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In a most vacuous display of “liberation,” a gaggle of women who had their unborn babies vacuumed from their bodies (graphic images alert!) and washed down a sink will celebrate the occasion by signing a Ms. Magazine “We Had Abortions” petition.
One signatory killed her unborn child after a test revealed that he’d be born with Down syndrome. Another signatory named “Tyffine” killed her child “in order to finish high school.”
Congrats, gals. You sure have come a long way.
Me, me, me. My body. My choice.
My crime.
One fine day, there will be an accounting.
Related posts:
- Blogs4Life/March for Life
- Blogs4Life/March for Life II
- The Pain of Unborn Babies
- Male Child Killer Gets Prison; Female Accomplice Gets ‘Choice’
- An Unborn Baby Is Human Only If You Want “Itâ€
Update: Commenter and blogger Libbie posts a link to this story. Some scientists are calling 3-D images of babies sucking their thumbs and smiling in utero misleading because “they do not reflect the true nature of an unborn baby’s brain.”
At least they used the word baby, but the scientists doth protest too much, methinks.
Update II (3:38 p.m.): If I read one more comment about how we all need to stop being “judgmental” toward other people, I’m going to delete it. In fact, I’m putting the word in the spam filter so if it appears in anyone’s comment, the comment will go directly to the moderation queue for my review.
I have no authority over your soul, but I can certainly judge your actions as good, evil, or indifferent. People make judgments all the time. If I were on a jury, it would be my obligation to sit in judgment. The whole freakin’ legal system would collapse if we deemed “judging” others as wrong. What a juvenile assertion! So please, if you want to participate in the discussion, find another line of argument other than the same, old, tired tripe about being “judgmental.”
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What will their bumper stickers say?
“Proud non-parent of an aborted child.”
“Commit Random Acts of Selfishness.”
“Ask me about my abortion.”
‘One fine day, there will be an accounting’ – I can’t agree more.
I wonder what these ‘women’ think, as they’re laying there on that table… “What if my mom decided to have an abortion too?”
La Shawn, one woman said, “I wanted to do something bigger with myself — I didn’t want to be stopped by anything,” If she understood that it was a person not a thing, she could never have made that statement without weeping.
I also think the idea that having a baby “stops” a woman from succeeding is a horrible falsehood. My wife had a child at 14, was married and had a second by the time she graduated from High School, top of her class. She went on to graduate from College, again, top of her class. No doubt it would have been “easier” without the boys, but “easier” doesn’t equal success. It is the struggles that make us stronger.
Those boys, my stepsons, are grown men today with families of their own. I cannot imagine life without them and it is a shame that so many young people are considered so disposable by the abortion movement.
What stops a woman from succeeding is precisely the same thing that stops a man from succeeding and that is stopping trying.
Ultimately, this society is going to be judged based on how it treats the weakest, all societies are judged that way. The way we treat the very young and the very old is despicable.
LaShawn, ‘one day there will be an accounting’! so true. Reading that these women were to ‘celebrate’ their abortions has broken my heart. All I can think of is those innocent babies being ripped from their place of protection by the very one whose wombs protects and provides a place for growth. I am amazed at where we are and where we are going with our ‘choices’. May God forgive this evil society.
Have you seen this? So we have women celebrating the murder of their own children, and doctors warning that it’s ‘dangerous’ to view babies in the womb as.. babies.
Lord, have mercy. That day of reckoning is certainly coming.
“…and doctors warning that it’s ‘dangerous’ to view babies in the womb as.. babies.”
Whether it’s considered a ’smile’ or not… it proves the CHILD is a living, breathing, human being, who should not die for their own mothers’ narcissistic attitudes. If you don’t want the child, give the little one up for adoption, I say. There are too many people out there who long for a child to call their own… maybe they will become the next Mark Schultz, or Dave Thomas.
Amen and amen! This supposed right is nothing more than human pride manifested in its worst form. It is, in fact, playing God and deciding who lives and who does not, all in the name of personal convenience and what is best for me. On this issue the Islamists are correct in saying we are morally bankrupt.
Well, as long as no one is judgmental. My wife is pregnant and we have had all the tests and, thankfully, all is going well. But you know what? I just buried my 13 year old daughter who was born with cystic fibrosis. And, while I would love my child, no matter what, we both agreed that we don’t want to go through that again and we don’t want to watch a child suffer through that again. So, call me what you will, if the tests came back positive, we would abort. And I am glad to have that option.
I just can’t get over the hostility and judgment. Abortion is here. It’s here in the same way that gene altering will be here in a few years, the Nobel prize for medicine was just awarded for that very discovery.
You can’t, in your right mind, believe it will go away. The same number of women who have legal abortions now will have illegal ones the way they did before roe v wade. But more of them will die, which might be what you all want. I don’t know. I just know that it’s here. It’s been here for years and it’s not ever going to go away. So, find a way to live with it because this country is a much better place to live in when people agree to disagree, accept certain things they find distasteful for the good of harmony and get back to being a country not so divided. It’s bad enough so much of the rest of the world hates us, do we have to hate each other?
