George Allen and James Webb: Confederacy of Dunces?

by La Shawn on September 29, 2006

in Comedy

Allen and Webb on Meet the PressUpdate II (10/2): Star Parker on dredging up sleaze.

Update (9/30): How unexpected!. Thanks. :)
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So I heard that one of Virginia governor [brain cramp!] senator George Allen’s old college football teammates said that someone told him Allen used to call black people “niggers,” and some guy told someone else that James Webb, his Democratic opponent, used to call black people “niggers,” too.

Allen says he doesn’t remember calling any black people “niggers,” and Webb said, “I don’t think that there’s anyone who grew up around the South that hasn’t had the word pass through their lips at one time in their life.”

…which means they’ve both used the word in a negative context before but are too afraid to admit it.

This is what I don’t like about politicians: the dishonesty, the careful language, the hedging. So what if they both called black people “niggers” back in the day? Who hasn’t? We all have a past. Even if they use the word today, as long as they don’t do it in public or let any black person hear them say it, what difference does it make?

confederate flagIt seems that Allen has a fondness for confederate flags, which is not that big a deal for a son of the South. [To clarify, I have no "issues" with the confederate flag. If that surprises you, you must be a new reader.]

The Washington Post says Allen’s and Webb’s use of racial epithets matters. So let’s imagine this: both men called black people “niggers” on occasion back in the day. Bad boys. Both are running for the same Senate seat. The Post calls Allen’s record on race “mixed” because he opposed an MLK holiday and supported Confederate History Month but sent taxpayers’ money to black colleges to “apologize” for slavery.

Whatever.

What are black Virginians supposed to do with this information? Refuse to vote for either one?

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Darren 09.29.06 at 10:08 am

La Shawn,
Out of the 100 or so articles, blog posts, or references made regarding this campaign issue, yours is the first, and for all I know only, that uses the actual term “nigger” instead of “N-word”. I’m white, and for some reason I feel like I just broke some international law by actually spelling the word out in this comment. It just seems silly to me that all the commentary on this topic talks about how Allen used the “N-word….”. Can the commentary be serious if those commenting can’t even bring themselves to use the actual word in question when describing what someone supposedly/actually said? I don’t get it, no one is calling anyone a “nigger”, they are reporting/commenting on what someone may have or may have not called someone 30 years ago in the context of a news report/debate. No one has any problems using the word “macaca” vs “M-word” in news reports/blog posts/debates. Do you feel I’m misguided here? Regardless, I found your post refreshing. Maybe you have written about this issue before, but I’m interested in what your thoughts regarding use of the word “nigger” vs. “N-word”.

jeff 09.29.06 at 10:12 am

First of all…Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. For what? For finally just using the stupid word. It drives me nuts to hear a bunch of adults saying “well Allen said the ‘N’ word”…”but so did Webb”…”yea, but Allen’s use of the ‘N’ word was in everyday context, not just an isolated thing. Plus Webb only said that a lot of people in the south use the ‘N’ word not that he actually said the ‘N’ word.” Aren’t we all adults? They sound like a couple of 3 year olds in the back seat of the van complaining to their mommies.

Quite frankly they both disgust me. I liked Allen until all this comes up. It just goes to show you that the attempted ‘cover up’ is worse than the actually crime. Why couldn’t he just say “look, I said it. It’s not a nice word and I’m sorry.” And that be the end of it? Neither of them are worthy to serve the people of Virginia not because they said, uh, the “n” word, but because neither of them know how to just be honest and sincere. Shame on both of them.

Staunton News 09.29.06 at 10:27 am

Racist or not, Jim Webb is a perv.

Jim Webb Writes about teens having sex.

