So much for a black-brown coalition.
A black principal at some majority-hispanic school in Chicago was voted out by a majority-hispanic school board in favor of an hispanic principal. A supporter of the black principal was heard shouting “Speak English!” to a woman speaking Spanish, and there was chair-kicking going on. Some allege the whole thing is racial. No! Really?
This is what happens under a system of racial spoils. Blacks have been propped up as THE preferred minority group for decades, ostensibly because of slavery and government-mandated segregation.
Today’s racial spoils system is based not on slavery and Jim Crow, but on whichever group, black or hispanics, has the “power” at any given time to push its agenda. You’ll notice that Asians and other racial/ethnic minorities aren’t wasting their time fighting over scraps. Or “turf.” Why? (Also see Black and Hispanic “Hate” in LA County)
I read an article the other day about hispanics gaining political power and black politicians’ perilous positions in majority-hispanic districts like Rep. Maxine Waters’s California district. Man, I wish I’d saved that link. It’s a must-read. Hispanics are out-breeding everyone else. And unlike voting black Americans, 90 percent of whom vote for Democrats, the hispanic vote is more dispersed between both major political parties. That gives them a lot more leverage. Take a memo, black folks.
Contrary to some people’s opinions, I’m not enjoying the current black-hispanic battle for preferred minority status, nor am I looking forward to more intense battles to come. (I once said I enjoyed it, but I was being facetious.)
(Hat tip: Random American)
Addendum: A commenter got the wrong idea about this post, so let me clarify. I don’t question whether Jones was hired because of her race. I think she was voted out because of her race. But that’s just an opinion. Judge for yourselves.
Additionally, I’ve heard blacks say that if a school is majority-black, the teachers and principal should be black so the kids can “relate” to them and have “role models.” I’ve also heard them say an organization’s staff should reflect the racial makeup of the community. I’ve always thought such attitudes were terrible and arguments logically unsound, and blacks who support this nonsense will see just how terrible and unsound once they start getting ousted by hispanics through the same faulty reasoning. They’ll have no moral leg to stand on.
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And we’re suprised by this why? Disappointed? Yes! shocked? Not a bit. This is a long time coming and the democrats are smart enough to know that the more that come across the border and get hooked into the welfare state the more power they will wield since the last thing you do is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Comment by Greg Laurich — 03.14.07 @ 1:14 pm
Your comments on the principal seem to suggest that she somehow got her position because of her race.
I would like to point out that Mrs. Jones has spent over 25 years at that high school. 12 years as teacher, 5 as assistant principle and the last 8 as principle. It should be noted that in her tenure as principle graduation rates have increased along with attendance rates and test scores and there has been a decrease in the drop out rate.
She was not voted out by the school board, her contract was not renewed by the local school council, which consists of parents and teachers.
The woman who was told to speak English was actually a local school council member who was addressing parents and students at a local school council meeting concerning the principle. Even though the school is 65 Hispanic there were non-Spanish parents and students and it is rude to not translate what is being said especially since it affects their children and there is also the concern that this was done just so a Hispanic principle could be brought to the school.
Is this racial of course, is this someone with an axe to grind? Probably since the principle had the local school council president, the person who pushed to have her removed,investigated for allegedly receiving bribes. I’m new to your blog, but I think that you should paint a clearer picture of what is has happened in this situation.
Lastly, the mayor and the president of the school board have both come out in support of the principle as well as students and parents.
Nope, didn’t mean to suggest that at all. Whether her race was a factor in hiring, I have no opinion, but I think she was fired because of her race. - Admin
Comment by Drdobgyn — 03.14.07 @ 1:40 pm
All she’s done is made her school better and yet they decide that a change is needed… Somethings not right here…
And last I looked the blog was about the firing of the principle because of her race and not how she was hired, heck blogs didn’t exist back then…
Comment by Greg Laurich — 03.14.07 @ 1:50 pm
So we have a time where affirmative action actually got a school board to decide that they needed to hire a hispanic principal rather than keep an obviously well-qualified black principal?
schadenfreude at its finest. As a white male I’ve lost count of the number of job opportunities I get turned down for because of the color of my skin or my sex as companies push the racial spoils systems. To see that hispanics are learning to play the game and willing to use it to benefit only themselves only gives me hope that soon the entire idea of affirmative action will be demolished and we can live in the dream world of Martin Luther King where people are judged by the content of their character.
