Tuesday, February 20: Greetings! This post is closed. There’s been an arrested in the second Duke rape case, so continue the discussion here.
Update (2/14): Alleged victim is white; alleged rapist is black. Hmm…what broad social commentary will feminists come up with now? Will the New Black Panthers return to Durham to lecture their “brother” on the evils of his allegedly brutish behavior? Will the Group of 88 sign another “listening” statement? If I see a single column from a feminist ranting about this incident the way they did with the lacrosse case or hear one chastising word from a black militant toward the alleged rapist, I’ll videotape myself eating a boiled rat and upload it for the world to see.
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An 18-year-old Duke University student said she was raped in the bathroom at a house party early Sunday morning. The man is described as “late teens or early 20s, about 6-foot-1 and wearing a black do-rag, a gray sweatshirt and blue jeans.” (Source)
So, who was this do-ragged dude? Is he one of the “several male Duke students” living in the house?
Let’s not ask the questions we all want to ask. We’ll wait for more facts to emerge before we do that, OK? (Yeah, right!)
Whether or not a rape occurred, I hope the Durham police and DA’s office do a much better job investigating than they did in the Duke lacrosse “rape” case.
Feel free to post links and more info about this developing case. More to come…
Update: The Chronicle, Duke’s student newspaper, reports what other stories have omitted: the suspect is black. It’s important to note race as a descriptor if the alleged rapist isn’t in custody. This men-in-their-thirties-style crap is irresponsible.
Duke blogging: The Johnsville News, Durham-in-Wonderland, LieStoppers, Crystal Mess, John in Carolina…
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Snip:
“A neighbor told WRAL that Duke and Durham police broke up the party around the same time as the alleged attack. Sources tell WRAL both drugs and possibly a gun were found inside the home by authorities.”
Source: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1200387/
No doubt ‘race’ will be the focal point of this enquiry as well?
I hope I am wrong.
I think we all should ask the questions we all want to ask! If race was so important in the first “rape” case, then why should it not be important in this one? Why would they not include the skin and hair color in the suspect’s discription? Their political correctness is pure BS. What a disservice to every female out there.
Wow, this is complicated is it not? I mean, the headline is that a woman “says” she was raped. I would hate to have been raped and then have people doubt my report because of some other person’s nonsense. But then it shows less of a rush to judgment than the notorious case it follows.
And then the do rag description, America has a history of being in the wrong in our treatment of black men. So I felt uncomfortable in reading the description, wishing the perpetrator to be a white man.
Isn’t that weird? But it is true in my heart. For me it just shows how far reaching and poisonous the Nifong disaster is.
Trey
Yes the suspect is Black. And guess what type of fraternity Phi Beta Sigma is? Yep you guessed it. Watch the MSM yawn. I really hope the group of 88 I mean 87 gets what they deserve. Karma slings a mean boomerang…
LaShawn,
Hello! There was once a very cool disc jockey in Los Angeles named Paul Compton. He identified himself as P.C. Primarily. The late Mr. Compton did this way before the concept politically correct concept came into being.
I think we should label these type of articles, P.C. Primarily.
John
i knew he was black when he was described. its stupid to omit that fact
I can’t tell the race of the victim from the articles sourced here but seeing how Phi Beta Sigma is a historically black fraternity, I’m going to take a educated guess and assume the victim is black as well.
And Rodney just because the fraternity is a black one, doesn’t mean there can’t be bad apples in every bunch. Please don’t smear the entire organization by the alleged actions of one person.
As a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, I surely hope that this guy was not a member. Our fraternity as well as other fraternities, could do without the negative publicity and the naysayers who seem to love to hear about Greeks being in trouble and will try to use this as a basis for their continue hatred. I do wonder what the race of the alleged victim is because if she is black, there will not be a race issue, but if she is white, race will be the central issue.
I wonder if the Fraternity in question has the same history of misconduct that the Lacrosse team had, if so then one can complain about the conduct of the MSM on this case. But does this not point to a bigger problem of leadership at one of our finer universities? As hard as it may be to put away the race card, we should all look at the bigger deeper issues of the conduct of the students and leadership in our institutions of higher learning. A few days a blog posting on this very blog was about the lagging of America in the global economy. I think a better question would does this help America get ahead in the global economy.
According to Fox news, drugs including cocaine, marijuana and oxycontin were found in the house.
However, we should not be deterred from remembering that the lax players were hooligans, guilty of “suspicion of throwing water” in their dorm; noise violations; and underage drinking. (I believe they also stole a banner from a neighboring rival college.)
