“Is this an extreme aberration or is this common????”

Unless it’s a lesbian mom who “caroused with women” it’s not as easy, common for a single man to get welfare.

My guess is that there are more blacks gaming the welfare system largely because a poor black can continue to live in the lifestyle she was accustomed to (not a very good lifestyle) while the average white person would not be able to live their lifestyle on welfare.

Feelings of the white man oweing them may also justifiy freeloading in some minds.

I know most unmoderated discussions attract trolls, but what do they teach in “black studies” or black schools this days?

Don’t they tell you, fail you, if your only argument is “he/she is a racist.”

They should also fail you if your only argument is he/she (southern whites in the 50s) is an idiot.

I think Malcolm X and many black preachers got a free pass on diatribes since they coached their arguments in religious arguments, in addition to whites not wanting to challenge blacks.

Derbyshire’s argument should be an easy argument for an advanced high school class to point out half a dozen fallacies or unsupported claims without resorting to insults.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence should be one.

I’m curious about this myself and any other info to support Glamchild’s diatribe.

And this statistic comes from?

You’re comical, DS. You’ve been making assertions for the past two days, and haven’t cited one source. – Admin

There’s an old saying:

“Subsidize or Privatize”

I don’t know who said that, but Blacks overwhelmingly have chosen to go the ‘subsidize’ route and simply won’t reject all the civil service entitlement/diversity , and welfare
programs tossed at them.

White America simply won’t acknowledge that goverment institutions that herded in Black employees (example the U.S. Postal Service) to run them……are falling apart.

Yes, I’m doing some reading on our Postal System, the lack of accountability, lack of responsibilty, and general incompetence that goes on in Postal circles.

87 % of U.S. Postal Service employees are Black, and get this: their Civil-Service exams are scored completely different than Whites !!!

Incredible stuff.

And, we can’t privatize the Postal Service, because it hurts Black America!

So now we all suffer through late mail, postal incompetence, and a dying system that’s being eaten alive by email and other digital media.

While tax payers contribute ever more Postal taxes…to a broken, Black-run system.

Anyway, sorry this post is so long…

They live off of it, selling food stamps, waiting for that little check every month, and not working. They’ve been on it for over 10 years. Its a sickness. A sick entitlement mentality. You cant reason with alot of them.

Its sad that a system meant to help temporarily is being used to live off and cheat its original intentions. But, thats what us sinful humans do.

These people are personally responsible for their actions, but they should not be singled out as the only ones. Its an American sickness, not just black folk.

Look at what we are doing in Iraq, billions of dollars wasted on no-bid contracts, fraud..a few people who “work the system” making a killing. Did you see the recent reports of all the fraud in the Katrina funding?

Looking at all these CEOs who recently got busted, how many did not? Its at all levels of American society.

We like to concentrate on poor black people because its soo easy! And this is not to say they are not responsible for their own actions, THEY ARE.

Think of all the corporate welfare for decades, wealthy individuals and companies always getting unneeded subsidies…its crazy. Wasting probably trillions of dollars.

I’d love to compare the numbers in terms of dollars wasted in our welfare system compared to “corporate welfare”. But thats for another discussion….

I think more enforcement is needed to fix the system. Some people need welfare temporarily, no doubt about it. But so many do not. We need enforcement to check on who’s getting what and how they are using it.

We also need a change in mentality. People at all levels of society have this entitlement mentality.

How can we stop this?

One prime example of an abuse of the system would be Katrina relief.FEMA made duplicate payments to about half of the 11,000 $2,000 debit card recipients.

Some debit cards were used for “adult entertainment, bail bond services and weapons purchase,” while the majority were used to obtain cash, leaving doubt as to how the money was actually used.

GAO’s visits to over 200 of their “case study” damaged properties in TX and LA revealed “that at least 80 of these properties were bogus – including vacant lots and nonexistent apartments.”

Using Social Security Administration data, the GAO concluded that “FEMA made millions of dollars in payments to thousands of registrants who submitted SSNs that had not been issued or belonged to deceased individuals.” In one case, 17 individuals (some with the same last name and address) used 34 different SSNs that did not belong to them and addresses that were bogus to receive over $103,000 in payments.

Another example of gaming the system:

Experts estimate that abuses of Medicaid eat up at least 10 percent of the program’s total cost nationwide—a waste of $30 billion a year.

1. What proof do you have that it happens in the millions?

2. Of those who do “game the system,” how does it compare to those who are on the system in total?

For example, as far as welfare is concerned, pre-welfare reform, were their instances of multi-generational welfare receivers?

Yes.

Was this the majority?

No.

The average time a person was on welfare was 2 years.

No, that is not what I’m saying.

You asked if JLP’s situation was “out of the norm” for those who get on welfare. In that situation, I would say it is out of the norm for those on welfare.

Your question is different from, “Do some people on welfare ‘game the system’?”

For eighteen months, I interviewed women at my neighborhood beauty shop who instructed me in the myriad ways one could game the system….from bankruptcy abuse to welfare abuse. When fraud units are able to retrieve billions from medicaid fraud alone, it is hard for me to belive that JLP is an extreme abberation….

While one may not like to acknowledge that such happens (I was reeling with shock upon my return to the US to discover the depravity of our society),…..the sad reality is that many folks will go after something for nothing.

Is this an extreme aberration or is this common???? Whether one supports or denigrates JLP is not the issue here…What is an issue is that this is easy and a way of life for many….

Whites long for the day when this will be possible. But, as long as society believes that whites are somehow responsible for “fixing the scenario because they are “on the hook” for disparities, how can one realistically expect the dyanmics of the discussion to change. To me, as long as one “collective” is determined to be responsible for the achievement of another “collective,” it is not feasible to expect the conversational dynaimc to be resolved.