Sunday, August 13: Good articles:
- University students at centre of terror plots
- London bridges are falling down
- Integration into British society will not stop Muslim anger — touches on the inherent conflicts between Islam and the West
- UK’s tolerance has made it a breeding ground for militants
- IF YOU’RE A MUSLIM – IT’S YOUR PROBLEM
- Denial Is an Isle Across the Pond
Update II (8/11): Read blogger and journalist Mark Tapscott’s primer on how to catch terrorist thugs. (No Granny Grabs!)
Plot suspects’ names released. Hmmm….what do they have in common?
How the thugs were caught. And yes, it involves spying and sneaking around other people’s stuff without their knowledge or consent. Call the ACLU!
This gives a whole new meaning to the term “sleeper cells,” doesn’t it?
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It’s Islamofascists, not Islamic fascists.
But I’m impressed with your bold, politically incorrect attitude nonetheless. 
I’m coming to the big story a little late. Yesterday, the Brits foiled a plot by Islamofascists to commit more murder and mayhem.
Well done.
Coverage at Pajamas Media, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Wizbang…
Photo credits: ABC News, BBC, and AP
Update: More shady stuff. Walk (where?) like an Egyptian…
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No, LaShawn. It’s Islamic Fascists. Islamofascist is a vulgarism.
IT’S BEEN 5 YEARS SINCE 9/11 and our government still allows immigration from Muslim countries from the middle east. Not one policy has changed!
WHY, WHY, WHY?
In that case, I prefer vulgarity.
I believe that Michael Savage created the term “Islamofascist.” I am putting in my claim for “Islamopacifist” in the event the “religion of peace” ever grows a spine and stands up to their bloodthirsty, raisin loving, jihad fired, fanatic wing of beheaders.
I expect to see SUPPORT CAIR stickers on Democrat rolling bumper sticker bill boards any day now.
now where are those other 10 Egyptian students that are missing? Maybe, it will become important to our govt to find them now
Sorry to burst your bubble….
Today’s red level terror alert in symbiosis with escalation of conflict in the Middle East is the trial balloon for a massive staged false flag terror attack, blamed on Hezbollah or Al-Qaeda, that will light the blue touch paper for World War Three.
Radio host Alex Jones, who predicted a staged attack on the World Trade Center involving the use of Osama bin Laden as a fall guy in July 2001, has now gone on record with a second prediction that a staged government terror attack will occur before the end of October unless a gargantuan effort to prevent it is launched.
Only through a massively increased counter-propaganda effort on behalf of all truth activists can prevent an imminent cataclysmic horror show that will make 9/11 look like a walk in the park.
We have exhaustively documented that criminal elements in control of major western governments have carried out terror attacks and deliberately manufactured fake alerts for political purposes.
In 2002, then White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told the Washington Times that terror alerts were issued “as a result of all the controversy that took place last week,†referring to political heat bestowed on President Bush when 9/11 prior knowledge evidence first surfaced.
From this point onwards smoking guns of government complicity in 9/11 became intrinsically linked with fake terror alerts.
In January of 2003 FBI and CIA whistleblowers told Capitol Hill Blue that the White House was scripting phony terror alerts to maintain hysteria, upkeep President Bush’s approval ratings and milk extra defense funding. The report that five Pakistani men had entered the States via Canada and were planning on carrying out a dirty bomb or biological attack was completely conjured up by the Bush administration’s black propaganda office. New York Harbor was shut down to visibly pump up the fear. One of the named suspects, Mohammed Asghar (pictured left), was tracked down to Pakistan by the Associated Press. He was a fat guy running a jewellers shop and had never even been to America.
World Net Daily commented,
“Other sources within the bureau and the Central Intelligence Agency said the administration is pressuring intelligence agencies to develop “something, anything†to support an array of non-specific terrorism alerts issued by the White House and the Department of Homeland Security…CHB reported that FBI and CIA sources said a recent White House memo listing the war on terrorism as a definitive political advantage and fund-raising tool is just one of many documents discussing how to best utilize the terrorist threat.â€
Since those early admissions, every single major terror alert that the US, UK or Canadian government has issued has proven to be completely fraudulent and scripted.
