Wednesday, January 17: Post closed to commenting. Go fill up this one!
Saturday, January 13 (5:08 p.m.): Nifong is off the Duke case. Now others will have to clean up his mess…
Later on the radio…Oops. Don’t say “ejaculate” on the radio! 
Friday, January 12 @ 5:35 p.m.: Mike Nifong tries to slither away.
How many days will pass before all charges are dropped? Catch me on Tammy Bruce’s show tomorrow night around 6:15 9:15 p.m. EST.
Update II (1/12): DNA expert Brian Meehan, one of Mike Nifong’s co-conspirators, will appear on “60 Minutes” this Sunday at 8:00 p.m.
Later…I’m appearing on Tammy Bruce’s show tomorrow night around 6:15 p.m. EST to talk about this case.
Stunning Update (1/11 @ 1:43 p.m.): Whaaaa?? The stripper-accuser now claims Reade Seligmann “did not commit any sex acts on her” but he watched. Oh, honey, get on your knees…and ask God to forgive you for this web of lies. And for being a stripper…
As I wrote in an earlier post, unless they’d knocked me out cold, there’d be plenty of DNA evidence if three men tried to rape me, especially regarding a…certain “forced” act. The man’s blood…and tissue…would be all over me, all over the floor. The crime scene would look like something out a horror movie.
Yet, there was no DNA evidence linking Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, or David Evans to the “victim.” Didn’t she try to fight back?
A commenter in the ABC 11 TV forum says, “Also, have you visited La Shawn Barber’s blog? You remind me of her in your post. I like La Shawn but cannot stand the religious aspect and some of the right wing ideology.”
Well, it’s one big package. I’m glad you like the Duke posts, but the religious and “right wing” stuff are a part of this blog, too.
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CHECK. THIS. OUT. From today’s News & Observer (emphasis added):
“In her latest statement to investigators [from December 21], the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape case changed her account again about when the alleged gang rape occurred, who attacked her and how…Defense attorneys filed the statement in court today, arguing that it was more evidence that the woman is an unreliable witness.
“The woman adjusted the timing of the assault to earlier in the evening, a time point preceding the well-documented alibi of one accused player, Reade Seligmann. The defense, however, introduced yet more alibi evidence for Seligmann: he was on the cell phone with his girlfriend during the height of the attack as the accuser now times it.”
Doh!
Get your gang-rape fantasy story straight, woman! Someone’s gonna think you’re lying about the whole thing. (Hat tip: Wizbang)
More thoughts later. Paying bills…
More Duke blogging: The Johnsville News, LieStoppers, Crystal Mess, Durham-in-Wonderland, John in Carolina…For more info, see the Duke Rape Case archives, 37 posts deep.
ABC links to latest defense motions.
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How polite; “an unreliable witness”
Not only is this woman a hooker and a liar hoping to blackmail three young white men out of millions (oh yeah, the civil suit is just waiting), she is also incredibly stupid.
You would think she could keep her story sorta-kinda-a-little-straight? What has it changed, like 10 times now? Now that time line alibis have been made public, the time line changes? Now that we know there was no mustache, it was just a 5 o’clock shadow? Now one didn’t participate, he just watched? Now a totally different man forced her to give oral sex than she originally stated?
Compare this with how many times the accused story has changed…let’s see, lemme add it up, OK, I have it…NEVER!
The story told by the accused and the other players at the party has never changed one time!
Dismiss this travesty Nifong you stinking sore on the butt of humanity!
I think I just heard on the radio that she now says Reid declined to participate in the rape because he was getting married!!! How very gallant! Cuckoo…cuckoo…cuckoo…;(
don’t strip. scholarship. rev. al and jesse…where are you?
This young woman is mentally disturbed or deficient and is being used by a prosecutor who is pursuing this case out of regard for his own backside and none for the law.
At best Nifong is incompetent (He didn’t interview her until DECEMBER 21st – when the supposed rape occurred in MARCH? What’s up with THAT! And even when he finally did have her interviewed he sent someone else?) At worst, quoting Jeannine Piro, former prosecutor of Westchester County, NY, “he is something more sinister”. Nifong never interviewed or had anyone from his office interview any of the accused young men. He is relying entirely on the kaleidescope of stories being purveyed by the accuser?
Mike Nifong is a total idiot!
KC Johnson lays out the damning facts with crystal clarity today, as do you, La Shawn.
And even when he finally did have her interviewed he sent someone else?) . . . Nifong never interviewed or had anyone from his office interview any of the accused young men. He is relying entirely on the kaleidescope of stories being purveyed by the accuser?
By not listening to exculpatory evidence, he avoided having to present that evidence to the Grand Jury (which would never have indicted had it heard it); so he got his indictment;
and by refusing to personally speak to any of the principals and relying on intermediaries, he is protecting himself from any consequences (as in the Gell case), because it wasn’t “him” who was fabriciating evidence, it was his underlings.
He is not crazy but very shrewd, and he had known exactly what he is doing from the very beginning.
It’s always been a calculated frame-up.
And the North Carolina bar, judicial system, and the ‘watchdog press’ has let him get away with everything, for months.
How polite; “an unreliable witnessâ€
Indeed – how I love the use of euphemisms.
Lashawn,
Glad to see your still on the case. Please ask everyone to WRITE or CALL the NC State Bar Counselors. I posted all their address on earlier thread. I have been told that the heat is getting to them. Also on Lie stoppers board the word is 60 minutes is going to do a story on the case again this Sunday. Stay tuned!!
Kemp
Just imagine if you were the accused without the finances to hire a decent attorney. Whatever rationale I ever had in my mind that this woman was a victim of Nifong has gone out the window. At one point I thought that she may have been prompted and encouraged by this corrupt DA, but no more. To this day she continues to lie. As for Nifong, I’m incredulous that he still walks the streets as a free man. I think he should be in jail.
I’ve heard alien abduction tales that were more plausible.
She just decided she deserved to get paid.
The crime scene would look like something out a horror movie.
I just hope the next time a woman actually is gang-raped, regardless of her skin color or the skin of the perps, the police don’t think about Precious in Raleigh trying to make a buck and blow her off.
I can only imagine Cash Michaels spin on this. How she can possibly spin this positively will be the news story of the year.
I have followed this blog since this hoax started. I was among the minority in the beginning who didn’t buy it. I almost feel like I know LaShawn, Kemp and TaterC. With the latest news today I have become very frustrated and impatient — I really do not understand how this madness can be continuing. I have a son (Af-Am)who attends Duke and he loves it there. He had mentioned to me once that he might consider staying in Durham for about a year after he graduates. Being from NC, at first I found this somewhat okay since I still have family there. However, since this mess, I have told him in no uncertain terms that I want him out of Durham as soon as he graduates. I don’t care whether Nifong is still there or not, I want him out.
I have just one word to describe the latest developments: UN-FUDGING-BELIEVABLE!
Regarding Ms. Cathy N. Davidson’s 01/05/07 article News&Observer, as much as she may want people to believe her justifications for throwing young inexperienced students to a mob of opportunistic political groups that descended onto Duke to catch a piece of the media pie, the simple fact is that she had a choice to stand for justice or to inflame the mob, and her choice was wrong!
Students 18 and 19 may be legally “adults”, but they’re still students. Ms. Davidson and 87 other faculty members representing Duke decided to join the mob while Duke’s president showed himself impotent as a leader. Duke’s faculty should know better! As a parent, I would never trust a school who so quickly throws their own students to the whims of a ranting mob.
I agree with post#15.
I have four boys and my older two have already gotten letters from several colleges. We’ve talked about Duke and the way the university threw these kids to the wolves.
Even though these Duke boys are 18 and 19, they are still kids and not experienced with organized racists and feminists groups.
