Greg

P.S. Did you see that KC Johnson picked up on my point from #28 above. I might not have been the first to connect those two dots but I hadn’t seen it published anywhere until today.

The fallacy is believing that people will sacrifice their own self interest (go to jail, work) for the interests of their group.

Also applies to economics, but look in Wikipedia for a more detailed explanation.

Also the odds of getting the truth from one person, such a drunk whore, is hit or miss. The odds of not getting any one of 20, 30, 40 people to talk is the same as going to Vegas and winning 20 times in a row. Only an idiot could not get one, if not five to talk.

When I read the post, I was over served and really did not make much effort at it, but I still think the post, to be polite, was oblique.

I found the post confusing, sorry I misread it.

I see where Sgt. Gottlieb enjoys harrassing Dukies. Here is his email address, if anyone wants “Write” him. Have fun!! I am sure he will enjoy hearing from his new friends!!
mark.gottlieb@durhamnc.gov

Would a parent of a falsely accused player, knowing another teammate was guilty, let his/her son take the fall?? Would the innocent player’s parent(s)–knowing who was involved–sit by quietly while all this unfolds, just hoping the trial for their innocent son turns out OK?

Again my point: The actions of the players and players’ families provide some very compelling evidence nothing happened.

During the period May ’05 to Feb ’06, there were 4 supervisors working the area that includes Duke. Gottlieb made 28 arrests during that time. 20 of them were Duke students and 15 were taken to jail.

During that same period, the other 3 supervisors combined to make 64 arrests and only 2 of them were Duke students. The N&O story also says that most of those Duke arrests were for the kinds of things for which most people just get issued citations and sent on their way.

In other words, he’s got an alibi, and rather than take the fall himself, he’d have turned on his guilty teammate IF there’d really been a crime. The fact he hasn’t (and no one else has stepped in to keep Seligman from taking the fall) would tend to show that there wasn’t a crime to cover up. I think that’s what Blugold is trying to say.

Nifong had spent his whole legal career as a prosecutor in the Durham DA’s office. Twenty-something odd years, to be inexact. Election, schmelection. I always kind of figured if he lost, he’d just go right back to doing what he’d always done, which didn’t seem like enough to motivate someone to do what he’s done with this case.

I recently read, though, when he was appointed DA, he had fired Freda (?) Black, his primary rival, whom he beat by something less than 1000 votes in the democratic primary. I suppose about the time he became aware that she announced her candidacy for his seat, he knew that he needed to beat her in the election or he probably would meet the same fate she met at his hands (payback is an angry female dog).

In other words, if she won, he probably would NOT be able to go back to prosecuting traffic offenses. And where else is a guy like him going to find employment? That’s right. This was all-or-nothing for Mad Mike, which explains the kind of limb he finds himself out on now.

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/09/11/News/Students.Criticize.Lax.Cops.Behavior-2265465.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dukechronicle.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

(excerpted example) :

At 3 a.m. on the morning after the concert, Gottlieb and nine other police officers raided the students’ home and arrested Tomovich and his six housemates for noise ordinance and open container violations.

All seven housemates were arrested and taken into custody.

Her girlfriend was arrested for 2 bad checks; there is no indication of how long ago she wrote these checks. (Considering how the cabbie was treated, it may have been a long time ago.) Linwood Wilson, also active in the lacrosse case, runs the DPD Worthless Check program.

Her ex-husband was arrested; his trial has already been postponed once (not sure, but I think until after the election). Not sure if he’s still in jail or not.

Her (former?) boyfriend Matt Murchison was arrested. He was on probation and had it revoked for driving with a bad licence. His trial has been postponed at least twice.

Elmostafa the cabbie was arrested, charged, and tried (fortunately a security video tape saved him).

Then there is Kim, who embezzeled $25,000 from a former employer and hasn’t made restitution; who missed appointments with her probation officer, and left the state to go to California without the court’s permission. But she isn’t in jail
and had a favorable bail deal personally arranged by Nifong;
and Judge Stephens (who used to eat lunch once a week with Nifong, and who signed the initial
warrants in the lacrosse case, and then wouldn’t quash them even though he found out they were based on falsified information) has postponed her trial until after the election.

So it seems that all these people are being kept hanging (despite an overcrowded Durham court docket, which recently underwent ‘reforms’ designed in part to end endless postponments of trials) until the lacrosse case is settled; and with the disposition of their cases–most of them have extensive previous criminal records–resting in the hands of the DA.

“Jail-house witness”, anyone?