(You can swap in Lib/Conservative – but the 2 ‘c’ words have a nicer ring. And I’m australian – look up the australian “Liberal Party”.

Does anyone have a Dr. Phil type contact for “familyvaluesvoter” and the twitchy-butt conservative women that surround him/her?

Whew!

Also, from personal experiences, most of my liberal friends are personally very traditional and socially conservative. They all married young, their spouse was their first partner, and they all had children at a young age.

A lot of the conservative women I know from work and through other friends seem to follow the individualism path: “Why should my tax payer money pay for someone else’s health care,” with that individualistic path also leading them to generally only care about themselves, as they’ve all saved up for breast implants, they don’t want to be tied down to a man, and they think that having kids will distort their bodies. This seems to follow the current trend of the red blooded american male who wants to keep his tax dollars, but then also takes that aspect of individualism into the personal realm, by expecting a trophy girflriend with Pamela Anderson like assets, and not caring to have children or getting married.

When I look at most of the Republican voters I know, I see a real disconnect between the economic individualism espoused by libertarian conservatives, and the advancement of a cultural common good based on Christianity espoused by social conservatives. Almost all of the Republicans I know don’t care about homosexuality, abortion, promiscuity, or family values, with their exclusive concern focusing on tax cuts. THey vote Republican because as they say “they’re only getting the nut cases to vote for our tax cuts, they aren’t actually going to act on what those nutcases want.”

I wonder if Christian Conservatives realize that they are being used, or are they blind to that fact that GOP legislators almost exclusively pursue a platform of economic freedom.

I also wonder, how do you encourage someone to maximize profits and encourage individuality through economic freedom, but then also pressure individuals to conform to you’re definition of the cultural common good by restricting their personal freedom? The same could also be asked to liberals with the conditions reversed. Additionally, why is the environment not considered a part of the cultural common good?

I always see liberals getting accused of destroying morals, but I realy think it is the fact that sex sells so well in america that is the downfall of traditional values. Most corporations/ individuals have realized it is a great way to maximize profits, seeing that it has engulfed all phases of society. To pretend like only liberals or democrats are selling and purchasing sex, is ridiculous.

Good point about the correlation between marriage w/children and voting republican. The exception is the minority vote. Muslims and Mexicans though not similar ideologically both have lots of kids. In my area, I rarely see a Mexican family with less than 4 kids. Muslims, because many are polygamists, have lots of kids. Both tend to vote democrat, though this is changing amongst Mexicans. This is the inherent (sp?) foolishness of the open-border Republicanism we’ve seen of late, as both Mexicans and Muslims are immigrant voters that don’t vote Republican.

Just another thought(crime).

There is a fast growing group of upwardly mobile black professionals with military backgrounds who are going to permanently alter the grasp on voting of the black democrat status quo.

Why is the military background so important? It rewards merit and treats “victim status” complaints with a severe dose of “prove it or shove off.” The Inspector General is available for a further redress of grievances, but in the final analysis, you are judged by what you do rather than what you claim.

I wish we had a Hitch, LaShawn, to make that perfect man happen for you. I guess this is selfish, because I want you to pass on your wisdom and humor and snappin’ smart DNA to your offspring so they can grow up, find MY kids, and marry them!

This point was argued extensively in an earlier thread. Many, many blacks don’t vote Republican, not because of specific issues and what ideals Republican’s represent, but because of a preconceived, strongly engraved perception that Republicans are don’t like blacks. This is why blacks with diverse views and from all walks of life tend to vote the same way.

All Gd-fearing people, have patience and hang in there — we will win in the end because we nurture life and our numbers reflect that.