Comment by Mark — 03.14.07 @ 1:59 pm
Ms. Jones was my High School history teacher way back when in 1976. She was Miss. Leonard back then boy times sure are changing.
Comment by Warrior Nurse — 03.14.07 @ 2:00 pm
Forget about race for a minute. How did her students do on state-mandated tests? How many of her students graduate in four years? How many students are accepted into college, the military, or trade schools? Is this school a safe school? What is the teacher turnover rate? These are just a few of the questions that need to be asked/addressed by parents, the school board, faculty, staff and by the state board of education. Race is only a “shell game” designed to make matters more cloudy and convoluted. Honestly, race is not a matter in this issue.
Comment by Jeff Turner — 03.14.07 @ 2:02 pm
Mark,
” As a white male I’ve lost count of the number of job opportunities I get turned down for because of the color of my skin or my sex as companies push the racial spoils systems.”
I think I would remember the number. How do you know that was the reason? Did you talk to the hiring manager afterward? Or, was this just a feeling you had? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I really want to know the truth behind the statement.
Comment by Angel — 03.14.07 @ 2:08 pm
Huh? I’m as much against the Dem’s and their backwards policies as any sane “true Conservative” could be. But I think we’re neglecting to place the blame squarely where it should be. This administation has done nothing to stem the tide of illegal Mexican immigration. La Shawn, you pointed out that;
“the hispanic vote is more dispersed between both major political parties. That gives them a lot more leverage.”
This is exactly why the present adminstration won’t place troops on the border. Hispanics are the largest minority now in the U.S. That means VOTES! Remember Florida in 2000? Hispanics were squarely in the GOP column. (I wonder if Columba Garnica Gallo [aka Mrs. Jeb Bush] had something to do with that…ya’ think)
Getting back to “The Principal”, really, what did you think the Hispanics were going to do? They are going to look out for their own. Another unfortunate reality is that there’s nothing the blacks can do about it. In my opinion this is the best thing that could happen to blacks in Chicago. Being thrown out of your school/ neighborhood/ job should motivate them to improve themselves along with their social self-image.
Comment by NeoLibertarian — 03.14.07 @ 2:16 pm
Schadenfreude, indeed. And it’s happening more and more often.
What’s wrong with firing the lady, anyway? She’s not the right color. Shouldn’t the Hispanic majority get to hire an individual who is more representative of their majority and responsive to their needs? Isn’t this done all the time??? Don’t the liberals out there tell us it’s necessary?
I know in nearby New Orleans, the shenanigans of the school board over the last decade have been stunning to watch, and no one had any problem telling the world that whites had to be fired to make room for ‘representative’ black leaders.
Oh it’s hard to find out that what goes around comes around!
Comment by Stacey — 03.14.07 @ 2:24 pm
HEY JESSE JACKSON WHY DONT YOU AND YOUR RAINBOW/PUSH BUNCH OF HOOLIGANS GO TO THAT SCHOOL AND DEMAND THE REMOVAL OF ITS HISPANIC WACKOS
Comment by BIRDZILLA — 03.14.07 @ 2:38 pm
“Remember Florida in 2000? Hispanics were squarely in the GOP column.”
While your statement may be possibly technicaly true, I think it was more of a Cuban thing than a hispanic thing. The Cubans ever decrease as a percentage of hispanics in florida and the nation.
Comment by pjgoober — 03.14.07 @ 2:48 pm
Like humans do of all races and creeds, another case of cutting off the nose to spite your face.
I hope the hispanic principal that they hire does a good of a job as it seems Mrs. Jones has, and if not, good for their a**es.
I would encourage Mrs. Jones to look at this incident as a blessing from God that will lead to bigger and better opportunities. I also hope this will lead her to viewpoint that this country needs to curb illegal immigration.