I’m certain President Brodhead and the Durham judicial system will manage to weigh the gravity of the relative offenses and assign punishment appropriate to each; but if you happen to be jaded with skepticism, feel free to sign the following petitions about the case :
Petition to Attorney General Cooper to end the hoax :
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/208340697
Petition to the Justice Department to investigate
corruption in the Durham city administration :
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/465788496
Petition to Attorney General Gonzales to investigate civil rights violations and hate crimes in the Duke lacrosse case :
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/728631166
I agree with Roye, if the victim is indeed black this story will become a non-issue.
Even if the female student is black, the Group of 88, no, 87 should get out their pots and pans and start banging. Bring out the full page ad, but this time address the travesty of black on black crime.
Nifong Foe Questions Judge’s Delay
Durham — A Durham resident who last week filed court papers seeking the removal of Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong from office on Monday questioned a judge’s decision to delay action on the issue.
Elizabeth Brewer filed a civil complaint against Nifong on Friday, alleging willful misconduct and conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice that brings the office into disrepute. The charges stem from his handling of the investigation of rape allegations against members of the Duke University lacrosse team.
Senior Resident Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson said the civil complaint mirrors ethics charges the North Carolina State Bar has filed against Nifong, and he issued an order Monday that would defer Brewer’s complaint until after the State Bar hearing in the case is completed.
But Betty Tenn Lawrence, an Asheville lawyer representing Brewer, on Monday challenged Hudson’s authority to postpone the removal proceeding. State law dictates that the judge act on the civil complaint within 30 days, Lawrence wrote in a letter to Hudson.
Reade Seligmann, 20, Collin Finnerty, 20, and David Evans, 23, have been indicted last spring on charges of first-degree sexual assault and first-degree kidnapping. A 28-year-old North Carolina Central University student told police she was assaulted by three lacrosse players while performing as a stripper at a March 13 team party at an off-campus house.
Nifong dropped rape charges against the three men in December after the accuser wavered in her account of key details in the case. He later asked to be removed from the case and had the state Attorney General’s Office to appoint prosecutors to handle the case.
The State Bar has filed an ethics complaint against Nifong, alleging he withheld exculpatory evidence from defense attorneys representing the lacrosse players, misrepresenting the truth to the judge in the case and violated professional conduct rules by making misleading and inflammatory comments about the defendants.
Nifong’s response to the complaint is due Feb. 23.
Source: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1201028/
#3. “I think we all should ask the questions we all want to ask! If race was so important in the first “rape†case, then why should it not be important in this one?”
I personally would ask: If race was such a ridiculous obstacle in the first Duke ‘rape’ case, why should it be in this one too?
And yes, I was proved right, ‘race’ will be the focal point of this.
Shame.
A ’source’ said he’d be very surprised if the young lady isn’t black. He was invited to this ‘party’ (I think he said it had been labeled a ‘pajama party’). Also, the makeup of the tenants is something like 3 whites and 1 black (the black guy is a Sigma). Person doesn’t think a Sigma is who is being accused though. And I agree guys in fraternities are not all and parties where there is alcohol isn’t all bad. Sometimes, I think some people have never been young — so quick to get on what most college age people do (or have done). Did I ever take a drink of anything before I was 21? yes Did I ever attend a party where someone was doing something they shouldn’t be doing? yes Most of us would answer this way if honest.
link
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While investigators were at the scene, a man threw a duffel bag out a window, which police searched, finding a large plastic bag containing a green, leafy substance. Police escorted the man who’d come to the window out of the house shortly after, with one of the officers carrying a plastic bag that appeared to contain a handgun.
The Police Department’s news release didn’t mention the man, the leafy substance or the weapon. It was unclear whether the man was one of the duplex’s tenants, and police had not reported making any arrests as of Sunday evening. Chalmers said he didn’t know what evidence investigators gathered at the scene.
A man who said he lived in the duplex, but who declined to give his name, confirmed there had been a party, but waffled about whether or not the man police detained was a fellow tenant. He did say the man “had a pellet gun in the shape of a handgun.”
The tenants are probably all down at the station house voluntarily talking to the police without lawyers present and offering to take lie-detector tests. And I’m sure DA Nifong will be before the cameras to explain everything shortly…
I want to see Cash Michaels distribute the EXACT same type of article as he has done for the Lacrosse players. I want the ‘new black panthers’ to come to Durham and stage a protest. I want Jesse Jackson to offer this young lady a full scholarship (whether she’s telling the truth or not). I want the G88 to put in their two cents worth. I want the people of Durham to pay very close attention…..
Who’s smearing? I’m an Iota. The fact that the Sigma’s are a Black frat is just as salient a point as the alleged rapist being Black. I am not making the assertion that black frats are inherently bad. The media if it decides to even cover this story will take special care not to mention that the Sigmas are a black frat, that is my point.
I haven’t seen anything about a police report, hospital report or a rape kit. Seems like after the first incident, it would be a good idea to find out if indeed such an incident actually occurred. Plus dna etc.
Who knows…maybe after reading a report about police visiting a wild party, someone decided to get her 15 minutes of fame.
