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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-2/#comment-73039</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a government clearance.  I was hired to do a job, not elected to effect government policy.  During the inbrief I was asked what my reaction would be to seeing classified material that indicated government actions to which I was opposed.  My reply then, as now, is that it isn&#039;t my material (information); it belongs to the government.  Further, most clearance holders are not allowed to see the whole picture, only the small part they are responsible for.  Compartmentation of information limits the knowlege that any one person may have about a project.  This, hopefully, limits the damage any one person can do but it can also mean that one person may think what he is revealing is small but is in fact a small part of a large picture.  This means that the damage done by one person can have effects far more extensive than they can see.

There are many ways to profit.  Some like money.  Some like power.  Others like to feel that they&#039;ve done something important.  I&#039;ve heard it said that money is the root of all evil.  You can buy a lot of evil with money but the real root of evil is pride of self.

In order to do something we need motivation, profit from that particular enterprise.  The lack of a money transfer isn&#039;t proof of a lack of profit.

When someone with a clearance takes information that they have been entrusted with and releases it  into unauthorized channels he is stealing.  Probably, he (or she) has seen that condor movie and sees himself as the heroic revealer of government evildoers.  Or, maybe he sees himself as an important whistleblower.  Whatever they see themselves as they are just thieves.  And the agencies that trade in stolen goods are just fences.  There isn&#039;t any nobility in trading in the merchandize of thieves.

There are some undeniable truths about those that abuse the trust of a clearance:
1.) They know they are doing something illegal.

2.) Their actions undo the good work done by the other 99.9% of their co-workers.

3.) They place their own pride above their integrity and the wellbeing of their Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a government clearance.  I was hired to do a job, not elected to effect government policy.  During the inbrief I was asked what my reaction would be to seeing classified material that indicated government actions to which I was opposed.  My reply then, as now, is that it isn&#8217;t my material (information); it belongs to the government.  Further, most clearance holders are not allowed to see the whole picture, only the small part they are responsible for.  Compartmentation of information limits the knowlege that any one person may have about a project.  This, hopefully, limits the damage any one person can do but it can also mean that one person may think what he is revealing is small but is in fact a small part of a large picture.  This means that the damage done by one person can have effects far more extensive than they can see.</p>
<p>There are many ways to profit.  Some like money.  Some like power.  Others like to feel that they&#8217;ve done something important.  I&#8217;ve heard it said that money is the root of all evil.  You can buy a lot of evil with money but the real root of evil is pride of self.</p>
<p>In order to do something we need motivation, profit from that particular enterprise.  The lack of a money transfer isn&#8217;t proof of a lack of profit.</p>
<p>When someone with a clearance takes information that they have been entrusted with and releases it  into unauthorized channels he is stealing.  Probably, he (or she) has seen that condor movie and sees himself as the heroic revealer of government evildoers.  Or, maybe he sees himself as an important whistleblower.  Whatever they see themselves as they are just thieves.  And the agencies that trade in stolen goods are just fences.  There isn&#8217;t any nobility in trading in the merchandize of thieves.</p>
<p>There are some undeniable truths about those that abuse the trust of a clearance:<br />
1.) They know they are doing something illegal.</p>
<p>2.) Their actions undo the good work done by the other 99.9% of their co-workers.</p>
<p>3.) They place their own pride above their integrity and the wellbeing of their Country.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to remember that &quot;freedom of the press&quot; is not freedom for some particular group of people or some particular industry. It is like freedom of speech or freedom of religion, the freedom for everyone to do certain things. All people have the right to publish information and opinions.

These rights are not unlimited. I, you and the NYT can not legally publish copyrighted material (w/o permission). I, you and the NYT can not start riots with our speech. If the government leakers had given La Shawn the information about this program  she would have had the same rights to put it on her website as the NYT had to publish it in their paper. If it is illegal for us ordinary joes to publish this stuff, it is illegal for the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to remember that &#8220;freedom of the press&#8221; is not freedom for some particular group of people or some particular industry. It is like freedom of speech or freedom of religion, the freedom for everyone to do certain things. All people have the right to publish information and opinions.</p>
<p>These rights are not unlimited. I, you and the NYT can not legally publish copyrighted material (w/o permission). I, you and the NYT can not start riots with our speech. If the government leakers had given La Shawn the information about this program  she would have had the same rights to put it on her website as the NYT had to publish it in their paper. If it is illegal for us ordinary joes to publish this stuff, it is illegal for the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: seal-lover</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72742</link>
		<dc:creator>seal-lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jan!