What’s next? Condemning people for being gay? Oops.
Well Allen, I’m certainly sorry about your daughter. For the sake of that precious baby your wife is carrying, I hope he/she is born disease-free so you see fit to let him/her live. As a Christian, I know God’s plan is over my head; I can’t explain to you why he gave you and your wife a child with a fatal disease, but I can say this: we Christians have faith that despite such tragedies, God knows what he’s doing, no matter how painful our circumstances may be. If I were carrying a Down syndrome baby, I’d trust that God’s plan for me was unfolding as it should, even if I didn’t like it. Obedience to him would be my guide, and protecting and nurturing that life would trump ALL other concerns.
Can’t speak for anyone else, but child killing is not up to me to “live with.” Like any other sin, it exists. You and your wife certainly don’t have to answer to this blogger, but since this is my blog, I will speak out against killing a child whatever the reason and judge child killers as often and as loudly as I want. I can’t stop women from slaughtering their unborn, but I can call it what it is: murder. If that upsets you or anyone else, you have the CHOICE not to read this blog.
“So, find a way to live with it because this country is a much better place to live in when people agree to disagree, accept certain things they find distasteful for the good of harmony”
I, too, am very sorry for #18’s loss, but his statement, quoted above, is not only wrong, it’s not even democratic. We should not accept things we find distasteful for the good of harmony. That’s called Communism in my book.
I am praying the Supreme Court justices rule against partial birth abortion. I can barely stand to think of the horror of that procedure.
Allen, it is indeed tragic that your daughter suffered so much and died so young. But was there nothing of her life that was worth her having lived it?
Your title is perfect. The girls and I have been emailing back and forth about this, and it really is pure narcissism. If a woman truly feels for whatever reason that she has to have an abortion, let her keep her bloody trap shut about it – it’s nothing to be proud of. And as for killing the Downs baby – if that woman had come right out and said “I’m too selfish to care for a baby like that – I don’t think I could handle it” at least we’d be able to give her points for honesty. But all her “woe is me, I was forced to make this decision” is despicable.
RG
LaShawn,
I’ve read your blog for awhile now and appreciate your willingness to embrace the hard questions. I’ve not commented before, but this subject cuts to the heart of what it means to be a human being created in God’s image.
I have a friend whose lesbian daughter and her partner have had artificial insemination done on the friend’s daughter. ( Of course they picked the “perfect†donor. Adoption was “out†because the daughter wants the experience of being pregnant.) There are two babies in utero. Now she will undergo genetic testing so that if anything is wrong like Trisomy 21 (Downs) or other problems (I don’t know which deformities have made their priority list), they can abort the babies and try again. My friend said “I would hate for my daughter to have to spend her life caring for a damaged child.†I asked her if she had ever watched the movie “Gattaca†and wondered aloud where one would draw the line if one chose to go down that slippery slope. What if the child would be diabetic? Low IQ? Be prone to developing cancer? And on and on…
I work with NICU families, and there are unforeseen birth events that can cause far greater damage to babies than Down’s (lack of oxygen leading to cerebral palsy is one). Following my friend’s logic, is it then OK to kill that newborn baby?
I see the abortion issue as a woman making herself her own god. After all, God holds the power to create life. If I decide for myself when life IS life, then am I not playing God in the most basic way?
That being said, my heart grieves for the families like Allen’s who have suffered so great a loss. This quote from C.S. Lewis comes to mind:
“To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to not one, not even to an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket – safe, dark, motionless, airless – it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable…. The only place outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers… of love is Hell.â€
K-Mom
So much for a “woman’s right to privacy.”
One of the things that bothers me about feminists who proclaim unwavering support for abortion for any reason is that they never quite address the part about how abortion really affects women emotionally and spiritually. I worked in a recovery room that had two doctors that performed 3 or 4 abortions a month ****please note, I did not facilitate the abortions in any way- I was assigned to other patients*****. I would say that most, if not all, of these girls and young women seemed to be getting their abortions because a boyfriend or parents insisted that they do so. All except one, woke up crying in the recovery room and were weepy and so sad as they were discharged. So much for “choice”. One can only imagine the pain they were feeling. Killing one’s young is not a natural instinct. I can only say that from my professional and personal observations, that most of the women are haunted by guilt for the rest of their lives by the memory of the baby they aborted. This is where I don’t think feminists are truthful and honest. When a woman finds out she is pregnant, the life of the fetus has already begun. Aborting that fetus does not undo the fact that that life existed. It is not so easy to wipe that memory away. Nine months of pregnancy seems like a far less harmful choice to mother and baby, than a lifetime of guilt and the loss of life that abortion brings to so many. Abortion may sound like a quick solution to a “long term” problem, but choosing life for your baby is really a long term solution to a short term problem. It seems to me that stunts like this ad are really just a variation of the misery loves company theory.