I thought I would check out the “Durham Herald Sun” to see what’s been written about the alleged assault of this young woman. As of 4:46 pm today, February 12, there is absolutely no coverage on this story. There are three other stories about Duke University but nothing about the alleged rape… What’s up with that? Is this not a newsworthy topic? After all, it occurred in their town…
Source: http://heraldsun.com/
I read that her friends were taking care of her. What does that mean? Was she treated at a hospital?
Duke student says she was raped at party
“Once they did the preliminary interview, she was taken to the hospital to be examined,” the chief said. “We’re going to be following up with her and seeing if she can identify suspects in the case.”
According to Fox news, drugs including cocaine, marijuana and oxycontin were found in the house.
However, we should not be deterred from remembering that the lax players were hooligans, guilty of “suspicion of throwing water†in their dorm; noise violations; and underage drinking. (I believe they also stole a banner from a neighboring rival college.)- Seahawk
Apparently, there are hooligans (privileged white boys) and then there are boys who just wanna have fun (those who are not privileged white boys). As we all know, cocaine abuse and pot smoking cannot compare in the dregs of the universe stakes, and anyone who indulges in water fights is simply beyond the pale (volunteer activities and academic hard work, notwithstanding.)
Only two questions matter.
Was there a rape?
Who did it?
It’s wrong to let anything (like race) get in the way of discovering the answers to those two questions.
Duke Chronicle, student newspaper, says house rented by sigma’s. There is some time confusion, first reports say police broke up party at 3 am and then rape was reported at same time. Suspect supossedly just walked to party. He is, it appears, known to other party goers. Expect arrest soon. Nothing anywhere about the drugs, yet. House is on a dead end street, so noise is not a problem. Gang of 88 meets tonight for a “shut up and teach” meeting where they plan to fight back the intimidation they have experienced. We will see if they fight back against this latest rape, since the accused is Black.
Kemp
Haven’t we learned from Homeland Security that if a black man commits a crime we should be arresting blonde toddlers and grandmothers from Peru?
On a more serious note: the abuses in the previous case have made it more difficult for a legitimate charge of rape to stick. That’s unfortunate. I don’t care what shade of skin the perpetrator or the accuser is wrapped in; I just hope justice is done.
I doubt if it’s going to happen, now.
I am on the edge of my seat waiting for ads from the group of 88 who apparently feel really sorry for themselves for being misunderstood. One would just wish that they extended their tender feelings to the young men who have been virtually destroyed by the turn of events. Alas, these self absorbed adults reserve all of their tenderness for themselves. Yuck and yuck!
kemp, how was the trip? Welcome back. Gang of 88, no wait, 87 should just “shut up” and forget about the “teach”.
Just like our local ‘Media General’ propaganda rag. Any crime that is reported and doesn’t state that the suspect is white, you automatically know the criminal (99% of the robbery and assult crimes) is black. A description of a 5′8″, 175 lb male, with no race indicated, sure helps the public help the police.
Excerpted comments from Duke VP Larry Moneta
in an interview on local NBC station about the latest rape accusation :
NBC17 Reporter (Costello): “No matter what colleges do, incidents like this are inevitable”
Duke VP Larry Moneta: “It’s part of the reality of collegiate life and of experimentation and some of the consequences of students not always being in the right place at the right time.”
(hat tip: TS at Liestoppers)
Moneta of course had different things to say about the lacrosse players. And nobody then (or now) referred to their underage drinking as ‘experimentation’. (Maybe they should have used drugs instead…)
I am truly heartsick right now because all the rhetoric about future alleged rape victims and alleged rapists is coming to pass.
This is the sad legacy of Nifong, CGM, the Duke faculty and staff, the race baiters, and the feeding frenzy of the liberal MSM.
If this poor girl was raped, it doesn’t matter what color she is, it doesn’t matter what color the alleged rapist is, it doesn’t matter where they go to school or how much money their parents have – what matters is: 1) If a young woman was raped, it is a horrible thing, or 2) If a young man is being railroaded by the mess that is the Durham criminal justice system it is a horrible thing, and 3) these horrible things wouldn’t even be considered if we had faith in the Durham authorities.
It is truly sad.
Dear La Shawn: I guess we are now starting to see the true “social disaster” unfold before us. Not the gang of 88’s social disaster, but the consequence of inciting riotous behavior and convicting the accused before there is a trial. There is no way I would vote for a rape conviction in Durham regardless of the prosecutors “facts” because we all know the D.A. and the police make up “facts” whenever they want to. And i think most observers would be just as skeptical as I am about Durham rapes. As an aside, I am very indifferent to the race of the victim or accused. A crime is a crime regardless. For racist groups like the group of 88, race and gender make all the difference. The Grand Wizard of the KKK is alive and well at Duke university in the person of the Professors. Bigots unite behind the group of 88!!!!!