People talk about the actions of normal boys wanting to see naked women dance, but no one is emphasizing the actions of mature and supposedly educated instructors inflaming mob behavior upon their own students.
e_alex,
I have been exchanging email insults with Cash Michaels all day today. This person really tries to blame everyone except for Crystal.
Nifong’s trial before the state bar set for
May 11 –
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1134166/
Durham — A trial date is now set for the ethics complaint filed against Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong.
(snip)
Nifong’s trial is set for May 11.
He hired an attorney from Winston-Salem to defend him.
A three-member panel will decide guilt or innocence, and then, depending on the outcome, impose a sentence. That could be anything from a warning to being disbarred.
Please tell me that Nifong will have to pay this lawyer out of his own funds. Hopefully the State doesn’t have some type of rules in place that pay this for him because the charges are in relation to his position.
I was one of those people that thought something wasn’t quite right about this from the start. I’m not going to say I was confidently telling everyone it was a hoax in the beginning, because I wasn’t. I just didn’t know one way or the other, and I had a feeling things were going to change as more was revealed. And what has been revealed at this point is that she’s been making it up as she goes along. How tragic. And just like Jennifer Wilbanks, I imagine a book and made for TV movie deal will follow soon enough: “How I Pretended I Was Raped and Got Paid”.
Group of 88, 88 = HH in racist slang and stands for “Heil Hitler” Interesting tack by the professors.
The fact that Nifong’s office didn’t interview this woman until December is a big part of all this.
One of the reasons the woman who made the false rape charge over that 2004 incident in the Bronx firehouse had her false charge fall apart so quickly was that both the NYPD and the the Bronx DA’s office DID THEIR JOBS!
Here it seems the local police knew she’d given multiple versions of the story, but Nifong took the investigation out of their hands and moved forward, without the police and without the accuser!
Had she been subject to scrutiny and professional questioning early on, she very well may have had to acknowledg her story was false early on, after being tripped up by the inevitable inconsistencies fabricated stories create.
Nifong didn’t want that, so he didn’t interview her for over half a year!
Both accusers in both those cases were severely troubled women, but only one of them had her story’s veracity challenged early on, while Nifong calculatingly used a deeply emotionally disturbed woman, with a history of mental problems and at least one other similar false charge for his own political benefit.
Im hoping for a swift disbarment and his removal from office.
The Duke “rape scandal” should be called the “Durham DA ’s office scandal,” because Nifong disgraced the DA’s office far more than any other institution involved in this mess.
Y’all have seen that Volvo SUV ad on TV, haven’t you? The one where the little girl gets strapped into her car seat, and all the while she’s telling fantasy stories — and her smiling Dad indulges her as she goes on and on, and he listens and smiles as he drives the car?
Cuteness, sweetness, innocence.
And y’all have seen that news story out of Durham, haven’t you? The one where the little stripper girl gets strapped into a jam and goes from near incoherence to telling fantasy stories within 24 hours, and she gets indulged by a smiling DA … who, by the way, doesn’t believe in innocence?
And 300 or so days later, we learn the little stripper girl is still rattling on with fantasy stories…..
And the DA is still driving forward, apparently unconcerned that his little girl is telling fantastic lies … he’s just glad to be driving.
Whoa, LaShawn – one of the sites you link to has this woman’s picture AND a map and photo of her house. I am not in any way trying to defend her or anything, but I do think that is going a bit too far. At least until the civil suits are filed
Joseph Neff’s latest :
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/531580.html
In previous accounts, the accuser said she was assaulted by three men: “Adam,” “Brett” and “Matt.”
In the Dec. 21 interview, she said for the first time that the players used multiple names: Evans and Seligmann, she said, used a total of four names, while Finnerty did not use a name.
(snip)
” ‘Adam’ could be either Reade Seligmann or Dave Evans, while apparently ‘Dan’ and ‘Brett’ are both Dave Evans, and it now appears that ‘Matt’ can only be Reade Seligmann (when he is not ‘Adam’),” the motion stated. “The handwritten notes — as opposed to what appears in the typewritten version — appear to indicate that the accuser may have claimed that Dave Evans had four names, Reade Seligmann had two names (one of which was shared with Dave Evans) and Collin Finnerty had one name (that may have also been shared with Dave Evans).”
In addition, her claim that she was forced by three men, whom she names, into the bathroom, and there gang-raped, becomes confused if she now says there were only two men–but three names.
In April, the woman looked at a picture of Reade Seligmann and said she was 100 percent certain that he forced her to perform oral sex. On Dec. 21, she said it was Evans who forced the oral sex.
She said Seligmann helped pull her into a bathroom for the assault but had cold feet about taking part “because he was getting married.” Seligmann is neither engaged nor married.
In the latest statement, the woman says she arrived at the party at 11:10 p.m. on March 13, that she had a drink and danced for several minutes, and that the rape began at 11:40 p.m. and ended at midnight.
Her cell phone records included in court filings show that she was on the phone much of this time.
If her latest account is true, she made a seven-minute call to someone at her father’s house while she was performing an erotic dance at the party, and was on the phone up to one minute before she says the assault started.
Law Professor James Coleman said :
the new document was a blatant attempt to fix a flawed case and called for a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION of Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong and his staff.
“Who would believe that a witness, nine months later, suddenly recalls facts that coincidentally negate evidence produced by the defense?” said Coleman, who led a Duke committee that investigated the lacrosse team’s culture and has criticized Nifong’s handling of the case for months.
“These people are almost criminal. It’s making a mockery of the system. It’s like Nifong is mooning the system. It’s contemptuous.”
I agree that it is strangely convenient how this “new” testimony from the accuser pretty much goes down the line refuting point by point any evidence presented thus far by the defense.
So convenient one wonders if she might have even been coached on what to say by a certain Mr NiWrong.
Bill, I bet she hardly needed coaching, didn’t the N&O report that she was an honor student? No oxymoron intended.
“Nifong’s trial is set for May 11.”
Folks, don’t be surprised to see a postponement if the State Bar grievance committee quietly gives signals at next week’s State Bar quarterly meeting that its staff and outside counsel are investigating and perhaps contemplate adding additional counts to the complaint against DA Nifong. The original complaint came down the pike approximately 8 weeks after the State Bar’s last quarterly meeting in October, and that’s when the proceeding “went public” with the filing, or initiation, of the proceeding before the Disciplinary Hearing Commission.
The info in the complaint, you’ll recall, centered entirely on the instances of public comments made by DA Nifong in the very early going of the madness, before he clammed up. What happened in November and December didn’t make the complaint, because there wasn’t time to have the grievance committee’s receipt, review, consideration and report of findings on the new developments of November and December. Given the timeline between the now infamous “first interview” with Precious during the week before Christmas and revelations of what was said in that interview becoming more public in defense motions only yesterday, I would be surprised if the grievance committee will have its investigation done and recommendations ready for the Disciplinary Hearing Commission until at least a couple more months from now. That might coincide on a timeline with the April quarterly meeting.
Soooo…. if the grievance committee recommends adding more counts and amending the Complaint presently on record, the scheduled hearing date of May 11 would become “premature”, inasmuch as DA Nifong, the accused, would be given additional time to answer the amended complaint against him.
It’s a due process thing, so give the State Bar credit for moving at its pace, and with measured certainty. To our Bar’s credit, its people are going by the book, and haven’t held news conferences prematurely about the allegations they must consider, as the DA in Durham is currently accused of doing. Were it to have done otherwise, the State Bar, through its licensed attorney officers and committee members, would have been doing exactly what DA Nifong is accused of doing in the early going.
To put it another way, DA Nifong’s camp and remaining supporters could then have pointed out that certain pots were engaging in the same behavior that said pots were saying was untoward behavior of the kettle…….
