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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83977</link>
		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#157 DarkStar: There is something strange about your numbers.

According to the Death Penalty Information Center there were 123 inmates in all fifty states found innocent between 1973 and November 21, 2006. To be included on the DPIC&#039;s Innocence List the defendants must have been convicted, sentenced to death and subsequently either (1) their conviction was overturned and they were acquitted at re-trial or all charges were dropped or (2) they were given an absolute pardon by the governor based on new evidence of innocence.

On January 10, 2003 Governor Ryan of Illinois granted clemency to all 167 death row prisoners in Illinois.

Half of 167 is 83 which means that over two/thirds of the total on the DPCI list would have to be on Illinois death row.

As you scan the list of the Death Penalty Information Center (which spans a period of 33 years) you find but a few from Illinois. 

I have looked into this as much I think is useful. If you can point me to a better set of statistics, I will be happy for the tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#157 DarkStar: There is something strange about your numbers.</p>
<p>According to the Death Penalty Information Center there were 123 inmates in all fifty states found innocent between 1973 and November 21, 2006. To be included on the DPIC&#8217;s Innocence List the defendants must have been convicted, sentenced to death and subsequently either (1) their conviction was overturned and they were acquitted at re-trial or all charges were dropped or (2) they were given an absolute pardon by the governor based on new evidence of innocence.</p>
<p>On January 10, 2003 Governor Ryan of Illinois granted clemency to all 167 death row prisoners in Illinois.</p>
<p>Half of 167 is 83 which means that over two/thirds of the total on the DPCI list would have to be on Illinois death row.</p>
<p>As you scan the list of the Death Penalty Information Center (which spans a period of 33 years) you find but a few from Illinois. </p>
<p>I have looked into this as much I think is useful. If you can point me to a better set of statistics, I will be happy for the tip.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83970</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Did we not debunk this claim earlier in the thread? &lt;/em&gt;

No.

If during a sample period, 1/2 of the people on death row in Illinois were found to be not guilty of the crimes for which they are charged, then why is saying that 50% of the inmates on death row in Illinois were found to be not guilty of the crimes for which they are charged?

Not one person EVER made the claim the 50% figure was inaccurate.

Not only that, but the innocences of the crimes for which they were convicted were done so by VOLUNTEERS, not done by lawyers for those later released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Did we not debunk this claim earlier in the thread? </em></p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>If during a sample period, 1/2 of the people on death row in Illinois were found to be not guilty of the crimes for which they are charged, then why is saying that 50% of the inmates on death row in Illinois were found to be not guilty of the crimes for which they are charged?</p>
<p>Not one person EVER made the claim the 50% figure was inaccurate.</p>
<p>Not only that, but the innocences of the crimes for which they were convicted were done so by VOLUNTEERS, not done by lawyers for those later released.</p>
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		<title>By: Tate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone surprised by this announcement?

&lt;b&gt;Nifong Requests Extension for State Bar Complaint Response&lt;/b&gt;

The reason given?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You only have 20 days, and that&#039;s not enough time to take in this case,&quot; Freedman said. &quot;There&#039;s volumes and volumes we need to review. We need to discuss the case with him, and we need to get a better feel before we respond to the case.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

The real reason?  Nifong to Freedman: We need to get &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;a better feel&lt;/i&gt; of what &lt;i&gt;whoppers we can come up with&lt;/i&gt; to get my ass out of hot water.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1176393/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone surprised by this announcement?</p>
<p><b>Nifong Requests Extension for State Bar Complaint Response</b></p>
<p>The reason given?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;You only have 20 days, and that&#8217;s not enough time to take in this case,&#8221; Freedman said. &#8220;There&#8217;s volumes and volumes we need to review. We need to discuss the case with him, and we need to get a better feel before we respond to the case.&#8221;</i><i></p>
<p>The real reason?  Nifong to Freedman: We need to get </i><i>a better feel</i> of what <i>whoppers we can come up with</i> to get my ass out of hot water.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1176393/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1176393/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seahawk;

just thanks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seahawk;</p>
<p>just thanks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Seahawk</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83939</link>
		<dc:creator>Seahawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan Collins talks with the mothers of 5 unidicted players :

http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/05/letters-from-friends-2.html#c116951294294999551

&lt;i&gt;As team captain, Matt was living in the house at 610 N. Buchanan. . .  With no safe haven to go, at one point, he was living out of his car. His parents visited each weekend, just to see him and make sure he was safe. â€œMy husband and I went down to visit him. This kid had tried to walk the straight and narrow everyday and set an example and he was searching for a shirt in the trunk of his car. We watched him change his clothes in the parking lot. I thought I would die of a broken heart that dayâ€, said Mrs. Zash. 

