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	<title>Comments on: Hispanics v. Blacks: The Battle For &#8216;Preferred Minority&#8217; Status</title>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNK, I definitely wasn&#039;t comparing the left to Nazis, but only using that demented example of racial pigeonholing to suggest how utterly intellectually vacant such nonsense is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNK, I definitely wasn&#8217;t comparing the left to Nazis, but only using that demented example of racial pigeonholing to suggest how utterly intellectually vacant such nonsense is.</p>
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		<title>By: george mimmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>george mimmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it ironic that some African-Americans only want the distinction when it benefits them, and not when it points out a trend.  For example, at the school where I teach, African-American males score the lowest on standardized testing, have the lowest GPA&#039;s, and the lowest post-secondary college attendance rate (a sad situation).  A colleague pointed that out to some of his students and was accused of racism. So it is not racism when I am preferred and racism when I am called out for failing? Sounds like McWhorter&#039;s thesis is proved again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that some African-Americans only want the distinction when it benefits them, and not when it points out a trend.  For example, at the school where I teach, African-American males score the lowest on standardized testing, have the lowest GPA&#8217;s, and the lowest post-secondary college attendance rate (a sad situation).  A colleague pointed that out to some of his students and was accused of racism. So it is not racism when I am preferred and racism when I am called out for failing? Sounds like McWhorter&#8217;s thesis is proved again.</p>
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		<title>By: UNK</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œWhite men canâ€™t jump.â€ 

and black men can&#039;t swim, but proving it has anything to do with genetics is much more difficult.

A few weeks ago there was an article in the Washington Post about how the number of blacks in pro baseball was falling.  I think it has more to do with culture than any gentics ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œWhite men canâ€™t jump.â€ </p>
<p>and black men can&#8217;t swim, but proving it has anything to do with genetics is much more difficult.</p>
<p>A few weeks ago there was an article in the Washington Post about how the number of blacks in pro baseball was falling.  I think it has more to do with culture than any gentics ability.</p>
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		<title>By: UNK</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Huummm it seems to me that sports is truly a level playing field (no pun intended) where job performance is the measuring tool. &quot;

Professional sports is &quot;entertainment&quot; and in equal situations, I would not be totally surprised if a white player was hired if the team thought more people would pay to watch a whiter team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Huummm it seems to me that sports is truly a level playing field (no pun intended) where job performance is the measuring tool. &#8221;</p>
<p>Professional sports is &#8220;entertainment&#8221; and in equal situations, I would not be totally surprised if a white player was hired if the team thought more people would pay to watch a whiter team.</p>
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		<title>By: UNK</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does that person use calipers on skulls, as Dr, Mengele did, to make some determination? Is there a skin shade/tone/color chart that we need to post in employment offices? &quot;

While I agree with the point, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to compare not only to Nazis but to a war criminal &quot;medical doctor.&quot;  If it&#039;s not fair for Moveon to compare Pres Bush to Nazis, I don&#039;t think the right should compare the left to Nazis either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does that person use calipers on skulls, as Dr, Mengele did, to make some determination? Is there a skin shade/tone/color chart that we need to post in employment offices? &#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree with the point, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to compare not only to Nazis but to a war criminal &#8220;medical doctor.&#8221;  If it&#8217;s not fair for Moveon to compare Pres Bush to Nazis, I don&#8217;t think the right should compare the left to Nazis either.</p>
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		<title>By: UNK</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Terms like â€œguttyâ€ â€œkeystone of the offenseâ€ â€œtenaciousâ€ â€œblocking tight endâ€ â€œsparkplugâ€ â€œhas a motor that wonâ€™t quitâ€ etc. are common terms that traditionally been used to describe white players and the argument by the commenters was based on the notion that this implies that black players donâ€™t have these qualities. &quot;

My guess is that if some academic could document this, which is much easier said than done, the networks would force their commentators to change.

I donâ€™t follow football closely enough to know sports commentators by name, but from other sports that I follow, besides giving insights into the rules and strategies, I have found that most of them repeat the same platitudes over and over.  Most are retired athletes with enough personality for broadcasting â€“ and I would not be totally surprised if not totally impartial. 