TaterCon
Tatercon is right on about the complaint. Lawyer buddy confirms that Jan 16th meeting will discuss Nifungu and add new complaints. Nifungu is not on the agenda, but will come up. I think they left him off the official agenda on purpose to reduce the interest in the meeting, sorry that won’t happen.
Kemp
ANOTHER REASON FOR MEN TO NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE:
In CT over Christmas, a lawyer was giving a party. At the party, everyone has hugging, etc as friends typically do. He gave an employee, a female, a quick peck on the cheek. Nothing even remotely sexual.
He has since been arrested, charged with a crime and is free on $10,000 bail – career, of course, ruined. I wonder who the hateful Rosie-luvin feminist was that filed that charge?
Meanwhile, William Jefferson gets caught taking bribes on video, hiding $100k in his freezer and he gets re-elected and a standing ovation from Congress.
That’s it – the world has officially gone mad – I’m not leaving the house.
Hmmm…La Shawn, I love the religious aspect of your blog, and tend to completely agree with your right-wing ideology.
Just thought I’d let you know!
National Assoc. of Criminal Defense Lawyers blasts Nifong :
http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/newsreleases/2006mn025?OpenDocument
NACDL President Martin S. Pinales’statement:
“A prosecutor has a duty to represent the public in an honorable and fair fashion. Michael Nifong’s inflammatory statements to the media prior to the May elections, for the sole benefit of Mr. Nifong, turned the complaint of a confused young woman into a vicious political game which has brought the office of the district attorney into disrepute. He has ruined lives and reputations for a paycheck and personal political gain.
“This so-called investigation has been a reprehensible sham from the very beginning. The grand jury has a right to facts rather than lies and innuendo, and the public has a right to a fair indictment. Further, Nifong concealed the actual DNA test results from the defense and failed to investigate the complaint and failed to interview the complainant until last week, when he dropped the rape charges. But the damage was done long ago – this scandal will always be known as the ‘Duke lacrosse rape case.’
“As the Supreme Court said over 70 years ago, the prosecutor does not represent an ordinary party, he represents the people, and his job isn’t to win convictions, but to see justice is done. It is as much his duty to refrain from antics calculated to produce a wrongful conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one. Shame on Mr. Nifong.â€
Meanwhile, DUKE LAW SCHOOL remains silent…
Whoa, LaShawn – one of the sites you link to has this woman’s picture AND a map and photo of her house.
It’s been removed.
I heard last night that an anonymous someone from Nifong’s office had stated that Nifong was never really interested in being the DA. He only wanted it to boost his retirement payout (based on 3 years of highest pay grade).
IOW, no class, no honor bottom-feeding bureaucrat looking out for himself. No doubt when this landed in his lap, he was star-struck with visionsglory and greater bennies a la other high profile cases like the Amiraults and the day care sex scandals. Janet Reno comes to mind.
His only problem is that he had an ‘adult’ as prime witness, rather than a bunch of 4 – 5 year olds who could be hypnotically programmed to say whatever the prosecutors wanted and really believe it with all of their heart.
Just a thot exercise.
If one is a hooker, that means her product is a retail commodity rather than something precious and restricted to a select & chosen lover(s).
Therefore, if someone took that product w/o paying for it, wouldn’t that logically be a theft, more so than a rape? Like I said, just a thot.
Good work Seahawk!!
Duke Law just got a new dean, former US Judge, maybe when he gets settled in they will act.
Kemp
“Nifungu is not on the agenda, but will come up. I think they left him off the official agenda on purpose to reduce the interest in the meeting, sorry that won’t happen.”
Kemp, at 32
K’man, the Bar’s meeting won’t have DA Nifong “on the agenda” because the officers and counsellorsfrom the various districts in the state don’t deliberate about “what to do about Nifong…” The “grievance to discipline process” runs a separate course that eventually becomes the responsibility of the deliberative body known as the Disciplinary Hearings Commission. The grievance investigation part of the process is a private proceeding –(a complaint to the Bar might be completely baseless, for instance, and a finding of “no cause” could be issued by the committee) — and that’s why the State Bar HAD to remain silent until the committee found probable cause to refer the matter, via the formal Complaint, to the DHC, and the Complaint was officially filed. Staff counsel and outside counsel now prepare the case against DA Nifong for hearing before the DHC, but the Bar officers and counsellors who meet as a body this coming week won’t be directing the course of the case as a deliberative body, and that’s why it isn’t an agenda item.
You’re right, though, about DA Nifong’s name coming up, and discussion will be occurring — it’ll just happen over coffee in the lobby, during smoke breaks outside, over chicken and peas at lunch, or over sweet tea and ‘cue if the attendees sneak out and go over to Clyde Cooper’s BBQ on East Davie St. Might even happen over a bourbon and branch in the evening!!
TaterCon
Well, well, well.
link
Ha, ha… Too Funny!
From WRAL.com news: http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/1134801/
Duke Prof Quits School Committees in Protest of Lacrosse Case
DURHAM, N.C. — An English professor at Duke University has resigned from her school committee assignments, upset by the administration’s decision to invite two lacrosse players accused of sexual assault back to campus.
“The decision by the university to readmit the students, especially just before a critical judicial decision on the case, is a clear use of corporate power, and a breach, I think, of ethical citizenship,” former dean Karla Holloway wrote to Duke’s black faculty caucus. “Despite our judgments about the prosecutors own lack of principled conduct, it is not ours to become the judge or subvert the process.”
Earlier this month, officials at Duke said charged players Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann could return to school as students in good standing. They were suspended last year after a woman hired to perform as a stripper at a lacrosse team party accused them of rape and sexual assault. A third player, Dave Evans, graduated the day before he was indicted.
According to court papers filed Thursday by the defense, the accuser told prosecutors in December that Seligmann did not commit any sex act on her during the alleged attack but was repeatedly urged to join in. During an earlier interview with authorities, the accuser had said she was “100 percent” sure Seligmann had sexually assaulted her.
Last month, District Attorney Mike Nifong dropped rape charges against all three players after the accuser wavered in key details of her account. He was later charged by the State Bar with ethics violations for public comments he made about the case early on.
David Freedman, a lawyer hired by Nifong to represent him before the bar, said Friday a preliminary hearing on those charges is set for January 24 in Raleigh. The bar has also scheduled a hearing for May 11.
Freedman criticized Nifong on national television in the early weeks of the case, saying the prosecutor had made “potentially unethical statements.” He told The News & Observer of Raleigh on Friday he regretted the remarks.
Duke’s administration has steadily increased its criticism of Nifong as the case appeared to grow weaker, culminating in the decision to invite Seligmann and Finnerty back to campus. The school said circumstances had changed and suggested that more time away would harm their educational progress.
Larry Moneta, Duke vice president for student affairs, said Thursday neither Finnerty nor Seligmann will accept the invitation until the case is concluded.
The three players remain charged with sexual offense and kidnapping. The next hearing in the case is set for February 5, when the defense will ask a judge to throw out a key photo lineup and keep the accuser from identifying the players in court. Legal experts have said without that testimony, Nifong will probably have to drop the case.
Holloway was one of 88 faculty members at Duke who endorsed an ad last April in the campus newspaper that included anonymous quotes from students discussing racism and sexual assault on Duke’s campus. She is worried discussion of race and gender equality will end once the lacrosse case is settled.
“The issues about race and gender and sexuality that were made more apparent by the case need to continue to be receive serious and sustained attention by this institution,” she said.
Holloway said she still receives angry, racist e-mails attacking her for being among the school’s critics. Tricia Dowd, the mother of a player on last year’s lacrosse team, also sent Holloway an e-mail about her own son, who had a mental illness and was convicted of the rape and stabbing of a Raleigh schoolteacher. He was shot to death in 1999 as he tried to escape from a prison work detail.
