John Karr may or may not be a murderer, but he didn’t murder JonBenet Ramsey, according to the DNA. (See legal documents)
The strange-looking pedophile is free to seek attention elsewhere. Don’t ask me what I think he should do now or where he should go, because my answer wouldn’t be very “Christian.”
Columnist Bill Johnson and others called it. Skeptical from the beginning, I said authorities were grasping at straws and that DNA was the key.
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Update: The pervert is not free to go, apparently. He’s being held on unrelated child porn charges.
Update II (8/29): I’m not following the Duke case as much as I used to, preferring to wait for a major development. If you get bored at work today, read all 22 posts (good grief!) in the Duke Rape Case category. There’s a “Next Page” link on the left side at the bottom of the page, although it isn’t always visible. Drag your mouse over that area, and it should appear.
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Feel free to discuss the Duke case in this thread.
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Karr has had his 15+ minutes of fame. But given our media-driven culture, I think that this is just the beginning. If he plays his cards right, this could be his ticket to (more) fame and fortune than you or I will ever see in a lifetime of honest hard work.
They should have left him to rot in prison in Thailand.
Ditto!
Drudge is reporting he may be held in California on child porn charges. May be exonerated in Colorado, but maybe he’ll be off the streets anyway
I thought from the beginning that he was probably innocent of the murder, but it bothers me that he knows too much for what’s available. I’d sure want to know where he got that information…might he have direct contact with the actual? I think being a witness is a possibility, but not a probability…but still – where did his info come from? What about the handwriting thing? If his actually matches the note…how? In other words, could he still be involved somehow?
So DNA clears Karr–but what about the Duke 3? They left no DNA after struggling with their “victim” for 30 minutes and then raping her in every way possible?
Or–maybe they weren’t there?
Great case! I hope we find out what really happened, but somehow I don’t think we will. There are some really respectable opinions here, and based on the CHANGING and DIFFERING “facts”, it’s still a toss up. Here’s what’s so puzzling….
1- If a Ramsey did do it, what is the motive. I don’t see one at all.
2- I agree that Karr likely did not do it…except there were somethings in the ransom note with strike similarities to Karr’s writing, so I am not 100% clearing him. But I think it’s unlikely him at this point. Either way, not enough evidence to convict him.
3- Who could have known such intimate details of the Ramsey home AND the work bonus?
Conclusion…I don’t know, but someone once theorized that the boy Ramsey did it out of jealousy and the parents did a cover-up to save the boy. Except…who wrote the ransom note?
C’mon…let’s hear the lastest and great theories!
LaShawn,
I’ll have my crow with bbq sauce please. Right again. Sorry for calling you out so early.
Still can not believe DA’s are doing this stuff, like Nifungu, spending all this money and stuff for a total waste of time. OH, so no DNA means Karr is innocent, Call Nifungu and let him know about an honest DA. Why are we not seeing the connection to the Duke case? RACE!!! Go get em LaShawn!!
I live in a once great country that went to hell in a handbasket.
The courts may be imperfect, the police may never catch a break, but there is comfort in knowing that whoever killed that little girl is going to answer for it before God.
One way ticket to Thailand, let him rot there. no champagne i am sure.
Those in the mainstream media are left with egg on their faces.
I knew something was up when his family came out and were fishing for a book/movie deal.
What a nutball!!! And with the out of control media we have in this country… they just went right with it…falling right into whatever plan he had. I know the Bush administration loved it…. Iraq virtually disappeared from the face of the earth over the past 2 weeks. The really bad part is… the stupid media will cover this guy heavily for AT LEAST another 3 or 4 weeks AFTER he made a fool out of them.
It still doesn’t explain the ransom note….
I have always felt (from day one) that the parents knew more than what they told police.
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OFF TOPIC POST SCRIPT
On the subject that we were discussing last week- Muslims on a Plane:
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2006/08/report-on-racial-profiling-of-muslims.html
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com
Apparently, Karr wanted Johnny Depp to play him in the movie. I have the utmost confidence that one of those Hollywood producer beasts will no doubt make a movie about this animal and that poor, little baby. To even link the two names together in the same sentence is a sin and gives Karr exactly what he wants. I hope this country extradites him back to Thailand, so he can face charges there.