I miss you!</description>
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<p>I miss you!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72684</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognize the press is an important freedom, it&#039;s one of the most solid ways to keep the nation in check,  without newspapers, television, and bloggers, your average american would have no idea what&#039;s going on in our government.  I must in this case defer to something I read that was written by Bill Mahr (when will he run for president?)  In his book &quot;When you Ride Alone, you Ride with Bin Laden&quot; he states that there&#039;s a different breed of people, who treat war differently.  During the World Wars, we went to war, and the people at home were asked to save metal, fabric, grease, food, silk, people started victory gardens.  The war on terror begins and what are the President&#039;s orders?  Go, drive your SUV&#039;s to the mall and buy things.  What happened to understanding that some times, to protect your rights, you must sometimes surrender them for the greater good.  People aren&#039;t willing to sacrafice for victory anymore.  Even the article claims the project was effective, limited, and well managed.  So I ask, what would it have costed the NYT not to publish it?  They&#039;re clearly not worried that the rights of americans are being violated.  Meaning they&#039;re doing it because it&#039;s something they think will make people buy their paper, I don&#039;t think is worth even potentially risking a program that does some good.  If there was any doubt in their mind that every single terrorist knew about the program, they should have shut their mouth.  That&#039;s all there is to it, it was sensationalist and as of right now, I put the NYT right next to the newspaper in the check out line telling me that Tony Danza was abducted by aliens, cause I dont care if the terrorists know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize the press is an important freedom, it&#8217;s one of the most solid ways to keep the nation in check,  without newspapers, television, and bloggers, your average american would have no idea what&#8217;s going on in our government.  I must in this case defer to something I read that was written by Bill Mahr (when will he run for president?)  In his book &#8220;When you Ride Alone, you Ride with Bin Laden&#8221; he states that there&#8217;s a different breed of people, who treat war differently.  During the World Wars, we went to war, and the people at home were asked to save metal, fabric, grease, food, silk, people started victory gardens.  The war on terror begins and what are the President&#8217;s orders?  Go, drive your SUV&#8217;s to the mall and buy things.  What happened to understanding that some times, to protect your rights, you must sometimes surrender them for the greater good.  People aren&#8217;t willing to sacrafice for victory anymore.  Even the article claims the project was effective, limited, and well managed.  So I ask, what would it have costed the NYT not to publish it?  They&#8217;re clearly not worried that the rights of americans are being violated.  Meaning they&#8217;re doing it because it&#8217;s something they think will make people buy their paper, I don&#8217;t think is worth even potentially risking a program that does some good.  If there was any doubt in their mind that every single terrorist knew about the program, they should have shut their mouth.  That&#8217;s all there is to it, it was sensationalist and as of right now, I put the NYT right next to the newspaper in the check out line telling me that Tony Danza was abducted by aliens, cause I dont care if the terrorists know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72664</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has served in this country&#039;s navy, I must say that I find the whole situation inconceivable.  The NYT is not the classifying authority for this type of information and, that being the case, should not be allowed to publish it.  The NYT&#039;s claim that it did not believe that the information was classified is proof that it is lying since they were contacted by the USG and asked not to publish.

Just as a refresher to the reader:

Top Secret (TS)
The highest level of classification of material. Such material would cause &quot;exceptionally grave damage&quot; to national security if publicly available.

Secret
Such material would cause &quot;serious damage&quot; to national security if publicly available.

Confidential
Such material would cause &quot;damage&quot; or be &quot;prejudicial&quot; to national security if publicly available.

Restricted
Such material would cause &quot;undesirable&quot; effects if publicly available. Some countries do not have such a classification.

Unclassified
Technically not a classification level, but is used for government documents that do not have a classification listed above. Such documents can be viewed by those without security clearance.
*from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_classification&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;

That word &quot;grave&quot; means exactly what you would think.  Someone will in all probability die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has served in this country&#8217;s navy, I must say that I find the whole situation inconceivable.  The NYT is not the classifying authority for this type of information and, that being the case, should not be allowed to publish it.  The NYT&#8217;s claim that it did not believe that the information was classified is proof that it is lying since they were contacted by the USG and asked not to publish.</p>
<p>Just as a refresher to the reader:</p>
<p>Top Secret (TS)<br />
The highest level of classification of material. Such material would cause &#8220;exceptionally grave damage&#8221; to national security if publicly available.</p>
<p>Secret<br />
Such material would cause &#8220;serious damage&#8221; to national security if publicly available.</p>
<p>Confidential<br />
Such material would cause &#8220;damage&#8221; or be &#8220;prejudicial&#8221; to national security if publicly available.</p>
<p>Restricted<br />
Such material would cause &#8220;undesirable&#8221; effects if publicly available. Some countries do not have such a classification.</p>
<p>Unclassified<br />
Technically not a classification level, but is used for government documents that do not have a classification listed above. Such documents can be viewed by those without security clearance.<br />
*from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_classification" rel="nofollow">wikipedia</a></p>
<p>That word &#8220;grave&#8221; means exactly what you would think.  Someone will in all probability die.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I canâ€™t seem to write short posts anymore like normal bloggers. Whatâ€™s going on? Once I get startedâ€¦&quot;

