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		<title>By: Creative dude</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87560</link>
		<dc:creator>Creative dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49,

The path for freedom has been a struggle for long enough that it would be difficult even to define differences.  One of those important events was when the plebes forced the roman aristocrats to write down the law.  Another was the american revolution.  Yet another important step started in England in 1787 and gained impetus during our civil war.  The Dred Scott decision put it clearly enough in black and white that the opposition coalesced together to take another step in the struggle for freedom.  The struggle continues today.

The union movement in the 30&#039;s was also a tool towards freedom.  Alas, today the unions want to do away with the secret ballot.

The passage of the right to vote act most surely was a clear step in the good fight.  The passage of the &quot;Great Society&quot; welfare bill can be seen in retrospect as a well meaning mistake.

Fifty years from now we will see much more clearly if the war in Iraq was a step towards freedom or a well meant mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49,</p>
<p>The path for freedom has been a struggle for long enough that it would be difficult even to define differences.  One of those important events was when the plebes forced the roman aristocrats to write down the law.  Another was the american revolution.  Yet another important step started in England in 1787 and gained impetus during our civil war.  The Dred Scott decision put it clearly enough in black and white that the opposition coalesced together to take another step in the struggle for freedom.  The struggle continues today.</p>
<p>The union movement in the 30&#8217;s was also a tool towards freedom.  Alas, today the unions want to do away with the secret ballot.</p>
<p>The passage of the right to vote act most surely was a clear step in the good fight.  The passage of the &#8220;Great Society&#8221; welfare bill can be seen in retrospect as a well meaning mistake.</p>
<p>Fifty years from now we will see much more clearly if the war in Iraq was a step towards freedom or a well meant mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Oran Woody</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87523</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned that 150 years is not that long. I agree (although I might have not done so when I was much younger).

Here is my take on it not being so long ago.

I am sixty-three years old and was lucky enough to know my grandfather. He was born in 1891 so likely knew people who had been young adults at the time of the Dred-Scott Decision.

That means that only one full lifetime separates us from the days when American slaves were a fact of life.

Not so long ago, indeed.

Thank you for your work and thoughtful insight.

Woody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned that 150 years is not that long. I agree (although I might have not done so when I was much younger).</p>
<p>Here is my take on it not being so long ago.</p>
<p>I am sixty-three years old and was lucky enough to know my grandfather. He was born in 1891 so likely knew people who had been young adults at the time of the Dred-Scott Decision.</p>
<p>That means that only one full lifetime separates us from the days when American slaves were a fact of life.</p>
<p>Not so long ago, indeed.</p>
<p>Thank you for your work and thoughtful insight.</p>
<p>Woody</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Brahms</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87334</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Brahms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dread Scott was also wrong in conflating &quot;person held in bondage&quot; with &quot;property.&quot;  Once it is admitted in law that slaves are persons*, there is no logical way they can be regarded treated merely as property, even if they have restricted rights.  The medieval concept of serfdom recognized as much.

*A person is represented in congress, even if he counts only 3/5th.  No piece of property, be it land or house or horse, can be represented in congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dread Scott was also wrong in conflating &#8220;person held in bondage&#8221; with &#8220;property.&#8221;  Once it is admitted in law that slaves are persons*, there is no logical way they can be regarded treated merely as property, even if they have restricted rights.  The medieval concept of serfdom recognized as much.</p>
<p>*A person is represented in congress, even if he counts only 3/5th.  No piece of property, be it land or house or horse, can be represented in congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Brahms</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87332</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Brahms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can make a strong case that in those states that did not outlaw slavery in 1776, slavery was extended, not initiated, and so the history of slavery in states like Virginia, which was settled in 1607, extends back to about 1630 (if, in fact, slavery, in distinction to time-limited bonded servitude, began in the 1630s.)

There is confusion if you say slavery in the United States goes back to 1630.  Before the 13th amendment, slavery was only a result of United States&#039; policy in Washington D.C.  Otherwise it was governed by the policies of the several states.  At least in the original 13.  

The situation was complicated again in the territories.  Jefferson, although he could not bring himself to free his own slaves, insured that slavery would be outlawed in the Northwest Territories.  There followed the Missouri Compromise, and it really is doubtable that congress had the authority to determine whether slavery might be allowed to exist in those areas that passed out of territoriality and into statehood.  The Dread Scott decision confounded this problem, and in addition to its repugnance consequentially, was probably bad constitutional interpretation, because before the 13th amendment,  each state had the authority to determine who was free within its own borders.