The Ms. Magazine is clearly a disgrace. If the women featured are ever blessed and give birth to a child, they’ll understand the true nature of abortion. It’s murder and mutilation, plain and simple. How do we know that a woman’s body isn’t irreversibly damaged during this process?
I’ve often wondered about the epidemic (seems like an epidemic to me, but maybe it’s not scientifically) of women undergoing fertility treatments because they are unable to conceive. I wonder how many of these women had abortions earlier in their lives.
I’ve got a close friend (same age as me) who told me she had an abortion when she was 16. She ’s been trying to conceive now (naturally) since I had my first child almost 8 years ago. She can’t get pregnant. I wonder why.
I had my daughter when I was 18 and going into my senior year at high school. I was faced with the decision to keep the baby or abort. Know what? I kept her and that little girl in turn saved my life years later. I had a severe asthma attack and she called 911 because I was barely breathing and couldn’t talk. I get down on my knees and thank God I did the right thing. I had decided that I couldn’t abort my child and then expect myself to go on and bare other children in the future and keep them. I thought it would be wrong and selfish of me to do so. That day I had the attack would have been my last if it wasn’t for her. Too many girls are being raised that this kind of thing is okay when its not.
Please try to be more open minded, especially if you have never been in a similar situation. Abortion is sometimes very necessary, and not an easy decision to arrive at. So what if my mother had decided to abort me? Obviously I wouldn’t have a thing to say about it, because I would not exist! Get off of your high horses already! There are too many children being born to mothers who are incapable of raising them to be productive members of society. I heard the mother of a juvenile delinquent say that the only reason her criminally minded son was born is because she couldn’t afford the price of an abortion. Is this what you want? A bunch of bad, fatherless children who will probably grow up to be society’s worst nightmare? To all of the “Pro-lifers” who use the Bible to condemn women who have abortions- please remember that judgment is reserved for God.
I understand that this is your blog and you have the right to voice your opinions, but please, do not continue to promote such intolerance. Labeling women who have had abortions as child killers is preposterous, and dangerous. People with similar thinking have actually killed doctors and employees of abortion clinics. Living breathing people that you can SEE, not the contents of some womans uterus. Please do not take this as a personal attack; I just worry when people get up in arms about something that does not concern them. Just as it is your right to have a baby, it is my right not to if I so choose. You and Congress have nothing to do with any other person’s internal organs.
So generous of you to acknowledge whose blog this is. I tend to pull in the opposite direction when people tell me what to do, so that tactic doesn’t work well with me. If you find this post disagreeable, I’d advise you to read blogs that conform to your way of thinking. By the way, murder, Christiane, concerns all of us. – Admin
Amen #20. I watched incest tear apart my father’s side of the family. My great aunt gave birth to her father’s children, two boys and one girl. I remember by aunt, who has since passed away saying that she wished she lived in a time where abortion would have been an option. Not only was she cast out of the family and her community, she had to raise her brothers and sisters as her children. Those kids went on to have horrible lives and her oldest son went on to do the same thing to his daughters.
To hear people disregard abortion seems very judgemental. Sure, some people use it as a method of birth control but there are many women out there who have other more severe circumstances. I know that if I were a victim of rape or incest and became pregnant. I would not think twice about whether or not to abort.
Read the update to this post, Update II, before you comment again. – Admin
Oh, didn’t you know? “Abortion Parties” are all the rage. Sort of like a depraved Tupperware, party, or baby-shower-gone-wrong…
The women all get together and celebrate, a cake decorated like a fetus ???
Along the lines of those trendy “divorce parties” where the woman and her gal-pals, give gifts, hoot and hollar, to celebrate breaking up their children’s families.
In all fairness: some people will find any reason to have a party….the opening of a file cabinent etc…
Still, celebrating evil as some sort of milestone is a new low, I would think.
#20. Christine Metoyer-Rochon reminds us that “judgment is reserved for God.” Amen to that.
I know the part where God said “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” But I am not sure where God said “But Abortion Doesn’t Count.”
If a woman judges to kill the fetus within her body, that would seem to me to be making a judgmental decision. But wait, judgment is reserved for God.
Now my brain itches. I hate it when that happens.
Another comment above is that some abortions are necessary. Well, let’s pin those down and make the abortion procedure as rare as possible. It doesn’t satisfy my beliefs, but at least it is a movement in the right direction.
Currently, for many women abortion is little more than an inconvenient form of birth control. Why don’t mothers just implant pregnancy control in their daughters before they send them out to play? Or is there some ethical dilemma I don’t understand?
As genetic testing becomes more and more precise, how long will the list for killing damaged goods grow?
I really don’t think a lot of scaredy cats should be allowed to procreate. They should go to the orphanage and get a full readout on the specimen kid and sit down at home and decide if “it” has the features they are looking for. Maybe they could find a money-back guarantee agency where they can ship “it” back if “it” comes down with a disease or breaks “it’s” spine or something. But taking the risk on building the kid and then being stuck with the results is so………….primitive!
