Friday, June 9: Nasty stuff you may not want to know.
Hold your horses, because this case can and will get weaker.
Thursday, June 8: I suspect this won’t surprise anyone, but here’s the latest info in the Duke lacrosse scandal:
1) Kim “Second Stripper” Roberts initially said she was with the accuser the entire time they were at the party;
2) Accuser told the police she was raped, sodomized, and strangled, but told the nurse “she was not choked; that no condoms, fingers or foreign objects were used during the sexual assault.”
The nurse noted that the stripper’s arms, legs, throat, etc., appeared “normal.”
Crack witnesses you got there, Nifong.
Also see Missing the Point: Conservatives and the Duke case.
Wednesday, June 7: When I called Duke president Richard Brodhead a “wimp,” I was on the right track. He not only looked and sounded weak at the press conference, but he’s also unprincipled.
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*** Lacrosse team reinstated. Scroll down for updates ***
Duke University is scheduled to discuss the men’s lacrosse program at 2:00 p.m. EST. You may recall that the administration fired the coach and canceled the team’s remaining season after a stripper claimed three players raped and beat her on March 14.
According to rumor, Duke will reinstate the lacrosse team. If the conference is streamed online, I’ll live-blog it. For my take on related news and events, see the Duke Rape Case category. (If you don’t see the “Next Page” link at the bottom, click here for page two.)
2:00 p.m.: It’s all below the fold.
The conference begins. Someone is introducing people: Board of Trustees folks, etc. Duke President Brodhead will make the announcement. Blah, blah, blah, external and internal committees, allowing the criminal investigation to run its course, etc.
Brodhead is giving a summary of events thus far. “None of us knows what happened” that night, blah, blah, blah. “We must take matters seriously” until they’re resolved. Now he’s talking about the biased, race-loaded report he commissioned in April (reported here – download PDF copy).
Brodhead’s droning on about “campus culture,” the need to be sensitive to racial matters, address campus drinking, etc. Duke needs to find ways to promote its positive effects…Duke is determined to address these issues. (I’d love to have a face to face conversation with this man. I’ll bet he’s never met someone like me. The shock would probably give him a heart attack. 
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He’s discussing changes in the University’s oversight of athletics. Good, and that should include all sports programs at Duke.
Bottom line: The lacrosse team will be reinstated. Now he’s trying to justify why he canceled the team’s remaining season. Nothing new here.
2:11: He’s “remained concerned” about the March 13 party, which involved “highly inappropriate” behavior. Conditions for reinstating: The players needed to commit to and uphold a code of conduct, which they agreed to do. Brodhead says he’s “taking a risk” in reinstating the team. Wimp.
A reporter asked a panelist about hiring a new lacrosse coach. Someone (no name) said they’re looking at a former lacrosse player as the new head coach.
Does anyone remember seeing or hearing similar press conferences when black ball players raped or assaulted white co-eds? Me, neither. As I said, looooooowwwwwer standards.
(How about this, this, this, this, and especially this? National news isn’t covering it, but here’s an update in the Brigham Young gang-rape case. The players had sex with a “barely conscious” girl. One player plead out but charges were dropped after the girl refused to testify in another rape case, two players were aquitted, and one plead to “forcible sodomy.” In that case, at least the DA had evidence the idiots had sex with the girl. In the Duke case, Mike Nifong’s “evidence” barely registers, yet he marches on with this farce.)
Question for white readers: Why don’t white communities rant and rave and call press conferences when white women are raped by black men?
2:22: The press conference continues, but I’m signing off.
Update (4:22 p.m.): Mary Katharine Ham says:
I grew up in neighborhood near Duke– a neighborhood that has had the honor of having more than one serial rapist bear its name over the years. In those cases, the rapists were black and most of their victims white. The national press was largely unconcerned. There were very few candlelight vigils in town for those victims. There were no dialogues and “healing conferences” held.
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You’ve just asked a really good question, La Shawn and certainly I have no answer to it. I’m a white woman and the only time anyone ever tried to rape me I beat the snot out of him. (I was 20 and a world class figure skater at the time – one kick from some very well trained legs and he was toasted!) In hindsight (from a distance of 44 years), I cannot believe I actually did that! But then I was raised by parents who made it a point to teach me that in order to have others respect me, I had to first respect myself!
My personal opinion is that RAPE IN GENERAL is something with which we all have problems. For one thing there’s the fact that it isn’t really a sexual crime, but rather one of power and control and outright aggression and violence. But a lot of men have a huge amount of trouble wrapping their heads around that, even in these so-called enlightened times.
There is also the more recent spate of false rape accusations going on which create a whole other dynamic that is, at least to me, really disturbing, if only because false accusations make it difficult for genuine victims of rape to be believed and/or receive justice. There’s the “justice” system that frequently victimizes the rape victim (of whatever color) all over again. Then add in a racial component and things get really roiled up! I’m sure sociologists and psychologists have some kind of explanations for all of this – but most of them are pretty lame airheads and I’m left thinking that the bottom line with regard to all [genuine] rapes is that we have lost our moral center almost entirely and it’s time to work on rebuilding it!
From the letter to the Duke Community – “The students proclaim their innocence on all the counts. As you probably know, initial reports circulated through the media advanced the case against the students; more recent reports have made the case in their favor”. Anyone think the charges will be dismissed? What is the delay with the accuser’s cell phone log?
Question for white readers: Why don’t white communities rant and rave and call press conferences when white women are raped by black men?
Answer: Fear of being called – -*ulp* – racist.
Oh, and Gayle, rape is most definitely a sexual crime, some men seek to take money from others by force, some also seek to take sex from others by force. If it were a crime primarily of control and aggression, why not dominate and control a woman into ironing their shirt, or making a sandwich? The primary desire is sexual gratification.
“Why don’t white communities rant and rave and call press conferences when white women are raped by black men?”
Good question, LaShawn. I think there are several reasons. First, the victim mentality is not being fostered in whites on the basis of race as it is in other racial groups. Women will be outraged, as WOMEN, but rarely as “white” women. Whites are taught that they are the world’s only oppressors, through the selective use of history, and historical revisionism.
Second, the black community has had over 40 years to develop an efficient race-baiting machine, assisted by the media and led by the likes of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Whites have not done that in the last twenty years or so (and that may be changing).
Finally, I think it’s what Shelby Steele has called “White Guilt” in his excellent book.
“rape is most definitely a sexual crime …..
The primary desire is sexual gratification. ”
Motivations for rape do vary containing an element of sex and control, but the Duke alleged rape example would point much more to control – otherwise, assuming a rape did happen which I strongly doubt, why would three rich white boys bother raping an escort they could buy $50 or the going rate for a quickie in Durham.
Seriously, how can Nifong be pressing ahead with this case.
It is obvious to everyone he has no case yet he presses on just to save his own political skin.