For Mrs. Loftus, the most memorable moment was â€œstopping at a gas station on the way to work, I saw Collin Finnertyâ€™s face on the front page of Newsday. I thought to myself â€œhow did the world come to this?â€

Mrs. McFayden described â€œthe feeling of helplessness of watching Ryan weep uncontrollably on his fatherâ€™s shoulder as he heard that his friends and teammates, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, had been indicted and being unable to console him.â€ &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan Collins talks with the mothers of 5 unidicted players :</p>
<p><a href="http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/05/letters-from-friends-2.html#c116951294294999551" rel="nofollow">http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/2006/05/letters-from-friends-2.html#c116951294294999551</a></p>
<p><i>As team captain, Matt was living in the house at 610 N. Buchanan. . .  With no safe haven to go, at one point, he was living out of his car. His parents visited each weekend, just to see him and make sure he was safe. â€œMy husband and I went down to visit him. This kid had tried to walk the straight and narrow everyday and set an example and he was searching for a shirt in the trunk of his car. We watched him change his clothes in the parking lot. I thought I would die of a broken heart that dayâ€, said Mrs. Zash. </p>
<p>For Mrs. Loftus, the most memorable moment was â€œstopping at a gas station on the way to work, I saw Collin Finnertyâ€™s face on the front page of Newsday. I thought to myself â€œhow did the world come to this?â€</p>
<p>Mrs. McFayden described â€œthe feeling of helplessness of watching Ryan weep uncontrollably on his fatherâ€™s shoulder as he heard that his friends and teammates, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, had been indicted and being unable to console him.â€ </i></p>
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		<title>By: Rector Family Blog</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83930</link>
		<dc:creator>Rector Family Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another blog that keeps me interested daily is La Shawn Barber&#8217;s blog. La Shawn is and African-American female blogger that has some very interesting perspectives. I find her thoughts on the Duke rape case are especially interesting. You owe it to yourself to have a look. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another blog that keeps me interested daily is La Shawn Barber&#8217;s blog. La Shawn is and African-American female blogger that has some very interesting perspectives. I find her thoughts on the Duke rape case are especially interesting. You owe it to yourself to have a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Neptunus Lex</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83926</link>
		<dc:creator>Neptunus Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But somewhere along the way someone, or some many - fools will always be with us - crossed the line and personalized their attacks on the professoriate alongÂ racial lines. They sought to promote the ludicrous idea - pace Lashawn Barber - that such soft thinking as was represented by the Group of 88 was somehow racially inherent. Which is as sand-poundingly stupid - and greatly more self-defeating - than anything foisted on academia by a perpetually aggrieved class of victimization pimps. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But somewhere along the way someone, or some many &#8211; fools will always be with us &#8211; crossed the line and personalized their attacks on the professoriate alongÂ racial lines. They sought to promote the ludicrous idea &#8211; pace Lashawn Barber &#8211; that such soft thinking as was represented by the Group of 88 was somehow racially inherent. Which is as sand-poundingly stupid &#8211; and greatly more self-defeating &#8211; than anything foisted on academia by a perpetually aggrieved class of victimization pimps.</p>
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		<title>By: Heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-4/#comment-83925</link>
		<dc:creator>Heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#146 SteveMinMD: If the math won&#039;t play, just use it anyway.

P.S.  If you rearrange the letters in &quot;reasonable&quot; and substitute  and add a few, you get the phrase: &quot;Don&#039;t confuse me with the facts.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#146 SteveMinMD: If the math won&#8217;t play, just use it anyway.</p>
<p>P.S.  If you rearrange the letters in &#8220;reasonable&#8221; and substitute  and add a few, you get the phrase: &#8220;Don&#8217;t confuse me with the facts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Word Around the Net</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-3/#comment-83911</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Around the Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;DUKE CONFUSION&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;m divided on this particular subject. The bravery of being out of range leads many on the Internet to become incredibly rude and abusive, far beyond the call of duty or reason. I know how cruel, sarcastic, biting, and just plain mean people can be i...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>DUKE CONFUSION</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m divided on this particular subject. The bravery of being out of range leads many on the Internet to become incredibly rude and abusive, far beyond the call of duty or reason. I know how cruel, sarcastic, biting, and just plain mean people can be i&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-3/#comment-83901</link>
		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do it because they win &quot;brownie points&quot; in the world of political correctness.  &quot;Look at me!!!!  See how passionate I am?  See how I care about the down trodden???  See!!! Look at me!!!!  Please!!!! Erect a monument for me!!!!!!  Put me on the cover of Time!!!!!!  I am a HERO!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do it because they win &#8220;brownie points&#8221; in the world of political correctness.  &#8220;Look at me!!!!  See how passionate I am?  See how I care about the down trodden???  See!!! Look at me!!!!  Please!!!! Erect a monument for me!!!!!!  Put me on the cover of Time!!!!!!  I am a HERO!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-3/#comment-83900</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in the world could someone indict those boys if the DNA doesn&#039;t match??? DNA found from more than one guy(none matches the accused) what is wrong with Nifong.  Completely insane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world could someone indict those boys if the DNA doesn&#8217;t match??? DNA found from more than one guy(none matches the accused) what is wrong with Nifong.  Completely insane</p>
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		<title>By: Seahawk</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-3/#comment-83879</link>
		<dc:creator>Seahawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Column by Bill Anderson :

You MIGHT be able to get justice in NC, provided you can afford it. Otherwise, you&#039;re outta luck :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson167.html

(excerpts) : 

&lt;i&gt;(Two other people, after serving many years in prison because they could not pay the $1 million bond, pleaded nolo contendere while maintaining their innocence simply because &lt;b&gt;they lost all confidence in the State of North Carolina to do what was right. &lt;/b&gt;To put it another way, they agreed to submit to more prison time â€“ another year â€“ because they knew that the deck was stacked against them. I suppose that is what people mean when they declare &quot;the system works.&quot; Yes, it &quot;works&quot; in the promotion of state power, period.)