“so no DNA means Karr is innocent,”
I have not been following the Ramsey case, but TV reports notwithstanding, one does not let a confessed person walk just because there is no DNA.
Most likely it was “no DNA” and “inconsistent confession with evidence” and “no evidence of being within 1000 miles of crime”
Thanks La Shawn,
I wanted to post this yesterday but didn’t know where.
It looks like there’s a battle going on between support and non-support groups regarding Nifong’s re-election.
This first link was posted yesterday on WRAL.com. The second link was posted today, also on WRAL.com.
Group Forms To Support Nifong Re-Election Bid
http://www.wral.com/politics/9755407/detail.html
Duke Students Organize To Oust Nifong Over Lacrosse Case
http://www.wral.com/news/9754328/detail.html
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I have not been following the Ramsey case, but TV reports notwithstanding, one does not let a confessed person walk just because there is no DNA.
There is DNA; but the DNA at the crime scene doesn’t match Karr’s DNA.
(Ergo, like the cases of Alan Newton–22 years in jail until it was proven his DNA didn’t match; and Darryl Hunt–19 years in prison in N. Carolina until it was proved his DNA didn’t match–Karr’s DNA didn’t match, and so he wasn’t the killer.)
As for Duke, their DNA doesn’t match, either (only the AV’s boyfriend’s DNA was found inside her).
The saddest thing about this nutcake’s grandstanding is that it’s brought all the Ramsay-bashers out in force. (And shame on the jerk who said, “the Bush administration loved it.” That’s beyond decency.)
I have done some reading up on this case, and it’s clear from the evidence that JonBenet’s parents had nothing to do with her death. People just don’t like them because they don’t like the idea of putting young children in beauty pageants. I don’t particularly like it either, but to be quite honest I think people who are getting whatever they get from putting their daughter through that nonsense aren’t going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
“The saddest thing about this nutcake’s grandstanding is that it’s brought all the Ramsay-bashers out in force. (And shame on the jerk who said, “the Bush administration loved it.†That’s beyond decency.)”
Just to be clear, I didn’t mean that they loved the idea of the child being killed. I meant that they loved the idea that Iraq was pushed out of the spotlight for a good two weeks, while the media had an orgy about this guy. I STAND BY THAT 110%. You give the Bush administration too much credit. Are you blind to the unethical, evil activities that these people have been involved in? Angels they are not!!! With all that they have done, it is no stretch for them to enjoy the fact that the media has been diverted from Iraq for a few weeks. Notice that over the same period, Bush actually enjoyed a boost in polls.
Beyond Decency?
Let me tell you what is beyond decency….
It’s beyond decency to plunge the U.S. into an unecessary war under false pretences, leading to the deaths of 100,000 people (most of them innocent civilians).
It’s beyond decency to waste billions of our tax dollars overseas, while so much is needed here in our own country…. including homeland security needs.
It’s beyond decency for 1 in 5 children to live in poverty in the richest country in the world.
It’s beyond decency to scare the nation with terror alerts, & news segments, while leaving our borders unprotected. And it’s not just the borders themselves… it’s the policies of the immigration system related to who is allowed to enter the country. The policies of our immigration system allow for the same vulnerabilities that led to 9/11.
It’s beyond decency to attempt to bring back Poll Taxes and other barriers for American citizens to vote. One case that comes to mind was the case in Georgia where the Republican government attempted (and is still trying) to make Atlanta area voters to go several miles out of the city and out of the metro area to obtain the voter ID that was proposed. Of course…who does this hurt most? The poor, those without transportation, the elderly, minorities, and new citizens who might be confused by the law…. These groups collectively make up the majority of the population in the Atlanta area. And how do they tend to vote? They tend to vote for Democrat candidates. In this case a judge was able to stop the madness temporarily, but this is part of a wider Republican plan to disinfranchise voters all over the United States.
It’s beyond decency for 40+ million Americans to be without healthcare.