“I would say that most, if not all, of these girls and young women seemed to be getting their abortions because a boyfriend or parents insisted that they do so.”
You’d think feminists would be more concerned about how much power abortion-on-demand has put in the hands of MEN. Legal abortion is the best thing that ever happened to MEN. I’ll guarantee you for every gal getting an abortion, there is a guy who said “get rid of it!” Or the girl already knows the drill and just goes and does it on her own. No one will stand with her when they know it’s legal and easy enough to GET RID OF IT.
And oh, society is just so much better now, isn’t it? all our problems just went away after Roe.
There are too many children being born to mothers who are incapable of raising them to be productive members of society.
I’m sure I’ll be accused of taking the above quote out of context, but here goes…
So, are you saying that it’s perfectly fine for anyone to go and murder these not-so-well-to-do members of society simply because they aren’t “productive?†What, in your eyes, is productive? Perhaps their purpose on this earth has nothing to do with how ‘productive’ they are.
Almost sounds like a quote from A Christmas Carol… “If they would rather die, . . . they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.â€
Alduous Huxley would be so proud of some of these views…
Well, I see mostly women have commented, but I’ll jump in anyway. I first saw this story on Hot Air and was going to comment but didn’t. I guess I’ll say something here.
Our child came along after 40yrs of age for me and over 35 for my wife. Because of that we were sent to specialists and the sonograms and other tests told us to expect a Downs’ Syndrome baby. We were given the option to abort. Amazingly we had no problems with saying no. No thought was necessary. I pity the poor woman who decided to kill – yes, kill – her unborn child because of the possibility of DS.
I posted my belief that abortion is wrong in every circumstance on a website once and was told by another poster that my post was the stupidest thing he had ever seen on the internet. Guess he hadn’t been around much…. OK,a woman gets raped? The child didn’t do it. Incest? The child didn’t do it. Deformities? The child didn’t do it. But abortion in all those cases would only punish the child, not the predator or the disease. Those who rant and rave about our views concerning the destruction of unborn life keep forgetting that they demand their views be enforced, but those who disagree must be silenced.
Hypocrisy of the highest order. I also love those who scream “keep your laws off my body!” Well, how about you keeping your hands off my tax money that funds your “choice?” Won’t ever hear them refuse that I think. No, it must be abortion for any reason and they would have it backed up with the government’s force of arms.
A sad, dirty business. Too bad people think abortion will solve their problems. Sure, had we chosen to abort Sarah we wouldn’t have any of the problems we have with her: she won’t listen, she aggravates us no end with her antics, she constantly runs away when we call her, she won’t stay quiet in church, she messes up her room, she makes a mess eating, she makes dirty diapers, she jumps all over the beds; but she also is very cute, she loves taking showers, she likes being picked up, she’ll even give kisses once in a while, all despite the fact that she doesn’t have Downs’ Syndrome. I pity the one who missed out on an opportunity just because someone said the child might have a disability.
Of those mothers who kill their infants because it’s not “convenient”, one must wonder what their reaction will be when one of their surviving children finds that taking care of mother in her “golden years” isn’t convenient. Or is there a different sauce for the goose?
Cassandra, I think abortion or “choice” as some like to call it is one of the biggest hoaxes on women today. I would venture to guess that most decisions to get an abortion are made by someone other than the pregnant woman. Was it Molly Yard (former leader of NOW) who likened an abortion to a tooth extraction? It is an excellent “insurance policy” for the male.
>>I heard the mother of a juvenile delinquent say that the only reason her criminally minded son was born is because she couldn’t afford the price of an abortion.>>
I think I’d tell that mother that 99 44/100% of criminals are made, not born. I grant that there are probably criminals with either genetic or congenital deficiencies that cause them to become criminals – it’ll sure be a good thing when we learn to diagnose them early – but most criminals are made by irresponsible parents after the “criminal” is born.
Did she attempt to put the baby in an adoptive home? How many adoption offers did she reject?
>>I heard the mother of a juvenile delinquent say that the only reason her criminally minded son was born is because she couldn’t afford the price of an abortion.>>
Maybe the reason the poor kid was the way he was, was because he had a mother like that. What kind of a mother would say that about her child? I bet that Mother probably felt her $300.00 was better spent on crack.
La Shawn:
You referred to these women as narcissistic, but consider this: the basic difference between a narcissist and a psychopath is that the former has a conscience and the latter does not – or the latter’s is seared as with a branding iron.
So maybe they’re not narcissists at all. Maybe we need to be more discerning and precise about this particular gaggle of women: they are psychopathic, not narcissistic.