Two months ago this website, in an article entitled ‘Nexus Points Emerge For Potential Summer Attack,’ predicted that, “Numerous nexus points have emerged that suggest major western governments are preparing for a summer terror attack that will come close to but not match 9/11 in scale and will provide the justification needed for an air strike on Iran before the midterm elections in early November.â€
Developments today indicate that the governments of the US and the UK are engaging in a process of announcing the prevention of numerous terror plots, in order to prepare the groundwork for a real attack, under protest that they did all they could to defend the people, but that one attack slipped through.
Arrests in the US, the UK and Canada of supposed terror cells that in each case turn out to be low grade morons, victims of government entrapment, or outright fabricated evidence, are part of this conditioning process.
We have provided links to all our investigations of these staged terror alerts and more at the end of this article.
Watershed leaps in the public profile of the 9/11 truth movement directly correlate to the staging of scripted terror alerts. Each time a new national poll is released showing more people questioning the official story of 9/11, a terror alert or a high profile terror arrest is announced. Last time around it was the arrest of Al-Zarqawi – now it’s a re-hash of Operation Bojinka – a plot masterminded by admitted US government agent Ramzi Youssef.
The ramifications for the freedoms of all westerners and the very lives of thousands of Iranians and Syrians, as well as US troops, are too grave to even contemplate.
We must be more vigilant that ever before in an more vocal in our efforts to educate the world about who benefits from terror and where the weight of evidence points towards.
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Seven Morons In A Warehouse
Sears Tower: US Government Creates Another Al-Qaeda Cell
Cooked Canary Wharf Terror Plot Recycled
Canadian ‘Terror Plot’ Begins To Unravel
Hyped Terror Raid Proves To Be Paper Tiger
Toledo Terrorists and Government Entrapment
Twenty-Three Intel Experts Say LA Terror Plot a Sham
Bush Plays Terror Card With Bogus LA Attack Plot
NYC Subway “Plotâ€: Just Another Fake Terror Alert
ALSO SEE: FAKE TERROR ALERTS ARCHIVE
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That’s some conspiracy theory!
Is this the 200th blog you’ve posted that on?
#6 Jason Williams: Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.
I was washing my hands at the sink when I saw a UFO hovering over my compost pile. I quickly dried my hands and grabbed a roll of tinfoil and ran outside. Before I could clear the two steps up to the driveway, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. A unicorn! Trying to eat the petunias. I ran back into the house and grabbed my shotgun. When I got to the steps, I saw the unicorn entering the UFO and the ramp go up. I fired twice and killed two radial tires on my VW turbo injected diesel Golf.
My neighbor, the wino, called the Salvation Army and now we are all sitting around the compost heap trying to make S’mores. Any suggestions?
y’all need to go easy on conspiracyman, there. as my father (or was he REALLY?!?) always says, “say what you will about tinfoil hats, but they ARE quite good at blocking out the CIA/NSA thought rays.”
and, BTW, jason, i googled “radio host alex jones’s” claim that “he predicted 9-11″, a few years back when i first heard of this. odd thing: i never could find one instance of proof that he actually did. found plenty of pages where he SAID he called it, but no actual….you know…..evidence.
probably swept into the memory hole by the CIA/NSA, no doubt.
Abolish student ViSAs.
Eliminate the ridiculous “exchange student” program.
If someone wants to study in the United States, let him, or her, immigrate legally.
The ViSA program is nothing but a sham. It’s a big racket that allows universities to collect big out-of-state tuition.
Ed – Actually, I saw a news article recently describing some science experiments suggesting that, if anything, tinfoil hats make it easier for the government/(insert agency of choice here) to read brain waves, even though that isn’t really possible. I’ll see if I can dig up a link.
And here it is… from Popular Science. It’s a Rovian plot that dates back to the 50s, I think. (How old is Rove, anyway? Can we really be sure he’s not ageless?)