I might be liberal on a lot of things but immigration ain’t one of them.
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.14.07 @ 2:48 pm
Schools are judged on performance not racial make-up. Since this school is performing well(test scores are on the rise); the principal is well-respected, and her staff respects her authority and opinions, so what is it that the students are protesting against? They are looking a gifted horse in the mouth and will not like what they are going to see.
Comment by Jeff Turner — 03.14.07 @ 3:08 pm
Maybe this is too esoteric, but………
Nature is conservative. It maintains its balance through practicing continuity AND change: adaptation and evolution.
The Hispanic “minority” has been here for a long, long time. But they are growing in size and strength and now the political forest if going through the process of adaptation in order to protect the continuity of the forest. Maybe the Hispanics will become the big trees and the NAACP will be reduced to shrub status. The forest will still survive.
Looks like plain old ecology to me.
Comment by Heliotrope — 03.14.07 @ 3:11 pm
Helio -
So in your opinion should the rights of blacks (who in your analogy would be the shrubs) should be discounted or displaced or deferring to promote the rights of Hispanics???
And furthermore, if you want the NAACP to be diminished, then I would think you would dislike LULAC as well???
Jeff Turner: The students in the article were protesting because the principal got fired and they liked her.
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.14.07 @ 3:20 pm
This happened on a larger scale with the Houston Independent School District. When Rod Paige was made Superintendent, the Hispanic community went ballistic. Of course, during his tenure he elevated the district to a high level. When Bush brought him to Washington, the expectation was for a Hispanic Superintendent, yet when Kaye Stripling (a white woman) was hired permanently the Hispanic community went doubly ballistic. Finally Abelardo Saavedra was hired.
Comment by Shade — 03.14.07 @ 3:26 pm
Angel, I don’t want to end up thread jacking this topic, but you asked me a question that deserves an answer
I think I would remember the number. How do you know that was the reason? Did you talk to the hiring manager afterward? Or, was this just a feeling you had? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I really want to know the truth behind the statement.
Comment by Angel
I don’t know the exact humber because I didn’t bother to count when it happens, and to a point don’t care, I just went out to make my own opportunities.
As for how I know. I have the wonderful disadvantage of living in California and having a hispanic sounding last name. I can’t count the number of times that I’ve had a hiring manager suddenly change their attitude towards me after meeting me, when they were all but gushing about how great a hire I’d be over the phone. I even had one company pay to fly me to Tennessee for an interview only to almost immediately indicate that my interview was pro-forma because the company had an AA policy and I’d been asked to interview solely based on my last name. Its been so blatant in a couple of phone interviews that I actually take the time to warn HR managers rather emphatically that despite my last name I am NOT hispanic early in the phone interview to make sure I’m not being considered to fill a racial quota, many of the interviews don’t last much beyond that point.
So, yes, I do have evidence that affirmative action has cost me a few job opportunities over the years. Some of the jobs I wouldn’t have gotten anyways. (the Tennessee job was one that I really wasn’t qualified for, but since they thought they had a Hispanic candidate they invited me to interview, for example.), but once is too often.
Comment by Mark — 03.14.07 @ 3:31 pm
Additionally, I’ve heard blacks say that if a school is majority-black, the teachers and principal should be black so the kids can “relate†to them and have “role models.â€
This is true, but do you think that it has generally been this blatant? I’m not really familiar with a long time, successful white principal being kicked out of a black school so blatantly because he or she is white.
Comment by Shade — 03.14.07 @ 3:33 pm
Well I am. I’m going to laugh my a** off. Full fledged schadenfreude. The 90%(Black people that vote democrat) have been playing the race game for 4 decades debasing and demonizing the 10% for leaving the plantation. I can’t wait to go to visit my Maryland relatives and get a haircut. I’m picking a political fight over their treatment of Michael Steele. “See that’s what you all get!”
“Watch ‘em steal New Orleans right out from under you.”
Comment by Rodney — 03.14.07 @ 3:36 pm
Well I’m part of the 90% who would generally vote democratic and I haven’t demonized anyone, so what the hell are you REALLY talking about?