Amen and amen to LSB, and all the posters above who see abortion for what it is: murder, perhaps not absolute 1st degree on the part of the mothers, since most are in denial about the humanity of their unborn children, but arguably on the part of the so-called doctors, who certainly ought to know, and do it for profit no less. If some claim that this encourages murder of the abortionists, N.B.: 1) I officially and thoroughly discourage anyone from killing an abortionist. It’s not legal and is arguably immoral, since it would encourage lawlessness, and we still have an opportunity to end abortion legally and nonviolently; 2) Other than the illegality of killing an abortionist, what exactly would the pro-’choice’ crowd’s objection to it be? That it’s morally wrong? Sez who?
To all of the mostly admirable and on-target comments about this shameful practice, I would only add this encouraging note: those who favor abortion are dying off. Demographics is destiny, and the religionists of one stripe or another will be in the majority in 20 yrs. All the liberals better hope that conservative Christians are in the majority in their neighborhood. For all of our bigoted, violent, misogynistic ways, at least we don’t topple walls on the heads of homosexuals, etc, a la the followers of the religion of peace…
Abortion has never made sense to me on any level.
It isn’t natural and it did a good deal of harm to any woman I’ve known who has had one. I don’t know if any of them are one of the 5000 on the list, but if you have to promote your decision in a magazine to try and make yourself feel better or unashamed, I would question the reasoning behind that decision.
I’ve also never understood how, if a child is wanted, it’s a baby from the moment the test stick turns blue. But, if it isn’t wanted, it’s simply an invasive mass of tissue that one can dispose of within a certain time period. If you wanted to philosophically debate what “is is” and what constitutes reality, have at it, but for my money, I’m betting when the test stick turns blue, it’s a baby in there whether you’re ready or not.
As a person whose had occasion to have 2 children of my own, one planned and one not, I will say it would worry me if what I was growing inside me could have been anything else BUT a baby. If left untouched, what I was carrying would end up as a baby plain & simple. So, to attempt to make a case that if it’s sucked out during the magic timetable it somehow isn’t stopping a baby from being born makes no sense.
“I’ll guarantee you for every gal getting an abortion, there is a guy who said “get rid of it!â€
Don’t speak for me, I fought tooth and nail against it, only to lose what for me I was sure was my son! Her choice, her body, it was 30 years ago and I’m not over it.
I thank the dear lord I now have three great kids, two girls, and now a son!
I’m on the fence about this one. I don’t think having an abortion should be celebrated, nor do I condone abortion on demand for any reason. I believe there are valid reasons for abortions. Down Syndrome doesn’t seem like one of them, but then with out extensive resources sometimes raising a child with down syndrome can be very harrowing.
I would never force a woman who has been raped or is bearing a child from incest to bear that child. I also wouldn’t expect anyone to keep a child that had severe deformaties or disease. In some cases these pregnancies abort themselves. And I wouldn’t call a woman who does such a “baby killer”
The “What if your mother aborted you?” argument is kind of lame because they wouldn’t know it.
Women have been aborting babies since being able to get pregnant. So abortion in itself is not abnormal or a sign of the times. What bothers me if anything is the loosy goosy use of abortion and idiots trying to say a baby is a blob of tissue. Maybe up to five weeks(and its still technically a human baby), but after that there is a clear undeveloped human there with arms, legs, brain, eyes.
Too sarcastic. And unnecessary. Thanks for the mini-lesson, but you didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know. Technically, a juror renders a verdict, but the juror sits in judgment, as I’ve stated. Here are the facts: An unborn baby is human being. The law: Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, without justification or provocation. The verdict: I find the abortionist and the woman guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Satisfied? – Admin
#37 And what about a judge? Do judges sit in judgment or do we just call them judges because we think its a spiffy name? Get real, our legal system AND our society require judgments be made – if we didn’t make any there wouldn’t be any of those pesky things called laws. Everyone would just do whatever the heck they wanted and no one would ever have to answer for anything because you know, that would be “judging” them.
#20 “There are too many children being born to mothers who are incapable of raising them to be productive members of society.”
And there are plenty of loving couples out there desperate to adopt those very children and raise them to be productive members of society. If it wasn’t so sickening I would find it mildly entertaining that people like you always act as though there is no such thing as adoption and so obviously the child is better off dead.
I had an abortion 3 days after my 22nd birthday.
It is the worst thing I have ever done. I have regretted it every single day of my life. I wish I could go back and un-do it. I was scared and I panicked and didn’t feel I could tell anyone but my boyfriend, who was just as panicked as I was. If abortion had been illegal, I never would have had one.
I don’t know how any woman could be happy with this decision. I wish I had married my boyfriend (we were actually engaged, but after the abortion, I broke up with him) and had the baby. We would have found a way to make it work. Instead, every July 26, I think about the child I never had who would now be 20 years old. I have never married (despite several proposals) and have no children.
If God isn’t punishing me, then I’m doing a pretty job of punishing myself. I deserve it. And I’m not even dead yet.
