Of course. What else could I base it on? Too many people “screwed up” on that day, the secret service included. The secret service are not your run of the mill government employees. They follow protocol – period. The fact that they did not on 9/11 is of great concern to me. If it’s not to anybody else, fine. I really don’t care.

Just answer me one question, Ed: Is it totally and utterly inconceivable that the same administration that misled you into a war in Iraq is also misleading you about the one event that is used as the primary justification for that war?

that’s actually very….um….not good. your belief that 9-11 was an inside job is based, by your own admission, upon your questions about the way the USG handled itself that day. (”why didn’t the secret service follow protocol and get bush out of that school and into a secure location?”) no way will you consider a non-controversial explanation (”because government employees screw up a LOT”,”it was the start of a brand-new war, only nobody knew it yet”); it MUST be a plot.

yet you’ll refuse to even contemplate using that ‘probing questions’ standard on your own ideas. (”if it was a plot, then why didn’t they get bush out of that school, so as not to alert conspiracy buffs?”)

where i come from, tendencies like that (”my own rules don’t apply to me or my beliefs; and nothing you can say will change my mind”)are considered to be a working definition of…..a fanatic.

i’d end this with a world-weary “think about it, john”. but you’ve already told us that you refuse to.

1)so 9-11 was foretold by ‘op. northwoods’, and the like? so the fact that they’d gamed/discussed a 9-11 scenario proves 9-11 was planned? ok, then: why didn’t they get bush out of that school quick like a bunny then? they’d PLANNED all this for years, right? i dunno about you, but whenever I run a sinister conspiracy, i make sure my minions follow standard protocol, so as not to alert any conspiracy buffs who might be watching. and yet they didn’t. which is it, john? evil geniuses or clumsy boneheads?

2)as for the 9-11 commission complaining of a whitewash, they did quite a bit of whitewashing themselves. jamie gorelick’s “wall” received exactly no interest from that commission, which is….odd. and makes their “whitewash” complaints a joke.

3) aaaand lastly, your proof of pearl harbor being a conspiracy is that “the industrialists wanted it to happen”. circular logic. it happened because….THEY wanted it to happen. so why then do we have income taxes now? and an EPA? and myriad governmental regulations, which no doubt vex the industrialists mightily?

wanting a thing to be true is not the same thing as making a case that it’s so. i’m happy to listen to your arguments, john, but only if you use real logic. none of that loopy stuff you’ve trotted out so far.

Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei inexplicably explains that passenger profiling is wrong because the Muslim community is the victim in all of this. He also says that the way foward is to work with the local muslim communities to deal with the extremists in their midst. Which is a proven strategy. Not.

Figured I should comment on this as well. Pearl Harbor was absolutely a government conspiracy as it provided the impetus for American involvement in the war. This, of course, was the objective of the industrial imperialists – those of the same pedigree that profit off today’s wars.

I am not a democrat or republican. In fact, I loathe the current political landscape which was designed to divide this country. A country divided can never unite. We’re seeing that in spades today, and this was all by design. Research the Tavistock Institute for further information.

As for the secret service’s reaction, this is just one example of so many abandoned protocols on that day. These inconsistencies are throughly cited throughout the internet and I have spent way too much time detailing all of these inconsistencies in other posts. The fact that two of the 9/11 commissioners just came out and said that a portion of their work was whitewashed should quite frankly be the lead story on every news channel. The mainstrean media’s own whitewashing and refusal to cover aspects of 9/11 is a MAJOR smoking gun in my opinion. FOX News has recently had on so-called 9/11 conspiracy theorists simply to shout them down. To me, this is a clear indication that those complicit in this crime are aware and wary of those promoting an alternative to the official 9/11 fairy tale.