Batyah 09.29.06 at 10:27 am

I also agree that it’s refreshing to see the objectionable word spelled out. After all, it shouldn’t be a crime to discuss it! I hate these derogatory and hurtful words but I’m sure that many of us have used some of them at some point in time, no matter who we are or what group we belong to. Still, if I were a politician, I’d have a hard time admitting it! So I can’t really blame them for not wanting to ‘fess up. The main question I would have is this: does the public follow up on whether black candidates ever called white people honkies and hymies? or whether Muslim candidates ever called Jews apes and pigs? I mean, the list could go on and on, because all groups have derogatory names for people who are different from them. I confess to having a fondness for the term “whitetrash.” (I grew up in the south, okay?) Is that going to come back and bite me some day?

Batyah 09.29.06 at 10:34 am

By the way, my last comment (about “whitetrash) in no way should be construed as a lighthearted semi-approval of calling other groups bad names! But this publicity does make one think about purifying one’s language habits.

Captain Ed 09.29.06 at 10:56 am

Thanks for the link, La Shawn. One of your commenters raises an interesting point about your publication of the actual term; I chose not to allow it on my site, at least not in my posts. I usually asterisk out epithets, because I don’t want to give the impression that I endorse them.

In this case, though, I have to admit that I would feel uncomfortable using it as a white man in America. I do think it means something different depending on context, although I would much prefer that *everyone* stop using the word so it can eventually die a long-overdue death.

Does that make me too PC? Does it make me a coward? It may indeed, but I can only do what makes me comfortable. It’s a d*****d good question, though.

La Shawn 09.29.06 at 11:01 am

Ed, you echo the sentiments of many. I think it’s an ugly word all around, but I don’t mine typing it out in full. Now I’d never do the same with profanity, like the word f***, for instance. ;)

Shade 09.29.06 at 11:03 am

Well, as far as spelling out the word, think of it like this. In music where the word “nigga” is constantly repeated, when clean versions are made, the word is cut out. The point is that the word has taken on the label of profanity in much the way that words like fu**, shi*, bi***, etc. have (see how I don’t spell those out here).

As a kid, we constantly said “nigga” around peers. My parents used the word. All of the adults used it (black folks of course and back then, only around other blacks). But I would not say the word in front of my parents and other adults; only around other kids. This is because to us, it was the same as cursing and our parents didn’t allow us to curse.

So to me, it is not so much a case of some particular sensitivity to spelling out or stating that particular word when discussing it, but rather whether one is willing to spell out words that are profane. Personally, it doesn’t bother me one way or the other.

Aaron 09.29.06 at 11:04 am

Well, I hear ya LaShawn. We should be able to freely discuss the word “nigger”. Just saying the word in the context of an adult discussion about racial issues does not in itself make you a racist, nor does it send signals to youth that it is OK to be a racist. I can’t believe that in this day and age we cannot discuss the issues surrounding “nigger” without resorting to “N-word” instead.

However, doesn’t this same reasoning apply to sex education? It seems that some on the right fear that merely saying certain words regarding basic reproductive anatomy in an educational context is akin to being a sex fiend and sending the wrong signal to teens.

If saying or writing the word “nigger”, in an open adult discourse and in the proper context, does not make you a racist, doesn’t discussing human reproduction in a mature way not make you a “perv”, nor mean that you condone sexual activity among adolescents? I find it a little strange that among some people, just writing the word “S-e-x” makes them as uncomfortable as saying or writing “nigger”. Shall we instead use “S-word” (and “P-word” etc)?

Just posing the question…

Shade 09.29.06 at 11:19 am

Now I’d never do the same with profanity, like the word f***, for instance.

Wouldn’t bother me if you did. Sometimes it gets the point across better, though I understand why you wouldn’t spell it out. But growing up for me, “nigger/nigga” was considered profanity of the same level as f***.

dianne 09.29.06 at 11:21 am

So much for Allen’s aspirations to be President. What gets me is how all these people seem to remember what somebody said 30 years ago. Like the woman I saw on television last nite who volunteers once a week for the DNC and had the uncanny ability to not only remember what Allen said 30 years ago, but also the color of the shoes he had on! Call me skeptical, but…

Gayle Miller 09.29.06 at 11:39 am

As a soon-to-be resident of Virginia – I think this whole debate is asinine. I’m sorry, yes I’m white. So what? The use of a perjorative or offensive word back when you were in high school or even college is completely IRRELEVANT. At that age we all did or said more than one thing that we aren’t proud of.