#26 Redbeard,
I totally agree.
In legal matters, appearance should be a description, not a thesis or nudge/wink assumption.
Unfortunately many pundits both left and right LOVE to pimp race for what many believe to be ‘good’ reasons.
Once again, repeat after them:
A. ‘White’ conservatives are rich racist elites who use blacks to further their agenda.
Not forgetting…
B. ‘White’ liberals are rich racist elites who use blacks to further their agenda.
JohnD, who is “using” blacks? Is it conservatives who want to stop segregating and pigeonholing people based upon race, or liberals who dismiss black Americans as being inferior and requiring governmental assistance to get by in life?
Duke appears to be helping the residents of the house where this second rape occurred to find new housing. (The Duke Admin. would not speak to the lax players and they were left sleeping in their cars or friends’ houses and moving from place to place to avoid threats.)
President Brodhead was out in front when the lacrosse case broke, saying they even if they didn’t commit the rape, “what they did was bad enough”.
In this second case, Brodhead is invisible.
The lax players were condemened for urinating in public and underage drinking. In this second case, having drugs and a gun is apparently just “experimentation”, typical of all college kids.
The lax players were falsely said to be hiding behind a wall of silence (they actually spoke without lawyers for three hours to the police, and assisted them in gathering evidence.)
One of those at the house in this second case attempted to go out the window with a bagfull of drugs.
Nevertheless, the media have told us who the hooligans are; and DA Nifong is still on the job and will be sure the handle this case with appropriate care.
I agree with Roye, if the victim is indeed black this story will become a non-issue.
Comment by Tiffany in Houston
By victim, do you mean the female, or the black man she is accusing of rape?
And if there was a rape, why would the story become a non-issue in black Durham and with Lefties?
Because the accuser is black?
Or because the alleged Perp is a victim of slavery and oppression and is expected to do crime?
Rape Investigation Continues
Apparently, the Duke Chronicle is way ahead of the MSM on this story.
Interesting:
The alleged victim “is doing as well as can be expected,” Dean of Students Sue Wasiolek said.
University officials said Monday that they had met with members of the fraternity after the report was filed by the alleged victim, who Wasiolek confirmed is white.
Some of the students living at the house in which the party took place are in the process of relocating either temporarily or permanently, Wasiolek wrote in an e-mail.
“The University has been assisting the students to identify their housing options,” she said.
Does anyone see anything different about this case? (If you can even find anything about this case anywhere else)
The media have guarded factual information in the new Duke rape case better than state secrets in the Global War On Terrorism (GWOT). Their silence is deafening. So, too, is the silence of the Duke Administration and faculty, and their various leftist fellow-travelers. Actually, comments from Duke officials, as well as their actions, have been supportive of the accused and tended to downplay the seriousness of the allegations against them. Why has their response to these latest allegations been so starkly at odds with precedent from the LAX case, where many in the Duke community and elsewhere continue to agitate for prosecution and conviction of the falsely accused LAX players?
I suspect the alleged rape of a (privileged?) white coed by a black male doesn’t fit their notion of a “social disaster.” Perhaps they consider it a “privilege” for the alleged victim to be thus violated. Perhaps they see this particular species of rape as being part of some new theory of racial “reparations” according to which black males are entitled to expropriate conjugal rights from white females in the interest of “social justice.” More likely, I think, they consider the case too much of a POLITICAL disaster, insofar as stands in stark contrast to their central thesis of black victimhood, for them to comment on. They prefer to simply pretend that it didn’t happen. What we’re witnessing, I’m afraid, is the death of justice and the rending of the socio-political fabric. Unless these trends are reversed, self-government is impossible over the long term.
Finally, something from the “Durham Herald Sun,” who reported a “black male” is the suspect. I guess a lot of people are going to be “mum” about what happened. Maybe we need to get Crimestoppers to make a poster with the mugs of the Phi Beta Sigma members and ask them to come forward because we know they know what happened in that house…
Police mum on status of rape investigation
DURHAM — City police didn’t report making any progress Monday in their investigation into the reported rape of an 18-year-old Duke University student at a weekend party at a 405 Gattis St. duplex.
Investigators made no arrests. There was also no word on what happened to a man police led away in handcuffs outside 405 Gattis St. early Sunday.
“The only thing I can tell you is that they’re still investigating all aspects of that,” Police Chief Steve Chalmers said. “I can’t tell you anything at this time about what’s going on.”
Chalmers did say police officers had visited the duplex during the party, which neighbors said began Saturday night and continued until 3:30 a.m. or 4 a.m. Sunday.
The visit occurred in response to a noise complaint, and the residents of the duplex “were very courteous and compliant” about addressing the problem, Chalmers said, adding that he didn’t know exactly what time officers were there.