Ultimately, I would simply ask that those who instinctively throw out the conspiracy theory label research some of these issues themselves. Listen, I used to be a rah rah, America-can-do-no-wrong kind of guy, but it became clear to me after a thorough review of the facts that the official 9/11 story is simply untrue.

the problem is, the 9-11 conspiracy guys always seem to want it both ways, which, here in the real world, is a no-no. the conspiracists always seem to believe that secret service/DOD/NORAD/etc protocols not being followed on 9-11 is the smoking gun: proof of the sinister, massive conspiracy to enslave the moslems, or declare war on oceania, or whatever. their proofs consist largely of finger-pointing questions, such as the ones you’ve listed above: “why wasn’t bush whisked away from that school?” “why weren’t fighters scrambled & hot right away?” and the like. and, it seems to me, the conspiracists think that the fact that there WERE screwups that day is all the proof they need.

but why can’t we just assume that there were screwups that day because…wait for it….screwing up is what government does best instead of a conspiracy? why do screwups HAVE to indicate something rotten? hmm? the army air corps screwed up on dec 7, 1941: they had the nippon air attack wave spotted on radar long before they arrived.

but, being A)government employees and B)not aware that there was a war on, they ignored it. so was pearl harbor a government conspiracy, too? or does that not count, since there was a democrat administration in power then?

(ed takes it on home) and if it WERE all a top-secret dark conspiracy, wouldn’t the fiendishly clever conspirators have made SURE to get bush out of that school ASAP?? so as to avoid suspicion from folks like conspiracyman and his friends?

so which is it? are they evil masterminds or bonehead screwups? can’t have it both ways, amigo!

To those who would ignore the facts and instinctively scream “conspiracy theory” at every turn, I understand your desire to turn a blind eye to the growing evidence and increasingly mainstream questioning (see Lou Dobbs) of government involvement in 9/11. It is simply too painful to contemplate that the administration many of you have so steadfastly and uncritically supported could be orchestrating the very crimes against humanity that it assigns to Muslim terrorists (which occurs usually before any real investigation has even taken place – think “has all the hallmarks of al Qaeda” quotes by some government payroll terrorism expert the day of the event). You make tinfoil hat comments and brush aside what are put together, thoughtful and articulate rejections of official government explanations. I have still been given no good reason for why secret service protocol was abandoned on 9/11 after the second plane hit the WTC, clearly indicating that an attack on the country was underway. For the president to continue reading to the Florida elementary school class even after this was known is unbelievable given that secret service protocol demands that he immediately be whisked away to safety. The excuse that he didn’t want to upset the children is frankly insulting to anybody who doesn’t appreciate being lied to. This is just one of numerous glaring inconsistencies of 9/11 that have been completely ignored by a complicit mainstream press.

It is time that you awaken to the stark reality currently facing us. The enemy of this country is within, and the facts to prove this are piling up should you choose to acknowledge them.

It is impossible to accurately ascribe fascism to what these folks believe. Fascism is by definition a combination of several things to include corporatism and nationalism. The political philosophy of these folks predates that of fascism which is a western, not eastern tradition. As repugnant as their philosophy may be it is certainly not fascist.

In point of fact if either side in this conflict meets all or most of the defined criteria of fascist – corporatism, nationalism, anti-liberalism and extreme militarism it is best applied to the neoconservatives.

History will bear this assessment true; this is a battle of religious fanatics of a primitive political philosophy versus fascist. It is hypocrisy for Bush to apply the term fascist to his enemies.

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It didn’t take long to identify the Green Helmet Man and amass a picture portfolio of his activities for the past ten or more years.

But the torture at Gitmo just can not be documented. (That is the torture of the detainees by the guards. There is plenty of documentation of the torture of the guards by the detainees.)

Where is the slightest shred of evidence that the detainees at Gitmo are being tortured? Just an itsy-bitsy, teeny-tiny little shred would do. Come on now, the whole world press and all the bizillion people who have relatives who have served at Gitmo and………..nothing! Just flatulence. The Left can do better than just talk conspiracy, can’t it? Well, can’t it? Hello?

You do understand that the ACLU defended the right of anti-abortion protesters to hawk their philosophy near clinics right? Or that unlike Britian we have a constitution that the government must abide by? In Britian they can hold people without charges under strict laws and the whole country is plugged into a big brother like closed circuit network? How many red blooded right wing Americans would be ok with that?? The ACLU may have its excesses, but I would much rather have them around than not.

To those on this website who seem to think all muslims are terrorists keep in mind the plot information came from Pakistani intelligence and a mole. Not from torturing people in Guantanamo.