What matters is who the candidate is NOW and how he thinks NOW.

However, I do agree with La Shawn about the politics-speak that is so prevalent. My kingdom for someone who actually SAYS what he thinks and means it. Oh – right – that’s our current President and aren’t we lucky! With all his flaws, he is far less of a poseur than most.

UNK 09.29.06 at 11:59 am

“But growing up for me, “nigger/nigga” was considered profanity of the same level as f***. ”

In the military in the 80s, I heard the f word almost every day, but I can’t remember hearing the n word ever even once. But this was a long time ago, and I would guess that enlisted blacks are calling each other n—– these days.

How many blacks voted Republican in VA anyway? 10%? I would guess Allen does not has many votes to lose from blacks, but from middle of the road whites.

Shade 09.29.06 at 12:15 pm

UNK, they were probably calling themselves that back in the 80s, just not in front of whites.

Heliotrope 09.29.06 at 12:19 pm

When a white person uses the N-word on a black person, it has a sharp report that can not be equaled by any word the black person can send back at the white person.

I am not Jewish. I know many words that refer to Jews and are offensive. (Jessie Jackson knows a few, too.) No matter how close I may be to a Jewish friend, why would I ever try to make one of those terms an enduring bond between us? Even if my friend calls his friends by those terms, I can not be a part of the “club” at that level.

At best, I would explain to my Jewish friend, that his use of the word around me is divisive in our friendship, because it gives him an extra right that can not be extended to me because of my religion.

Did Allen use the N-word? Did Webb? Who knows? Democrats can drown girls, have sex with interns, plagiarize, belong to the KKK, be thrown off the bench etc. but they can nearly defeat Republican opponents by getting outraged by an ancient DUI incident, the use of the N-word as a juvenile or having stolen some chips from the vending machine. Jessie Jackson went after the Duke lacrosse guys for having gone wee-wee in the front yard at a fraternity!

The N-word put OJ back on the street. It is a sword at the throat of every non-democrat white person in America. Just the charge of its use is sufficient to send many black voters running to pull the democrat lever.

A recent commenter on this site proclaimed that many “black folk” can not vote for a Republican. Well, that being the case, it is a good democrat strategy to demagogue them they way they have gone after Allen. Makaka. A new word to me, but apparently a powerfully awful word. I would have thought it was a new flavor from Ben and Jerry’s if a liberal had uttered it.

So, the “black folk” have found a way to make the N-word a deadly weapon against their enemy: the white, conservative Republican. What a way to be a part of a growing, productive, plural society.

MikeT 09.29.06 at 12:33 pm

(None of this is aimed at you, LaShawn)

It’s just a word. I don’t care about the historical baggage. If you think that America is a largely racist society today, then go try to get a job as a black person in Japan or China and see how the locals treat you. You’ll be begging to come back to live and work among white Americans again.

Tiffany in Houston 09.29.06 at 12:41 pm

I’m afraid I can’t agree with you Gayle. People can and do change and they can also learn how to mask their true feelings very well. George Allen seems to have done neither. But I’m in Texas so he’s not my problem. Ya’ll in VA can have him.

ElCee 09.29.06 at 1:06 pm

Well, I’m a black Virginian, and George Allen has my vote, hands down. But then, I’m looking at his voting record, especially in contrast to our other “Republican” senator.

I also remember Allen showing up at a dedication for a local memorial for a black woman many years ago, when there was no big political reason for him to do so. He could have just skipped it, no one would have known or cared.

Yes, he’s a politician, but who but a politician would be crazy enough to run for dog-catcher in today’s political climate?

The moonbats have tasted blood, and there will be no stopping them now…

WhatTha? 09.29.06 at 1:44 pm

“I don’t think that there’s anyone who grew up around the South that hasn’t had the word pass through their lips at one time in their life.”