It’s beyond decency for Conservatives to declare war on the Judicial branch of government….even to the point of threatening the lives and physical well being of sitting judges.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to sit back and allow genocide to take place in Africa…. all because White Conservatives don’t see Black Africans as being human beings, with lives as valuable as Whites.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to blindly support a race and religion of people in the Middle East, just because the U.S. State religion of Christianity is connected to that of Israel…. And they provide this support even when it hurts wider U.S. interests.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to have double standards regarding how it deals with countries around the world.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to be just as vulnerable today as it was before 9/11.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to not prosecute companies (because they are fellow Republicans) for hiring illegal aliens, feeding the excessive influx of illegal aliens entering the U.S. from Mexico and other parts of the world.
It’s beyond decency to be at the mercy of foriegn governments becuase the U.S. is so energy dependent, even though we have the technology and the scientists to lead the world on this matter.
It’s beyond decency to allow the U.S. to lose its edge in technology, manufacturing, research, and other fronts.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. Congress to refuse to vote on a minimum wage increase (4 times over the last few years) while giving themselves an increase several times over the same period.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. Labor Department to teach employers how to avoid paying overtime.
(unprecendented for an agency that was originally created to watch out for the interests & the rights of workers and an agency that has been an impartial entity in recent decades).
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. government to spy on grandmothers who happen to disagree with something that the Bush administration has done.
Why is the U.S. wasting precious spy resources on old ladies when there are plenty of targets in the U.S. that i’m sure deserve watching? During this same period, we know that Al Qaeda has stated that they want to kill us. And we know there is a shortage of human intel assets.
It’s beyond decency for your government to lie to you….almost constantly. (I have to listen/watch foreign news to find out what the hell is going on in my own country).
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. “leadership” to put young men and women in harms way without the body armor that they needed, and without the proper armor on their vehicles. This is currently also a problem for the civilian drivers in Iraq…. no sufficient body armor and no sufficient protection. Many of them are dying all the time (and they are never qouted in the death numbers).
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to be involved in human rights abuses and atrocities overseas, and for the U.S. government to try to establish a double standard for U.S. soldiers around the world. Then, the U.S. demands that others honor international standards when our troops or civilians are captured.
It’s beyond decency for Conservatives to fight for the unborn but to allow children that we do have to go to bed hungry. Pro-life?
It’s beyond decency for Republicans to inject themselves into private family matters.
It’s beyond decency for Conservatives to try to establish an official national religion (although you have already done so in a defacto way).
It’s beyond decency to research, develop and produce new nuclear weapons when most Americans are consistently against these weapons (by a convincing 65-70% or more depending on what survey you read).
It’s beyond decency for the government not to protect personal information on it’s veterans.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. not to take care of its veterans.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. to cut financial aid for students with need who want to go to college.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. government not to aggressively (manhattan project style) push for massive new research and production of alternative fuel vehicles- because they are so allied to the oil industry and are controlled by the oil lobby which is against these new vehicles.
It’s beyond decency to leak the name of a national human intelligence asset for someones own political gain…. especially considering the fact that the asset was working on gathering information about a top enemy of the U.S.- IRAN.
And it’s even worse that they did it and got away with it.
It’s beyond decency that few in the U.S. government are ever held accountable for the crimes and mistakes that they are involved in.
It’s beyond decency to have a U.S. Congress that doesn’t take care of its oversight responsibilities, and instead rubber stamps whatever another branch of government wants to do.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. government to intimidate those in the media (those they don’t already control), and to block the scenes of coffins returning from war…. all in an effort to white wash & to control what Americans see.
It’s beyond decency for the U.S. government to hand out fabricated propoganda news releases to U.S. news agencies around the country (illegal by the way).
@ TAI…
Would it also be beyond decency to rage over canards, and NOT-the-rest-of-the-stories, all 110% of them?
How is the Bush admin even remotely, let alone solely, responsible for the majority of your talking points?
Back to the topic at hand… LaShawn, you were dead on wih your initial impression of this creep–and I totally concurred with your assessment at the time, howls of rage from the willfully blind notwithstanding.
Just goes to show that sometimes one can judge a book by its cover, scratch that, creep profiling does work.
“@ TAI…
Would it also be beyond decency to rage over canards, and NOT-the-rest-of-the-stories, all 110% of them?
How is the Bush admin even remotely, let alone solely, responsible for the majority of your talking points?”