I donâ€™t know enough about football to say for sure, but I think some receiver positions, like running down the field 50 yards and losing two defenders requires a different skill set (running fast) than â€œrunningâ€ 5 yards and catching the ball thrown in a narrow gap (finding a gap) before getting tackled hard.  This different skill set might account for the different types of players and different commentary â€“ quarterbacks assumed to require more intelligence than other positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Terms like â€œguttyâ€ â€œkeystone of the offenseâ€ â€œtenaciousâ€ â€œblocking tight endâ€ â€œsparkplugâ€ â€œhas a motor that wonâ€™t quitâ€ etc. are common terms that traditionally been used to describe white players and the argument by the commenters was based on the notion that this implies that black players donâ€™t have these qualities. &#8221;</p>
<p>My guess is that if some academic could document this, which is much easier said than done, the networks would force their commentators to change.</p>
<p>I donâ€™t follow football closely enough to know sports commentators by name, but from other sports that I follow, besides giving insights into the rules and strategies, I have found that most of them repeat the same platitudes over and over.  Most are retired athletes with enough personality for broadcasting â€“ and I would not be totally surprised if not totally impartial. </p>
<p>I donâ€™t know enough about football to say for sure, but I think some receiver positions, like running down the field 50 yards and losing two defenders requires a different skill set (running fast) than â€œrunningâ€ 5 yards and catching the ball thrown in a narrow gap (finding a gap) before getting tackled hard.  This different skill set might account for the different types of players and different commentary â€“ quarterbacks assumed to require more intelligence than other positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of an article that I read in the 90&#039;s about ethnic politics in Florida. It seems that  the black political and civil servant class in Miami/Dade County were steamed about the rise of Cuban-American competitors. After only a generation or so in power, the blacks were being thoroughly eclipsed by another &quot;minority&quot; group that held slightly different values. The kicker was that the usual mechanisms for exerting leverage- affirmative action, cries of discrimination, the politics of victimization, racial guilt-tripping, etc. were completely denied them. In fact, some of the same tactics were being used against them! Talk about double-edged swords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of an article that I read in the 90&#8242;s about ethnic politics in Florida. It seems that  the black political and civil servant class in Miami/Dade County were steamed about the rise of Cuban-American competitors. After only a generation or so in power, the blacks were being thoroughly eclipsed by another &#8220;minority&#8221; group that held slightly different values. The kicker was that the usual mechanisms for exerting leverage- affirmative action, cries of discrimination, the politics of victimization, racial guilt-tripping, etc. were completely denied them. In fact, some of the same tactics were being used against them! Talk about double-edged swords.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainsGhost</title>
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		<dc:creator>GawainsGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We hold these truths to be self-evident: 1) that all men are created equal; 2) that each is endowed by his creator with certain unalienable rights--that chief among these is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; 3) that governments are formed to ensure these rights, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

If these truths are indeed self-evident, then there is no progress beyond that point.

Thus, when elected representatives begin playing games with &quot;preferred minorities,&quot; they are not acting on principle or with the consent of the governed. That way lies tyranny and chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hold these truths to be self-evident: 1) that all men are created equal; 2) that each is endowed by his creator with certain unalienable rights&#8211;that chief among these is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; 3) that governments are formed to ensure these rights, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.</p>
<p>If these truths are indeed self-evident, then there is no progress beyond that point.</p>
<p>Thus, when elected representatives begin playing games with &#8220;preferred minorities,&#8221; they are not acting on principle or with the consent of the governed. That way lies tyranny and chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Discriminations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discriminations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wilmington In Wonderland: Down The Slippery Slope Of â€œDiversityâ€ In Delaware&lt;/strong&gt;

HatTip to Hube for this entirely predictable result of â€œdiversityâ€ from Delaware: WILMINGTON -- An attorney for a city police detective suing his employer told a jury Monday that her client was passed over for promotion because he is black....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wilmington In Wonderland: Down The Slippery Slope Of â€œDiversityâ€ In Delaware</strong></p>
<p>HatTip to Hube for this entirely predictable result of â€œdiversityâ€ from Delaware: WILMINGTON &#8212; An attorney for a city police detective suing his employer told a jury Monday that her client was passed over for promotion because he is black&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: March Hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>March Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just looked at the stats for my local high school.  Black students are now the numerical majority, followed by whites, then hispanics.  But the numbers are very, very close--a few students one way or the other.  No race has 51% of the total.  So who is the minority student?  The Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans?