The woman told investigators she was attacked in a bathroom at about 3 a.m. Sunday. An incident report filed by Office Kevin Bobbitt alleged she was forced to lie on the floor and that the suspect disrobed the victim and himself. Bobbitt’s report also alleged that hands and feet were used as weapons, and that drugs and alcohol were not involved.
City/County 911 Director Jim Soukup said communication logs and material related to Durham Police Department radio traffic about the incident had been turned over to police.
Police said that in connection to the rape charge, they’re looking for a black male in his late teens or early 20s. He is said to be 6 feet 1 inch tall and at the time of the incident was wearing a black do-rag, a gray sweat shirt and blue jeans.
They also said that at least 50 people were attending the party when the incident occurred. Other Duke students are known to have attended, but neither police nor Duke officials would say whether Duke students were renting the building.
A neighbor who declined to give her name said Duke students have rented the property in all but one of the eight years she’s lived in the neighborhood.
The Durham real estate agent who manages the property, Dick Patton, declined comment.
Durham County land records show that 405 Gattis St., and a house next door, 407 Gattis St., both belong to an Oklahoma company, Arcadia Land Management LLC. The firm bought 405 Gattis St. on Dec. 5, less than three months after closing on the house next door.
The Durham lawyer who handled the closing, Richard Prentis Jr., said 405 Gattis St. “was bought as investment property,” and added that he believes it had already been rented to its present tenants. Prentis declined to say anything about the owners or the tenants.
One of the former owners of 405 Gattis St., Durham resident Robert Schmitz, said he didn’t know much about the buyer and declined further comment.
Source: http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-819121.cfm
“Perhaps they see this particular species of rape as being part of some new theory of racial “reparations†according to which black males are entitled to expropriate conjugal rights from white females in the interest of “social justice.—
That must be one of the most offensive things I’ve read here, on probably all levels.
#36 “JohnD, who is “using†blacks? Is it conservatives who want to stop segregating and pigeonholing people based upon race, or liberals who dismiss black Americans as being inferior and requiring governmental assistance to get by in life?”
Redbeard, I think you misunderstand, I was just repeating the (sarcastically) the far-right and far-left things said about whites of both political stripes.
The conservative line is that white liberals are and elite ‘using blacks.’ to push a racial agenda.
The liberal line is that white conservatives are ‘using blacks’to push a racial agenda.
You will find far left (Socialist Ebonics programs looking for funding, anti-white literature etc)quotes to buoy such an opinion.
You will find far right (National Vanguard, Amren, CofCC etc) who think that blacks are genetically inferior and try to convince the world of this.
The truth is, the majority of people does not fall into these ridiculous stereotypes.
I’m white, and by most standards here, I would be called ‘liberal’, yet I do not support affirmative action, I do not think ‘blacks’ are inferior, I do not call Conservatives broadly ‘racist’ , and I do not call liberals broadly ‘racist’, because I would be lying.
Yes, JohnD @43;
That is offensive. And if someone in the black community really felt that way, I would be offended too.
I think SteveDinMD is frustrated – as many of us are – by the obvious double standards we’ve seen with the Duke Rape Hoax and the current alleged rape with regards to race and how it’s depicted or not depicted in the MSM. We’ve had to deal with the Gang of 88-1 who made immediate judgments and assumptions about the guilt of three Duke Lax players. Then we’ve had to contend with the anger and threats by the New Black Panthers, the black community in Durham, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and other black leaders who banged pots and pans and posted threatening signs on the house where the bogus rape occurred. Then we’ve got Cousin It on national TV telling “fantastic lies,†just like CGM, about hush money and anything else he/she could dream up. But yet with the recent alleged rape of a white girl by a black man, we hear crickets. We’re frustrated by the bias and we’re pissed.
And if you read SteveDinMD’s whole post, it’s obvious that he’s being sarcastic, which again I think comes from frustration. (SteveDinMD, correct me if I’m wrong.) There’s no need to repeat the myriad of reasons why white people feel frustrated. You’ve read them here so you know what they are. There is a lot of racial bias and it’s not fair. People are people, regardless of color, and we should all be treated equally. No one should have special privileges or rights because of the color of their skin. I’m not trying to start a war here, I’m simply telling you how I feel and how I think others feel. I hope we can all continue to have a meaningful exchange. I do appreciate your input on LSBC.
#45, now you know how some blacks feel. The fustrations runs deep in both communities.
Hi Tate,
You say:
“There’s no need to repeat the myriad of reasons why white people feel frustrated…You’ve read them here so you know what they are.”
I’m ‘white’, but I can’t say I subscribe to a ‘one-white-fits-all’ frustration related to my skin-colour, and I’ll try and listen to all sides of any story.