At least President Bush finally used the “f” word (fascist).
Meanwhile, all the Europeasement types are trying to get the spin back to their “nothing to see here” mode.
BTW, on the tin foil hat study, they didn’t study the style used in the movie “Signs,” so that design still might work…
Dear All:
The commenters that planes would never be used is wrong and on a world-wide basis most are Muslim.
In the late 50’s there was one mosque in greater DC area paid for by Egypt. They have adopted the language of US civil rights concerning many things. Hesbollah(sp?) has done a lot of good with vast sums of money to win people to their side!
Universities need foreign students and their money. These people were supposed to go to one college and split to go many places.
James Barber
“The ViSA program is nothing but a sham. It’s a big racket that allows universities to collect big out-of-state tuition. ”
Except for a few for-profit schools, Universities and Colleges LOSE money on every student, since tuition only covers a small fraction of the cost. Alumni donations and state money for state schools pay the rest.
If anything, it’s a racket that foreign (and USA) students are getting a subsidized education.
NO fluids, no carry-ons, no electronic lock keychains, no matches, no books, no laptops, no iPods —-in the UK.
In America?
The usual media hunt to find people happy that everyone is suspect, ignoring the woman screaming she isn’t a G^%*** Muslim as she is forced to throw 80 bucks worth of makeup and find the dolts who go:
“If it means more safety, I’ll give up everything the government people ask me to surrender!!! They know what’s best for me.”
“Ohh, I don’t mind a bit waiting in this line with my 3 kids for 4 hours on the chance one of my kids is a Muslim terrorist. Then wait in the 2nd line to research us after initial security in the chance one of my kids got a juice container at one of 11 stores inside the security area. Could be full of liquid explosives!
Wait until the “Heroes of Law Enforcement” figure out that enemy Jihadi combatants are at least as smart as drug smugglers who impregnate clothing and “body pack” drug mules with pounds of drugs.
Then we will be in the strip and body cavity search regime (plus use of emetics to ensure stomach contents are ejected and verified not dangerous??) by the “Heroes”. After all, We can’t be too safe!! All to spare the “humiliation” of singling out not yet vetted and investigated Muslims.
Meanwhile of course, as the docile sheep are allowed to finally fly…the cargo hold underneath them that can have “undetectable liquid explosive galore” is well known to the enemy Jihadis as a critical weakness in security.
And if that hole is plugged, enemy Islamists will just find another air transport loophole or an easier target like a kids school or train station or sports event or shopping mall.
Most of these non-selective general security screening measures are hugely expensive and offer no security other than the illusion of safety – that the black guy next to you isn’t “packin’” a toenail clipper.
This is war. It should be fought assuming there is an enemy that can be sought out and killed…and if the Jihadi succeeds…take it out on his enemy support network –here or abroad, as you debate whether or not security will finally come down to banning radical Islamists from living in our society.
I believe it is a mistake to label terrorists as Islamofascists or Islamic Fascists. Words mean things. And nothing is more important than using words correctly. Using words incorrectly only leads to madness.
Fascism is statism, that is, a political philosophy that places primacy on the state over the individual. A fascist, therefore, is one who advocates fascism or statism over individualism.
There is no such political philosophy in Islam. Terrorists are not advocating a political philosophy but rather a theological one. Call them what they are: terrorists or Islamists. But do not call them fascists.
Fascism is dead. Terrorism is alive and well. The former is irrelevant. The latter may kill us all.
GawainsGhost – I disagree. The goal of the terrorists is essentially to establish a worldwide Islamist state. Sounds like fascism to me.
#19 GawainsGhost: Agreed, words mean things. But your post did not get it quite straight.
Fascism: Any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition. (Webster’s)
Theocracy: Government of a state by the immediate direction of God; thearchy; hence, government by priests, or ministers as representatives of God. (Webster’s)
When you combine the two they morph into one. Radical Islamists are bent on creating such states. Think Taliban, Iran and the Mullahs of Qom, Somalia, Pakistan and the teachings from the madrases, The Egyptian Brotherhood movement, Wahabbists, the Islamic radicals of Malaysia, etc.
