I do not want America to be a country where abortion is illegal, I want it to be a country where abortion is unthinkable.

I think it starts with understanding that the focus of the ‘pro-choice’ folks is the rights of the mother and the focus of the ‘pro-life’ is the rights of the child. If we are going to make any headway it is to convince the pro-choice camp that it is actually in the interest of the mother not to kill her child. That shouldn’t be hard to do in most cases, should it? After all the physical, spiritual and emotional cost of abortion on the mothers is easy to demonstrate.

Lets save those children being aborted by mothers who would clearly benefit from not have a life of guilt, possible sterility and increased risk of cancer, among other benefits of carrying thier child to term. Show them the benefit of having someone to show love to, and show them a way out delimna of not being able or ready to care for the child.

If we could stop these women from making a choice that would haunt them for the rest of their lives, we could save millions of babies. But if we keep drawing hard lines in the sand, every day three thousand or so babies die.

I think the pro-choice people (not the abortion industry, which is only after dollars, or the pro-abortion groups which is only after influence) can be reached, after all they want choice. Let’s give them a better choice.

Many of us realize that abortion has always been around and that it always will be with us.

Do insurance companies cover the costs of an abortion? Is an abortionist able to carry malpractice insurance? Do they teach abortion techniques in medical schools. Is there an abortion code of ethics. Does the state health department issue regulations for abortion clinics? Why do so many abortion clinics carry the name “pregnancy center”? Is there an abortion board of examiners? Has the state have any interest is the procedure?

If a woman is going to abort her child, she should have a clean, safe medical environment in which to end the life. There is no real purpose to be served in sending her or the abortionist and the staff to prison. So, we have to face the reality that some women will have the child in their womb killed.

The conundrum is how to make abortion possible, but rare. Abortion is not a “choice”…….it is a decision. It should be an informed decision. It is for so many a haunting decision.

People who focus on “privacy” and “choice” are whistling past the grave yard. They need to face reality. Abortion is not so flippant as being a mere “choice.”

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Helio,
None of my replies contained enough specific information for you to form any such condescending conclusions or sexual innuendos.

Good luck to you and any procreation activities you may choose to undertake. You make yourself perfectly clear and perhaps you can paddle your way through life and its complicated relationships without being nagged by doubt or conscience in regard to “quality over quantity” and abortion as an alternative to responsibility.

Do you believe that a mother should have the choice to destroy their infant immediately after birth if that infant is born with defects?

Do you believe that a mother should have the choice to destroy their infant immediately after birth if that infant is born and is deemed not as perfect as wanted (as you uphold quality over quantity)?

Do you believe that a mother should have the choice to destroy their infant in the last three months of gestation for emotional reasons?

Do you believe that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions for those 1)who essentially use it for birth control? 2)securing a gruesome barbaric partial birth abortion procedure ?

Do you believe that parents should have a choice about surgical procedures such as abortion being performed upon the children in their care?

Can someone point this out to me?

Hmmm….

The stork drops you where you land: Dafur, a gated Hollywood community, India in mid-Monsoon, the deep jungles of Brazil.

You do not get to choose your color, your parents, your chances for survival.

There is no state sanctioned or provided retroactive abortion. Such things are up to the individual. Of course, you can settle for something less, such as perpetually whining about your existence, staying drugged up, being a sociopath or just staying stuck on sophomoric argument as a preening process.

God help the parents who catch one of these stink bombs from the stork.

I am sure that you know people like that, people with severe disabilities, but beautiful souls. That is why God lifts up the humble.

We (the church I attend) go on mission trips to Guatemala and Haiti, and I can tell you that the gentlest people that I know, are the poorest materially. This is why our God exalts the poor.

Even if you were born into a very tough situation, you can have hope. And even if you are born into a very tough situation AND that situation never changes during your lifetime, because of the work that Jesus did on the cross, you can still have hope. Really, what happens on this rock over the seventy or so years you might walk it, don’t really compare to your eternal destiny. And each one of us gets to choose that destiny.

So, if you say, “well I didn’t choose to be here,” that is true. But we do get to choose how to live it and we do get to choose the next life. Make the best choices you can make, forget about the ones you can’t make, they aren’t really choices anyway.

After apologizing for that one distraction, here’s yet another hypothetical. If I stated that I wish my mother had aborted MY own childbirth instead of sentencing me to a life of service, suffering, and a commuted death sentence should it change the scope? Could it be possible that MY rights were violated in that I don’t remember agreeing to being born, into this cold cold world? Do I have any legal grounds for unwillful ‘kidnapping.’ We’ve all heard at least one person during our lifetime say, “[they] wish they’d never been born,” and by God mean it.

At the very least, we were sinless before. I really appreciate and respect most all the posters here so I’m grateful for your comments and feedback on these final thoughts.

I don’t think anyone (I admit I haven’t reread the entire thread, above) said that sex is for reproductive purposes only.

“This should free up a lot more of their time; and, two, the rich.”

Huh? I don’t get where you get either of these two points. Please clarify.

I don’t remember signing up to be [here].

When a woman’s health is in danger, an abortion changes from a choice to a medical procedure that may be necessary to save a life. This, by the way, was not legalized by Roe v. Wade. It has always been true that doctors can take extraordinary measures to save a life.

-Ben

Don’t people have the right to protect themselves from harm?

Let’s face it, pregancy can be a dangerous business. It can be a debilitating business. One’s body can be transformed in very negative ways. Some of the changes are life long AND negative by any definition.

If a zygote or embryo has some sort of “right” to live, doesn’t the person carrying that zygote or embryo, and who does not want it, have the right to protect themselves from what is clearly imminent danger to their body?

I think they do.