It would be great if some enterprising reporter would go up to Bill Clinton, read him that quote, and ask for him response. As a son of the South, Mr. Webb is obviously saying Clinton used the N-word.

UNK 09.29.06 at 1:54 pm

“UNK, they were probably calling themselves that back in the 80s, just not in front of whites.

one lives, works, eats rather close in the service, so if they were hiding use of the N-word they did a good job.

The m—f—er or mofo was popular as I remember, which is pretty bad, almost so so bad that no one takes it seriously, but had no racial overtone.

Cedjan 09.29.06 at 2:11 pm

Lashawn,

I wish all the islamofascists wanted to do was call me nigger, but they want to cut my head off too and blow up my children.

Whichever of these two is willing to put forth and vote for legislation that will strengthen our defenses against the terrorists should get any Virginian’s vote.

Walt Schulte 09.29.06 at 3:09 pm

I think George Allen would be better off just saying “I referred to black people as niggers when I was in college. It was the wrong thing to do, and I don’t do it anymore.” He’s already sliding in the polls, so what does he have to lose by showing some more spine?

Racism is a white-only thoughtcrime that white candidates usually only get accused of right before the election. I’ve heard that Bill Clinton still uses the word and actually means it. The guy is the darling of the liberal media so he’ll never suffer any consequences.

Batyah,
It’s my observation that only whites get convicted of thoughtcrimes. Sometimes, Mexican candidates get investigated for being a part of MEChA, the Latin KKK, but it never hurts them come election time (Antonio Villariagosa).

We really need to get over this PC madness in America and unite behind defeating jihadists.

I may have committed a thoughtcrime writing this, so I’m going to report myself to the ACLU now.

paul in va 09.29.06 at 3:18 pm

Despite the likelihood that this whole racial news blitz is just your typical Democratic race-baiting negative advertising late in a campaign–and Allen isn’t racist and Webb doesn’t hate women–it still is annoying. I live in Virginia and have uttered lots of words regarding sex, race and ethnicity, mostly joking. So what?

And although the n-word can obviously be inflammatory, a much less inflammatory parallel can be drawn to using the word “Black” these days. I’m considered White, not an Anglo/Saxon/Hispanic American. Why exactly do I get described by the color of my skin and not by my country(ies) of origin, as in African American?

My ex-girlfriend, her family and her friends called themselves “Black” in the early ’90’s. So did I. But now it almost feels racist somehow to use “Black” instead of “African American.”

Harry Taft 09.29.06 at 5:03 pm

La Shawn, Anyone who votes against either of these guys based on this issue is silly. I don’t think that either of these candidates for the Senate could have come to this point in their public lives hiding the fact that they hate black people and that the behavior they really like to pursue involves the giving of pain and humiliation to minorities.

DarkStar 09.29.06 at 6:03 pm

Interesting.

Even if they used the word today, as long as they don’t do it in public or let any black person hear them say it, what difference does it make?

What difference does it make?

Frankly, a lot. It’s sort of like, what a drunk man says is really what a drunk man thinks.

He also has CofCC ties, but since I ain’t in VA, I don’t get a vote.

sigmund, carl and alfred 09.29.06 at 6:41 pm

Well, the good news is that Allen wasn’t a Klan kleagle (recruiter) like Robert ‘klan really wasn’t so bad’ Byrd.

suek 09.29.06 at 6:43 pm

>>Why couldn’t he just say “look, I said it. It’s not a nice word and I’m sorry.” >>

What if he didn’t? I grew up in a time and place when it was not all that uncommon a usage, but my mother would no more allow me to use that language than some of the other language referred to here. Some of these words that are common on tv and schoolbuses I never even heard of until I was an adult! If I’d used _any_ of them, I’d have had my mouth washed out with soap…honest to pete! So I didn’t and I don’t.

Erm….what does CofCC refer to?

El Cid 09.30.06 at 8:21 am

La Shawn why on earth can the rest of the world not be so sensible about simple words that become great issues to some?