As for reading the ‘myriad reasons’ here, I would (objectively)in no way reckon that ‘white’ views are expressed in their entirity here, no more than if I were to hop along to an intractably liberal pundits blog and expect to see the ‘one-size’ view of ‘whites’ represented there.
Do ‘whites’ even exist in such an ideological enclave as to have collective ‘reasons’ for frustration that aren’t experienced by people with darker shades of skin from varying ethnicities?
Are ‘whites’ widely becoming the ‘victims’? in America now? Or is miscarriage of justice carried against other races too? No miscarriage of justice is right (by the way), in my book. I wish people could all get along without pushing skin colour like some kind of right/left black/white one-upmanship/downmanship colour-wheel of hyped-up write-off-ness!!!
Rant over
Meanwhile the Duke faculty fiddle away
http://z9.invisionfree.com/LieStoppers_Board/index.php?s=c2b6198326017ff8974b0a8c4978603d&showtopic=2088&view=findpost&p=7926688
JohnD @47;
I stand by what I said… Those are my feelings. And if you feel differently that’s your prerogative. And no, I certainly don’t ascribe everything I said to only white people (let’s not forget who runs this blog, okay) or to all white people for that matter.
And where did this pushing skin color thing come from? Who’s pushing skin color? JohnD Quote: “I wish people could all get along without pushing skin colour like some kind of right/left black/white one-upmanship/downmanship colour-wheel of hyped-up write-off-ness!!!†Did you read my whole post, or is it standard practice for you to pick sections you don’t like and then jump down peoples throats? Jesus, man, I honestly don’t understand your hostility. Go take a chill pill and lie down.
You say you listen to all sides of the story, then why not listen to mine without blowing up, twisting my words, and making assumptions about my motives and making more of it than what I intended? And just remember, the “pushing skin color†thing, those were your words, not mine.
There HAS been a miscarriage of justice in the Duke Rape Case, yessir, which is the subject of my post including recent events… And I stand by that comment, too!
This latest rape presents a terrible situation for the Group of 88.
To be consistent, they MUST publish yet another “Listening Statement”. They MUST congratulate those screaming “Castrate”. They MUST thank vigilantes who ‘will not remain silent’.
Yet to do so, might mean criticizing a black male, thus upsetting the Black professors.
To fail to do so would risk the feminist professors’ anger in not standing up for a female victim who could ‘not conceivably be lying’.
OTOH, should they remain quiet, they look like fools or moral bankrupts.
Ah yes, the politically correct train wreck.
Lady Justice is a two-faced kind of friend
By Joan Foster
In Durham…Lady Justice is a two-faced kind of friend.
If you ever get in trouble, there is NO “consistent” trend.
The way the folks in power treat you…can significantly change
From one case to another…quite a shocking range!
Today Mr. Whitey Bennett and Ronnie Garrett are relieved
Their murder charges tossed away…witness just can’t be believed!
Yes, the ADA must walk away, Mr. Ennis’s credibility’s reviled
He’s told too many stories to take the case to trial!!
Yes, he told too many stories…Mitchell Garrell can’t proceed
Yet Crystal’s 15 versions get treated like religious creed.
Crystal changes names, and circumstance, she even changes crimes
But, the Lacrosse case is” different,” so different THIS ONE TIME.
There’s now another incident, another party, an accusation!
But Durham sure is “different” as they approach this “unsavory” situation!
Are the Wanted Posters going up, … the frat boys’ faces on each pole?
Demanding information! My God! “We Know you Know!”
Has the N&O talked to neighbors offering hostile information?
Did these frat boys ever “swagger” or indulge in public urination?
Will there be sweet stories on this “victim”…where Samiha fawns?
Will the world soon know the dimensions of this attacker’s daddy’s lawn?
Has the Rev. Jesse Jackson booked a fancy suite in a motel?
Will he pay this girl’s tuition, ensure her scholarship as well?
Will there be a “Listening Statement”…The 88’s empathy marching on?
Are those “Castrating” Potbangers shining up the Calphalon?
Will the City Council scourge the boys…remember Eugene Brown?
Will he call the frat boys “cool cats,” who make a “sandbox “of his town?
Will he insult THEIR daddies too, or this time withhold blame?
Time will tell if Mr. Brown treats ALL these boys the same!
And where is Mr. Nifong…will he be making media tours?
Will he be saying now with CERTAINTY, “Yes sir, a brutal rape occurred.”
Drugs and guns, an accusation,…surely Nifong will opine!
Isn’t Durham’s reputation once more on the line?
So, surely, Mr. Nifong will step in and save the day!
And once more will proclaim himself – the all powerful “Inspector D.A.!!”
While Moneta clucks to us…the naive must understand the deal…
“Experimentation!” “Reality”…(ho-hum) the “consequence” is real.
Someone check the zip code! What’s behind this transformation?
Perhaps alien Body Snatchers overtook the Durham population?
Everything they do reminds us of the travesty last time.