“I wondered, do you attack our sons, because you feel guilt for your own failures as a mother?” Dowd wrote.
Dowd told The News & Observer of Raleigh she regretted sending the e-mail. The Dowd family is suing Duke and another professor, claiming Kyle Dowd received a failing grade in a course last spring because he was a lacrosse player.
Bye, Karla!
How is Mrs. Dowd’s email racist? Sheesh, haven’t these libs learned anything?
They always want to play the race card. Sometimes a person is called stupid because they are – really – STUPID. And they’d BE stupid if they were white, black, or powder blue!
I think it’s important that we all RESPECTFULLY keep the pressure on the NC Bar. I am very certain from what I’ve heard that they are quite astonished at the volume of the e-mail and snail mail they are receiving about this case and much of it is emanating from legal professionals.
I do know that if I EVER consider moving to NC, my friends have instructions to slap my silly face!
Drudge now reporting that Nifong has asked to be recused from the case. . .
Gayle, I find myself in the unfortunate position of living in North Carolina. I only wish my friends had slapped some sense into me before I moved here. But, as I have told my better half, I am outta here. Soon. Very soon. I have had enough of the race card, the trash, the police brutality, the unethical conduct of some public officials. This way has profoundly changed me, and not in the way the libs who spew this crap intended. So many of the “leaders” tripping over each other in their haste to see who is more politically correct, less racist, more intelligent, and more superior. Yech.
GROSS!!!! I just read the version the accuser gave the cop in March. It is almost laughable, if it the whole thing wasn’t so sick and horrible. It reads like the Abbott and Costello “Who’s on First” skit.
I am curious to learn just how big this scandal gets and how deep it goes.
I just picked up a bottle of wine… Non-bigoted folks all over North Carolina will be celebrating tonight! I know I will be.
I’d like to make a toast to La Shawn, Tater, Seahawk, and Kemp.
I look forward to new beginnings…
What else might be going on in Dumbham?
OK let me see if I’ve got this straight. Nifong now wants out after the mess he’s made and now he can cozy up to the black population, NAACP and Irv Joyner in Durham and say I did the best I could for you but so that CGM can get a ‘fair’ trial, it is best that I bow out. What bothers me most are those in Durham who actually still believe in this mess. As I stated in another posting, my son attends Duke and although he likes it at Duke, I want him out of Durham as quickly as I can get him out after his degree is conferred in 2008. This is unfortunate as I feel my son (and others who might have stayed a while) could actually have contributed greatly to many, especially the kids they would give freely too in terms of tutoring, etc. Can’t the people in Durham see that Nifong is actually hurting them more than helping them. I fail to believe anyone is this blind.
Nifong is a opportunist slime. He should dismiss the case and resign as DA. Then, whoever takes his place should go after the accuser for filing a false police report.
I truly feel sorry for these three young men. Even if the charges were to be dropped their lives are ruined. No matter what happens they will always have this mess tied to their names.
Jim C
Jim I am actually going to look at this from a positive standpoint. They’re young. They’re learning a hard lesson at a young age. It might be tough now but if people think they/their family have money now – just wait until this mess is over.
Lets hope the AG does the right thing and make this case go away and quickly.
Then the real lawyering can start with the endless stream of civil actions that are sure to come about!
Lawyers suing lawyers! GAWD I love it! (evil laughing)!!!
“Duke Prof Quits School Committees in Protest of Lacrosse Case”
Geez, big hairy deal. I wish I had a good, bogus public reason for me to resign from some of the committee work I’ve got on my plate ….
What was it baseball afficionado George Will said to describe pro football? Something like “Intermittent periods of violence, punctuated by committee meetings”?
To Gayle, Belle & Gail:
C’mon, good ladies!! Have some faith in the vast majority of good North Carolinians who are wondering what in the world has happened in Durham County, and how in pluperfect tarnation are we gonna clean up the mess and restore our good state’s good name!?! Stick around, ’cause we need good folks like y’all to assure your friends and family that you DO know some good folks in these parts who wouldn’t want Nifong to be elected their dogcatcher …
What was that old Jackson Five song? “One Bad Apple Don’t Spoil the Whole Bunch, Girl…”??
There’s still good in the world down this way — ya just gotta recognize that, despite our best hopes and wishes, the bad apples do appear from time to time. But all in all, good people are the rule…
TaterCon
PS: Thanks, Tate, for the toast (#50). Here’s to the new beginnings!!
Nifong doesn’t surpise me. Corruption by govt. lawers in N.C. is quite common. I have exposed
North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper’s fraud on the US Supreme Court at http://www.ncjusticefraud.com for 14 months, without objection from him. The mainstream media won’t report on this story.
Chris Langdon, qiology@aol.com
Nifong is an elected official.
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There must be a procedure for the citizens to remove him from office. The good people of Durham should be all over that. Or maybe the state legislature or some other governing body could issue a motion of no confidence?
Gail, it’s just like the Duke professor resigning (Karla Holloway). Regardless of intelligence and education, prejudice runs deep. And like the downtrodden and uneducated, they can’t get past their bias. White people will forever be the enemy. This case is all about race and “getting Whitie.â€
In Durham, the welfare recipient, law breaking, self-perceived oppressed folks are not accustomed to LOSING. They are used to winning and putting white folks in their place. This has been happening for a long time in this area (i.e. Jackie Wagstaff). But in the end, as so many others have said about this case, their behavior and prejudice will come back to hurt them and the black community will suffer. It’s already happening…
Nifong’s unethical behavior and selfish arrogance has put the South back in the Stone Age. Because of him, our whole state suffers. Folks will be afraid to allow their children to attend college here and tourism will founder. This slithering weenie of a man has done untold damage, and as a Southern-born North Carolinian I’m pissed! I feel like I’m back in the 60’s…
The armpit city of my beautiful state, Durham (regardless of its Ivy League school and large technology-based companies) has been and is considered to be more now than ever, the cesspool of North Carolina. I’m reminded of New Orleans…
Race issues will be worse than they’ve ever been, and I don’t look forward to the “we were railroaded†repercussions when ALL charges in the Duke Hoax Case are dismissed. I will never feel safe again in Durham. I’ve NEVER felt safe there anyway, but I guarantee after all charges are dropped it will be worse. There’s going to be a lot of very angry black people, and I predict an increase in racially motivated murders in the Duke University area.
I have lived in the Triangle area 20 years so I know what I’m talking about. When my husband and I first moved here we decided to settle in Durham. What I saw in my crime-ignorance of the city during that time (a convenience store clerk shot dead that I befriended) encouraged me to get the hell out after only six months. Thank God I now live in a very safe city…
North Carolina is a beautiful state, full of intelligent, wonderful people. But now that I’m no longer married and living as a single white female, if I have to go anywhere near the Bull City I’m going to be extra careful…
Tatercon, back at cha, Shug… North Carolina IS a beautiful cultured state. Unfortunately, Durham just happens to be that one bad apple. As another poster said, “C’est la vie.†Fer sure, that’s just the way it will be…
nifong will disappear for awhile to ‘let the healing begin.’ he’ll then run for public office and be elected a la’ marion barry and william jefferson, democrat, louisiana.
The Finnerty’s congresswoman has joined congressman Jones’ call for a federal investigation :
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisla…y-top-headlines
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy joined the call for a federal probe into whether Nifong violated the civil rights of the three players.
In a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, McCarthy said she was “very concerned” Nifong may have “violated several federal criminal statutes in his vigorous prosecution of” the players, who also include David Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md., and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J.
McCarthy (D-Mineola) sent the letter this week after meeting with Finnerty and his family at the family’s request. The family lives in her district.
McCarthy later met separately with Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.), who had written to Gonzales in December requesting an investigation.