Over such a grave question of fundamental human freedom, a civil war had to come, because the branch of government that was entrusted with interpreting the Constitution failed in its duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can make a strong case that in those states that did not outlaw slavery in 1776, slavery was extended, not initiated, and so the history of slavery in states like Virginia, which was settled in 1607, extends back to about 1630 (if, in fact, slavery, in distinction to time-limited bonded servitude, began in the 1630s.)</p>
<p>There is confusion if you say slavery in the United States goes back to 1630.  Before the 13th amendment, slavery was only a result of United States&#8217; policy in Washington D.C.  Otherwise it was governed by the policies of the several states.  At least in the original 13.  </p>
<p>The situation was complicated again in the territories.  Jefferson, although he could not bring himself to free his own slaves, insured that slavery would be outlawed in the Northwest Territories.  There followed the Missouri Compromise, and it really is doubtable that congress had the authority to determine whether slavery might be allowed to exist in those areas that passed out of territoriality and into statehood.  The Dread Scott decision confounded this problem, and in addition to its repugnance consequentially, was probably bad constitutional interpretation, because before the 13th amendment,  each state had the authority to determine who was free within its own borders.</p>
<p>Over such a grave question of fundamental human freedom, a civil war had to come, because the branch of government that was entrusted with interpreting the Constitution failed in its duty.</p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah.  But I&#039;ll take the Harley in the right lane here:  http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race03/photos/sunday/Photo8.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah.  But I&#8217;ll take the Harley in the right lane here:  <a href="http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race03/photos/sunday/Photo8.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race03/photos/sunday/Photo8.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn and Redbeard

      If you&#039;ll indulge me for one more. Here&#039;s the Segway Centaur in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l486tKKIifY
Tell me you don&#039;t want one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaShawn and Redbeard</p>
<p>      If you&#8217;ll indulge me for one more. Here&#8217;s the Segway Centaur in action. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l486tKKIifY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l486tKKIifY</a><br />
Tell me you don&#8217;t want one.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87242</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my other choice was &quot;The white man is the devil!&quot; But, that&#039;s actually the title of a new album by Boston rapper Slaine. I didn&#039;t want to run into any copyright issues. Slaine is white and from South Boston, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my other choice was &#8220;The white man is the devil!&#8221; But, that&#8217;s actually the title of a new album by Boston rapper Slaine. I didn&#8217;t want to run into any copyright issues. Slaine is white and from South Boston, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/03/06/dred-scott/comment-page-2/#comment-87238</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....Yeah...so...anyway, Redbeard. Black power! Are we back on track yet?

&lt;em&gt;That was funny. :) - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.Yeah&#8230;so&#8230;anyway, Redbeard. Black power! Are we back on track yet?</p>
<p><em>That was funny. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still haven&#039;t figured out a use for the two-wheeled Segway, let alone a four-wheeled one.  ;-)

Hey, we need a referee&#039;s decision here; is this the worst case of thread drift ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t figured out a use for the two-wheeled Segway, let alone a four-wheeled one.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hey, we need a referee&#8217;s decision here; is this the worst case of thread drift ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard, 

       I&#039;ve been reading Popular Mechanics for about 25 years and Moller has had a feature article at least yearly since then (maybe more). Another cool item is the Segway Centaur. www.segway.com/products/centaur/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard, </p>
<p>       I&#8217;ve been reading Popular Mechanics for about 25 years and Moller has had a feature article at least yearly since then (maybe more). Another cool item is the Segway Centaur. <a href="http://www.segway.com/products/centaur/" rel="nofollow">http://www.segway.com/products/centaur/</a></p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel, the car is on my Christmas list for next year.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel, the car is on my Christmas list for next year.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In #42: &lt;em&gt;What statistics do you have to support otherwise?&lt;/em&gt;

Poverty Rate:

&lt;strong&gt;2005&lt;/strong&gt;: 24.7%
&lt;strong&gt;1966&lt;/strong&gt;: 41.8%
&lt;strong&gt;1959&lt;/strong&gt;: 55.1%

Educational Attainment:

&lt;strong&gt;2005&lt;/strong&gt;
High school +: 80%
Some college +: 44.7%
Bachelors +: 17.3 

&lt;strong&gt;1966&lt;/strong&gt;
High school graduate: 28.5%
4 years college: 2.3%
5 years+ college: 1.3%

To find the source, go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://darkstarspoutsoff.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/black_stats.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Stats&lt;/a&gt; and follow the links there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In #42: <em>What statistics do you have to support otherwise?</em></p>
<p>Poverty Rate:</p>
<p><strong>2005</strong>: 24.7%<br />
<strong>1966</strong>: 41.8%<br />
<strong>1959</strong>: 55.1%</p>
<p>Educational Attainment:</p>
<p><strong>2005</strong><br />
High school +: 80%<br />
Some college +: 44.7%<br />
Bachelors +: 17.3 </p>
<p><strong>1966</strong><br />
High school graduate: 28.5%<br />
4 years college: 2.3%<br />
5 years+ college: 1.3%</p>
<p>To find the source, go to <a href="http://darkstarspoutsoff.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/black_stats.html" rel="nofollow">Black Stats</a> and follow the links there.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard, 

     That&#039;s good. Did you see the flying car?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard, </p>
<p>     That&#8217;s good. Did you see the flying car?</p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hide the fact that my ancestry is part French.  I don&#039;t mind being called a Mick or a Kraut, but I just can&#039;t take being called a Frog.  

Actually, I like to claim I&#039;m Swiss, because it&#039;s safer.  Got the red pocketknife and everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hide the fact that my ancestry is part French.  I don&#8217;t mind being called a Mick or a Kraut, but I just can&#8217;t take being called a Frog.  </p>
<p>Actually, I like to claim I&#8217;m Swiss, because it&#8217;s safer.  Got the red pocketknife and everything.</p>
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