The Lacrosse case was SO different……and therein lies the crime.
Source: http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/
Well, I reckon I’ll weigh in, even though I’m mourning a TarHeel loss to an inspired Va. Tech team …..
I do wonder if the relative silence from the media and the Gang of 88/87 is because of the flack we of the Blog Nation have given them for rushing to judgment this past spring…. No? Well, maybe they just won’t admit it….
I also wonder if there’s a sense that, since it’s obvious someone cried “Wolf!” in March, 2006, then there’s an inescapably expected skepticism, right or wrong, going on when the next person cries the same thing. I remember the claim about 15 years ago, that something foreign like cockroaches were being found in canned Pepsis …. and while I was defending a pharmacist in a prescription error case in a rural county, I had to deal with a claim by a “CopyCat Alleger” that the soda fountain folks had served a Pepsi containing a roach at the pharmacist’s store….
Soooo…. maybe there’s a sensible explanation for the lack of news stories, until more basis for the allegations are known. Maybe there’s a reason, good or not, for the current skepticism concerning the new accuser’s claim.
No matter whether “she’s white, he’s black” this time around: Precious, is this your fault?
TaterCon: I would tend to agree with your hypothesis of “once bitten, twice shy” as an explanation for the pervasive silence surrounding this latest rape allegation — except for the fact that the Gang of 88 continues to defend their rush to judgement and denounce the LAX players, and Nifong, for his part, continues to profess his belief in the players’ guilt, while saying nothing about this latest case. The usual suspects continue with their full-court-press in the long-obvious hoax, while at the same time they completely ignore a fresh allegation that might well have merit. I can only conclude that this is because the rape of a white girl by a black male is neither as politically useful nor as personally satisfying to the authorities and various interested parties as a rape case where the racial identities are reversed.
#49
I said ‘people’, Tate. That wasn’t even remotely directed at you, but at ‘people’ who use skin colour as a ‘valid’ indicator for their ‘write-offishness’ (Both black and white, left and right, hence the colour wheel anology), so unless you are intractably both black and white/left and right all together, the comment could not possibly be seen as directed at you.
No hostility here, I was expanding upon what you said about ‘the way whites feel’, then stating how I as a ‘white’ actually feel.
I hope that is clearer.
Regards
John
Last year, I was relaying an account of a brutal attack on a friend’s twenty year old (in Canada) in which she was burned with cigarette butts while being taunted with racial epithets, all of this while being gang raped.
Unbelievably, a number of black posters said things such as “Now you know what we face” (huh?) and “That’s probably not true” (oh really) and so on.
I began observing this phenomenon and find that a disturbingly large percentage of black people dismiss any and all accounts of the experiences of white people.
Often, when I read accounts of being hassled by traffic cops, having to conform to the corporate world, or being passed over for an incompetent white person, or even having hostility directed one’s way by a person of another race (a daily occurrence for any white living in a minority area), I think to myself “Wow, welcome to our world.”
At the end of the day, relationships are two way streets and it cannot be incumbent only upon whites to have to understand why it is so horrible to call a black person articulate or to happily compare one’s tan with a black person (as one outraged poster said had happened to her) while having little understanding directed back.
Believe it or not, white people do bleed, all of that privilege notwithstanding.
Hey, the Duke Lacrosse Team’s sweatshirts are gray. Maybe it’s time to take another look at them…
So, Circa Bellum, (since you weren’t specific in your post) are you implying that the only black Lacrosse team member may be a suspect in the recent alleged rape of this young woman?
Duke donor owns off-campus duplex where coed says she was raped
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-819427.cfm
LOL! La Shawn, too funny! I guess we won’t be seeing you dine on “Rat-a-la-boil” anytime soon!!! Thanks for the laugh!
Boiled rat, eh?
Kempx, if Coach K loses more games in this streak, La Shawn could have “Rat Face on a Skewer” …..
;-0
TaterCon
Mighty brave talk.
As you know, NC State is my team. Dad went to Va Tech. So, Number One son is the only family member in trouble.
81-80 what a NICE score and at home!!
Kemp
OK, OK….. I’ll concede I just led with my glass chin there ….
Some of the members of the fraternity which had the party where the second ‘rape’ was alleged are athletes at Duke. They were NOT the ‘rapist’ and had nothing to do with the ‘rape’. It is possible that NONE of them were present at that party.
But if so, does Duke have a policy with regard to what happens to teams and team members who are at a party when there is an allegation of rape?
Or what happens when there is underage drinking? Or what happens when there is drug use at such a party (not necessarily by any of the student athletes)?
I’ll add, as well, that if any of the team members go down and talk to the police openly about that party, without lawyers, then they are fools–even if they have nothing to hide and want to cooperate to help ascertain the truth about that night and who a possible culprit might be.
