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		<title>By: JohnD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90906</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 11:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;just when I thought you had posted an entirely laughable list, I got to the last entry.&quot;

Your selective belief tells the larger truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just when I thought you had posted an entirely laughable list, I got to the last entry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your selective belief tells the larger truth.</p>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90905</link>
		<dc:creator>redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 11:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnD, just when I thought you had posted an entirely laughable list, I got to the last entry.  You almost got that one right, except for the fact that not all liberals are homosexuals.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnD, just when I thought you had posted an entirely laughable list, I got to the last entry.  You almost got that one right, except for the fact that not all liberals are homosexuals.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JohnD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90904</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but one indisputable fact is that there is always some degree of truth to them.&quot;

Americans are white, obese, obnoxious and uneducated?

The average African is a proud but vioent type of animal wearing feathers on his head?

The Irish are dumb but drunkenly affable?

Jews rule the world as self-interested vermin?

Europeans and the Arabs are principally smelly and lazy

Chinese people are dog-eating aliens from another planet

Conservatives hate black people and are driving for Armageddon (&#039;End Times&#039;)

Liberals are traitorous communists and homosexuals and want to destroy the world with deviance.

Degrees of truth, don&#039;t you love em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but one indisputable fact is that there is always some degree of truth to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans are white, obese, obnoxious and uneducated?</p>
<p>The average African is a proud but vioent type of animal wearing feathers on his head?</p>
<p>The Irish are dumb but drunkenly affable?</p>
<p>Jews rule the world as self-interested vermin?</p>
<p>Europeans and the Arabs are principally smelly and lazy</p>
<p>Chinese people are dog-eating aliens from another planet</p>
<p>Conservatives hate black people and are driving for Armageddon (&#8217;End Times&#8217;)</p>
<p>Liberals are traitorous communists and homosexuals and want to destroy the world with deviance.</p>
<p>Degrees of truth, don&#8217;t you love em!</p>
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		<title>By: batyah</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90903</link>
		<dc:creator>batyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 06:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the people with the &quot;black sounding&quot; names become highly educated, exemplary workers, then in short order, &quot;DeQuan&quot; will have an advantage over &quot;Bob&quot; in the job market.  N&#039;est pas? Stereotypes are not fair to the individual but one indisputable fact is that there is always some degree of truth to them. I say this even as  a Jewish person. It&#039;s a fact of life that we all have to deal with in one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the people with the &#8220;black sounding&#8221; names become highly educated, exemplary workers, then in short order, &#8220;DeQuan&#8221; will have an advantage over &#8220;Bob&#8221; in the job market.  N&#8217;est pas? Stereotypes are not fair to the individual but one indisputable fact is that there is always some degree of truth to them. I say this even as  a Jewish person. It&#8217;s a fact of life that we all have to deal with in one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90902</link>
		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnD;

Surely you have traversed the blogosphere long enough to know that you are supposed to be a mind-reader.  :)

I have discovered that it doesn&#039;t really matter what one writes, it is all about perceptions and what folks think you really meant.Thus, a narrowly defined point becomes so broadly extrapolated that it is no longer recognizable..........and this is what passes for dialogue these days. 

That&#039;s why we have so many folks literally incensed by &quot;motives&quot; thinking and they are darn sure that they know what&#039;s in the heart of every man.

Well, better go brush up with my crystal ball.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnD;</p>
<p>Surely you have traversed the blogosphere long enough to know that you are supposed to be a mind-reader.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have discovered that it doesn&#8217;t really matter what one writes, it is all about perceptions and what folks think you really meant.Thus, a narrowly defined point becomes so broadly extrapolated that it is no longer recognizable&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and this is what passes for dialogue these days. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we have so many folks literally incensed by &#8220;motives&#8221; thinking and they are darn sure that they know what&#8217;s in the heart of every man.</p>
<p>Well, better go brush up with my crystal ball&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: JohnD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90901</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Individualism is only a white trait if you believe that things like speaking standard English and getting good grades in school are white traits. Do you believe that, John?&quot;

So let me get this right,  LaShawn was being sarcastic in saying: &#039;whitest of white traits?&#039;

and was actually hinting that individualism ISN&#039;T a &#039;white&#039; trait, but is falsely (negatively) characterized as so?

If so, er, I guess.

Unless I&#039;ve gotten it wrong again.

Plain speaking is all the rage, I hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Individualism is only a white trait if you believe that things like speaking standard English and getting good grades in school are white traits. Do you believe that, John?&#8221;</p>
<p>So let me get this right,  LaShawn was being sarcastic in saying: &#8216;whitest of white traits?&#8217;</p>
<p>and was actually hinting that individualism ISN&#8217;T a &#8216;white&#8217; trait, but is falsely (negatively) characterized as so?</p>
<p>If so, er, I guess.</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;ve gotten it wrong again.</p>
<p>Plain speaking is all the rage, I hear!</p>
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		<title>By: DANEgerus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90900</link>
		<dc:creator>DANEgerus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;cart-before-the-horse&#039; arguments work if you leap over 100 years of socio-economic history and insist that &#039;black&#039; people are worse off now because [fill in the blank with pet grievance].