Folks will spell out the F-word and every other profanity known to man, but as the first commenter stated…don’t dare break international law with the n-word. (I don’t enjoy hearing anyone use an assortment of profane or derogatory words but I do not attach special emphasis to one over the other)

By the way, I mostly enjoyed Webb’s book Born Fighting. Otherwise he is a bit unhinged.

Tellijent 09.30.06 at 9:12 am

At some point we have to be critical of all politicians regardless of our political affiliation. You all seem to want to give Sen. Allen a pass simply because he is a Republican. In response you will probably suggest that his use of “nigger” is immaterial because it happened a long time ago, but it was also suggested that he stuffed a severed deer head in a black family’s mailbox. Now that’s just pure hate, something that transcends the casual use of the word “nigger”. In conjunction he has had a love affair with the confederate flag; a noose adorned the wall of his law office; and finally he recently referred to a young kid of Indian background as “Macaca”. Of course he only made that word up. Oh yeah, and he doesn’t remember using the word “nigger”. Sen. Allen is racist; however, he’s not good at hiding it. I can’t imagine the things that haven’t been revealed about. However, if you feel as though this is no reason to give you pause, then by all means vote for him.

Heliotrope 09.30.06 at 9:47 am

#33 reports: but it was also suggested that he stuffed a severed deer head in a black family’s mailbox

You are right; that is a current rumor. It is being chased down by the national press. So far they have come up empty.

Perhaps you should put this on “hold” until the story develops. But it appears you have already decided it is true and is “just pure hate.”

What are we to do with Virginia, the Mother of the Confederate States of America? Isn’t it true that many outside of the state and the Old South in general tar current day Republicans with secretly longing for the good old days of the plantation and slavery?

Lay the charges on George Allen, because there is a willing crowd out there which is salivating to hear the worst. They feed on salacious charges, it feeds their souls.

If the charges turn out to be true, then the voters will have to weigh them. (As they did with Kennedy, Byrd, Hastings, Biden, Clinton, Frank and many others.)

Mike_K 09.30.06 at 10:35 am

This seems to be backfiring on Webb now. As usual, the Democrats overreached. Allen was from California when he began the UVA and was probably less likely than his white friends to use the word. He may be telling the truth. Still, he has looked pretty lame through all this and his presidential hopes are toast.

I don’t understand Webb. His books were great but he has allied himself with people who probably disdain him except as a possible club to beat Bush and the Republicans. If he loses, his new friends will drop him like a hot rock. He looks like a bitter angry man. Too bad. If he does not win, and it doesn’t look good right now, this will hurt him with people who really respected him and his writing.

A.W. of Freespeech.com 09.30.06 at 11:10 am

I would never excuse a person who currently says the n-word, in a negative context, period. And no, even if he doesn’t say it around black people, etc. that is no mitigation. The issue is the attitudes it betrays, and not whether anyone’s feelings are hurt.

But 30 years ago? quite forgivable.

What i find odd is that you, on one hand, get annoyed with Allen and Webb for being full of it on the issue of whether or not they said it, and then you seem to endorse them being full of it, by saying its okay if they currently say it so long as no black people hear. Is that an honest politician for you, who shakes the hand of a black constituent and says, “nice to meet you, friend,” and then turns around and says, “stupid n—–” behind that guy’s back?

Hogarth 09.30.06 at 11:31 am

“Well, the good news is that Allen wasn’t a Klan kleagle (recruiter) like Robert ‘klan really wasn’t so bad’ Byrd.”

I agree with the sigmund, carl and alfred group. No matter what happens in VA, Webb and Allen at least have earned themselves safe seats one state over in WV. How far back in the YouTube archives do we have to go to see the “esteemed” Sen. Byrd using the exact same word? 2001? Times most assuredly had changed by then, and the use of that word by a sitting US Senator doesn’t seem to hurt his electability very much. I can’t see too many voters caring about a hearsay incident 30 years ago if they so easily forgive Byrd.

Christy 09.30.06 at 12:32 pm

FWIW, that word has never crossed the lips of this middle-aged daughter of the South. Momma would have slapped me clear across the kitchen if it ever had. Truly, I don’t remember my friends using it either. Older folks used it, but not my generation.