That&#039;s because you&#039;re NOT a normal blogger.. :)

&lt;em&gt;Thanks, Fred. :) - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I canâ€™t seem to write short posts anymore like normal bloggers. Whatâ€™s going on? Once I get startedâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because you&#8217;re NOT a normal blogger.. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Thanks, Fred. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Craig C</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72628</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still trying to figure out what all these people have to hide, who are angry about the government tracking their banking and overseas phone calls.  Even if there were something nefarious going on (vast right wing conspiracy), the government doesn&#039;t have the resources to go after you because you are gambling online or something else as innocuous.  But if you are money laundering for a drug dealer or to help terrorists, then don&#039;t try to hide behind your &quot;right to privacy&quot;.
Craig C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what all these people have to hide, who are angry about the government tracking their banking and overseas phone calls.  Even if there were something nefarious going on (vast right wing conspiracy), the government doesn&#8217;t have the resources to go after you because you are gambling online or something else as innocuous.  But if you are money laundering for a drug dealer or to help terrorists, then don&#8217;t try to hide behind your &#8220;right to privacy&#8221;.<br />
Craig C</p>
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		<title>By: The Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You people&quot;  

Watch for that one, it is the pet phrase of the bigoted.  


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You people&#8221;  </p>
<p>Watch for that one, it is the pet phrase of the bigoted.  </p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveDinMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveDinMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were up to me, I&#039;d execute a search warrant at the Times building with 1000 deputy U.S. marshals in riot gear with battering rams.  All the computers and paper files should be seized and impounded pending a thorough search.  After being unable to publish for a month or so, they&#039;d be permanently out of business.  Arthur Sulzberger is the Usamma Bin Laden of the American press, boldly and cheerfully enabling mass murder of our citizens.  For this country to survive, both he and his vile Communist rag must be destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were up to me, I&#8217;d execute a search warrant at the Times building with 1000 deputy U.S. marshals in riot gear with battering rams.  All the computers and paper files should be seized and impounded pending a thorough search.  After being unable to publish for a month or so, they&#8217;d be permanently out of business.  Arthur Sulzberger is the Usamma Bin Laden of the American press, boldly and cheerfully enabling mass murder of our citizens.  For this country to survive, both he and his vile Communist rag must be destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that the NYTimes should be tried.  They are abusing their freedoms when they expose secrets that in turn hinders our defenders from doing their jobs.  The fact that they&#039;ve done this not only once, but two and possibly three times has alot of people at their thresholds of tolerance.  

I think the reason they won&#039;t be tried is because this administration respects the freedom of the press.  Any move against the paper would be reported as censorship or worse, plus, we don&#039;t need any gov&#039;t officials advocating the take-over of any newspaper or news organization a la Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.  State sponsored media could result with the wrong person in office.

If the gov&#039;t prosecutes, the NYTimes will squeal like a pig about it, so they have to decide if its worth the bad press.  However, if this happens again, I don&#039;t think the public will stand for it and action will be taken. God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that the NYTimes should be tried.  They are abusing their freedoms when they expose secrets that in turn hinders our defenders from doing their jobs.  The fact that they&#8217;ve done this not only once, but two and possibly three times has alot of people at their thresholds of tolerance.  </p>
<p>I think the reason they won&#8217;t be tried is because this administration respects the freedom of the press.  Any move against the paper would be reported as censorship or worse, plus, we don&#8217;t need any gov&#8217;t officials advocating the take-over of any newspaper or news organization a la Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.  State sponsored media could result with the wrong person in office.</p>
<p>If the gov&#8217;t prosecutes, the NYTimes will squeal like a pig about it, so they have to decide if its worth the bad press.  However, if this happens again, I don&#8217;t think the public will stand for it and action will be taken. God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H-m-m-m... Are the NYT cum LATimes cum WSJ divorced from concern for the nation and simply chroniclers of uncovered information? 