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.14.07 @ 4:06 pm
TO TIFFANY:
I MEANT TO SAY THE SCHOOL COUNCIL. IT…WAS…AN…HONEST…MISTAKE.
Comment by Jeff Turner — 03.14.07 @ 4:23 pm
I’ve watched four news reports on this story and while each one reported the ethnicity of the participants, not a single one gave a reason as to why she was fired.
Biased? Naaaah.
Comment by Mark La Roi — 03.14.07 @ 4:23 pm
#15 Tiffany in Houston,
You have read some interesting things into my post that I did not say and do not think.
Politics is the process of gaining, holding and exerting power. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Hispanic minority is growing and gaining strength. In the natural order of things, it is very likely that they will push the old crowd aside and take their place in the sun.
I suspect that the NAACP is going to be reduced to playing catch up in the attention getting game.
I do not know what “rights” you are talking about. What are the “rights” missing for blacks and/or Hispanics in the country?
My post was in the spirit of the long view. I am told that the day is not far off when a majority of US citizens will be Hispanic. In the meantime, they will be a minority that is growing in size and political muscle.
In the forest, one group of trees will start to spread and crowd out the old dominant group. It remains a forest, but one type of trees have been taken over by another. Continuity and change: and so it goes.
Comment by Heliotrope — 03.14.07 @ 4:39 pm
I’ve heard blacks say that if a school is majority-black, the teachers and principal should be black so the kids can “relate†to them and have “role models.â€
“majority-black” implies there are non-black students. Who are they supposed to “relate” to? Who are their “role models”? Why is there only concern for the majority and not for ALL students?
Just about all the students, Hispanic and African-American, at Saturday’s meeting supported Jones.
It seems like the Hispanic students at the school aren’t having any problems “relating” to Ms. Jones as a “role model.”
(OT: I think it’s actually Muslims “outbreeding everyone else”–they just haven’t reached critical mass outside of Michigan cities. Yet.)
Comment by Radish — 03.14.07 @ 5:32 pm
Don’t give me that BS. If you are part of the 90% then you know EXACTLY what I’m talking about. “Well it isn’t me” So? When the “other part of the 90% does what do you do? I whole lot of nothing which is tacit authorization. I will enjoy every last minute of this.
Comment by Rodney — 03.14.07 @ 6:14 pm
Rodney -
Like I said, talking loud and ain’t saying nothing.
Since you don’t know what I do and when I do it, just be quiet.
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.14.07 @ 6:21 pm
Hey, LaShawn has said it all.
The politicians will play to the votes and that’s all the way from Kennedy/McCain down to the school board level.
And guess what, the middle class as we know it in this country, you know the one we are all striving to attain or maintain, will PAY because we are sheep being led to the slaughter.
This country will become part of the North American Union as soon as the baby boomers die out, a death breathlessly awaited by the liberals in this country. Yah I know, some of us caused this…that’s the most disgusting part.
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Rodney states;
“The 90%(Black people that vote democrat) have been playing the race game for 4 decades debasing and demonizing the 10% for leaving the plantation.”
Sorry to inform you Rod, but add 3 1/2 centuries to that figure, factor in Jim Crow, Dred Scott, Kansas vs. Board of Ed, Civil Rights legislation ect…, and you should come up with = “the race game (from all sides) has always debased and demonized America”.
Moveover, there are 2 possible trains of thought concerning this issue.
1. Are the Hispanics emulating or using a “black” preferrential treatment model to further their cause?
2. Or, are they using a “pre-civil-rights” white separatist style approach to further their race/culture in America?
Frankly, only those who are privy to the Hispanic “ideal” could say.
Comment by P. Anthony Allen — 03.14.07 @ 8:59 pm
The 90% figure is correct, the comment about Latinos spreading their vote is not correct.
Remove Cubans in southern Florida from the equation, and Latinos trend Dem.