Richard 09.30.06 at 1:32 pm

I am a NativeAmerican/Scots/German/Irishman…
…whose military experience included some time as an “advisor” in Rhodesia. This was a time in which the American Army was integrated and actually over-represented in the senior non-commissioned officer (NCO) ranks. When I traveled into Africa, a security team went with me to keep my activities from being interupted by rude strangers. I will never forget the comment from a 37 year old SFC to a new addition to the security team that was exclaiming how exiting it was going to be to visit the “homeland.” He said, “Boy, they’re going to scare you white down there.” (the SFC was also Black)The trip was exicting to all concerned, the young man was shaken, and I will wager that the term African-American has never been one he has to describe himself. Young people make stupid comments but perhaps the stupidest of all things is to fail to grow and learn and put those things behind you.

Buster 09.30.06 at 1:33 pm

Whether or not the word denotes racism depends a lot upon what context it’s used in. I once called a black cop “nigger” when he arrested me for driving under the influence. I knew the man well and we’d been friends up to that point, so he understood that my use of the word had to do with anger and not racism, and accepted my apology some days later.

Growing up in the south in the fifties, I heard that word was bandied around a lot, but usually as a descriptive and not as a racial epithet. And many blacks used it among themselves, but as a term of endearment and not a put-down of any kind.

Clyde 09.30.06 at 2:04 pm

The truth is that if the only people who could be elected to Congress were those who had never used an ethnic slur in their lives, then both houses could probably caucus in a small room.

That said, how people behave now is much more important than whether they said something offensive thirty years ago.

Dr Ken 09.30.06 at 3:24 pm

Either of them just say, “Yes I did talk that way when I was young and foolish, but I’m older and wiser now. Now let’s talk about issues.” That would help refocus reporters, the way my kids’ teachers talk about refocusing the class troublemakers.

vienna local 09.30.06 at 3:53 pm

Actually, it’s not backfiring on Webb at all. Don’t think people here in the Old Dominion aren’t aware of how much of a wingnut, and simpleton he is. In fact, he was always much better than simpleton George Allen on the actual issues. But why get in the way when your opponent is making such an ass of himself for being a racist on top of it?

Jeff 09.30.06 at 5:47 pm

Actually, Allen’s infatuation with the Confederate flag is one reason I’d never vote for him. It is impossible to understand the American founding and embrace anything associated with Southern secession. As conservatives, we should be appalled at any embrace of the Confederacy, regardless of geographic location.

JOHN WICKEY 09.30.06 at 7:12 pm

I am white of Swiss-German heritage. My Grandson is black. My great-grandson is even blacker. They are mine. I love them. Any that are mine can have anything I can provide for their welfare. Can we ever get past the sport of chopping politicians up for sport and begin to look at the potential of what they might accomplish for the welfare of the state or nation? Our political system from this cut-em-up stew.

Jon Lester 09.30.06 at 7:19 pm

Nobody should want to hurt anybody’s feelings with pointless epithets but it does beg the question of, how long before this leads to defining what Orwell called thoughtcrime?

Pat Patterson 09.30.06 at 7:39 pm

You mean that good ol’ boy who grew up in the South, south of Redondo Beach? Not too many Stars And Bars in Palos Verdes.

Noel 09.30.06 at 8:05 pm

I distrust sudden “recovered memories” by partisans on either side in the heat of a campaign.

When Webb announced, it was said that he regarded China as a larger threat than terrorism. I was looking forward to that debate, but all we’ve gotten is N-words, deer-heads, “When did you stop being Jewish?”-questions and cartoons of hook-nosed money-grubbers. Shame on Sec. Webb.

DeSelby 09.30.06 at 11:06 pm

Here’s Webb’s Navy Cross citation, ’nuff said:

“The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.”

Heliotrope 10.01.06 at 11:33 am

As a Virginian and a Republican, I will vote for George Allen. It seems passing strange that when Governor Doug Wilder redistricted him out of his House seat that Wilder didn’t go the easier route of using the crud that is being thrown at Allen now.