What do you think the goal of Hezb’Allah is in Lebanon? What are the Chechnya “rebels” after?
A literal reading of the Koran leads to no other conclusion than a world under the rule of the Islamic theology. Such a world would not need a United Nations, just a ruling Mullah.
As much as a person might like to separate religion from the equation, these guys, the terrorists, are propelled by nothing but their religious fervor.
The rest of the world does not need to destroy them for their religious beliefs. The rest of the world needs to destroy them because of what they do….the actions they take….as a result of their religious beliefs.
Are all Muslims potential religious zealots who would murder non-Muslims? Not likely, but a look at Somalia will demonstrate what young people empowered to commit savagery will do.
And just how do we sit down and “mediate” with someone’s fundamental, fervent religious beliefs? This is where atheists really, really, really don’t get it.
Islamofascist is an excellent word whose time has come. Muslims across the world need to choose if they believe in the “religion of peace” or “Islamofascism.” Until they do and they begin to get their own house in order, they will all walk under the cloud of suspicion that is of their own making.
I agree. Fascism was a distinct type of political organization. The word has been used as a (lazy!) slur by leftists since at least the Spanish Civil War. If we want to describe the totalitarian, thought-controlling murderous aims of the terrorists with a perjorative term, I suggest Islamomarxists!
Communists had similar aims and a far higher 20th century body count, after all.
How long will it be before we are all flying in airport issued jumpsuits and flip flops?
And yet CAIR and their allies see nothing wrong with slurs like “Rethuglicans” and “Bushitler.” Nothing like the odor of hypocrisy.
Sorry to link-drop LaShawn, but this guy http://www.badeagle.com has much to say on this issue.
Regards
Buck
>>And just how do we sit down and “mediate†with someone’s fundamental, fervent religious beliefs? This is where atheists really, really, really don’t get it.>>
As usual, I agree with you. This is why Bush is the one who had to address this, and why Clinton couldn’t(although he _says_ he’s a Christian). Atheists make an assumption that anyone who is a believer in a supreme being – whether God or Allah – is simply ignorant, and education is the key to a change in the thought process. Education for muslims is simply a means of improving their means of harming us. We should not be allowing them unless they are US citizens already, diplomats, for whom nations carry recognized responsibility, or businessmen in good standing with proven records. Businessment on business travel should have _limited_ (as measured in days or weeks, not months or years) time allowed in the country.
No more students!
Calling all Pajamas Media bloggers:
we have an emergency. please go to steve janke’s blog IMMEDIATELY.
rabid moonbat in aisle 7.
do not dilly!
do not dally!
we need to bring the mofo down asap, if not sooner!
“Education for muslims is simply a means of improving their means of harming us.”
That is an awesome quote.
“If we want to describe the totalitarian, thought-controlling murderous aims of the terrorists with a perjorative term, I suggest Islamomarxists!”
Except that fundamentalist Muslims are ideologically conservative, while radically militant.
Well, Islam means “submission.” Thus, Islamofascism would mean “submission to a fascist state.” That is not the goal of terrorists.
Simply because Communism, Socialism and Fascism are totalitarian in nature, like Islamism, does not mean that these political movements are equivalent to a religious movement. The former are products of Western thought. The latter is not.
There is simply no political orientation in Islam; there is only Muslim and infidel, the House of Islam and the House of War. There are no political parties in the House of Islam, although there are warring religious sects.
Would you consider the Mullahs in Iran fascists? I wouldn’t. I consider them fanatics.
I think ascribing a Western political philosophy to a Middle Eastern religious movement is a mistake. These people are not fascists. They are terrorists or Islamists.
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LaShawn, the names were mostly Arabic. HOWEVER, there was one that did not have an arabic surname:
PATEL, Abdul, Muneem
DOB: 17/04/1989
Address: London, E5
From what I understand, Patel is an Indian name. I know that there are Indian Muslims, but I wasn’t sure how much AlQada was able to penetrate that population. This should be a major cause of concern.
