Elks lodge even,they will spend the money they make off of people who rent their places for special events and pocket it and the place winds up attracting a bunch of riff raff who won&#039;t spend any money while there,or they want to stand outside even though they came to this place to have a good time,this instant gratification type of thinking has ruined us!You will not be a success if you try and hook and crook people all the time and that is what many of them do. Second,I wish our people would learn how to get out of the box business wise and start opening some diffferent businesses other than a greasy spoon and a barber shop! We have enough of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two things to say on this Lashawn, our people are ethically challenged and that is one reason why many of our businesses don&#8217;t succeed. They try and take the easy way out of everything, it never fails,depending on the business. For instance if you have a nightclub, or Elks lodge even,they will spend the money they make off of people who rent their places for special events and pocket it and the place winds up attracting a bunch of riff raff who won&#8217;t spend any money while there,or they want to stand outside even though they came to this place to have a good time,this instant gratification type of thinking has ruined us!You will not be a success if you try and hook and crook people all the time and that is what many of them do. Second,I wish our people would learn how to get out of the box business wise and start opening some diffferent businesses other than a greasy spoon and a barber shop! We have enough of them!</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69751</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh..I do proposals for a company that bids on government jobs all over the country, and this affirmative action/MBA/DBE crap is a real headache.  Talk about red tape.  My company IS a minority-owned business--legitimately--owned by a Vietnamese mathematician--but he was hardly disadvantaged.  He was educated in Paris and at MIT.  I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve never gotten a bid award based on being an MBE, but we try anyway.  We have a good product so it&#039;s really rather demeaning.

I think the pols realized that Asians had an advantage and so tried to screw it around to favor blacks more and that&#039;s why this DBE thing came along.  The feds use it too.

Anyway, the paperwork they give ALWAYS assumes that as prime contractor you are NOT a minority but are hustling to find a minority sub somewhere, and if you can&#039;t you have to certify your good-faith effort to find one.  

What a crock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh..I do proposals for a company that bids on government jobs all over the country, and this affirmative action/MBA/DBE crap is a real headache.  Talk about red tape.  My company IS a minority-owned business&#8211;legitimately&#8211;owned by a Vietnamese mathematician&#8211;but he was hardly disadvantaged.  He was educated in Paris and at MIT.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve never gotten a bid award based on being an MBE, but we try anyway.  We have a good product so it&#8217;s really rather demeaning.</p>
<p>I think the pols realized that Asians had an advantage and so tried to screw it around to favor blacks more and that&#8217;s why this DBE thing came along.  The feds use it too.</p>
<p>Anyway, the paperwork they give ALWAYS assumes that as prime contractor you are NOT a minority but are hustling to find a minority sub somewhere, and if you can&#8217;t you have to certify your good-faith effort to find one.  </p>
<p>What a crock.</p>
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		<title>By: Glamchild</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69750</link>
		<dc:creator>Glamchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 16:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real nightmare is that the State is buying up private property in droves(with my tax dollars)....

....in order to turn whole blocks, miles, ---whole Cities, into &quot;Disadvantaged Entrprise Zones&quot;.

In other words, what they are trying to do is a sort of social engineering with private consumers.

They are trying to get private consumers to shop only &quot;Disadvantaged&quot; businesses.

...by remaking whole City blocks, with nothing but those types of businesses.

It&#039;s that whole turning private-property-into public-enterprise-zones....thing.  The only thing it really does is create more blight and more entrenched inner-cities as the public flees to practice commercial consumption (free-choice) at such business that aren&#039;t calling themselves &quot;disadvantaged&quot;.

Anywhere you&#039;ve got a CRA (Community Re-development Agency), you know you&#039;ve got social engineering going on....destined for failure, and more blight.

The Government cannot engineer and force a &quot;free market&quot;.  That&#039;s why we call it free.

The Feds can do certain things like raise and lower interest rates......but to buy up whole city blocks and hand them over to &quot;disadvantaged&quot;....uh-oh  !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real nightmare is that the State is buying up private property in droves(with my tax dollars)&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.in order to turn whole blocks, miles, &#8212;whole Cities, into &#8220;Disadvantaged Entrprise Zones&#8221;.</p>
<p>In other words, what they are trying to do is a sort of social engineering with private consumers.</p>
<p>They are trying to get private consumers to shop only &#8220;Disadvantaged&#8221; businesses.</p>
<p>&#8230;by remaking whole City blocks, with nothing but those types of businesses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that whole turning private-property-into public-enterprise-zones&#8230;.thing.  The only thing it really does is create more blight and more entrenched inner-cities as the public flees to practice commercial consumption (free-choice) at such business that aren&#8217;t calling themselves &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anywhere you&#8217;ve got a CRA (Community Re-development Agency), you know you&#8217;ve got social engineering going on&#8230;.destined for failure, and more blight.</p>
<p>The Government cannot engineer and force a &#8220;free market&#8221;.  That&#8217;s why we call it free.</p>
<p>The Feds can do certain things like raise and lower interest rates&#8230;&#8230;but to buy up whole city blocks and hand them over to &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221;&#8230;.uh-oh  !!!</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69739</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 13:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Chicago, there has been more than one case of businesses posing as black/minority/woman owned to get city contracts.</description>
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		<title>By: joaquin</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/05/22/1971/comment-page-1/#comment-69738</link>
		<dc:creator>joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 13:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Dean as the head of the DNC!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
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		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in NC, and alot of public bids (construction projects) use mandatory minority involvement. I really think this is a good idea. But i see a growing trend of sub contractors selling the company to their wives, or taking on a minority partner to fall into that category. But at the same time, there are minority owned businesses that refuse to use the categorization as means to an end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in NC, and alot of public bids (construction projects) use mandatory minority involvement. I really think this is a good idea. But i see a growing trend of sub contractors selling the company to their wives, or taking on a minority partner to fall into that category. But at the same time, there are minority owned businesses that refuse to use the categorization as means to an end.</p>
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