“We’re not saying definitively that his civil rights were violated, but we support the initiative taken by Congressman Jones asking the attorney general to look into it,” McCarthy spokesman George Burke said Friday.
Nifong for Congress!!! There is a seat on the ethics committee waiting for him. Call Nancy now.
Tate, if Durham is the “armpit” of the state, what is Chapel Hill? The hiney?
Been thinking where this will all go next. I bet the accuser, Crystal or whatever her name is, will claim she is a victim of the white prosecutor Nifong who didn’t even bother to talk to her for months and manipulated her blah blah blah. I saw a hint of this in an interview with her cousin on Fox News last nite. In the end, race will again rear its ugly head. My own personal opinion is that both the accuser and Nifong are the scum of the earth, but just watch the sympathy for the accuser start to flow in….
So I guess there weren’t many lawyers willing to mess with Nifong — looks like he could have found a lawyer to represent him other than one who had actually publicly criticized his handling of this.
Dianne, I think you are right. Now, the tables may be turned as the accuser could claim that she was railroaded into accusing the lacrosse players of assaulting her all so Niffy could win his election. Niffy had better hire another lawyer, a whole legal team, if he is smart, to handle the overflow of civil suits. See, she was a victim of whitey after all!!! Watch and see, they will line up in Durham to back this story. It has all the required elements that were in the first story, it’s just now the names of the bad guys have changed. And you know what, the sexual offense claims really were true!!!! After all, we all know (as so many Durham geniuses have declared) that “something happened” in that house! What else do you need???? Some stinking lawyer will spin this quite nicely for this “struggling, single mother” of now 3 children, who was manipulated, attacked, and used by Whitey. I predict a book and movie and a local monument of some sort. Jesse will pay for her to get her degree and next thing you know, there will be a run for Congress. The police dept today claims that they expect this case will go to trial!!!! What is it with these people here? Of all the accomplished, decent, kind, black folks in this area, the libs have chosen this one to further their agenda. What a damn shame. If I lived in Durham and was black, I would be mad!
A most interesting article in the NY Times. Nifong was C.O. during the Vietnam War – lol!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/us/13duke.html?ei=5065&en=33ee2009ee5ee4ed&ex=1169269200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
Dianne is right. The FA’s latest “story” is a pathetic attempt by Nifong to save his butt by throwing her under the bus.
Let her be shredded on the stand, and the inevitable “not guilty” vote merely means he tried his best but couldn’t win. After all the story COULD be true. Yeah, wanna buy a bridge?
Jule
““The issues about race and gender and sexuality that were made more apparent by the case need to continue to be receive serious and sustained attention by this institution,†she said.”
Holloway is exactly right in this area. Except she does not realize that she is the problem.
“Tate, if Durham is the “armpit†of the state, what is Chapel Hill?” Belle, at 66.
Dadgummit, Belle!! Haven’t you heard long ago that Chapel Hill is the Southern Part of Heaven??
Were it not true, then why is the sky above it Carolina Blue?
Go ye mighty TarHeels — beat Va. Tech today!!
Tim, if she reads this blog maybe she will get a clue. I think the bigger issues here are very simple and if practiced would eradicate Karla’s pet issues. Honesty and Fairness are the BIG issues here and I don’t need no stinking Doctorate Degree from Duke to know that.
So typical and predictable!
Has anyone seen this? From the Raleigh News & Observer: http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/531192.html
Former aide, Nifong snipe at each other
The woman who ran Mike Nifong’s campaign for district attorney before defecting to work against the prosecutor said Nifong was a political novice who should have told voters the N.C. State Bar was investigating his handling of a sexual assault investigation against Duke University lacrosse players.
“I think that he owed it to the voters to step out and say, ‘Just so you know, there’s a chance that I will get a complaint filed against me from the N.C. Bar,’ ” said Jackie Brown, a longtime Durham political activist.
In an interview, Nifong described his former campaign director as a woman more concerned with getting credit for good work than doing it.
“There were actually several people who said to me they would not consider voting for me because she worked on my campaign,” Nifong said in an interview in which he declined to discuss the lacrosse case. “Her biggest concern during the campaign seemed to be how she was billed in the campaign ads.”
The two traded jabs through a reporter Wednesday. Brown talked in detail about the events that led her to leave Nifong’s campaign to work for a candidate who promised he wouldn’t take the job if elected — an anybody-but-Nifong campaign. Nifong won the three-way contest in November, although more than half of the voters split their votes between Nifong’s opponents.
In the months since the November election, Nifong’s critics have grown increasingly vocal as defense attorneys for the lacrosse players have turned up the pressure on Nifong. They have exposed weaknesses in the case, while others have called his judgment and ethics into question.
In December, Nifong dropped the rape charge against the players after the accuser said she was no longer sure of a key detail of her allegations. A DNA expert testified in a hearing that he and Nifong agreed to leave off a report evidence that was favorable to the lacrosse players. After the State Bar accused Nifong of ethics violations over his early public statements in the case, the Conference of District Attorneys joined calls for Nifong to recuse himself from the case.
Nifong would not comment on the State Bar complaint or whether he would recuse himself. But he said whatever he does, it will not be at Brown’s urging.
“Whatever happens will happen for whatever reason it happens,” Nifong said. “I think I can assure you if I did anything that happened to be what Jackie [Brown] suggested, that would not be the reason I was doing it.”
David Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md.; Collin Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., face felony charges in connection with the accusations. The men maintain their innocence and say the accusations are lies.
Brown said Wednesday that during the primary campaign, she found that Nifong had no political instincts and had to be told to shake as many hands as he could at a party. For campaign material, he favored a photo of his family by the Eno River over one of him behind a desk with a flag looking like a prosecutor, she said.
“He was the most naive candidate I have ever encountered,” Brown said. “He knew nothing about politics.”
Brown said when Nifong began giving interviews to scores of reporters during the last week of March, she never thought he was motivated by a desire to win political favor.
“I went to him when he was doing the media — ‘Mike, you need to stop this. You don’t know the impact either way this is going to have,’ ” Brown said. “He was simply caught up in the moment.”
The lacrosse case is due back in court in February. The accuser is among the witnesses expected to testify in the defense effort to have key evidence in the case thrown out.
To All,
I have been duck hunting and just returned to hear the news. I am in MAJOR Gloat mode. I posted last week that I had been told that something was going to happen this week. Then I posted Monday, I think, that my call was wrong. My Bar Buddy has been messing with me, no doubt.
This is over, it will take a little time, but Roy Cooper is a good guy, I served in the General Assembly with him. He knows the damage this is doing to NC and he will despose of it quickly.
Nifungu finally figured it out. If you hit a UNC graduate in the head with a brick for 9 months they will finally figure it out. Sorry, Tatercon, just the facts!
Next up, Perp walk for Nifungu in Greensboro Federal Courthouse.
Happy Days!!
Kemp
Nifong’s resigning from the prosecution of the case cuts both ways.
The ways in which it is bad:
It may take much longer now for the case to be dismissed. Had Nifong stayed on, the Judge would have been forced to throw the case out after the February 5th hearing.
Allowing Nifong to go forward would have only led him to hurt himself more, building the egregiousness of his actions.
We will never get to see this woman get cross-examined. The idea of her on the witness stand getting destroyed would have been something to make popcorn and get comfortable for.
The ways in which it is good:
This way the state’s attorney general case will provide reports/investigations and other materials that may prove to be very useful during the Duke Three’s Section 1983 claim, and it will save expenses have the AG’s office do a lot of this work.
It will silence those few hateful people left who refuse to admit the Three did nothing wrong. This way, the AG’s office will throw out the charges on the merits, and there will be no ability to claim doubt about innocence if the case moved forward to trial and she refused to testify.