Answer: because that would be racist. “Little white gal has herself all worried that she’s gonna get raped by every black man she sees.” Or some other such nonsense…
UNK’s post raises another question. Why is his phrase “rich white boys” acceptable? I can’t imagine it being media-sanctioned or socially acceptable to say “In Indianapolis, the suspected killers of the family of 7 are described as “violent black boys”.
Add in 2 other factors:
1. The murdered family was Hispanic. Why are hispanics also generally of the “non-marching persuasion” when their own are crime victims?
2. Feminists are for the most part an auxiliary wing of the liberal Democrats, like race-baiting blacks. It would be interesting to see if there is statistical evidence to back what I suspect is true – that feminists minimize protests over rape when the suspect is black as part of an accepted convention they share with race card players in the name of political solidarity with “other oppressed people”.
I notice how few “take back the night” rallies or “I’m Outraged and Shocked, Just Shocked!!” moments the feminists seem to have over black on black rape, black rape of white women. I personally believe they only work themselves up when their target is a white oppressor male with perhaps a black celebrity or two thrown in.
True statistical research would be neat – look at the rapes in a city where feminists have an active force. See which rapes they weigh in on.
Another bozo on the soap box…
Fox News.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198118,00.html
“Seriously, how can Nifong be pressing ahead with this case.
It is obvious to everyone he has no case yet he presses on just to save his own political skin.”
Why should the basketball team top the list? Have they been engaging in documented bad behavior?
Just curious.
None documented. Totally gratuitous, thus, removed. – Admin
“it isn’t really a sexual crime, but rather one of power and control and outright aggression and violence.”
Power, control, aggression and violence are sexual stimulants for many people, both male and female.
Rape is a sexually driven crime. I’ve notived some political groups use sexiat scenerios to explain how alcohol boys inticed by strippers lost control of their desires (obviously none of these women have seen these Duke lacrosse strippers), but the same political groups claim that rape is a control crime. I wish they would make up their minds. It seems they use what ever suits them at the time.
“UNK’s post raises another question. Why is his phrase “rich white boys†acceptable? ”
Actually, if I thought about it and was not blogging fast, both the “rich†and “white†are unnecessary to the argument:
A rapist with $50 in his pocket would take the risk of raping a $50 whore if all he wanted was sex.
Shawn:
With all seriousness, is there the real possibility that these boys will NOT get justice. I am concerned that the climate is racist–and provoked and exploited by weenie little white men.
La Shawn, just a quick comment regarding Ricland being “Mike” from Ace — I don’t think it’s the same person. The “Mike” from Ace couldn’t fire consecutive brain cells, much less form a coherent thought. And forget about a dialogue.
Many may disagree with Ricland, but it can’t be the same person.
The Administration made a very revealing comment in that they think it’s a “risk” to bring back the team.
Obviously, it’s a Political risk because they’d like to pander to blacks, but the implication of the context is something different. I’d like to hear them challenged on exactly what they mean by the “risk,” in light of the facts.
They may as well have said they care nothing for justice, and that it’s all politics now.
“Rape is a sexually driven crime. ”
It’s almost impossible to explain the behavior of rapists entirely on the desire for sex.
Even if a person was a sex addict, like a drug addict, the easiest way to get it would be to buy it – and shoplift or mug old ladies for money if you are broke. Many rapists, and I doubt the Duke boys are guilty, but others have wives or girlfriends.
It takes a certain “controlling†mindset to make an amoral person decide – I am not going to mug an old lady and spend $200 on a coed whore, I am going to directly rape a coed because the bitch thinks she is too good for me – and besides I may be a rapist but I am too good for a whore.
Sometimes alcohol or drugs may cause a person to lose control or not understand what they are doing or that constant has not been given as in many he-said, she-said date rape cases.
or put another way,
Almost everyone 18-40 wants sex.
Rapists want sex AND something else, or they are too drunk to know they are raping.
“Almost everyone 18-40 wants sex.”
Sex ends at 40? Who knew?
Don’t tell my wife. I’ve still got her buffaloed.
It appears that Kim Roberts has given an interview to Vanity Fair ragazine. In it, she describes herself and the A/V as just two little girls scared of these big, bad, boys. Funny thing is, didn’t she previously describe Finnerty as the “skinny, little one”??? This stripper is so blatantly looking for attention, it is sickening. While I don’t approve of men hiring strippers, I bet that the boys in this case were the ones who were frightened when these two nasty, beat-up, used -up, old pieces of trash showed up at the door!
I am convinced the Left has a powerful weapon from which no one can defend themselves. Racism. Anytime, anyone speaks up against the liberal agenda, that person is publicly labeled a racist. This is very hard for the average person living in any town. It makes it very difficult to speak out, because to be labeled a racist, when you are not a racist is a very bad thing. This is true for welfare, school, abortion, work, and public policy issues. Such a shame.
As a Duke alum, I would REALLY appreciate it if news media (even including you, La Shawn!) would stop using headlines such as “Duke Rape Case”. Such headlines are very misleading, as there was most likely no rape, and we all know that a big portion of our population reads just the headlines and not the meat of the articles. What do you think most people absorb when they see the headline “Duke Rape Case”?
Just a peeve of mine. I got really annoyed when I turned to Tucker Carlson last night, the whole time they had the words “Duke Rape” in the headline section. It’s bordering on libel, but it’s everywhere.
How about “Duke Accusations” or “The Duke Case” or “The Dubious Prosecution of Duke Lacrosse Players”? Something a little more accurate and less inflammatory and less misleading.
Otherwise, thanks La Shawn for continuing to provide informed and fair coverage of this ridiculous prosecution.
From previous discussion- New Word, call Webster
Nifong (v) To destroy a person’s life or people’s lives for the purpose of your own political gain. (example: The swift boat soldiers were nifonged by John Kerry.)
“Why don’t white communities rant and rave and call press conferences when white women are raped by black men?”
For the same reason this story slants towards reporting that six black faculty members are leaving Duke this summer but the ten new faculty recruited by Duke for the fall term are merely a footnote. In order to maintain the “victim” mentality, you are only allowed to emphasize the shortcomings. You are not allowed to illustrate the success stories or accomplishments, lest you further “victimize” one without such successes.
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/447255.html
Sorry. Should have been “shortcomings of whilte people”
“As a Duke alum, I would REALLY appreciate it if news media (even including you, La Shawn!) would stop using headlines such as “Duke Rape Caseâ€. Such headlines are very misleading, as there was most likely no rape, and we all know that a big portion of our population reads just the headlines and not the meat of the articles.”
I agree that many people only read the headlines. I even brought up the point in some previous thread that even PBS noted that many people read the headline of “He Whistled at a White Woman and They Lynched Him†(Emmett Till) as the entire white town came out and ate peach cobbler as “everyone†lynched him.