One reason may be that the first black governor of Virginia and now Mayor of Richmond knows that pulling the race card in Virginia without proof is almost certain suicide.

It is late in the campaign season and all Webb has been able to muster is a bunch of innuendo that the national press adores but can’t prove.

If Allen is defeated on the basis of how he handles this smear campaign, it says more about the bread and circuses approach to voters than it does about George Allen.

In the above comments you can read the resolve of people who oppose Allen because he is “infatuated” with the Confederate flag, because he stuck a deer head in a black man’s mailbox, because he used the N-word. Not a single one of these charges has been shown to have the least validity, but they are good enough for the bread and circuses bunch. It was always thus. Some folks are only stirred by demagogues and the smell of milling crowd. Get you mud handy, it is going to be a long month.

vic 10.01.06 at 2:06 pm

Son of the South?? He grew up in Southern California.

Henry Gandolph 10.02.06 at 3:06 am

If you knew the history of the word you wouldn’t be so casual, so cavalier. or visit this site
http://abolishthenword.com

Walt Schulte 10.02.06 at 12:50 pm

#48 “Nobody should want to hurt anybody’s feelings with pointless epithets but it does beg the question of, how long before this leads to defining what Orwell called thoughtcrime? ”

We’re already there! Turn yourself into the ACLU, CAIR, or La Raza if you’ve commmitted one.

Steve Rich 10.02.06 at 1:28 pm

I’m somewhat baffled by the posters such as Heliotrope who suggest that the whole macaca/N-word fiasco is nothing but a creation of the media. The fact is that George Allen has put himself in this mess–not by using (or not) racial epithets 30 years ago that weren’t too unusual at the time, but by mean-spiritedly singling out the only non-white individual in the crowd at a campaign event, calling him a term that is a racist insult in his mother’s culture, and telling this young man who was born and raised in Virginia “welcome to America” while stupidly grinning as if he had said something genuinely funny. Were it not for recent, indisputably racist acts by Allen, combined with various actions he took as governor, no one would care what he did 30 years ago. However, he has now opened the door to people coming out of the woodwork with such allegations because they are consistent with the lack of racial sensitivity–to put it charitably–that he continues to show in 2006.

Derrick 10.02.06 at 5:16 pm

One reason may be that the first black governor of Virginia and now Mayor of Richmond knows that pulling the race card in Virginia without proof is almost certain suicide.

No, the reason that they didn’t use your made up “race card” in Virginia is because people like yourself feel like that its worse to call someone out on their racism than to actually do the racist thing. It reminds me of the Dave Chappelle skit about R Kelly. Unless George Allen was taped with proof of ID and a stenographer saying “I hate black people, and yes I’m a racist.” you still wouldn’t believe he was a racist.

DarkStar 10.02.06 at 6:09 pm

CofCC refer to

Council of Conservative Citizens, a group the Conservative PAC said was racist, because it is.

lukeNC 10.02.06 at 7:53 pm

just stupid stupid…

mr allen used the n-word back in college, so what…so do a lot of black folk.

mr allen likes the confederate flag — who cares..
even if he does, he’s just someone who believes in losing, anyone who still loves that flag is a loser anyway…maybe he needs a history lesson.

still not enough to indict the guy…

Randy 10.04.06 at 1:35 am

As a senator, it is Allen’s responsibility to represent ALL Virginians, not just the ones he likes. The whole Macacca incident isn’t ‘bread and circuses.’ He actually said, at least twice, and he was recorded. He admitted he said it. And it was meant as a pejorative against someone who looked foreign. Sorry, but if you are that stupid to say that on tape, that’s enough to disqualify you for higher office. If that’s truly his opinion of foreigner-looking people, than he ought to be defeated.

And when he got defensive when a reporter asked him if he is jewish, and stung back that that’s an ‘aspersion’, well, that just shows what he truly thinks about a certain segment of the population.

And the voters certainly have a right to question anyone who thinks along those lines.

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