I hope the Three proceed with a 1983 claim and shine a flashlight on all of the misdeeds that still are not known to the public. I can not wait for the other ethics charges to be filed. People are quick to forget that the ethics complaint goes only to Nifong’s public statements. Not yet available to the bar are the private statements and actions. These will be the most damning.
Oh Kemp – do you think we can make sure there’s live news coverage of his perp walk and maybe can we have a few people there banging pots and pans. Ok I’m being funny but I am so disgusted with this, sometimes I just have to go off the beaten path.
Gail,
Oh yeah, I’ll be there.
Here is the latest. First, someone earlier noted that Mikey always releases his stuff on Friday before a holiday, Hello, Lee-Jackson day is Monday, he must have known.
Here is some more. Bar buddy suggested that after he hired Freedman, he found religion. Freedman wants to cut his loses, he represents him before the Bar committee that will disbar him.
He’s doing the best with a dead man.
Cooper will ask for a postponement of the Feb 5 hearing, it will take AT LEAST 60 days for the AG to go over and redo all the evidence.
It makes not difference, this is window dressing for the dismissal, BUT remember these are Democrats working to find some way to ask for a dismissal without pissing off the Black vote.
I know that sound silly, BUT it is true.
Bottom line, Jan 16 Bar meeting, more charges against Nifungu. Feb 5 hearing postponed. Dismissal right before May 11 trial of Nifungu.
Federal indictments, probably before the May 11 trial.
Mikey, you are in DEEP Sh*t
Kemp
Kempx, I think the ‘Heels B-ball team must have picked up that brick that was hitting DA Nifong on the head and they used it this afternoon at Blacksburg for a number of their shots at the basket ….
I do agree with folks who have said Roy Cooper, or a staffer, or maybe even a special prosecutor he may enlist, will ask for a continuance of the February 5 hearing. Cheshire, Smith, Cooney et als may oppose, or they may agree to not oppose IF the new prosecutor agrees to sit down for an informal “heart to heart” about the case —> SOMETHING NIFONG SHOULD HAVE DONE IN APRIL, IF HE HADN’T ALREADY STAKED HIMSELF PUBLICLY ON A POLITICALLY CONVENIENT POSITION!!! Out of such a “heart to heart” may come the new prosecutor’s cool reflection on the strengths of the defendants’ alibis and defenses, something DA Nifong apparently never considered until very recently.
And, upon the happening of such cool reflection, maybe the new prosecutor will have a serious heart to heart with Crystal “Precious” Mangum, and will explain to her the serious weaknesses of the prosecution’s case — “Um, geez, Miss Mangum, I’ve seen sand castles on beaches have better chances against nor’easters at a high tide than your stories are gonna have against furious cross examinations by some of the best criminal defense attorneys in the state of North Carolina…”
There’s also a chance Cooper’s staff has been building a file on this case for almost as long as the State Bar has, knowing it would eventually hit their desks in some form or fashion, sooner or later. If so, maybe things could go forward sooner than later, and maybe also Cooper would “let the judge decide” to tube the case in early February. If the judge decides, then Cooper doesn’t take a political hit to his gubernatorial aspirations for making a decision himself…..
Details, details. Kempx, Gail, if you’re there for the frog march,send pix!!
TaterCon
“I think that he owed it to the voters to step out and say, ‘Just so you know, there’s a chance that I will get a complaint filed against me from the N.C. Bar,’ †said Jackie Brown, a longtime Durham political activist. N&O article
Tate, great pick up — that’s a good angle I hadn’t thought about. When grievances are filed with the State Bar, there’s a non-public time when a lawyer is notified of the complaint against him/her, and is given the opportunity to
— no, wait, is REQUIRED TO — file a written response. It’s hard to know exactly how fast the wheels were turning in the early going, what with a hundred or so instances to address in the early weeks before DA Nifong clammed up, but one would have to assume the notification and response time was at some point this past summer or early fall.
That means DA Nifong had all the opportunity in the world to be frank and honest with the electorate before the November election — and as his former campaign manager pointed out, he did not avail himself of a chance to be frank and honest.
But, is anyone surprised at that?
TaterCon
Kemp, did you get any ducks?
Not that I wouldn’t want to see that perp walk but I’m ‘from’ NC – I now live in MD – my son attends Duke. I do plan to take a trip down soon to visit family plus every so often I have to go and satisfy my NC barbecue cravings. Maybe I need to take that ‘Duke Parent’ sticker off the back of my van before I head down huh?
La Shawn, Thank you for keeping us updated. Seriously, I find the best information here.
I think Nifong snowed the black community in Durham into re-electing him. He played on their racial fears like Beethoven played the piano. Pathetic, pathetic man.
Hey La Shawn,
How did it go on the radio? If you’d like to fill us in I’d love to know…
Did anyone else catch Nifong’s comment as he got in his car Friday? One of the stations had a video and you could just hear him saying something about sources…”You’ve got sources..go check your sources.” Will that be his defense for the public comments…claiming that he never spoke directly with media..that the comments came from flawed “sources”? Just wondering what other lies this scum will come up with. Thank heaven he was stupid enough to give comments on camera….although maybe he will say “What is an interview anyway?” or “I was referring to another case.”
Nothing highlighted the divisions in America more than when voters reelected Nifong. The fact that voters were willing to elect him bodes terribly for the future of this country. When “merely being white” is considered enough to hang a defendant, we have headed down a dark path. While I have heard many condemn the pathetic faculty at Duke, I have heard little about the degeneracy of voting dynamics that is increasingly evident in this country. Many of us fought far too hard for the civil rights of the minority to stomach the degradations of the civil rights of the majority.
Belle,
Limited out in 30 minutes, 4 ducks for self and 4 for son.
Tatercon, the CO thing has really got a bug up my A**. Why didn’t that ever come out before the election? Here’s the funny thing, Mikey’s Birthday was the first number picked in first draft lottery! He’s been a loser for a LONG time.
CO thing explains why he was a “social worker” for a year. Bet he’s going to like his “social” work in prison!! He’s going to be REAL popular!
Kemp
do u truly believe he is going to jail?
He will not go to jail. But if he did, I wonder if Al and Jesse and the BP’s will come back to town to support him. I rather doubt it.
Kempx, the “conscientious objector” ticket out of ‘Nam was complete news to me, too. Guess it’s been awhile since I’ve heard any talk about CO’s — I’m trying to think if I’ve ever known one personally, and I can’t. Heck, I thought they’d all gone to Canada or Sweden, and stayed for the weather …
I’m pondering, though, how one can be a conscientious objector to the whole concept of killing and maiming during war, and how one can subsequently take a job that requires prosecution of appropriate cases into a capital punishment phase of trial.
Could it be that DA Nifong lost his conscience somewhere along the way? Or, like Slick Willie and his draft dodgin’, did he ever have one?
I guess that’s one of those moral compass types of questions ….
TaterCon
Well, I thought 60 Minutes was pretty compelling. The mama bears are very upset… Watch out Nifong!
Hey Tater, even Andy Rooney mentioned the Tar Heels… Do you think he might have a hidden alliance? I luv it!
Tatercon,
I actually had a good friend in school who applied for CO, you would know his family, dad was state senator, name is a bird. He got turned down and refused to go, and WENT to jail. He obviously was not BS ing. I went to see him in Petersburg Fed Prison a couple of times. He got out and went to Wake and is practicing law, got a pardon, of course like Kerry, from Jimmy Carter. Billy deserved the pardon, Kerry didn’t
Kemp
Interesting thread on Court TV regarding the Mrs. Dowd/Duke professor Holloway email exchange.