But all news media has an incentive to attract readers with sensational headlines, and it would take restraint against their own self-interest to stop.
There is also an issue of freedom of speech.
There are always going to be people who don’t have the interest to read the news, but want to pretend that they are informed.
Also, there may be social values through attracting readers with more extreme headlines. “14-year old hits on WWII Vet’s wife, refuses to apologize and is beaten to death†would be just another local news story if there were no racial aspect.
In one of C-Span’s broadcast of President Johnson’s tapes, Johnson was advising some civil right leader to use the most extreme of racism for the news to get attention for their cause.
Of course some causes (equal rights) are better than others (kill whitey).
As a Duke alum, I would REALLY appreciate it if news media (even including you, La Shawn!) would stop using headlines such as “Duke Rape Caseâ€. #25, by jc
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I agree, jc — and over at National Review Online, they’re calling the matter “Duke Lacrosse Scandal.”
Speaking of NRO, today’s edition has two columns on the “Scandal” and they’re both mighty good. Michael Rubin’s, titled “Forget the Facts”, gives some great background on Chancellor Broadhead’s approach to this current case, and reveals this is not the first time he’s found it convenient to throw “the accused” under a bus. As has transpired now, he threw a professor at Yale under the bus early in the investigation of a co-ed’s murder in New Haven, but a great amount of exculpatory evidence came out later and no one has been charged.
I still think Broadhead was mighty damn quick in throwing the whole men’s lacrosse team under the bus to appease the early hue and cry, and yesterday’s “reinstatement” doesn’t come nearly close to undoing the damage.
they’re calling the matter “Duke Lacrosse Scandal.â€
I haven’t really thought about it, but calling it a “Scandal†seems to be watering it down to me and not that accurate.
Didn’t the other side, object to describing the alleged victim as “stripper†even when it was obvious that she was a stripper at least during the “scandal.â€
Sounds like too much wordplay by both the left and right to me.
At the time, there was a hired stripper, racial slurs and an “very bad” email that came from Duke lacrosse players. Can Duke reinstate the two students?
“Can Duke reinstate the two students? ”
If you mean Finnerty and Seligmann, I believe it is the University’s policy to suspend players charged with a felony until such time as it is adjudicated. Basically, until the the charges are dropped or they are found not guilty in a court of law, they may not return to school. I think this applies to all felony charges, not just in this particular case. The other lacrosse player that was stopped in Chapel Hill a few weeks ago DWI and possessing pot has also been suspended indefinitely.
As a Duke Alum, I would really like to see Broadhead fired or “hand in his resignation” when the falsity of the allegations is unequivocally established.
Belle….just even the prospect of a Vanity Fair interview with KIm ROberts is very, very disturbing. Please tell me this is a just rumor.
The “very bad email” was a situation where a player was ticked off at having wasted $$ on a very brief and allegedly stumblin’ drunk “dance” by the accuser, and he fired off an email in which he quoted Bret Easton Ellis’s novel “American Psycho”. Yes, the content of the email is vulgar and disgusting, but it is a clear reference to American Psycho (actually, the email writer may have referenced the movie and not the novel, I don’t know).
Lots of people quote books and movies. Often the lines are crazy, or funny, or vulgar, or whatever. This email writer unfortunately chose a bad time to paraphrase a violent/vulgar novel/movie.
It should be noted that the writer of the email is NOT one of the 3 indicted players. The email he wrote was just an expression of anger at having been ripped off, and he had bad timing in referencing American Psycho. Our noble press has either totally missed the literary reference, or has disregarded it as such because the story here is much juicier if they can keep alive the fiction that Duke lacrosse players are hyper-violent mass-murderers in addition to sex offenders.
Nonetheless, the email writer was suspended from school because of the email. Over-reaction by Duke, if you ask me.
“I haven’t really thought about it, but calling it a “Scandal†seems to be watering it down to me and not that accurate. ” —UNK, @32
Hey, I’m just the messenger ….
But calling it the “Duke Lacrosse Scandal” touches the irony nerve for me, too, since it’s possible to see “scandal” in how quickly the college kids were thrown under the bus by the PC Duke administrators, professors and the “impartial” study committees.
Link to article about Kim Roberts interview with Vanity Fair….looks like she got her wish – she is profiting from the situation.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/lacrosse/ny-liduke0606,0,384015.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
By the way, the film “American Psycho” was required viewing for some courses for incoming Duke freshmen, and they were required to write essays after seeing it.
That made everyone familiar with it.
For that you can blame the Duke faculty (which, judging from what I have seen thus far, seem not to be aware that there really are great works of art out there–in both literature and film–other than violent works by contemporary–and highly commercial–artists.)
“Whether or not the felony charges are upheld against the three indicted students, the fact is that members of the team engaged in irresponsible and dishonorable behavior,” Broadhead said.
How does Broadhead know this? Was HE at the party??? If not, then he should do us all the courtesy of keeping his mouth shut. For a university president he displays a shocking level of ignorance.
UNK said: “I haven’t really thought about it, but calling it a ‘Scandal’ seems to be watering it down to me and not that accurate.”
SteveDinMD: Perhaps we should from now on refer to the matter as the “Nifong Rape Prosecution Scandal.” This would have the virtue of accuracy, at least.
I think this action is the results of the Board of Trustees stepping in and TELLING Broadhead to act. I also think the rumors about disbarrment hearings for nifungo are starting to take some traction. No one I know in the Bar in NC has defended this clown. He is an open sore that will continue to fester until the Bar takes action, which unfortuately for the boys will probably have to be after the case is dismissed. PS Tatercon, Watford’s sauce is NOT mustard and you’d love it! Kemp
“Question for white readers: Why don’t white communities rant and rave and call press conferences when white women are raped by black men?”
As I understand from older comments in the south by the KKK, this was one of their primary concerns. (Of course, they didn’t distinguish between consensual interracial sex and rape). This background may explain why today few whites want to make a histrionic fuss about black on white rape – even to punish rape no decent person wants to be associated with the KKK.
In addition, for whatever reason, non-black communities seem much more willing to let the police be their protectors.
As if a whole lot of those esteemed Doctors and Professors who are employed by Duke don’t go to strip places!!! The level of hypocrisy is unbelievable.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t Islamic law require FOUR witnesses? But the Nation of Islam only needs one witness against three?
http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=70042&sID=4
Geez, UNK. I think you’ve stumbled upon another exhibit for the defense’s prospective “change of venue” motion.
If the mindset of a portion of Durham’s black population is as portrayed in the “Wilmington (NC) Journal” reporting, then it’s pretty fair to say a portion of the potential jury pool has already arrived at a mindset that could prevent a fair consideration of any exculpatory evidence that the defense offers at trial.
Oh well. I reckon this piece might generate some comment in “The Corner.”