Comment by DarkStar — 03.14.07 @ 9:03 pm
“Frankly, only those who are privy to the Hispanic “ideal†could say”
And why is that? Because you can’t tell the difference? Is there a functional difference?
Comment by Stacey — 03.14.07 @ 9:23 pm
Shut up fool. Trying to ideologically link The last 4 decades of disgusting, crippling, race games of the Democratic party, Al Sharpton , and Jesse Jackson and their actions to the Dred Scott case,? Mo-ron.
Comment by Rodney — 03.14.07 @ 11:02 pm
Comment by Rodney — 03.14.07 @ 11:12 pm
“Shut up fool. Trying to ideologically link The last 4 decades of disgusting, crippling, race games of the Democratic party, Al Sharpton , and Jesse Jackson and their actions to the Dred Scott case,? Mo-ron.”
Fool??? Moron??? Hmmmm? La Shawn, pardon the “off topic” responce.
Pardon my moronic persona if I choose to believe that Shapton and Jackson (although they might have worn out their welcome with you)were spawned from the wrongs of the pre-civil-rights case’s i’ve cited. If you wish to believe that the Democratic party has crippled blacks more-so than past injustices…you can believe what you want.
I believe that black people in America can succeed if you work hard and put forth the effort to do so, REGAURDLESS OF WHAT POLITICAL PARTY HE OR SHE CHOOSE’S TO VOTE FOR! I can name you plenty of successful black folk…Democrat, Republican, Independant, Socialist…whatever!
Here’s a question for those who believe in the crippling, distructive powers of the Democratic Party. The Jewish population has long VOTED for and supported the Democratic party, should the Dems take credit for how prosperous the Jewish community has become?
Your tone and responce clearly express your bias and distain for the Democratic party, and particually, the vast voting Black allegiance to the party. I’m here to tell you my goodfellow… NOT ONE POLITICAL PARTY CAN RECTIFY THE ILL’S OF BLACK FOLK IN AMERICA. IT MUST BE DONE BY BLACKS THEMSELVES. Thus if none can rectify the ill’s, it’s disingenuous (and moronic) to blame either political party.
Comment by P. Anthony Allen — 03.15.07 @ 12:22 am
Forget about race for a minute. How did her students do on state-mandated tests? How many of her students graduate in four years? How many students are accepted into college, the military, or trade schools? Is this school a safe school? What is the teacher turnover rate? These are just a few of the questions that need to be asked/addressed by parents, the school board, faculty, staff and by the state board of education. Race is only a “shell game†designed to make matters more cloudy and convoluted. Honestly, race is not a matter in this issue.
Comment by Jeff Turner
Jeff, you say forget about race, then try to turn it all into metrics of student performance as a measure of a pricipal’s effectiveness…based on some naive belief that the race and socioeconomic background of the students has no impact.
I could walk into an all-Asian elementary school in California and only worry about getting the immigrant kids caught up and know because of the parents and hard work the rest would be easy. I could be a principal at a Hassidic Jewish school in NYC or an all-white High school in Vermont and just stay in my office pick my nose, download porn, whatever…even not show up for work the whole year…..and be confident that all your metrics would be satisfied.
No, let’s not forget about race.
And numbers count. The reason why so many inner city schools have black and almost only black employees in staff and administration is that black voters long ago had the numbers to get rid of the whites that held those positions before the 1970s. Now it’s the blacks turn.
Comment by Chris Ford — 03.15.07 @ 5:12 am
Mark,
In regard to your comments, I don’t doubt that those experiences have happened in your life. This door, however, swings both ways. Not in the way that you think however. As the door is shut on an individual for the reasons you mentioned, so too is the door opened for the individual hired.
I am Hispanic and I consider any hiring attempt, rationale, or preference based on my skin color, to be an affront to my intelligence. I have worked too long and too hard to stand still for something that I regard as rank condescension.
I have been an elementary school principal. I was a principal of a school that was 55% Hispanic. When I made it to the final interview, I made it a point to tell the interview committee and the superintendent that if they were looking to hire “a brown face” to appease their community, they could count me out. I told them they should hire me because I was their best candidate and I would do what was best for all children and represent all the parents.