Just in case it wasn’t clear in my post above — my regret isn’t just that I don’t have a child now (it’s all about me!), it’s that I KILLED MY OWN BABY. I have committed a grievous sin by taking another human life. That’s what causes my sorrow. I knew it was wrong and I did it anyhow.
anon, there is complete forgiveness and healing in Christ.
anon, all people commit sins. Continuing to punish yourself for something you are truly sorry for is not a good thing. So many girls are told that abortion is a good thing for them. You were duped into thinking that it was the only solution for you. I am sure that the people who helped you get your abortion did not tell you of other options. I think you would benefit from some counseling to help you get over the pain your abortion has caused you and to help you forgive yourself. Contact your local Pro Life group and ask them for a referral for good, post abortion counselor or support group. You don’t even have to give your name. The Catholic Church has a group called “Project Rachael”, they will not judge you, they will help you. You may not believe this, but there are many who can help you. You are not alone in your feelings; plenty of other women feel the same way. Please get some help.
I am so very glad that I am only judged by God and not by man.
Tiffany:
Perhaps you find comfort in the fact that, as you say, “I am only judged by God and not by man,” but that scares the crap out of me. I’m not convinced God is going to wink at things, pat us on the head and say, “Well, don’t you worry even a little bit about murdering others. Everything is just fine.”
It is, as it is written, “a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
You’d better be right, Tiffany, because if you’re not . . .
Thank you Dr Mike for proving me right as you judged my “rightness with God’ with your very statement.
I always find it strange when people say they’d rather be judged by God. Based on my reading of the Bible, God requires perfect obedience to the law, and his “verdict” for even one transgression is eternal damnation. That is, unless you’ve accepted Christ as your personal Savior. Otherwise, you’re toast.
I don’t know where people get the idea that God’s justice is somehow milder or “fair” compared to man’s. If he chose to, God could condemn us all for rebelling against him. But in his mercy, he doesn’t! When it comes to God judging our sins, his mercy is what we want, not his justice.
I don’t want to be offensive, but are we sure that #43 is real? Sadly, there are many people who will concoct stories out of thin air to drive home their point.
The left does it all the time, and as much as we on the right don’t like to admit, we do it too.
Well because I HAVE accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and have a personal relationship with him, I was a bit annoyed that Dr Mike in his infinite wisdom assumed that I didn’t. In fact, I am fortunate to have the mercy of my Father who would no doubt be kinder than man.
That’s what I meant by my statement.
I might be more liberal-moderate but I am not Godless and I resent any such implication that I am.
That’s what I like about you, Tiffany. You’re as sensitive as I am!
– Admin
The “Quad-Screen” blood tests came back positive for trisomy 18; the ultrasound showed hardly any amniotic fluid as well as other “anomalies” that – according to the doctors – precluded any kind of chance at survival.
So according to you the proper and humane thing to have done would have been to let this poor little baby keep on growing inside my wife’s womb until miscarriage or delivery…keep on growing even though we knew there was no hope – no hope – of anything other than a short (Hours? maybe a day or two?) life filled with suffering before the merciful end?
We’re both decent, Christian, conservative people and thank God we have two beautiful boys but we made the decision to abort because it was the merciful and compassionate thing to do.
My wife’s anguiushed question through her choking sobs – “So there’s no hope? No hope at all?” still tears at my heart…the saddest thing I’ve ever heard. And this from a guy whose parents / grandparents / aunts / uncles are all dead.
Moralize all you want – call us murderers if it makes you feel somehow superior. I will face the good Lord with a clean conscience, knowing that we did the right thing by not prolonging the suffering of my wife or our blessed little baby.
And face him, we all will. You moralize; we moralize. In the end, does it really matter? Don’t look to me to answer the hard questions, anonymous person. That’s between you and God. Since child killing is legal in America, you have nothing to worry on this end, do you? – Admin
Although you insult me, I feel sorry for you. Your anger toward God is the real problem, not this blog post. I’ll certainly keep you in my prayers. – Admin
tomaig, I am not meaning to insult you, but how do you really know “that we did the right thing by not prolonging the suffering of my wife or our blessed little baby”. Did you really lessen the suffering of your wife and blessed baby by aborting the baby a few weeks or months before his birth? Do you not think that the baby did not suffer while it was being aborted? Would it not have been more humane to let this baby die a natural death? Do you not think your wife did not suffer some guilt knowing that she aborted her baby? I wonder about the logic here and I wonder about the truth. I am truly sorry for the loss of your baby.
Belle,
The logic seems very simple. They were going to have a baby that would suffer a prolonged (slow) and painful death after it was born. That is if you know what a trisomy 18 defect is.
Zaki, not only do I know what trisomy 18 defect is, I also know what a baby is! Not all of these babies suffer a slow and painful death after he or she is born. Many of them die a natural death before they are even born. But all babies who are aborted do indeed suffer a slow and painful death. My original question was how does tomaig know that the abortion made the experience any easier for the Mom or the Baby, something you did not answer.
Belle so you knew that their particularly baby was going to die a fast happy death? You don’t have the details of what the extent of this child’s anomalies were.