PS: Kemp, I also reckon I’ll have to “MapQuest” Watford, SC so I can make a detour by there to try the ‘cue you’re talking ’bout….
Apparently Mr. Nifong hasn’t finished gathering information.
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/448364.html
Someone, please, tell me what business is it of his where these students were hours before and hours after the party, especially if they weren’t in attendance? It’s as if he still doesn’t know who was there and who wasn’t. Why? I don’t believe the accuser is telling the truth in this particular case, but I feel sorry for any true crime victims where Nifong has butchered their cases.
Like these poor people:
When he learned in April that testing on DNA samples from 46 lacrosse players were rushed and completed in less than three weeks, Harris said he and the other parents became incensed. DNA collected from the bloody townhouse the previous November was still sitting at the lab in Raleigh, waiting its turn.
http://www.newsobserver.com/215/story/444574.html
The latest wrinkles :
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/448437.html
“The second dancer in the Duke lacrosse case told police early on that allegations of rape were a “crock” and that she was with the accuser the entire evening except for a period of less than five minutes.”
(snip)
“The accuser told the nurse “that she was not choked; that no condoms, fingers or foreign objects were used during the sexual assault,” the lawyers wrote in a sworn statement. The nurse noted that the accuser’s arms, legs, head, neck, nose, throat, mouth, chest, breasts and abdomen were all normal, the court filing said.”
(I guess Nifong will now drop the case. . .)
(sarc/off)
Good heavens! Is there anyone in charge in Durham? Doesn’t anyone in the court system have ANY sense?
The “very bad e-mail” was also dangled out there by the mainstream media to imply that the rape accusations were probably true (they took sides, believe it or not).
Not only did the press miss the literary references to American Psycho, but reporters would even insert comments like “It was unclear whether the e-mailer was serious …”. Like they couldn’t tell? Please.
It seemed to escape the media’s attention that the guy whose guilt and complicity was presumed after authoring such an e-mail was never fingered by the accuser in the photo line-up and hasn’t been indicted by the DA as one of the three alleged participants (those spots have been filled by others).
Now that one can presume the e-mailer’s innocence (like we couldn’t before) I wonder if he’ll be re-instated at Duke. I wonder if it was his own private computer and if he sent the e-mail to others’ private computers. I’ve heard of folks getting suspended from school for sending racist e-mails on University computers. But is Duke saying that you can be suspended if they find your private thoughts to be distasteful? Interesting.
Greg: “I wonder if he’ll be re-instated at Duke. ”
I watched some of the press conference on Monday with Brodhead, et al. I don’t recall the exact quote but Brodhead alluded to McFadyen’s suspension as for his own safety. I believe he is eligible to return in the fall. I wonder if Duke will refund his tuition for half of the semester that he missed.
“Is there anyone in charge in Durham? Doesn’t anyone in the court system have ANY sense? ”
There was an interesting show on Public Radio today showing that NC was busy finding the “truth” of some past racial acts:
The state of North Carolina had America’s first and only recorded coup d’etat and created America’s first Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We look at recent initiatives to document the state’s historical legacy of racial violence, and explore how these events have informed people’s attitudes and politics today
http://www.wamu.org/programs/kn/06/06/08.php#10508
I have no problem with historians or any private citizens studying the past, but having the government pay for, promote, and say one version is the truth bothers me.
The Kojo radio show is usually outstanding – so I guess he is a “house n—–“ to some.
OK, here’s the latest plot twist :
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4251472
“The accuser told the sexual assault nurse that she had consumed one drink of alcohol and was taking Flexeril, a prescription drug used to treat muscle spasms.
(snip)
“The accuser told the nurse that Roberts (the second dancer) assisted players in the alleged sexual assault and that the second dancer stole her money and property, the motion said.”
(snip)
“The motion points to a statement from Johnson saying the accuser engaged in sexual activity with at least four different men from March 10 to March 12.”
(so now we have twenty white males rapping her,
later lowered to four; then to three; and
then the second dancer helping them. How big
is that bathroom, anyway?)
Duke magazine (goes to parents, still have to pay for it, you’d think after $42K for tuition they could send you a free magazine, but no) came today, the cover has an empty lacrosse net and the title is “Lacrosse Lesson”. The content is dated, and I haven’t gotten the courage to read it all, because a quick scan of it shows it is pure pc bs, poor unwashed athletes just don’t get it, blah blah blah. If I get the guts to wade through it I’ll report back. tatercon, Watford’s is in Bishopsville, home of the famous sc cotton museum!! Kemp
ps lashawn I must have 10 pop up blockers on my PC cause I keep turning them off and spell check still doesn’t work. We spelling challenged need the help.
Seahawk, Just read the WRAL story, would like to note that Crystal said Kim stole her money, a point I suggeted several weeks ago on the first long comments section. Crystal was so drunk she forgot she left the money and her cell phone at the house, but she thought Kim had it. She didn’t think about the money until the cops took her in and she started looking for bail money, and had none. Easyest way home, cry rape. While at the hospital she is thinking all the time Kim done stole her money. No honor among hookers. Nifong WILL be disbarred for this blantant unethical behavior. Kemp
Rivera on fox just said if nifong doesn’t come up with something soon, he is going to be disbarred. Even the media is starting to see the facts. Kemp
Kemp,
With all due respect, I really think you are reading too much into the theft angle.
People of a certain social group, more often than not, when they “lose†money will jump to the conclusion that someone stole it – which is often likely to be half true. If you leave, lose your purse or wallet in a bar, unless it’s a country club bar, more likely it’s going to be stolen. (I can’t recall where all the money was found, but I think only $160 was found in the house, so I would not be surprised if some of the boys picked up some of the money on the way out)
Plus, it’s easier claim theft than to admit being an idiot for losing my purse/wallet.
I don’t think she was raped, but if she were raped and lost her money, I would not be surprised to hear a victim also assume theft.
Of course, if she said she definitely saw (not just think) someone steal it, that’s another story. I still have to read the Variety Fair interview, not that I expect it will add much.
I doubt that the second stripper or anyone would 1) rob a victim and 2) call the cops herself as part of the getaway plan.
Also, one does not get bailed out of a mental hospital. But she appears to be a very good story teller, and it’s difficult to tell if Nifong beleives her. I don’t think falling for a woman’s lies is grounds for disbarment.
NY Times has a report, centering on the troubling role of rookie investigator Benjamin Niman in his presentation to Judge Stevens to get search warrants.
1. He told the judge that the rape exam showed “signs consistent with rape” while ommitting the actual rape exam report was filled out by a trainee, not a SANE nurse and that doctors found no sign of the trauma claimed by the accuser. The claim that condoms were not used was not brought to the judge when DNA warrants were sought.