–I never stated that the “Bush Administration” was solely responsible for these things. I hope I didn’t limit it to just the Bush Admin.
What I stated was Republicans/Conservatives are to a large degree responsible for these things, and/or could do something about them.
There has been one party controlling Congress, and the Executive Branch for quite some time now. Even both houses of Congress…. And to a large extent they also control much of the Judicial Branch. People make policy… policies don’t suddenly pop up on their own. These people are in charge and have made certain decisions that have led to or contributed to these incidents and conditions.
If that’s not clear enough for you, then you will never be able to see it no matter what.
But then again, (as I mentioned above) we are in an era where there is no accountability…. politicians in particular are not held accountable for anything, and this has been going on for so long that society at-large does not expect their leaders to be held accountable for anything, nor does the public really care if they are or not. The public feels helpless, as if there is nothing that they can do (and to a large degree, they are correct).
So under this climate, I can see why you don’t recognize the concept of accountability, especially as it relates to politicians.
To you neo-conservatives, all of these things have either been made up, never existed, didn’t happen, or are the fault of someone else, (particularly the minority Party without the power to decide a damn thing), etc… It’s never the fault of the guys who are actually in power and who have called the shots.
That’s the standard Conservative view on just about everything these days.
Your denial of reality is quite remarkable.
TAI, OK, that’s better. It’s not just Bush, it’s the dadgum conservatives who aren’t being held accountable. Or do you mean politicians of all stripes?
In any case, you’re fuming over a bunch of canards, half of which don’t really concern Government vis a vis the constitutional framers.
What left that does concern govt is stymied by competing interests — granted typyically political. Nevertheless, to push something thru, one generally needs a 2/3 majority. The reps/conservatives, as you put it, has never really had that kind of majority. And even if they did, it was only a paper majority, what with RINOs etc.
To wit, 1 in 5 children living in poverty is lamentable (I question that stat). However, how is that the government’s responsibility? To be blunt about it, most children living in poverty are victims of their parents poor judgment and decision process. It’s not like the parents didn’t have opportunities like education made available to help them rise above their environment. In a nutshell, we’ve come so far in providing the tools for success, now you want us to bail them out because a) Sally couldn’t keep her panties on while in school, b) John and Jane Doe couldn’t wait to get married after HS, instead of going to college, or at least waiting until after getting a decade of work behind them before starting a family, c) Tommy insisted on maintaining bad company and vices, d) etc.
As for hardluck cases where someone has fallen on bad times, hard work and good planning & resourcefulness tends to make that poverty only temporary. Again, what is the government’s role in this? Providing handouts or ensuring that their policies do not impign on one’s ability to recover?
On the matter of immigration, again, you have competing interests. There are vaid points on both sides of the aisle, consequently, compromises have to be made. I tend towards the stronger border argument, yet I realize that if our representatives vote for amensty as law, I’ll just have to live with it or throw the bums out. I’ll just point out that the notion of national boundaries is an extension of tribalism and therefore an artificial & arbitray construct. But if that’s what the people want, so be it.
If you’ll recall, the framers envisioned a limited federal govt, but once that camel of political power got its nose under the tent, it wanted to move in completely & permanently. Now instead of citizen governance (part-time government), we now have a culture of career civil service & politicians.
Take Bill Clinton, please, that clown has never held a real job since college, yet he feels Joe Public’s pain & hardship. Raise the minimum wage? Sure why not. I’ll just pass a law and make it so. Wifey wants national care? Sure, why not. Uh, oh. I just stuck my wet finger out there and survey says I better cut down on welfare moms.
I’m just glad that he did it, and against his better progressive wisdom, otherwise you’d be ranting about 1 in 3 kids living in poverty
Now for 2006, the dems are promising to undo the tax cuts on the ‘fatcats’, meaning that a family of 4 earning 60K will see a net doubling of their taxes next year if they win. Why? So the gubmint can redistribute their hard-earned cash to sloths, cronies and pet social projects. They might as well dump that cash in the pig slop for all the good it’ll bring.
Back to JonBonet, could it be that her case got cold due to inept career civil servants out to score political points? And yet you want more of the same competence? More gubmint interaction in our daily lives?