Happily, I did get hired. It has been my fortune to know that I have made my way in life based on my abilities and merit. I never wonder if any special break, preference, or quota was ever considered when I earned my grades, degrees, jobs, or positions. I couldn’t live with myself otherwise; my pride would not allow it.
Comment by Israel — 03.15.07 @ 9:12 am
Why are we equating black and hispanic as races?
I wonder…what about a hispanic who is black?
I think we’re mistaken here, hispanic is a culture and/or ethnic group, not a race. There are the “Indian” hispanics, the “white” hispanics and “black” hispanics. There are many different colors here.
The current battle over preferred minority status, which I dont believe exists, is crazy, even if it were true. Thats probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Preferred minority status? What is being fought for? Who is saying this? I dont even hear leftist blacks saying this crap.
What then? What was the RACE of the person who replaced the black principal?
Hmmm…..
Comment by lukeNC — 03.15.07 @ 9:19 am
Neo,
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I don’t know what to say. I like the fact that you use Jesse Lee to cover yourself, but other than that, a predictable performance.
Comment by Angel — 03.15.07 @ 11:25 am
Angel - Don’t bother. Please don’t waste keystrokes on THAT .
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.15.07 @ 11:27 am
Jesse Lee Peterson is just as much of a demagogue as the original Classic Jesse. I guess this is what passes for dialogue in your circle, Neo. Pathetic.
Comment by Angel — 03.15.07 @ 11:29 am
Tiffany,
Too late. I won’t go any further, but I had to “say” something. I couldn’t help myself. I’m “out of control”.
Comment by Angel — 03.15.07 @ 11:32 am
Angel - LMAO!!!
Well don’t feel bad, according to Neo I’m a welfare baby mama with 4 kids living on section 8. After all I am a black woman, aren’t I.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Comment by Tiffany in Houston — 03.15.07 @ 11:37 am
Ok. This time, it seems that white people are not guilty!
Pingback by Jarhead — 03.15.07 @ 12:09 pm
“Ok. This time, it seems that white people are not guilty!”
Jarhead
I’m glad you said seems. Revisit comment #29 and you can see that there are 3 1/2 centuries in which to search for reasons to lay this at the door of white people. If it makes the msm, surely they will be able to supply the correct one.
Comment by Mike O — 03.15.07 @ 1:02 pm
lukeNC,
It is true that hispanics are a culture/ethnic group, not a race. Don’t you think that definition applies to blacks in America, too?
Comment by Stacey — 03.15.07 @ 1:15 pm
Stacey, yes I most definitely agree.
I am half Hispanic, I suppose. My father was born and raised in Panama and speaks fluent Spanish as well as English. He is a black hispanic but was just classified as black.
Comment by lukeNC — 03.15.07 @ 3:36 pm
If you want to know why Asians don’t buy into the minority status trap, it is because most Asians don’t view themselves as minorities. Oh sure, we are smaller in numbers but it’s not an acceptable excuse in the community, ESPECIALLY when the topic is education .
While other groups, including whites, fight each other over power, money, status, etc. We will continue to do what is best for us and take care of our families, our kids, and ourselves.
My mother always taught me that it doesn’t matter if other people think less of me because of my race. Prejudices only serve to limit one’s intellect and imagination. I take a more live and let live approach believing that other people’s prejudices are their problems and have nothing to do with me.
Obstacles that would limit others are seen as a challenge to overcome. There is no honor in crying over real or perceived grievances. Honor comes in facing those challenges and overcoming them without bringing shame to individual or family.
Comment by Thao — 03.15.07 @ 7:16 pm
Hi LBC-Thanks for your witty and wise comments.
As for education…please check the IL house bill 466 which seeks to limit the growth of charter schools in Chicago and the whole state.
This bill is wrong wrong wrong! Over 10,000 students are on waiting lists in IL to gain a voice in their education.
check out http://www.votersvoice.org/Groups/INCS
or http://www.incschools.org
IL Network of Charter Schools
Comment by Meg — 03.15.07 @ 10:23 pm