2. The judge was not told by Himan the accuser had ALSO accused Kim Roberts of being in the bathroom and assisting in the rape, also of stealing the stripper accuser’s stuff. The judge then issued no warrants to search Kim Roberts possessions or to test her for signs of the bathroom rape.
3. Himan also ommitted exculpatory evidence from the Judge when seeking the warrants that the 2nd stripper claimed that she was with the other stripper the whole time but for a 5 minute gap and that the 2nd stripper called the rape story a “total crock”.
4. NYTimes reports the stripper’s father is now saying the poor dear is “too upset” to testify and it make take years before she is ready to testify about her ordeal.
5. And that Himan misled the judge on the contents of the rape exam and failed to notify the Judge there were substantial differences between the accuser’s statements and the medical forensics.
Where this goes is seeming to get clearer. Nifong has immunity. Police, due to longtime concern about railroading suspects, do not. Benjamin Himan appears to be in serious hot water, unless he tells the Judges involved that it was not his call to leave out exculpatory evidence impacting 4th Amendment probable cause rights.
If Himan does point the finger at higher-ups, he is likely OK from prosecution, but any lawyers who told him to conceal evidence have a date with the ABA sanctioning committee and the original Judges who may have issued improper warrants that violated suspect rights.
The blood is likely to run.
UNK – “it’s difficult to tell if Nifong beleives her. I don’t think falling for a woman’s lies is grounds for disbarment.”
If Nifong was behind ordering Benjamin Himan to conceal evidence when Himan sought search warrants in a 4th Amendment hearing with the Judge, disbarrment may be an ABA – Court recommended sanction. And if Himan concealed evidence from the Grand Jury in mischaracterizing the rape kit, the contradictions in the accusers testimony, and evidence involving the 2nd stripper – both he and any higher ups that suppressed evidence bearing on reasonable cause findings of the Grand Jury are both liable under “railroading” statutes for Grand Jury tampering. Normally a prosecutor can get away with it, but not when reports show somebody lied to the Grand Jury.
(I suspect motions are already drafted to request a neutral judge review the discovery evidence and the Grand Jury testimony to see if Himan or Nifong made false testimony)
Chris,
The probable cause arguments discussed in the NY Times article, seem like a nonissue to me, just like any theft accusations
link
The NYT merely repeats defense arguments. I think the boys did give police consent to search in the first few days, making the argument somewhat academic, beyond the delay in searching most likely since no one believed the accuser.
Even the word of a drunk “escort†alone is usually enough to be probable cause for search in a serious case. When it’s a rapist or murder potentially getting away, courts are likely to downplay privacy concerns.
In my opinion, the mistake was not in doing the search, but the mistake was in continuing the case without any evidence obtained in the search.
Chris Ford said: “If Nifong was behind ordering Benjamin Himan to conceal evidence when Himan sought search warrants in a 4th Amendment hearing with the Judge, disbarrment may be an ABA – Court recommended sanction.”
Chris, that would be the North Carolina State Bar, not the ABA, with the authority to yank a lawyer’s license…..
What did I say?????? Sex toys!!!!!!
#10- Tate—– Susan Estrogenich actually wrote a column about why would the accuser lie?????? Even me, a former nurse, simple housewife and mother of boys can offer up a multitude of reasons as to why a woman would lie and say she was raped. Again, I say, Help us!!!! The clowns are running the circus!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s insulting to circus clowns.
I bet you never even talked to a circus clown in your life.
A circus clown would not take the word of an escort trying to avoid being committed without any collaborating evidence.
A circus clown would not know this, but a great detective would realize that the alleged gang rape profile does not match any known profiles and is either a fabrication or a first.
The saga continues!
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Calypso Louie is now circling the wagons in a last ditch attempt to make some face time over this! Do these people have no brains? If they are so supportive of the accuser/victim, why aren’t they outraged that the first time she claimed she was raped(as a child of fourteen), no one followed up on the case??? Why don’t they go after the three men she claimed brutally raped her as a child? Is there a statute of limitations for sexual assault against a child? Why doesn’t Louie go after the first group of three???? Is it because they are reportedly black? Or is it because everyone knows these claims are probably also false? Can one of the lawyers that frequent this blog or La Shawn explain to me why the first claim of rape, of a minor child, was not followed up by the Dept of Child Services and the police? I thought when a minor is involved, there has to be some sort of follow up!
Belle #67, IIRC, they did follow up. I seem to recall reading that they did interview the men. The trouble, I’m sure, was that she didn’t present her allegations to authorities until 3 years after the fact. By that time, any physical evidence would almost certainly be gone — assuming any ever existed. And you’d be left with the word of someone who didn’t report till 3 years after the fact against denials by the folks she accused. That’d be a pretty tough case, I would think, to overcome that “reasonable doubt” thing.
UNK, please elaborate on your 4th paragraph in post #66. What elements would there be in a gang-rape profile?
Thanks
Greg, thanks for the info, however, I am still not clear on this, as many people who abuse children seem to be convicted much later, when the child is an adult. Why don’t these groups who support the stripper/accuser help her go after those men? It certainly isn’t because of a lack of evidence for the first claim of rape, because it appears that there is no evidence in this current case, either. The only thing that seems obvious to me is that this case involves white men, while the case from years ago involves black men.
UNK,
Orginally the cops took her to the drunk tank, but her behavior was so weird they they drove to the crazy ward. I am thinking Crystal had no clue where she was, with the flexial and beer working on her. You are right though, the theft thing is only about the relationship between kim and crystal, not the boys. The latest report about the boys carrying her to the car is what I was told on campus, months ago. Nothing I have heard on campus has changed one bit since the first day. No lies here. This women is a NUT, that also explains the email from the pysco movie. It is time for Nifungu to cut his loses and moved on before he sees the MAN for his acts. The lawyers the boys have are not to be fooled with. THIS is personal now and they will have their day in court. June 22, my wife’s birthday, should be a good day for the boys, God willing. Kemp
Belle, that’s a good question. I have no particular expertise in this area. I do remember reading about a couple such cases over the last few years where arrests were made long after the fact. They followed police-tape-recorded conversations in which the accuser called the alleged perp on the phone and got them to talk about and admit the prior molestation. In the absence of any physical evidence, a tape-recorded admission might just be enough corroborating evidence to get you over the hump, so to speak. Can anyone else confirm or elaborate? Thanks.
Kemp, this might be slightly off topic but since you’re from Duke, perhaps you can answer. If I were a Duke Lacrosse player, I wouldn’t want to return after seemingly being hung out to dry and being publicly scourged by the administration. Is this kind of a misperception? Was there more support on campus for the LAX guys than we’ve been lead to believe? Thanks.
A simple search online for info on Flexeril yields:
FLEXERIL may enhance the effects of alcohol, barbiturates, and other CNS depressants.
Who knew? Taking alcohol on top of a muscle relaxant will knock you on your @**.