(snip)

The question one asks is this: Why does the State of North Carolina continue to impose huge costs on everyone when we know this case is a fraud? The simplest answer is this: They do it because they can do it.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Column by Bill Anderson :</p>
<p>You MIGHT be able to get justice in NC, provided you can afford it. Otherwise, you&#8217;re outta luck :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson167.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson167.html</a></p>
<p>(excerpts) : </p>
<p><i>(Two other people, after serving many years in prison because they could not pay the $1 million bond, pleaded nolo contendere while maintaining their innocence simply because <b>they lost all confidence in the State of North Carolina to do what was right. </b>To put it another way, they agreed to submit to more prison time â€“ another year â€“ because they knew that the deck was stacked against them. I suppose that is what people mean when they declare &#8220;the system works.&#8221; Yes, it &#8220;works&#8221; in the promotion of state power, period.)</p>
<p>(snip)</p>
<p>The question one asks is this: Why does the State of North Carolina continue to impose huge costs on everyone when we know this case is a fraud? The simplest answer is this: They do it because they can do it.</i></p>
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		<title>By: SteveDinMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveDinMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar said: &quot;One in a series of mounting cases of prosecutorial misconduct. In Illinois, 50% of inmates on death row were found to be innocent of the crimes for which they were convicted.&quot;  

SteveDinMD:  Did we not debunk this claim earlier in the thread?  If we are to claim &quot;mounting&quot; prosecutorial misconduct, we need to produce data substantiating the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar said: &#8220;One in a series of mounting cases of prosecutorial misconduct. In Illinois, 50% of inmates on death row were found to be innocent of the crimes for which they were convicted.&#8221;  </p>
<p>SteveDinMD:  Did we not debunk this claim earlier in the thread?  If we are to claim &#8220;mounting&#8221; prosecutorial misconduct, we need to produce data substantiating the claim.</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/17/group-of-88-issues-another-inane-statement/comment-page-3/#comment-83845</link>
		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helio said;

&quot;(The libs say get out of Iraqâ€¦â€¦itâ€™s just a civil war. Well, when the Hutuâ€™s and the Tutsiâ€™s hack each other up, it is just a civil warâ€¦. or not.)&quot; 

The above is just classic &quot;you&quot; and I would LOVE to hear a response as to why it is criminal that we don&#039;t intervene in one civil war while it is criminal that we do try to intervene/prevent (in) another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helio said;</p>
<p>&#8220;(The libs say get out of Iraqâ€¦â€¦itâ€™s just a civil war. Well, when the Hutuâ€™s and the Tutsiâ€™s hack each other up, it is just a civil warâ€¦. or not.)&#8221; </p>
<p>The above is just classic &#8220;you&#8221; and I would LOVE to hear a response as to why it is criminal that we don&#8217;t intervene in one civil war while it is criminal that we do try to intervene/prevent (in) another.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The ball is in your court, DarkStar. You certainly imply that this one, sole, singular, only, lone incident isâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦indicative ofâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.
what? &lt;/em&gt;

One in a series of mounting cases of prosecutorial misconduct. In Illinois, 50% of inmates on death row were found to be innocent of the crimes for which they were convicted.

Why?

Was it poor representation or prosecutorial misconduct or a combination?

For example, many civil libertarians have been complaining, for years, about the use of &quot;jail house snitches.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;As you point out, the players are still on the scence. Good! So let those who care about Tulia do something about it. And I wish them well.&lt;/em&gt;

And people are trying. So why no uproar?

&lt;em&gt;shall from now on invoke Rawanda and how the MSM &amp; conservatives marched in lockstep to ignore the genocide in â€˜94 and how the key players are still running around unpunished.&lt;/em&gt;

Thats a good deal for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The ball is in your court, DarkStar. You certainly imply that this one, sole, singular, only, lone incident isâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦indicative ofâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.<br />
what? </em></p>
<p>One in a series of mounting cases of prosecutorial misconduct. In Illinois, 50% of inmates on death row were found to be innocent of the crimes for which they were convicted.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Was it poor representation or prosecutorial misconduct or a combination?</p>
<p>For example, many civil libertarians have been complaining, for years, about the use of &#8220;jail house snitches.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>As you point out, the players are still on the scence. Good! So let those who care about Tulia do something about it. And I wish them well.</em></p>
<p>And people are trying. So why no uproar?</p>
<p><em>shall from now on invoke Rawanda and how the MSM &amp; conservatives marched in lockstep to ignore the genocide in â€˜94 and how the key players are still running around unpunished.</em></p>
<p>Thats a good deal for me.</p>
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