There is indeed hollow in Holloway…
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=d0cfca61c23ffdf48bee9ddbb713d834&threadid=283975
Cash Michaels is a coward and he runs the website: http://www.ourheartsworld.com/
We have had some rather heated and nasty email exchanges. He calls me a sellout for being Black and not believing in the accuser. A member of the Black media running a support site for the accuser. Interesting!
yeah i guess i am a sell out to because i wont support a hoax?
and how exactly is supporting this hoax supposed to help black people?
Well, I would post the responses, but they are rather long emails. But he said she deserves her day in court (which she does), however, if Nifong had done his job, this probably would have been over. He’s a typical liberal elitist. He attacked me, implying I didn’t know anything about Black history and the like. I informed that I do and have CGM had no right to ruin these boys lives to save herself from a possible arrest and added jail time. Cash Michaels along with many in the Durham Black community want these allegations against the Duke 3 to be true. It’s out of jealousy and resentment. He is fanning the racial tension the way Nifong, Jesse, Al and the “new Black Panthers.” They will claim an injustice occurred when the charges are all dropped.
Despite it’s very liberal bias, I was impressed to see how critical this evening’s 60 Minutes segment was, of Mike Nifong.
I missed the prior show (I think it may have been in October), when the accused players were interviewed. I was wondering whether that one would be fair… I asked someone who did watch it – and he commented [not directly in regards to that 60 Minutes story, but generally speaking] about how Mike Nifong is very wrong on this. I came across this surprisingly-full and useful Yahoo! page, which has videos, presumably from that prior 60 Minutes episode.
Tracey, interesting comment. But I think the mere mention of black history by any of the accuser’s supporters clearly tells us what this case is actually about. I disagree with your point regarding the victim deserving a day in court. I think most people will say that if there is not one shred of evidence and if the accused have good solid alibi’s, and if the accusers story changes multiple times then the accuser does not deserve a day in court. I think that is the way it is suppose to work in this country.
Tracey,
Cash must not pay his bills the site won’t come up.
Kemp
Kemp, the site is coming up now. It is replete with music and photos, seems professionally done. What is is lacking are facts.
Belle,
I agree with you. The only reason I would want to see Crystal have her day in court is to see her get shredded by the defense lawyers in cross-examination. It’ll teach people who think they can make a fast buck from making up stories to ruin people’s lives. Kemp, the site came up for me. Try it again. The site is amazing with all of the conspiracy theories.
Professor Holloway wrote: “Your letter reflects nothing so much as an impoverished spirit and intellect. What a shame, for you, and your family.”
She could not have described herself better….
One individual and one individual alone caused this whole ordeal. Sure, Nifong is a shameless opportunist and he used this hoax as a springboard to getting elected but he did not start this colossal mess. No, the main culprit behind this scam has always been Crystal Mangum. I’m sick of the spineless media types who are afraid to call her exactly what she is. —-> SHE IS A LIAR. No, we have to be careful and treat her with kid gloves because she is black and we need to be politically correct. Even one of the parent’s of the accused players simply referred to her a confused woman last night on 60 Minutes. We are losing sight of the fact that Crystal Mangum is the core reason this case exists.
Make no mistake; Crystal is not confused about the events that occurred on that night in question back in March of 2006. She KNOWS that she was not raped. She KNOWS that she was not assaulted. She KNOWS that she was not held against her will. She is quite conscious of the fact that everything she has said from the very beginning of this case is just a large pack of lies and she honestly doesn’t care. I’m sure she has no problem looking in the mirror everyday either because she is nothing but a piece of trash. Zero accountability. Zero personal responsibility. Zero conscience.
SHE HAS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THIS CASE COMES TO AN END. I have watched this case from the beginning and I cannot see how ANYONE could have truly believed this woman??? I feel that the majority of black people who have publicly supported her have known from the very beginning that it was all pure BS. Those that continue to support her do so simply because she is a “Sista” and I personally believe that 95% of them consciously know they are supporting a liar and they don’t care either. We are living in sad times. The only way justice is done in this case is if both Mike Nifong AND Crytal Mangum are put behind bars for their actions.
B Murph,
Totally agreed. Many of us Blacks who refused to believe in her story are called names. The sad part of this story is when they drop the rest of the charges, nothing will be done to punish Crystal. Unfortunately, there are many men out there who have gone to jail because the laws take the woman’s side no matter what. Many of those laws were passed with the help of the feminist movement.
comment to gail (83). My daughter is a Duke undergrad as well. This case has been very eye opening to her, removing some stereotypes she needed clearing out.
Many of those laws were passed with the help of the feminist movement.
REPLY: I Agree Tracey and I feel sorry for the many blacks who judged the case based solely on the evidence or lack thereof. Unfortunately they are drowned out by those who have an agenda such as the NAACP, Black Panthers and the rest of the Poverty Pimp Nation.
Speaking of crazy feminists have you had the pleasure to see that wacko Wendy Murphy? I’m so ashamed to share the last name as this woman. You could show this woman video proof that this case was a hoax and she would still find some crazy excuse to find the accuser as being credible. That nut deserves to be in a mental institution. She is still insisting that this story is somehow true and she is on the record as saying that she has never seen an accusation of rape the turned out to be false. In other words 100% of reported rape cases are true in her opinion. She is PURE EVIL!!!!
B Murph,
Yes, I know about Wendy Murphy. She has major issues. When she debates with people she tries to loud talk over them.
I have discussed the case with members of the “Poverty Pimp Nation” and they want these allegations to be true. How could you wish a rape on someone? I guess it’s an excuse to justify envy and hatred for Whites. I used to be a part of that thinking about 17-18 years ago. I finally saw the light and broke away from that thinking.
The NAACP is a fraud and a front for Democrats and socialists. Jesse is a corporate shakedown artist and he had to “offer” to pay for Crystal’s education no matter what!
I guarantee you that nothing will be done to punish Crystal. She’ll turn around and do it again later.
A few snips from the famous Martin Luther King, Jr. speech, “I Have a Dream”.
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:
Free at last! Free at last!
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
And I have a dream, that one day Collin, Reade and David – who have been unjustly accused and persecuted by the black community – will one day not be judged by the color of THEIR skin but by the content of their character.
God bless Martin Luther King, Jr.
Arrggg….
Officially I can’t stand this anymore…
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1137618/
After a December hearing, Nifong insisted he did nothing wrong.
“There was no attempt to hide anything,” he said, adding that defense attorneys only had to ask for the evidence.
Nifong’s pretrial hearing regarding last month’s ethics complaint is next week. A trial is set for May.
And kempermanx and tatercon? You people are going to allow you NC State Bar to let this pass? A DA who plays ‘hide the evidence… all you have to know is that it exists and ask for it??????’
This man is certifiable? And so is the NC Bar if they let this pass.
RebPow,
In short NO. This man is going to get disbarred and he will go to jail.
The Fed’s will pick this up after the case is dismissed.
Mikey’s only real life changing decision is whether he wants to be the wife or the husband when he goes to Butner, the Fed prison in NC.
Here’s an idea let’s all send Mikey soap on a rope, cause he’s going to need it.
How cool would that be, Mikey gets a 100 soaps on a rope! Tick Tock the Clock is Ticking!!
Kemp
Kempermanx,
Thanks for your response. Classy as always.
Reb in Chicagoland
“The entire time I was in Chicago, I was treated like a POW” – Lewis Grizzard
Tracey,
I tried again, it won’t come up. I think my virus protection won’t let it come up. You should run a scan on your computer, Cash maybe sending you an unpleasant visitor. Viruses! Check it out, quickly, they spread like, nifongs.