Belle said, at 67: Can one of the lawyers that frequent this blog or La Shawn explain to me why the first claim of rape, of a minor child, was not followed up by the Dept of Child Services and the police? I thought when a minor is involved, there has to be some sort of follow up!
I don’t know the answer to your question, Belle … juvenile and DSS stuff isn’t my area of practice. But I can offer up a recollection from when the news of the earlier “rape report” came out a few weeks ago — didn’t the station cop in the small town (Roxboro?) mention he had taken a verbal report from the accuser (by then almost 18), and after filling out his form,he then asked for a more extensive written statement from her? If she disappeared from the station without complying with a request to provide a narration of a 3 year old event, then maybe the officer set the “form report” aside to see if she would return and provide more info. Seems like a reasonable thing to do before asking other departments to get involved in an extensive investigation.
Was there more support on campus for the LAX guys than we’ve been lead to believe? Thanks. asked Greg, at 73.
Greg: I’m hearing there’s a lot of support for the LAX team boys from students on the campus who know them. It’s the administration types and the ones who don’t know them yet have their own “agenda driven notions” that threw them under the bus in the early going.
Student sold and sold out of Tshirt that said “Innocent” on them as I recall. Women lacrosse players put similar message on their headbands while playing in the NCAA tournament. Birkenstock wearing double soy latte sipping professors ( inlcuidng one President)? Different story entirely but these days the radicals on campus occupy the Professors offices not the student center.
For inquiring minds with nothing better to do with their Friday afternoon, the entire report (sans the sealed medical records of the accuser) is online:
http://www.wral.com/download/2006/0609/9346930.pdf
Greg,
My son will be a senior, I will bet that every lacrosse game will have a full house. I don’t know any student who is not supporting the team, of course, my son probably doesn’t hang out with “those people”. Two of his frat brothers are on the team and seilgman’s girl friend lived next door to him. Still can not get over women living in the same dorm as guys, WEIRD. Duke is a small school, which many folks don’t understand, only about 1200 students in each class. Take out the foreign students and you’ve got less than 1,000 kids in a class. All students until their senior year must live on campus, I think a good idea. All freshmen live on an entirely seperate campus (east) which makes each class pretty tight. No, they all want to come back, except the three that left. I heard they were not playing anyway. When these guys get the charged dismissed, June 22, I am hoping, there will be great celebration on campus among the students, the lefty professors will, of course, be embarassed, but what else is new. Kemp
SLEE, Thanks for posting the WRAL link. Anyone who reads that and still thinks Nifungu has a case is brain dead. I am thinking Nifungu and Himan are the ones looking at some serious legal problems. Sorry, Lashawn, I’ve got to bring this up, does any know if Himan is a Black officer? Race is in everything else about this case, so the question needs to be asked. Kemp
Answered my own question with a little help from google, Officer Himan is white. kemp
“UNK, please elaborate on your 4th paragraph in post #66. What elements would there be in a gang-rape profile?”
Greg,
Keep in mind that one can’t use a profile in court, and it’s also a logical fallacy to argue from generalities to specifics (most rapes are committed by blacks, so this rape was committed by a black).
Most people making up a false crime would not say an 80-year-old white man mugged them, since 80-year-old white men rarely mug, and everyone knows it.
But everyone does not know how murders or rapists act, making it very difficult to “stage†a murder scene or rape.
The most common gang rape is a handful or less of drunk or high men and a drunken woman who don’t realize consent has not been given – who think the woman wants it – or pushing the limits of consent.
It is virtually unknown for three or more stranger rapists to 1) find their fellow rapists when the police can’t find them, and 2) decide to commit rape together, especially 3) in such a short period and 4) with a larger group nearby.
Of course there are some people who think that all/white men are rapists which explains 1 through 4 above, but in my opinion these people are about as smart as the KKK who believed 1 through 4 about n——-. DNA evidence has also refuted this “frenzy†gang rape theory.
Anyone who reads that and still thinks Nifungu has a case is brain dead. I am thinking Nifungu and Himan are the ones looking at some serious legal problems.
I think it’s more of a tunel vision thing:
One is reminded of J.K. Galbraith’s incisive observation: “Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.”
Like the Energizer bunny, this case just keeps going on and on and on and. . .
Now it seems there were at least SIX photo ID lineups…
(hard to identify people who weren’t even there, I guess. . .)
http://www.wral.com/news/9350653/detail.html
“Do these people have no brains? If they are so supportive of the accuser/victim, why aren’t they outraged that the first time she claimed she was raped(as a child of fourteen), no one followed up on the case??? Why don’t they go after the three men she claimed brutally raped her as a child? Is there a statute of limitations for sexual assault against a child? Why doesn’t Louie go after the first group of three???? Is it because they are reportedly black?”
That’s an excellent point Belle.
“Susan Estrogenich actually wrote a column about why would the accuser lie??????”
Susan Estrich was herself raped years ago and wrote at least one short book on rape that I know of.
I would suspect that most of the victims that feel the need to talk with her have actually been raped at least in their view of nonconsent. I doubt false accusers feel the need to discuss their “rape.†This biased sample leads many rape activists to feel that no women would lie about it.
At least being raped by a black man did not turn her into a racist, but it does seem to have turned her slightly sexist in my opinion.
“UNK, please elaborate on your 4th paragraph in post #66. What elements would there be in a gang-rape profile?”
I can answer that. “The Color of Crime” 2005 edition, published by The New Century Foundation reports:
“The NCVS tells us that interracial multiple-offender offenses are even more lopsidedly black than interracial crime as a whole. In fact, whereas blacks committed 10,000 gang-rapes against whites between 2001 and 2003, the NCVS samples did not pick up a single “white”-on-black gang rape. Overall, blacks committed an average of 251,000 multiple-offender violent crimes against whites per year between 2001 and 2003, and “whites” committed 32,000, which means blacks were the perpetrators 89 percent of the time.”
(scare quotes appear around white because the federal government likes to play games with its definition of white, at least in perpetrator categories – when dealing with victims, suddenly hispanics are their own category. See here for example of local government playing the same game:
http://tinyurl.com/nw4jg )
http://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/TCoC2005.pdf
Full disclosure: TNCF is the NGO of Jared Taylor, the much-hated race-realist. The kneejerk reaction is to assume that anything a “racist” produces must be a lie, but the National Criminal Justice Reference Service links to TCoC right next to links to studies by the ADL and the FBI.
More to the point, Taylor and TNCF foundation are infamous in leftist “anti-racist” circles and if they could’ve debunked anything about TCoC they would’ve by now.
Here are the “debunkings” of TCoC of which I’m aware. Read them carefully, and note the lack of “de” in this bunk:
http://tinyurl.com/g38v4
http://tinyurl.com/qzsyl
Anyhoo, do your own reading on TCoC. I’d be delighted to learn of any new debunkings.