Because unless they have a spare $3 million laying around, they could be spending the next 30 years inside a prison, for something they knew nothing about and didn’t do. Even if DNA evidence shows they had no contact whatever with the ‘victim’, and someone else did.
Even if they have pictures showing themselves elsewhere at the time. Even if they have witnesses and documents and phone records. . .
I’m really concerned, what if this person was really raped? Now because Nfong was a dummy and that heffa probably lied a true victim may not receive justice.
I just hop it doesn’t become open season on women, one allegedly cried wolf so all women do:(
CGM should get jail time, and this latest case is the reason why, well that and the fact that she lied.
The CGM’s of this world make life difficult for genuine victims, and the last thing a genuine rape victim needs is for people to assume she’s faking it because they can point to a known example of a liar. I do not know why it isn’t routine to arrest false accusers of rape, but it should be. Why isn’t this on the table? Why is she still on the loose? I was under the impression that when you frame someone for a crime, you get the same punishment the other person would have recieved if you had not been caught. False accusations should get similar treatment.
#45, now you know how some blacks feel. The fustrations runs deep in both communities.
Comment by Roye Barber — 02.13.07 @ 4:22 pm
These frustrations easily turn to hate, and it’s only going to get worse. If you don’t like reverse racism, don’t vote democrat. Democrats cater to the blacks. Boycott events (sports), stores, etc. that have mostly blacks working. Remember money talks. We need to be separated.
I’ve been wondering about this particular case… Is it possible that the people who jumped to conclusions in the Duke case are now conceding that maybe the critics were right? Maybe cases like this should NOT be tried in the Court of Public Opinion?
I’d wait until another biracial event occurs, THEN see if they’ve learned their lesson about this.
I have some suggestions for the preparation of your “track rabbit” if you ever lose a bet like that.
La Shawn, you are beautiful, witty and wise!
Boycott events (sports), stores, etc. that have mostly blacks working. Remember money talks. We need to be separated. -Mike
Why would we want to boycott stores that have lots of black folks working, and for heaven’s sake, why do we “need” to be separated? To me, the thing we ought to all be working towards is a better understanding of one another because we have a lot more in common than we have differences.
Suspect arrested in second rape :
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1208088/
Durham — Durham police have arrested a suspect in connection with a sexual assault reported earlier this month at a party near Duke University.
Michael Jermaine Burch, 21, of 322 Junction Road, was charged Monday with second-degree rape in connection with the Feb. 11 assault.
At this time he is only a SUSPECT and we should regard the state’s accusations with extreme skeptisicm until its case against him is PROVEN BEYOND ANY RESONABLE DOUBT. If called to serve on his jury, our attitude should be, “Prove it!”
Of course, those other three guys deserved none of the above, and still deserve to be guilty even if they aren’t, because of all that has gone on before…
Seahawk, “because of all that went all before”. I know you meant this sarcastically, but did you know that it’s quite possible that there has NEVER been a gangrape of a black woman by white men in HISTORY? I’ve tried to find one, but I can’t. Here’s what I did find: The FBI statistics show that every year 20,000 white women are raped by blacks — thousands by gangs (”multiple offender”). The incidence of white-on-black rape is always an asterisk in the FBI statistics, meaning the sample size is too small for meaningful extrapolation. From other sources I find the ESTIMATED number of annual white-on-black rapes to range from a high of 900 to a low of 100. If we take the median of this range, 500, that means that about 40 white women are raped by black men for every ONE black woman raped by a white. Want to have more “fun”? Take 20,000 and divide it by 365 — that’s 55 white women EACH DAY being raped by blacks, or more than 2 per HOUR. Yes, that means while you are reading this, a white woman is NOW being raped by a black man.
Btw, in case you think this is a “reversal” of history — in case you believe the blood-libel that claims that white men have a “long history of raping black women”, think again. Even during SLAVERY time, the evidence is that there were far more black rapes of white women than vice-versa. Hard to believe in light of the lies we’ve been told all our lives, but true.
I’ve read a bunch on the Duke case. I have numerous interests in that case as I am from the same home town as Colin and moved upon graduation from high school to Salisbury NC about 90 minutes south of Duke. Some of the questions I have are as follows
1) I’ve heard a great deal about the accuser and a history with the law. Does anybody think that she will be charged with anything? (false report or worse)
2) Does anybody think that the police, especially this gent Gottleib, will be charged with anything since they appear to be strong-arming the defense folks…the cab driver or not taking complete notes of the crime etc.
3) Today February 19, 2007 is the first I am hearing about the cabbie going to court over some old warrent and charges. can anybody point me in the right direction to find out more about the trial and its outcome. I’m told the police lied in the trial and contradicted surveilance tape.
4) Lastly, If Nifong gets off on the ethics charges with the NC Bar, does that make it impossible to sue him??
Thanks
Greg
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