No thanks. Politics and governance is the one sector where less is more — a whole lot more, of which, most of your points, if true/accurate, would be rendered moot. Thank you very much!
TAI, 911 was beyond decency.
The Angry “Independent”???? I think it’s time for a name change.
The media’s fifteen minutes of shame.
All charges against the cabbie were thrown out by the judge.
All charges against the cabbie were thrown out by the judge.
Wonderful photo of him sitting calm and serene, with the two intimidating cops standing behind him.
(My caption for the photo : “The man the NAACP would not defend”)
But still an American we all can be proud of and an example for people of all colors.
I can add that the NAACP was singularly uninterested in the cook who was beaten by six white off-duty drunken cops, who used racial epithets in the attack (”Rodney King South”).
Strange. . .
Diane said: “The Angry “Independentâ€???? I think it’s time for a name change.”
SteveDinMD: It would appear that he/she mistook this for the “Communist Rant” thread. %^)
LaShawn,
Real Clear Politics has a link to Slate story about NY Times story and how bad it was. Jess, I read it and thought it was OK, but after reading the Slate story, I feel like a nut, course I bought into the Karr story, must me the heat nor old age.
NY Times story about Duke, two days ago sorry did not make that clear
“The Angry “Independentâ€???? I think it’s time for a name change.”
lol What?
I’m actually quite conservative on some issues…. more flexible on others…. all depends on the issue.
Seahawk, maybe the lack of “whitey” money and sex in the “beaten cook crime”, could explain the so called “black leaders’” reluctance to become involved. Also, the whole incident reflects so poorly on the police department that these leaders can’t afford to draw attention to it. Any complaint they may make could affect the Duke investigation in a very negative way, so they just choose to let it slide. I agree about the photo of Elmo and the cops. That photo says it all. It should frighten all people that these public servants have so much power over those they are meant to protect. This is a new sentiment for me, as I have always had the utmost respect for policemen.
#35
Any complaint they may make could affect the Duke investigation in a very negative way, so they just choose to let it slide
You can’t really be trying to tell me that the NAACP has invested so much in getting the Duke guys convicted (even meeting and praying in a Christian church with the New Black Panther Party and the NOI–both of which believe in the extermination of whites)
that it is willing now even to sacrifice the rights of innocent honest working stiffs who are getting rousted (and beaten) by white cops?
Doesn’t the NAACP abide by Dr. King’s words?
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Naw, I really just can’t believe that. . .
Oh, for the love of heaven . . .
Angry Nutcake, please.
You have just proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, why all decent people become conservatives. I hope and pray you will abandon your hatred and emotionalism some day, but I admit I hold out little hope. However, with God all things are possible.
I will pray for you.
Lots of news this morning about the Duke case; it seems the accuser is involved in at least five other investigations; and there are lots of documents which the DA has not handed over to the defense yet :
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-766289.html
In its filing this week, the defense also is pressing for more information about what happened in the hours after the alleged attack, particularly information regarding the accuser’s trip with police to the Durham Access Center, a mental health and substance abuse facility, for involuntary commitment. . .
The defense cites the lack of a substantive report about the accuser’s presence at the center, and the defense points to a blank check-in log as an example of inadequate information.
In addition, the defense wants to find out what was said at a meeting Nifong and police had with the accuser April 11 at the county courthouse.
(snip)
. . . the defense says . . . that an investigator — Sgt. Mark Gottlieb — in a typewritten narrative said Nifong and the accuser met and talked about the case.
It also appears the accuser in the Duke case has a curious history with the police dept. :
In an earlier incident she is charged with 10 felonies, including carjacking and trying to run over a Police officer, and a high speed chase thru 2 counties; but this is plead down to 4 misdemeanors and 2 or 3 saturdays in jail.
She then had representation by Woody Vann–a major power broker in Durham, and one who works well
with the insiders of the court system.
Some people therefore have speculated (speculation alert!) that she has been a snitch in some other cases, and for that reason has received favorable treatment; and that she is thus well-known to the police. (The policeman at Krogers on the night of the “rape” asked someone to check on her kids–something he evidently already knew about.)
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