The upshot of all this? White men simply do not gang-rape black women. I am aware of more white-on-black gang-rape hoaxes (Brawley, Mangum) than actual white-on-black gang-rapes.
Sorry, forgot to label that first link; it’s to “The Color of Crime” 2005 edition PDF.
Oops, double goof. The second link is to TCoC, and I didn’t Tiny URL it so no need to label it.
Also, I forgot to link the National Criminal Justice Reference Service page I mentioned:
http://tinyurl.com/fagto
Getting back to Pres. Brodhead at Yale, I am not so sure the conduct was clearly wrong at Yale. Suppose faculty advisor was sleeping with his student advisee, who ends up dead. True, prof did not kill her. But, if he is sleeping with her, he is properly (in discretion of President) shown the door. I cannot prove the prof was sleeping with the now-dead student, but it looks like that may have been the scenario. Otherwise, how does prof get nominated as possible killer? Anyone have any details on that point?
This things needs an investigation by the federal attorney in N. Carolina for violation of the civil rights of the players; and for possible misconduct by Nifong
in maybe not fully disclosing all the relevant facts in obtaining his warrant;
possible witness intimidation (the cabbie, at least one and possibly both of the dancers; etc.);
possibly not turning over all relevant information to the defense as required by discovery;
inciting the public about the case (70 interviews, plus rallies);
plus probably a few other things
the legal types are aware of.
Clearly he is not going to investigate himself;
and I don’t think the state power structure in NC is up to it. That leaves the feds.
Who’s going to clean up Durham?
Seahawk,
I have some faith in the NC Bar to take care of this. The Democrat power structure will ignore it like they have the Speaker Black payoffs. I know the US Attorney, he’s up for a Fed judgeship now, so they are in transistiion. They would be hard pressed to get involved now. Wait, as I told Lashawn earlier, we have long knives and this is not over. Kemp
I can also ask how does it reflect on Duke that not one of their faculty (aside from the women’s lacrosse coach) has come out in favor of at least the presumption of innocence; while 88 signed a petition against the accused?
Are they all intimidated?
Duke also has a law school; and this case is sure to be studied as an example of prosecutor misconduct. Is it going to be said then that all the Duke law professors just remained silent during this time? (Hardly good for their reputation. . . )
“I can also ask how does it reflect on Duke that not one of their faculty (aside from the women’s lacrosse coach) has come out in favor of at least the presumption of innocence; while 88 signed a petition against the accused?
Are they all intimidated?” —– Q by Seahawk, @93
Hawk, I don’t think “intimidated” is the word. Maybe “predisposed” by their “agenda driven notions” explains things better.
I’ll commend for your reading pleasure (well, blood boiling pleasure…) two books: One, by the famous David Horowitz, “THE PROFESSORS, The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America” and the second by a good conservative professor at UNC-W, Mike Adams, titled “WELCOME TO THE IVORY TOWER OF BABEL, Confessions of a Conservative College Professor.”
Having read both, I’m not surprised at all that Brodhead, the faculty and the “independent committee” have thrown the team under the bus.
Of course, it also would explain why the same mindset has prevailed over at my alma mater, Carolina, as they completely avoid labeling the Islamic Jeep Jihadist as a terrorist … oh, I’m sorry, he’s merely disturbed, and must have been misunderstood by us all. (Insert finger down throat now ….)
Story in today’s Washington Post about Duke Parents, fluff story with no meat, but sort of pro Duke. I early posted that I thought there was a chance that the us attorney might act in this case. I now think there is little or no chance. My friend the current us attorney is up for a judgeship, must be confirmed by senate. He can not afford any controversy now. His assistant, will take his place. I think that has to be confirmed too, but if not, he will not take over until Frank is confirmed. So Nifungu will skate through because of the confirmantion timing. MAYBE in a year from now, the new US attorney, G. Holden, will take him on. Holden’s from a VERY big family in Eastern NC, they own 1st Citizen’s Bank, the 3rd largest bank in the state, so Holden won’t mind the heat. Kemp
I agree with TaterCon. There were several falculty who were very verbal to publicly condemn these boys, yet to date only the current coach has the integrity to stand up as a real leader and role model for these boys, while every other falcuty memeber seems to be self-serving politicians and cowardly fair-weather friends all too ready to turn tail and run at the first sign of a passing shower.
I know the US Attorney, he’s up for a Fed judgeship now, so they are in transistiion. They would be hard pressed to get involved now. Wait, as I told Lashawn earlier, we have long knives and this is not over. Kemp
Kemp, I hate to say it, but either Republican Senator could pocket veto your friend’s Fed judgeship if they are unhappy no one intervened in possible civil rights violations, DA misconduct, police misconduct, was a “reluctant but knowing party” to the embarassment of North Carolina and it’s legal system.
With the 3 accused having non-refundable bills topping 100K, non-accused players bills already averaging 12,000 a family – there will be a strong drive within and without the Duke Community for some repercussions – on the stripper, by Brodhead’s alumni fundraisers, on Nifong, on Durham, etc.
Perhaps the easiest target may be the rookie Lead Investigator. While Nifong is fairly protected from liability in many ways by his elective office , Bejamin Himan is wide open due to laws that permit the “burning of cops” for knowingly railroading citizens. [Unless Himan was ordered to conceal evidence from Judge Stevens bearing on probable cause warrants and what was selectively given to the grand jury by him - by someone Himan may want to discuss at another grand jury rather than see his law enforcement career end with felonies].
Other police, including the experience SGT Gottlieb, may one day have to explain who instructed him to arrest a witness, go into question players knowing they had retained council, who told them to willfully violate state and Durham police Dept lineup procedures. And name the person withing the Durham Police Dept that constructed the Wanted Poster of all the players, and exactly who if anyone within CRimestoppers requested the Poster be made in hundreds of copies so names and faces could be plastered all over town.
S.Lee posted this link to the Motion filed by the defense on Friday.
http://www.wral.com/download/2006/0609/9346930.pdf
It is vital reading for anyone interested in the truth of this case because it includes the entire handwritten statements of Kim the second dancer (before she got $$ signs in her eyes) and of Crystal’s driver. These are simply amazing documents.
As a former prosecutor here in California, it is simply inconceivable that this case was filed with no DNA evidence and these two witness statements. And the conduct of the investigator in distorting the statements in his summary for the warrant is so outrageous that it seems he must have been pressured to do so by someone up higher. Why would he do it on his own?
The stripper originally claimed that the second stripper helped with the rape!
Just when you think this case hit rock bottom, you find a sub-basement.
If Mike Nifong doesn’t get disbarred after this, then there really is a corrupt system in Durham that protects rich white guys.