How do you know carrying to term and the birth of the baby would make the experience any better for mom or baby? Assuming the baby would have been born live
We don’t know, that’s why we should not lay judgement on them and tell them what they should or should have not done.
I don’t even know what I would have done in that situation.
Tiffany:
Let me clarify a few things without (hopefully) offending your sensibilities or trampling on your sensitivities.
1. I did not assume that you were godless or a non-Christian. The verse I quoted is directed at believers, not unbelievers, as a warning. I, too, am a believer, but I do not fail to fear God’s judgment on the deeds I’ve done or committed as a Christian.
2. You are correct: I did affirm your statement that you will be judged by God and not men and women.
3. Even though the above is correct, that does not mean that it is always wise to ignore what others are saying. Maybe what they are saying is correct; if not, perhaps they are at least trying to say something in love.
Your snarky “in his infinite wisdom” indicates that you chose to read my words as an angry attack. Actually, I was concerned because people often choose to turn a deaf ear and employ statements such as, “Well, you’re not my judge; God is my judge” in order to continue thinking or doing whatever it is that is being discussed.
I did not intend to offend, although obviously you were offended. I apologize for any offense I may have given, although I’ll not take responsibility for whatever offense you might have taken. I know I am too harsh, abrasive, caustic, and arrogant at times – I keep God busy as He works to conform me to the image of Christ. I started late, was more ugly and sinful than most, and have come a long way – but I still feel I’m far behind most others.
But, despite my sinfulness, my wounds are meant to be the faithful wounds of a friend; would you prefer the deceitful kisses of an enemy? I may have had godly motives but done the wrong thing – that does not excuse whatever offense I may have given. And I have learned not to expect grace and/or mercy from those I try to correct. In this I am rarely disappointed.
But perhaps there’s not a lot of grace or mercy in me, either. Maybe I’m just another sinner trying to help.
#51 — #43 here — I don’t know what I would need to do to convince you that my story is real. How about the details of what happens in an abortion? That you actually go in two days beforehand so a small wooden stick can be insterted into the cervix to slowly dilate it? How about the fact that I babbled repeatedly to the doctor that I was sure I was going to hell for what I was doing and so was he? That he told me that he got a lot of Catholic girls in his office because they wouldn’t use birth control and I replied indignantly that I had indeed used birth control but it hadn’t worked. (NB Don’t ever trust the sponge.) That I am furious at my former boyfriend (now a professor at UVA) because he is now married with three kids and why has his life worked out just fine?
Do you really think someone would need to make up a story about regretting an abortion? Or do you buy into NOW’s agenda that getting an abortion is as easy as clipping your fingernails?
What is my motivation to make this up? There are only a handful of people in the world who know about this because I am so ashamed about it. Why would I risk exposure? That is, why would I risk breaking my mother’s heart? She has no grandchildren but would love to have some. The last thing she needs to know is that I killed her grandchild. LaShawn has an email address for me. Not one I use regularly, but still. He could trace me.
PS Thanks for the support and the information about Project Rachel, etc, the rest of you.
This is a topic revisited by my husband and I every once in awhile. We are adoptive parents, and though we know the circumstances of our son’s birth (or think we know; you can’t ever know 100%), there are plenty of people who belong to our adoptive parents’ group who do not. One couple we know has the most adorable boy who was abandoned on the doorstep of an orphanage. Another we know has a gorgeous girl who was abandoned at the hospital when the biological mother took off shortly after giving birth. The point I’m making is that most children are adopted without parents really knowing for sure whether that child was a product of rape or incest, or from otherwise “undesirable” background, but it makes no difference to us. When my husband and I first saw our child, we knew he was meant to be our son. His biological origin was immaterial; he was undernourished and underloved, and he looked at us with a frightened two-year old face that needed to learn how to trust. Now, he is a strapping, funny, smart five year old who just started kindergarten. His biological origin is meaningless; it’s clear to us that his soul with given to us by God, and that’s what is important. To prejudge a child’s worth in the womb is beyond my comprehension.
Tomaig, I’m going to jump in and play Devil’s Advocate with a story from my family. My cousin and his wife had a child with a similar defect to your daughter’s (I can’t remember the name, it was many years ago, but it was a chromosomal defect with the same prognosis as your child’s). They chose not to abort, and the child was born as expected, with many defects, difficulty breathing, and a hole in her heart. She was given hours to live. She actually lived for 3 weeks. I know the situation must have been terribly painful for you, and I’m only relaying this to make a point for others who may struggle with this issue. I truly am very sorry for your loss.
My cousin and his wife took the baby home with oxygen and monitors, the hospital said they could no longer keep the child in the hospital since she was not in acute danger but more of a Hospice case. In those three weeks, the baby got to see and know her brother, her mom, her dad, her grandparents, her uncles and aunt, cousins, and even great-grandparents. There’s something freeing when you know that your time with someone is limited, and family members came to celebrate her life. She died peacefully, though she lived laboriously, holding her mother’s hand. It was absolutely devastating for our family.