Suppose that during WWII Roosevelt decided to make a run to liberate the internees (he knew the details, but refused to act) from concentration capms such as Dachau,  would these same papers have printed the plans under the philosophy of &quot;screw the Jews, our readers have the right to know&quot;?

This would not have been treason. A few more incinerated Jews would not have had any much effect on the progress of the war. In fact, as Roosevelt decided, it would have been a military distraction.

In fact, Roosevelt had fairly good intelligence about the plight of the Jews. So did the NYT and the WSJ and probably the LATimes, but they all kept mum and let them burn. Roosevelt was even confronted with the &quot;Sophie&#039;s Choice&quot; of bombing the concentration camps to destroy the internees and the ovens and system for perpetuating the atrocity and he looked the other way: all without any newspaper intervening with the right of the people to know.

The Bush administration burrows into the minutia of terrorists hiding money and all of a sudden the newspapers decide this is so important that people need to know that the earth is about to be thrown off its axis.

While the First Amendment was written to protect political speech, it is highly questionable if it was ever meant to anoint unelected, irresponsible journalists with immunity from impeding the orderly (if secret) progress of the public interest.

I recoil at the &quot;treason&quot; argument; it is as far off center as the reporting. I can only ask the NYT, et al. to tell us what side they are on. If they say:&quot;the truth&quot; it is a lame and cliched answer.

 If &quot;the truth&quot; is the goal, they would report that Al Franken is a no-talent loser, Helen Thomas is ugly and senile, most of their advertisers are charlatans, social security is busting the budget and will sink the next generation, global warming is conjecture at best, journalists are not objective, money talks and Hitler was right (along with Machiavelli) about &quot;the big lie.&quot;

Von Clausewitz is credited with saying &quot;war is diplomacy by other means.&quot; Well, the NYT, et al. have shown that journalism is &quot;politics by other means.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H-m-m-m&#8230; Are the NYT cum LATimes cum WSJ divorced from concern for the nation and simply chroniclers of uncovered information? </p>
<p>Suppose that during WWII Roosevelt decided to make a run to liberate the internees (he knew the details, but refused to act) from concentration capms such as Dachau,  would these same papers have printed the plans under the philosophy of &#8220;screw the Jews, our readers have the right to know&#8221;?</p>
<p>This would not have been treason. A few more incinerated Jews would not have had any much effect on the progress of the war. In fact, as Roosevelt decided, it would have been a military distraction.</p>
<p>In fact, Roosevelt had fairly good intelligence about the plight of the Jews. So did the NYT and the WSJ and probably the LATimes, but they all kept mum and let them burn. Roosevelt was even confronted with the &#8220;Sophie&#8217;s Choice&#8221; of bombing the concentration camps to destroy the internees and the ovens and system for perpetuating the atrocity and he looked the other way: all without any newspaper intervening with the right of the people to know.</p>
<p>The Bush administration burrows into the minutia of terrorists hiding money and all of a sudden the newspapers decide this is so important that people need to know that the earth is about to be thrown off its axis.</p>
<p>While the First Amendment was written to protect political speech, it is highly questionable if it was ever meant to anoint unelected, irresponsible journalists with immunity from impeding the orderly (if secret) progress of the public interest.</p>
<p>I recoil at the &#8220;treason&#8221; argument; it is as far off center as the reporting. I can only ask the NYT, et al. to tell us what side they are on. If they say:&#8221;the truth&#8221; it is a lame and cliched answer.</p>
<p> If &#8220;the truth&#8221; is the goal, they would report that Al Franken is a no-talent loser, Helen Thomas is ugly and senile, most of their advertisers are charlatans, social security is busting the budget and will sink the next generation, global warming is conjecture at best, journalists are not objective, money talks and Hitler was right (along with Machiavelli) about &#8220;the big lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Von Clausewitz is credited with saying &#8220;war is diplomacy by other means.&#8221; Well, the NYT, et al. have shown that journalism is &#8220;politics by other means.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The defenders of the New York Times can deny it until the cows come home, but the leftist agenda of the NYT is as obvious as it is despicable.