It’s been commented that words means things; I also agree. Thus, my personal views would be considered irrational. I don’t care. “Islamo” anything doesn’t fit. But “subhuman sadistic slaves of satan” does.
Let’s go back to the wacky conspiracy guy. Those folks are fun to play with. And yes, I enjoy using prepositions to end sentences with.
Does anyone realize that George Bush’s middle name has the same number of letters as Lee Harvey Oswald’s? Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
Good Post LaShawn
Related:
GAO Agents Able to Enter Country with Fake Paperwork
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2006/08/us-homeland-security-still-not-ready.html
The Egyptians- They have located 8 or 9 of the 11 at this point.
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2006/08/egyptian-students-disappear-after.html
Want to see their pictures?
Innocent Students????? Hmmmm… You be the judge.
http://images.canadafreepress.com/images/hagmann0809.gif
Mark Steyn nails Islamofascism but good in the Chicago Sun-Times today.
Oh LaShawn, LaShawn…
You do understand that the ACLU defended the right of anti-abortion protesters to hawk their philosophy near clinics right? Or that unlike Britian we have a constitution that the government must abide by? In Britian they can hold people without charges under strict laws and the whole country is plugged into a big brother like closed circuit network? How many red blooded right wing Americans would be ok with that?? The ACLU may have its excesses, but I would much rather have them around than not.
To those on this website who seem to think all muslims are terrorists keep in mind the plot information came from Pakistani intelligence and a mole. Not from torturing people in Guantanamo.
#35 vikram: The torturing people at Gitmo is the great buried story of the blundering free press and the un-regulated blogs in particular.
It didn’t take long to identify the Green Helmet Man and amass a picture portfolio of his activities for the past ten or more years.
But the torture at Gitmo just can not be documented. (That is the torture of the detainees by the guards. There is plenty of documentation of the torture of the guards by the detainees.)
Where is the slightest shred of evidence that the detainees at Gitmo are being tortured? Just an itsy-bitsy, teeny-tiny little shred would do. Come on now, the whole world press and all the bizillion people who have relatives who have served at Gitmo and………..nothing! Just flatulence. The Left can do better than just talk conspiracy, can’t it? Well, can’t it? Hello?
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LaShawn,
It is impossible to accurately ascribe fascism to what these folks believe. Fascism is by definition a combination of several things to include corporatism and nationalism. The political philosophy of these folks predates that of fascism which is a western, not eastern tradition. As repugnant as their philosophy may be it is certainly not fascist.
In point of fact if either side in this conflict meets all or most of the defined criteria of fascist – corporatism, nationalism, anti-liberalism and extreme militarism it is best applied to the neoconservatives.
History will bear this assessment true; this is a battle of religious fanatics of a primitive political philosophy versus fascist. It is hypocrisy for Bush to apply the term fascist to his enemies.
The reason there is such a problem with semantics regarding the participants in this war is that it is a religious war: Islam versus Judaism and Christianity. Always has been. There is also a problem in knowing how to address it because the West has been so influenced by the Judeao-Christian ethic — even secularists have been saturated with it, despite their denials. As a result, it is unthinkable for the West, deeply influenced by teachings of Moses and Christ, to solve this problem as other societies would.
Jason Williams’ 8/10 post does highight what has been a peculiar string of politically convenient and remarkably timed “terror” busts. The post also brings up a major elephant in the room issue that I can promise you will only continue to gain momentum – government complicity in 9/11, the very event that has been used as the primary justification for wars of aggression, torture, illegal detention and illegal surveillance.