Several years ago, my local paper did a series about the influx of hispanics moving into traditionally black neighborhoods.  Many blacks (who were moving &quot;up&quot; into traditionally white neighborhoods) were moaning about the loss.  Their identity was threatened.  In fact, they sounded a lot like the whites who lived in &quot;protected&quot; white neighborhoods in the &#039;60&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked at the stats for my local high school.  Black students are now the numerical majority, followed by whites, then hispanics.  But the numbers are very, very close&#8211;a few students one way or the other.  No race has 51% of the total.  So who is the minority student?  The Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans?</p>
<p>Several years ago, my local paper did a series about the influx of hispanics moving into traditionally black neighborhoods.  Many blacks (who were moving &#8220;up&#8221; into traditionally white neighborhoods) were moaning about the loss.  Their identity was threatened.  In fact, they sounded a lot like the whites who lived in &#8220;protected&#8221; white neighborhoods in the &#8217;60&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Hube</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn! I&#039;m crushed! No word on WHO tipped John at Discriminations to this story???   ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn! I&#8217;m crushed! No word on WHO tipped John at Discriminations to this story???   <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shade:

I read through the comments as well and found them illuminating.  It&#039;s hard to prove a negative and when blacks are not chosen as &quot;possession receivers&quot; is it because there are none or because of something more sinister?  Statistically speaking, for every Matt Jones white guy there should be a Wayne Chrebet (sp?) black guy so it&#039;s hard to say they don&#039;t exist.  However, to change sports, let&#039;s look at basketball.  We can agree that, on a percentage basis, free throw shooting has degenerated over the last twenty years without needing to look at figures.  Can we agree to that? If so, and we look at the corresponding increase in black players in the NBA, can we at least hypothesize that the increase in black players has led to a decrease in overall free throw shooting ability? Of course we can, we can hypothesize anything we want.  Now can we also say that ESPN has contributed to a romanticizing of individual playmaking capabilities through Sportscenter? Sure, why not.  Can we also say that more black kids learn basketball on playgrounds initially than white kids?  Sure.  Where are we going?  Players with less ability have to complement the skills of their teammates and rely on teamwork in order to be successful more often than those who have more of an individual flair for the game. This is not race based but economic based.  Potentially that may be why there are more white benchwarmers than blacks.  I have no idea but I thought I would throw it out for comment.

As far as those football commenters, you can see from some of the white players stats, they had/have some wheels.  I played basketball and volleyball, holding my own quite well in basketball, the 31-inch vertical leap helping, and I&#039;ll be honest, often quite surprising my black opponents.

Look forward to reading your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shade:</p>
<p>I read through the comments as well and found them illuminating.  It&#8217;s hard to prove a negative and when blacks are not chosen as &#8220;possession receivers&#8221; is it because there are none or because of something more sinister?  Statistically speaking, for every Matt Jones white guy there should be a Wayne Chrebet (sp?) black guy so it&#8217;s hard to say they don&#8217;t exist.  However, to change sports, let&#8217;s look at basketball.  We can agree that, on a percentage basis, free throw shooting has degenerated over the last twenty years without needing to look at figures.  Can we agree to that? If so, and we look at the corresponding increase in black players in the NBA, can we at least hypothesize that the increase in black players has led to a decrease in overall free throw shooting ability? Of course we can, we can hypothesize anything we want.  Now can we also say that ESPN has contributed to a romanticizing of individual playmaking capabilities through Sportscenter? Sure, why not.  Can we also say that more black kids learn basketball on playgrounds initially than white kids?  Sure.  Where are we going?  Players with less ability have to complement the skills of their teammates and rely on teamwork in order to be successful more often than those who have more of an individual flair for the game. This is not race based but economic based.  Potentially that may be why there are more white benchwarmers than blacks.  I have no idea but I thought I would throw it out for comment.</p>
<p>As far as those football commenters, you can see from some of the white players stats, they had/have some wheels.  I played basketball and volleyball, holding my own quite well in basketball, the 31-inch vertical leap helping, and I&#8217;ll be honest, often quite surprising my black opponents.</p>
<p>Look forward to reading your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shade:  &quot;White men can&#039;t jump.&quot;  

Hooboy.  Here we go again.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shade:  &#8220;White men can&#8217;t jump.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Hooboy.  Here we go again.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy if this post wasn&#039;t right on the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy if this post wasn&#8217;t right on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieces of a Whole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieces of a Whole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goose? Gander? Read. </description>
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