When in fact the decline began 40 years ago with the welfare state.

Ironically that welfare state has done more damage then segregation.

Not that segregation wasn&#039;t evil...  but the social dynamics of permanent victims-status have been much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;cart-before-the-horse&#8217; arguments work if you leap over 100 years of socio-economic history and insist that &#8216;black&#8217; people are worse off now because [fill in the blank with pet grievance].</p>
<p>When in fact the decline began 40 years ago with the welfare state.</p>
<p>Ironically that welfare state has done more damage then segregation.</p>
<p>Not that segregation wasn&#8217;t evil&#8230;  but the social dynamics of permanent victims-status have been much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90899</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s try another approach.  

Individualism is only a white trait if you believe that things like speaking standard English and getting good grades in school are white traits.  Do you believe that, John?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s try another approach.  </p>
<p>Individualism is only a white trait if you believe that things like speaking standard English and getting good grades in school are white traits.  Do you believe that, John?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnD</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-3/#comment-90898</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is individualism a &#039;whitest of white&#039; trait?

Or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is individualism a &#8216;whitest of white&#8217; trait?</p>
<p>Or not?</p>
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		<title>By: lukeNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukeNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever did that black sounding names study had alot of time on their hands. 

Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve seen as the great indicators of economic success:

#1 Self-discipline in spending habits (not buying up the whole store every paycheck, saving your money, living BELOW your means, staying out of debt as much as possible)

#2 Being a truth teller.  A legit person is rare.

So even if your name is Daquan or Bubba or Earl Ray or whatever, follow 1 and 2 and see economic success for yourself. 

And thats it. Education can be a good indicator, but I cant tell you how many people I&#039;ve seen who had high paying jobs and have to spend so much to keep up the facade.  

This kind of stuff cuts across all kinds of lines. Conservatives want to cut taxes so they can invest and spend more, liberals want to raise taxes so that the government can spend more. Both wrong. Neither believes in spending only what you have and saving your money. 

I call that old school and they&#039;re a dying breed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever did that black sounding names study had alot of time on their hands. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve seen as the great indicators of economic success:</p>
<p>#1 Self-discipline in spending habits (not buying up the whole store every paycheck, saving your money, living BELOW your means, staying out of debt as much as possible)</p>
<p>#2 Being a truth teller.  A legit person is rare.</p>
<p>So even if your name is Daquan or Bubba or Earl Ray or whatever, follow 1 and 2 and see economic success for yourself. </p>
<p>And thats it. Education can be a good indicator, but I cant tell you how many people I&#8217;ve seen who had high paying jobs and have to spend so much to keep up the facade.  </p>
<p>This kind of stuff cuts across all kinds of lines. Conservatives want to cut taxes so they can invest and spend more, liberals want to raise taxes so that the government can spend more. Both wrong. Neither believes in spending only what you have and saving your money. </p>
<p>I call that old school and they&#8217;re a dying breed.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/05/18/seattle-still-saddled-with-race/comment-page-2/#comment-90896</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, my favorite Alabama barbecue place was run by a guy named Theodis.  I still ate there as often as I could.  He could have been named Beelzebub for all I cared, as long as he made that heavenly barbecue.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, my favorite Alabama barbecue place was run by a guy named Theodis.  I still ate there as often as I could.  He could have been named Beelzebub for all I cared, as long as he made that heavenly barbecue.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tyrian Purple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyrian Purple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John D, with regards to proof---that was exactly the point. Everyone claiming DaQuan has problems because of his name are doing so based on studies that completely ignore Jethro---that was the whole point of saying those studies are worthless. All these words, and we come back to my exact point. Sorry I could not make that clearer before. Glad you seem to have picked up on it, though. 

As for linkable data---no, I only have personal/professional anecdotes about how names are regarded. I stick by what I said---DaQuan and Anfernee bear no greater burden than Billy Bob and Sally Sue. And yes, hippie names can be a problem, too. Sunshine went to my school, I remember the reactions.  

We&#039;ve all heard of Dweezil Zappa. If his surname were not Zappa, Dweezil could be a problem for him---just like Anfernee&#039;s name could. 

I made the sister-marrying reference to show how names like Jethro are perceived here. If you get the &lt;i&gt;Simpsons&lt;/i&gt;, watch for snippets with &quot;Cletus, The Slack-Jawed Yokel.&quot; It&#039;s no accident the yokel married to his sister is not named Francis or John, but rather &quot;Cletus.&quot;

For a note on the life-outcomes of people with names like DeShawn, the Freakonomics guy wrote in Slate that DeShawn has other problems that keep him out of the game, such as his economic status. This was on the basis that parents who name their child DeShawn tend to be less educated, which has more to do with his eventual station in life than his name ever will. 