To those who would ignore the facts and instinctively scream “conspiracy theory” at every turn, I understand your desire to turn a blind eye to the growing evidence and increasingly mainstream questioning (see Lou Dobbs) of government involvement in 9/11. It is simply too painful to contemplate that the administration many of you have so steadfastly and uncritically supported could be orchestrating the very crimes against humanity that it assigns to Muslim terrorists (which occurs usually before any real investigation has even taken place – think “has all the hallmarks of al Qaeda” quotes by some government payroll terrorism expert the day of the event). You make tinfoil hat comments and brush aside what are put together, thoughtful and articulate rejections of official government explanations. I have still been given no good reason for why secret service protocol was abandoned on 9/11 after the second plane hit the WTC, clearly indicating that an attack on the country was underway. For the president to continue reading to the Florida elementary school class even after this was known is unbelievable given that secret service protocol demands that he immediately be whisked away to safety. The excuse that he didn’t want to upset the children is frankly insulting to anybody who doesn’t appreciate being lied to. This is just one of numerous glaring inconsistencies of 9/11 that have been completely ignored by a complicit mainstream press.
It is time that you awaken to the stark reality currently facing us. The enemy of this country is within, and the facts to prove this are piling up should you choose to acknowledge them.
a reasoned, rational (sort of) post there, john. and much more deserving of a serious reply than ol’ conspiracyman, so i’ll eschew my beloved tinfoil beanie bon mots. ok?
the problem is, the 9-11 conspiracy guys always seem to want it both ways, which, here in the real world, is a no-no. the conspiracists always seem to believe that secret service/DOD/NORAD/etc protocols not being followed on 9-11 is the smoking gun: proof of the sinister, massive conspiracy to enslave the moslems, or declare war on oceania, or whatever. their proofs consist largely of finger-pointing questions, such as the ones you’ve listed above: “why wasn’t bush whisked away from that school?” “why weren’t fighters scrambled & hot right away?” and the like. and, it seems to me, the conspiracists think that the fact that there WERE screwups that day is all the proof they need.
but why can’t we just assume that there were screwups that day because…wait for it….screwing up is what government does best instead of a conspiracy? why do screwups HAVE to indicate something rotten? hmm? the army air corps screwed up on dec 7, 1941: they had the nippon air attack wave spotted on radar long before they arrived.
but, being A)government employees and B)not aware that there was a war on, they ignored it. so was pearl harbor a government conspiracy, too? or does that not count, since there was a democrat administration in power then?
(ed takes it on home) and if it WERE all a top-secret dark conspiracy, wouldn’t the fiendishly clever conspirators have made SURE to get bush out of that school ASAP?? so as to avoid suspicion from folks like conspiracyman and his friends?
so which is it? are they evil masterminds or bonehead screwups? can’t have it both ways, amigo!
Thank you, Ed, for having the courtesy to supply a thoughtful and insult-free response. To answer your question, they are anything but bonehead screwups. In fact, I think they relish that label because it provides a cover for their very sophisticated crimes. Now, given Operation Northwoods which detailed an event like 9/11 well before 2001, I believe this is a conspiracy against the American people that was hatched well before this administration took office and one that goes way beyond just this administration. Ultimately, it is my ardent belief that Dick Cheney and George Bush Sr. will be shown to have played a major role in this attack along with Mossad and the CIA.
As for the secret service’s reaction, this is just one example of so many abandoned protocols on that day. These inconsistencies are throughly cited throughout the internet and I have spent way too much time detailing all of these inconsistencies in other posts. The fact that two of the 9/11 commissioners just came out and said that a portion of their work was whitewashed should quite frankly be the lead story on every news channel. The mainstrean media’s own whitewashing and refusal to cover aspects of 9/11 is a MAJOR smoking gun in my opinion. FOX News has recently had on so-called 9/11 conspiracy theorists simply to shout them down. To me, this is a clear indication that those complicit in this crime are aware and wary of those promoting an alternative to the official 9/11 fairy tale.
Ultimately, I would simply ask that those who instinctively throw out the conspiracy theory label research some of these issues themselves. Listen, I used to be a rah rah, America-can-do-no-wrong kind of guy, but it became clear to me after a thorough review of the facts that the official 9/11 story is simply untrue.
“so was pearl harbor a government conspiracy, too? or does that not count, since there was a democrat administration in power then?”
Figured I should comment on this as well. Pearl Harbor was absolutely a government conspiracy as it provided the impetus for American involvement in the war. This, of course, was the objective of the industrial imperialists – those of the same pedigree that profit off today’s wars.