AFFIDAVIT OF COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO SUPPRESS NON-TESTIMONIAL PHOTOGRAPHS
3 (b) The probable cause affidavit implies there is no question that [deleted] was sexually assaulted on March 14, 2006, at 610 N. Buchanan by three men. But three days before Investigator Himan signed his affidavit, March 20, 2006, at 10:10am., Investigator Himan interviewed Kim Pittman, the only eyewitness to the events of March 14, 2006, at 610 N. Buchanan. Before Ms. Pittman was granted extremely favorable bond consideration by District Attorney Nifon personally on april 17, 2006, she told investigator Himan [ deleted ] allegation that she was sexually assaulted was a “crock.†Instead Investigator Himan alleged that [ deleted ] “reported that she was sexually assaulted for an approximate 30 minute period.â€
3 (e), (8) She told Investigator Himan first that she had consumed a 24 ounce bottle of beer and thereafter that she had consumed two twenty-two ounce Ice House beers. Finally, She told the S.A.N.E nurse in training that Kim Pittman assisted the players in her alleged sexual assault and that Kim Pittman stole all her “money and everything.â€
Seahawk:
“Duke also has a law school; and this case is sure to be studied as an example of prosecutor misconduct. Is it going to be said then that all the Duke law professors just remained silent during this time? (Hardly good for their reputation. . . )”
We should recall that Coleman is with Duke law school, as is Ekstrom, one of the defense counsel.
Both have done their bit to help the lax players. There has also been a call (two op eds) by a Duke prof for a lie detector test of AV.
That said, there might have been a “teach in” or two about how to conduct a rape prosecution.
Most of the top law students at top law schools are focused on getting jobs paying $125-$150k per year (to keep loan expenses under control) and do not spend much time with “blue collar” crime (like rape).
Faculty tend to teach what the students want to study – corporations, tax, IP, civil procedure, contracts, property, etc.
Maybe two one-semester courses (criminal law and criminal procedure) make up the full exposure of the typical Duke law student to rape-type matters.
If one asked Prof. Cheminsky (Duke’s star in constitutional law and prosecution areas) why he has done zero publicly, he would probably say he was not asked to do anything.
This is probably an ok answer (since the parents of the lax players are well-heeled), and consistent with the idea that judges (and lawyers) should generally not speak and opine in public about cases of non-indigents unless and until properly assigned the cases. Too many cooks could spoil the broth, right?
“If one asked Prof. Cheminsky (Duke’s star in constitutional law and prosecution areas) why he has done zero publicly, he would probably say he was not asked to do anything.”
A legal lynching affects the entire community of which he is a part. He can perch on Olympus all he wants, but he’s still invovlved merely by being in Durham and at Duke, whether he wants to be or not.
A simple letter recalling the worthiness of maintaining a presumption of innocence might not have been out of order (as well as decrying publication of pictures of the entire team, the wanted posters, the circus-like atmosphere of the court procedings, etc.)
A line to Pres. Brodhead and the 88 rush-to-judgment faculty about waiting for the trial before condemning the accused would also have been a properly administered reproach.
And another first for a violent rape “victim.â€
I saw this on Fox, but did not believe it until I read the handwritten account by the second stripper.
She is the first known violent rape victim to want to return to her rapists since there was more money to be made – after the alleged rape in addition to the fist time they returned after the broomstick handle “joke.”
Of course “anything†is possible, and the second stripper could be confused, but she was so concerned about the in her words “crazy†stripper would return to the house after being carried to her car, she locked her in her car.
I have noticed that lately there is much made about the racial slurs allegedly yelled at the strippers by the boys. While this is certainly nasty, there were earlier reports of the slurs being in response to racial slurs about the size of white men’s genitals’. It seems to me that now that the case is falling apart, there is a renewed focus on the white to black racial insults. I guess they will continue to try to destroy these kid’s lives, no matter what. To tell the truth, it would not surprise me if Kimmy’s version is enhanced. Does anyone think Kim will be charged for accessory to rape, since she apparently was implicated?
Chris, I wish that you were right. Frank is not a whimp, but he is rather young. Neither of the NC Republican Senators are going to put a hold on a boy who I went to the 80 GOP convention with. He will sail under the radar and get confirmed, absent some high profile move, aka, going after nifungu. Then I could see Red nose Teddy or Boxer putting a hold on him to please the brothers still on the plantation. Holden will go after Himan and the crew is all good time, and trust me, I certainly appreciate your concern over the tuition screwing these parents got. Story in NY Times today, 6/12, about Nifungu’s case. There also was a column in Sunday Times editorial page both VERY good for the boys. Kemp
Some interesting articles… See links below:
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_13088.shtml
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27266325.shtml
“Nifong may yet face challenger:
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/449748.html
White people don’t rant and rave because as soon as they do the black community screams racism! And you all know I’m right! A newspaper interview w/students from the accusers school: They should go to prison even if they didn’t do it just becuse of what’s happened in the past!!? What the #*&@!!! But as usual he will not be referred to as a racist becuse supposedly black people can’t be racists. And Kim Roberts, her *** needs to be put behind bars for lying and then trying to sell it to a PR firm asking how she can use this to her advantage. I am sick of being people trying to make the white people feel ashamed of their skin color. Why is it that just because these Duke players come from money they are considered the enemy. Just because they come from wealth they’re automatically rapists who can get away with this. Wealth doesn’t make you anymore likely to commit a crime. It’s the black community that rants and raves that they are poor and commit crimes because the white man keeps them down. You can’t have it both ways.
“And Kim Roberts, her *** needs to be put behind bars for lying and then trying to sell it to a PR firm asking how she can use this to her advantage. ”
You anti-Kim crowd are really shooting one of the best defense witnesses even though she has obvious fluid relationship with the truth.
First, it’s totally irrelevant if Ms. Roberts THINK it’s “crook†or something happened in a bathroom. Ms. Roberts, like every other witness is good for testimony about FACTS that she saw or heard.
Ms. Roberts confirmed that 1) the amount of time the alleged victim (AV) was alone was very short, although I am sure she was not timing it, 2) that the AV did not cry rape in her presence, 3) that the AV was delusional about having her bag in her hands 4) even after the alleged rape, the AV wanted to return again for more money and 5) the AV was not even able to provide her address for a ride home.
There is nothing wrong about benefiting from PR or expressing an opinion. Ms. Roberts could lecture on any theories she wants. Only changing and selling testimony is a crime.
“White people don’t rant and rave because as soon as they do the black community screams racism!”
I think it’s only some of the black community screaming, as I think some in the white community would scream, but because of past discrimination, the black community has a very high solidarity and very few, except some like Ms. Barber, go against the community.
I’m closing this post to comments. I’m working on a post about the latest defense motion:
http://www.wral.com/download/2006/0609/9346930.pdf
Read it, and laugh. Mike Nifong is a foolish man. I hope to have the post up in the next hour, so check back later.
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