Note also I am not saying that DeShawn is doomed because of his parents&#039; status. He can succeed, but his background has more to do with any problems he may have in succeeding than his name will. You yourself already noted that the Jethros of this world are not doomed, either.  

I realize names donâ€™t have the same baggage from one culture to the next---a Polish Agnes I knew in high school was mystified because everyone kept telling her that they had a grandmother or great-aunt named Agnes. I had to explain Agnes is an old womanâ€™s name in America. If age discrimination were an issue, she might have to worry about it, but I don&#039;t suspect her name will hold her back much, if at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John D, with regards to proof&#8212;that was exactly the point. Everyone claiming DaQuan has problems because of his name are doing so based on studies that completely ignore Jethro&#8212;that was the whole point of saying those studies are worthless. All these words, and we come back to my exact point. Sorry I could not make that clearer before. Glad you seem to have picked up on it, though. </p>
<p>As for linkable data&#8212;no, I only have personal/professional anecdotes about how names are regarded. I stick by what I said&#8212;DaQuan and Anfernee bear no greater burden than Billy Bob and Sally Sue. And yes, hippie names can be a problem, too. Sunshine went to my school, I remember the reactions.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all heard of Dweezil Zappa. If his surname were not Zappa, Dweezil could be a problem for him&#8212;just like Anfernee&#8217;s name could. </p>
<p>I made the sister-marrying reference to show how names like Jethro are perceived here. If you get the <i>Simpsons</i>, watch for snippets with &#8220;Cletus, The Slack-Jawed Yokel.&#8221; It&#8217;s no accident the yokel married to his sister is not named Francis or John, but rather &#8220;Cletus.&#8221;</p>
<p>For a note on the life-outcomes of people with names like DeShawn, the Freakonomics guy wrote in Slate that DeShawn has other problems that keep him out of the game, such as his economic status. This was on the basis that parents who name their child DeShawn tend to be less educated, which has more to do with his eventual station in life than his name ever will. </p>
<p>Note also I am not saying that DeShawn is doomed because of his parents&#8217; status. He can succeed, but his background has more to do with any problems he may have in succeeding than his name will. You yourself already noted that the Jethros of this world are not doomed, either.  </p>
<p>I realize names donâ€™t have the same baggage from one culture to the next&#8212;a Polish Agnes I knew in high school was mystified because everyone kept telling her that they had a grandmother or great-aunt named Agnes. I had to explain Agnes is an old womanâ€™s name in America. If age discrimination were an issue, she might have to worry about it, but I don&#8217;t suspect her name will hold her back much, if at all.</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, if one has a name that may be a liability, or in the case of my daughter, a geographic liability (#44), then it behooves one to make personal contact of some sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day, if one has a name that may be a liability, or in the case of my daughter, a geographic liability (#44), then it behooves one to make personal contact of some sort.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody important</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife&#039;s nephew married a girl named LaNell.  She&#039;s white.  If her resume were thrown away because her name &#039;sounded black&#039; would that be racism?  Even though no black person was denied an opportunity?  Do names have civil rights?

While those studies do show some disturbing attitudes about how names can be the basis of discrimination, no blacks were injured during the course of the studies.  The hiring managers had no idea what race the applicants were.  I think the better studies for discovering dicrimination are the ones where the applicants are interviewed in person. 

Like another poster asked, what about the children of hippies? Moonbeam, Sunshine, Peekabo, etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife&#8217;s nephew married a girl named LaNell.  She&#8217;s white.  If her resume were thrown away because her name &#8217;sounded black&#8217; would that be racism?  Even though no black person was denied an opportunity?  Do names have civil rights?</p>
<p>While those studies do show some disturbing attitudes about how names can be the basis of discrimination, no blacks were injured during the course of the studies.  The hiring managers had no idea what race the applicants were.  I think the better studies for discovering dicrimination are the ones where the applicants are interviewed in person. </p>
<p>Like another poster asked, what about the children of hippies? Moonbeam, Sunshine, Peekabo, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Pervy Grin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pervy Grin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.&quot;

Love the loaded language.  Whites have been &quot;trained&quot; to mistrust non-whites (by their racist parents and racist society, of course), but non-whites have &quot;learned&quot; to mistrust whites (through their own bitter experiences with racism, natch).  Nope, absolutely no good reason whites would come to mistrust non-whites on their own, because no non-whites have it in for whites, but of course non-whites will &quot;learn&quot; to mistrust whites, because of course white people will take advantage of non-whites any chance they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Love the loaded language.  Whites have been &#8220;trained&#8221; to mistrust non-whites (by their racist parents and racist society, of course), but non-whites have &#8220;learned&#8221; to mistrust whites (through their own bitter experiences with racism, natch).  Nope, absolutely no good reason whites would come to mistrust non-whites on their own, because no non-whites have it in for whites, but of course non-whites will &#8220;learn&#8221; to mistrust whites, because of course white people will take advantage of non-whites any chance they get.</p>
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