My mother-in-law, who is very pro-abortion, especially in cases of disability and cases like my cousin’s, was apalled that they “allowed the child to live,” and especially appalled when my aunt went through their photo album with my then-4-year old and explained that the angels came to take the baby away because she was in so much pain. It’s a very different way of looking at the same situation, but I’m more comfortable with what my cousin and his wife did, though undoubtedly my mother-in-law’s way, and yours, would have been much easier.
Zakia, you just don’t get it. I don’t know what this kind of death this particular baby would have had any more than the mother and father knew. My question if you would bother to read and comprehend it, was how do they know that their abortion made the situation any easier? Can you honestly say that the act of abortion was less traumatic than dying a natural death in your parent’s arms? I can honestly say that abortion is a violent act. No one can deny that. Based upon that premise, logically how can the abortion lessen the suffering of the baby. I can see where someone might think that the abortion might lessen the pain of the parents, but I don’t really see any proof of that. I am not convinced that aborting their baby lessened the grief or made their loss any less. You accuse me of “judging” (sorry La Shawn!), but all I am questioning is how abortion lessens the pain in these sad situations. Nobody has really shown that it does. I guess I hit a nerve.
Belle I would say for some people it does. I’m sure not every single woman who has had an abortion is broken up about having an abortion.
Everyone is different.
It pains me to read this when I’m sitting here feeling my own darling daughter kick and punch and hiccup in my belly. This pregnancy wasn’t exactly “planned,” but it is clearly part of God’s plan. My husband and I accepted the gift with joy (and some trepidation). Just over a week after the positive home test I started to bleed, and I feared for my baby–when I really started to bleed, I drove myself, sobbing to the emergency room. Did the baby die? So early and I was already bracing for the grief.
I continued to live in fear for the next 7 weeks (through the rest of the first trimester) while continuing to bleed–even though I had seen her heart beating with my own eyes at just 7 weeks pregnant (5 weeks after conception). Now she is growing, and in a few months (hopefully) she will be born, fat and healthy.
I knew this little one was a baby from the second the faintest bit of a line appeared on the stick. It pains me (and I am admittedly a bit emotional these days) to read about these tragedies. The only comfort is knowing that the babies, one and all, were accepted into His Kingdom.
Katyf
I have a baby due in a few months now. I could say the first few weeks I had no attachment to her. To early to tell if it was viable or would miscarry in those early stages, plus due to a uterine anomalie I couldn’t honestly tell if this was something that was going to last.
I mainly don’t understand the ‘blob of tissue’ crap coming out of pro-choice advocates. I’m pro-choice, although on the restrictive side, but I think it should be clear that a human being is being removed, not a blob of tissue. When I saw the heart beating at 5 weeks, and my baby’s little arms and legs wiggling around at 10 weeks it was clear to me that if anyone is having an abortion that should know exactly what is being aborted (what exact type of decision they are making).
Zakia, that scares me.
Belle
what scares you?
What scares me is that you have found some sort of validation for people to kill an innocent human life.
Belle,
ahh okay. I thought it was maybe that I was procreating.
#33 Interesting. If that’s true (and I believe you’re right), we’ve got the mothers of 30 million aborted babies running around in this country that need to get under psychiatric care. Actually, they need to hear some expounding on the sixth commandment and then the Gospel. Another interesting thing to note is that one of the very reasons God sent the Israelites into Canaan was as a judgment upon the Cananites (Dt 9:4). The Canaanites were sacrificing their firstborn children to their god (Molech) (Dt 18:9-10). I’m not saying that America is the new Israel, I’m just saying that God views child sacrifice with particular contempt.
“I don’t want to be offensive, but are we sure that #43 is real? Sadly, there are many people who will concoct stories out of thin air to drive home their point.
The left does it all the time, and as much as we on the right don’t like to admit, we do it too. ”
While people do make up stories all the time, the particular story about regretting an abortion or any major life decision is not uncommon, especially with 20-20 hindsight and one’s life not having lived up to expectations. Most divorced people regret getting married.
For all we know Anon could be a teenage religious fundamentalist parroting an older person’s story or an actual older person – and I am not sure it matters.
The made-up stories that upset me are stories claiming to have been there for things that never happened or rarely happened such as:
“I worked for Politician X and he was a thiefâ€
“I knew the Black Panthers and they were all fine law-abiding young men from nice famiilesâ€
I don’t think anyone plans on being divorced or ending up in prison, but it happens, sometimes repeatedly to the same people. Many women don’t plan on being unmarried or in a bad marriage at 40.
Anom – assuming you are not making it up, it’s in the past. I think a major tenent of Christianity is confession and forgiveness of sins if you think it’s a sin – or get over it with help from a group if you need it. Everyone has had someone who got away. You might be better off reading personal ads on Match.com instead of wasting time on should have, could have, would have.
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