Kemp
A couple of snips from Rush Limbaugh’s Web site on the Duke Lacrosse hoax, 1/15/06. Looks like Durham County is in big trouble:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011507/content/truth_detector.guest.html
“’Although prosecutors generally enjoy absolute immunity from civil liability for violating the constitutional rights of defendants, there are instances — and this may well be one of them — where that immunity doesn’t apply,’ says Law Professor John Banzhaf. Moreover, Durham County, NC, does not have absolute immunity, and so the county could be held liable for millions of dollars in civil damages even if District Attorney Michael Nifong is protected from law suits, notes Banzhaf. ‘Generally, district attorneys — acting within their narrow role as prosecutors — have absolute immunity, and cannot be sued even if they violate a defendant’s constitutional rights intentionally, in bad faith, and with malice.†They are protected even though they might do all of that.
“’This means that, even if it can be proven that Nifong engaged in gross prosecutorial misconduct in prosecuting the students while knowing they were innocent, and did so wrongfully and only for political purposes, he might not be held civilly liable.’ On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court has carved out an exception when a prosecutor is acting not as an ‘advocate’ performing functions intimately connected with the judicial phase of the criminal proceeding, but rather as an ‘investigator’ or ‘administrator.’ In such cases he enjoys only a qualified immunity, and can be held liable if his misconduct violated clearly established legal standards of which a reasonable prosecutor would have known. … Even if Nifong is found to be shielded from civil liability by absolutely immunity, such immunity does not apply to the county which he represents, so Durham County, NC, could wind up being civilly liable even if Nifong escapes liability. Considering the emotional suffering — not to mention the legal and other out-of-pocket expenses — this criminal proceeding has subjected the defendants to, a jury could award a very significant verdict to compensate them.â€
Reb, be patient with the State Bar. I’m going to be stunned if any official word comes out of this week’s quarterly meeting of the Bar concerning Nifong’s latest, being those actions that came to light in the weeks running up to Christmas. There hasn’t been enough time in the grievance process for new charges to “go public” in just four or so weeks since the last court hearing and also the “first interview” revelations. Scroll back up to my bloviations at 31 and 39 above, where I kinda covered what kind of expectations I’m having about what and when things might unfold.
Also, glad to know from where your “nom de plume” is derived … a “Grizzardism”! I still think his best line regarding his time in Chicago, when he was a sportswriter, was his description of his level of interest in Big Ten football, particularly the Ohio State – Michigan game — to a southern bred boy like him, it was like “watchin’ two mules fight over a turnip; ya don’t really care which one of ‘em wins…” (paraphrased from memory) Methinks the Florida Gators showed the nation last week it really didn’t matter which one of ‘em won that big hoopla game back in November between the two mules — er, the Buckeyes and Wolverines….
TaterCon
aakash – Despite it’s very liberal bias, I was impressed to see how critical this evening’s 60 Minutes segment was, of Mike Nifong.
That is hardly surprising. Once liberals, multicultis, feminists, and/or black racists fail in a race card gambit, rather than want attention on failed ideology, they will look for a scapegoat.
Nifong’s head on a pike would then allow all the other parties in the early lynch mob to walk away. Watch it unfold. Gang of 88 members at Duke will be “shocked, just shocked!!”. Jesse will show up and pronounce a need “for healing, moving on, closure”. And of course more government money for helping poor black people like the victim, and more money for Duke to “increase diversity”.
Media will drop it after a bout of self-congratulation that they helped debunk the Hooax that they first hyped and enabled. Evil scuzz like Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace will move on to the next case where they can disgrace their law degrees and affiliations with the Atlanta prosecutor’s office and the New England School of Law. Various community activists will rage and demand more guilty white’s attention and new “help programs”. Duke Admin will say everything is fine at Duke now that that bad ‘ol DA is gone. All will say the time has come to annoint with the PC sacrament of “KA-LOOZE-URE”.
Watch. It will unfold predictably.
TaterCon,
Actually Grizzard’s best line was “The only good thing to come out of Chicago was I-55 South”.
Being from Florida, working with a bunch of OSU and Michigan folk, it’s a very good thing that Florida won. Otherwise it would have been a long winter.
There have been so many outrages in this case, I’m not sure why Nifong’s line of “all they had to do was ask” sets me off so much. Between him and the FA, I’m beginning to believe that she might be the more mentally stable one of the two.
Reb, I agree with you. Nifong’s “all they had to do was ask” comment is the epitome of a sarcastic, wise ass response. It clearly displays arrogance, and contempt for the truth. It is the kind of answer one would expect from a smart ass teenager, who got caught doing something he should not have done. To me, it also makes it apparent that Nifong was aware that the information was being withheld.
It also is an failed attempt at distracting the public from the NC rule that the prosecutor must turn over ALL such evidence, without the defense asking for it.
So, we’re supposed to waste our time analyzing whether the defense asked for the evidence, and forget the fact that Nifong was required to provide it without being asked. What a well-practiced liar.
According to ABC news :
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4939868
“The U.S. Attorney General’s office has responded to Congressman Walter Jones’ request for a federal probe of the Duke Lacrosse Case.
In a letter delivered Thursday, Alberto Gonzales’ office wrote that it would be, “Premature to initiate a federal investigation pending a criminal trial.”
This means the Attorney General will not be getting involved in the case at this time.”
Those of you who would like to make known your feelings about this response may do so at :
(If the DOJ gets no response, they will think that the public really doesn’t care enough to make this an issue) :
AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
Put : ATTN : AG GONZALES in the subject header
White House :
comments@whitehouse.gov
FBI field office in N. Carolina :
charlotte.public@ic.fbi.gov
Bar Buddy is off to Raleigh tomorrow. I’ll be out of town for two weeks, so I’ll have no scoop until Feb. Sorry. Assuming the Feb 5 hearing is still on, I plan to go. I would love to host a group at my son’s apt, assuming he is not having a super bowel party. I will let everyone know when I return on the 29th.
God Bless you all.
Kemp
Hey Kempermanx,
Have a safe trip.
Don’t invite any strippers to your hotel room
Kemp, I hope your son is not having a super bowel party, but if he is, I would advise you not to go!;)
Looks like the Duke Group of 88 is now the group of 87 and they are trying to clear up the “misunderstanding” of their original ad. BTB!!!! Blame The Blogs. I for one am not buying their spew. These intellectuals seem to feel that most of us are stupid. We are not. Remember BTB!!!!! Blame the Blogs!!!!
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/533242.html
In addition to sending a subpoena to the AV, the defense has now sent more subpoenas :
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/533272.html
Defense lawyers last week sent subpoenas to Durham police investigators who collected evidence. The subpoenas, signed Jan. 5 by an attorney for Finnerty, were filed in the Office of the Clerk of Durham County Superior Court on Tuesday. The subpoenas require investigators Richard Clayton, Mark Gottlieb, Benjamin Himan and Michele Soucie to be available to testify during the Feb. 5 hearing.
Belle,
BROADhead probably asked them to comment on the open letter, which originated from the African & African American Studies department after the BOGUS rape occurred, to tone down the heat on Duke University. Now everyone realizes they could be sued (i.e., Kim Curtis) for rushing to judgment and fanning the racial fires. But they’ve made their bed – and being the idiots that they are – insist on laying in it. Duke U is screwed…
STAY TUNED for a post about that new “Group of 88″ letter. It got me fired up, and my fingers can’t type fast enough…
Rebelpow,
I am taking my wife! I have thought of lots more response to add, but I better not start. She might hear about them. Thanks all.
Kemp
Belle,
Son is student leader, so he would not dare do ANYTHING during rush. Actually he’s a VERY straight up Christan, so I don’t worry about him.
I just don’t understand how he is so smart, we clearly picked up the wrong kid at the hospital.
Kemp
Question of the Day!!
Now that the Libs have a new scapegoat (The Blogs) will they continue to blame their old scapegoat (The Jews) for all that is wrong with the world? My vote is Yes! They have enough blame to go around.
Kemp, he sounds like a great kid!
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