I am not a democrat or republican. In fact, I loathe the current political landscape which was designed to divide this country. A country divided can never unite. We’re seeing that in spades today, and this was all by design. Research the Tavistock Institute for further information.
As a little addenda to this, you might be interested to see the BBC newsnight program from Monday night – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm (sorry, I’m not link-savvy)
Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei inexplicably explains that passenger profiling is wrong because the Muslim community is the victim in all of this. He also says that the way foward is to work with the local muslim communities to deal with the extremists in their midst. Which is a proven strategy. Not.
no, no, john – you’re doing it again. only now, you’re not only still trying to have it both ways, you’re using (poor) circular logic, to boot.
1)so 9-11 was foretold by ‘op. northwoods’, and the like? so the fact that they’d gamed/discussed a 9-11 scenario proves 9-11 was planned? ok, then: why didn’t they get bush out of that school quick like a bunny then? they’d PLANNED all this for years, right? i dunno about you, but whenever I run a sinister conspiracy, i make sure my minions follow standard protocol, so as not to alert any conspiracy buffs who might be watching. and yet they didn’t. which is it, john? evil geniuses or clumsy boneheads?
2)as for the 9-11 commission complaining of a whitewash, they did quite a bit of whitewashing themselves. jamie gorelick’s “wall” received exactly no interest from that commission, which is….odd. and makes their “whitewash” complaints a joke.
3) aaaand lastly, your proof of pearl harbor being a conspiracy is that “the industrialists wanted it to happen”. circular logic. it happened because….THEY wanted it to happen. so why then do we have income taxes now? and an EPA? and myriad governmental regulations, which no doubt vex the industrialists mightily?
wanting a thing to be true is not the same thing as making a case that it’s so. i’m happy to listen to your arguments, john, but only if you use real logic. none of that loopy stuff you’ve trotted out so far.
Ed, let me be very clear about this. If I could irrefutably prove that 9/11 was conducted by those in this administration, I’d be dead. I can’t “prove” a current cover up no more than you can prove 19 terrorists were behind the attacks. Neither of us are privy to primary source evidence. Simply put, I can only ask the questions that are being ignored, and I can only study the glaring inconsistencies in the official story and come up with my own conclusions. Listen, I don’t care if nobody believes me or thinks I’m some moonbat idiot. I’ve spent loads of time studying these so-called conspiracy theories and it is my honest belief that we are being lied to.
well then, john….there’s no point in any more discussion. you believe what you believe; no awkward questions, or application of logic of any kind is going to cause you to even question what you believe.
that’s actually very….um….not good. your belief that 9-11 was an inside job is based, by your own admission, upon your questions about the way the USG handled itself that day. (”why didn’t the secret service follow protocol and get bush out of that school and into a secure location?”) no way will you consider a non-controversial explanation (”because government employees screw up a LOT”,”it was the start of a brand-new war, only nobody knew it yet”); it MUST be a plot.
yet you’ll refuse to even contemplate using that ‘probing questions’ standard on your own ideas. (”if it was a plot, then why didn’t they get bush out of that school, so as not to alert conspiracy buffs?”)
where i come from, tendencies like that (”my own rules don’t apply to me or my beliefs; and nothing you can say will change my mind”)are considered to be a working definition of…..a fanatic.
i’d end this with a world-weary “think about it, john”. but you’ve already told us that you refuse to.
“your belief that 9-11 was an inside job is based, by your own admission, upon your questions about the way the USG handled itself that day.”
Of course. What else could I base it on? Too many people “screwed up” on that day, the secret service included. The secret service are not your run of the mill government employees. They follow protocol – period. The fact that they did not on 9/11 is of great concern to me. If it’s not to anybody else, fine. I really don’t care.
Just answer me one question, Ed: Is it totally and utterly inconceivable that the same administration that misled you into a war in Iraq is also misleading you about the one event that is used as the primary justification for that war?
John, did you see that guy on the Grassy Knoll? It was Karl Rove, I swear it was.
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