The Times should change its motto from the highly inaccurate &quot;All The News That&#039;s Fit to Print&quot; to the more honest &quot;All the news that Howard Dean says to print.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The defenders of the New York Times can deny it until the cows come home, but the leftist agenda of the NYT is as obvious as it is despicable.</p>
<p>The Times should change its motto from the highly inaccurate &#8220;All The News That&#8217;s Fit to Print&#8221; to the more honest &#8220;All the news that Howard Dean says to print.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jan brauner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72559</link>
		<dc:creator>jan brauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seal-lover said &quot;Gregdn, If you really wish for your home not to burn to the ground, I wish you would find your way to city hall and fill out an application to be a firefighter. Or, if you expect your neighborhood to be safe, apply to the police department. If youâ€™re not willing to take either of those jobs, you shouldnâ€™t expect to be protected should you?&quot; 

Exquisite response from an exquisite thinker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seal-lover said &#8220;Gregdn, If you really wish for your home not to burn to the ground, I wish you would find your way to city hall and fill out an application to be a firefighter. Or, if you expect your neighborhood to be safe, apply to the police department. If youâ€™re not willing to take either of those jobs, you shouldnâ€™t expect to be protected should you?&#8221; </p>
<p>Exquisite response from an exquisite thinker!</p>
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		<title>By: SteveDinMD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72557</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveDinMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lukeNC Said: &quot;Not news to me. Iâ€™m sure the govâ€™t tracks all kinds of things about us we have no idea about, Iâ€™m concerned with what they do with the info.&quot; 

SteveDinMD: That&#039;s very interesting.  I&#039;m impressed, but perhaps the rest of the world lacks your omniscience.  Simply put, if it weren&#039;t news, the Times wouldn&#039;t have printed it, and the story wouldn&#039;t have generated such controversy.  Denying the damage by arguing that there was, in effect, no disclosure because it is widely known that &quot;...the Government, err, tracks stuff...&quot; and sources such as this are consequently foreseeable by the enemy betrays either the ignorance or the disingenuousness of the person making the argument.  

Remember; back in 1942 it was widely assumed that governments regularly attempted cryptanalysis against their enemies&#039; cipher systems.  Information pertaining to the success, or failure, or specific targets of such attempts was extremely damaging to disclose.  The same holds precisely true in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lukeNC Said: &#8220;Not news to me. Iâ€™m sure the govâ€™t tracks all kinds of things about us we have no idea about, Iâ€™m concerned with what they do with the info.&#8221; </p>
<p>SteveDinMD: That&#8217;s very interesting.  I&#8217;m impressed, but perhaps the rest of the world lacks your omniscience.  Simply put, if it weren&#8217;t news, the Times wouldn&#8217;t have printed it, and the story wouldn&#8217;t have generated such controversy.  Denying the damage by arguing that there was, in effect, no disclosure because it is widely known that &#8220;&#8230;the Government, err, tracks stuff&#8230;&#8221; and sources such as this are consequently foreseeable by the enemy betrays either the ignorance or the disingenuousness of the person making the argument.  </p>
<p>Remember; back in 1942 it was widely assumed that governments regularly attempted cryptanalysis against their enemies&#8217; cipher systems.  Information pertaining to the success, or failure, or specific targets of such attempts was extremely damaging to disclose.  The same holds precisely true in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: lukeNC</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/07/03/loose-lips-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-72554</link>
		<dc:creator>lukeNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems we are missing the point here...

I dont see this as any type of treason or espionage whatsoever. The US tracking the banking records of suspected terrorists? I kinda figured this anyway, they&#039;ve been doing this for years. 

Not news to me. I&#039;m sure the gov&#039;t tracks all kinds of things about us we have no idea about, I&#039;m concerned with what they do with the info. 

Has the US not been tracking terrorist activity for years?

I dont like to give the terrorists credit, but I&#039;m pretty sure that they are smart enough to know that the government is tracking them.

Again, the hypocrisy...conservative leaning Wall Street Journal prints the same things, yet there is no response. 

When will those in power come to terms with what actually caused caused those attacks on 9/11? 

Determined terrorists helped by apathetic law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we are missing the point here&#8230;</p>
<p>I dont see this as any type of treason or espionage whatsoever. The US tracking the banking records of suspected terrorists? I kinda figured this anyway, they&#8217;ve been doing this for years. </p>
<p>Not news to me. I&#8217;m sure the gov&#8217;t tracks all kinds of things about us we have no idea about, I&#8217;m concerned with what they do with the info. </p>
<p>Has the US not been tracking terrorist activity for years?</p>
<p>I dont like to give the terrorists credit, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that they are smart enough to know that the government is tracking them.</p>
<p>Again, the hypocrisy&#8230;conservative leaning Wall Street Journal prints the same things, yet there is no response. </p>
<p>When will those in power come to terms with what actually caused caused those attacks on 9/11? </p>
<p>Determined terrorists helped by apathetic law enforcement.</p>
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