I agree there is a slippery slope here on allowing homosexual marriage. But, if anything that sloped was greased with the hypocrisy of so many christian heterosexuals refusing to honor the sanctity of marriage.

I’ve always thought that the previous denial of interracial marriage in this country is the root of the homosexual agenda’s ever expanding desire to get that lifestyle considered the same is a heterosexual one. That supreme court decision is their strength. We should have never denied 2 consenting adults One male, One female the right to get married, NEVER.

I’ve got a story: A muslim ex-friend of mine would always down american values and what not. One day, he said to me and a couple friends that he believed in polygamy. He said, “at least I want to marry all the women I want to be with. You christian american men talk values but always want to have your mistress on the side.” And one of my friends sitting there had a girl on the side and was married. Sad Sad…

Anyone heard the song “cheaper to keep her”?

Allowing two people of the same race get married? You can take affirmative action, illegal immigration, slavery, jim crow, and everything else wrong with this country and they all pale in comparison to the wrong of that kind of union. That and nothing else, is the sign of this country’s imminent downfall.

It seems that the people that are talking the loudest for tolerance, tend to be in practice the most intolerant of all.

We’ve been told our arguments are too ’silly’ to be worth rebutting. There have been insinuations of racism, nazi-ism, etc. . All for stating a preference to maintain the definition of marriage…

Not the most mature of behavior, but there you have it. And it really does have a purpose, which is an attempt to repress such opinions.

“Which side here is refusing to ‘live and let live’? Homosexual groups deny they are pressing for special rights and protection, but no one is shutting down their speech, branding them as hateful, bullying them with threats of firings, and publicly insulting the sacred principles in which they believe. Homosexual groups maintain they are promoting diversity, but seek to suppress diverse viewpoints by labeling them ‘hateful and ‘hurtful.’”

http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2007/06/12/another_lesson_in_selective_tolerance

Now a homosexual can marry any person of the opposite sex they choose with the same qualifiers.

Equal protection under the law only says that you have the same legal rights as any other citizen regardless of race, color, creed, nation of origin or sexual orientation.

In order for the laws against same sex marriage to be discriminatory there would have to be different laws specifically barring homosexuals from entering into legal marriages. there are none so it is not discriminatory. Regardless of your personal views on ssm’s from a legal standpoint there is no arguement conerning equal protection nor discrimination.

Any answer for the situation with the nuns? They can’t marry by matter of morality and law. What do they do? Why is marriage their only solution according to you? Tell me honestly: why do gay people need marriage when the nuns absolutely won’t be granted marriage rights, yet manage without it?

I’ve given up expecting an answer from you, to be honest. If you had one, you would have said it by now. You resort to juvenile behavior as if that’s enough. Some people argue by giving facts or reason. In fact, that’s what arguments are. I’m going to resort to sympathy, because you’ve apparently never learned what an argument is, and that must explain why you resort to juvenile behavior. Too bad for you that I tune that out. Good night.

You have a blind spot that makes you unable to see that the premise of your question is, quite simply, wrong.

Gay people don’t “need” to be married any more than black people “needed” to on the front of the bus. But gay people do not have the OPTION to marry and receive the benefits of marriage, unlike straight people.

For you to say that “straight people don’t have that option” is just a lie.

It’s gays not having the option that is — on its face! — discriminatory. You can call that a “snide remark” but that’s not a rebuttal.

The conversation was prompted by the announcement by a Christian friend’s son that he is gay. I began to think about how I would handle the issue should one of my children make a similar announcement. This young man’s family threw him out of the house and his father will no longer speak to him. Could I do this to one of my own beloved children? I began to think about the sin of homosexuality and its relationship to other sins. I decided I would treat homosexuality like any other sin…it is not so much the inclination…we are all inclined to sin and tempted to do so in a variety of areas…but it is the acting out on the inclination that is the sin. Also, as you said, sex outside of marriage is sinful…why should homosexual sex be any different. So my conclusion was that so long as the gay man or woman abstained from homosexual physical relations, then the inclination toward homosexuality could be looked upon as any other inclination toward sin.

And, Tyrian;
You “Rock!”

And John D., just a question — if life was all about “equal,” why are the top 5% of earners in the US paying almost 37% of the taxes while earning only 17% of the income? Oh my – that’s not fair fo’ sho’!

To start I must say that it is not through a genuine thought out love for another person that anyone can encourage homosexuality. Despite all the PC rhetoric and ignorance of facts, homnsexuality is detrimental to a person mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual health. I encourage anyone who disagrees with me to thoroughly read this http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html and then try and dispute it.

Just because you can’t see an inherent human trait, it doesn’t mean it’s not there. I believe that “homosexual behavior is a choice” is a fallacious argument.

To argue this from a Christian perspective it is not. No one can reasonably deny that God, uder no uncertain terms considers sodomy and abomination. It goes against the very first command he gave to
His creation to “be fruitful and multiply” (please don’t make absurd arguments about those who are sterile, just think about it). This also falls in the same vein with abortion and contraception though that is another subject altogether. Sex outside of it’s procreative, unitive, and metaphysical purposes is also condemned by God.

Now God does not condemn love for our fellow man and in that light a man loving another man or a woman loving another woman is perfectly acceptable. We are commanded to love. The question really is whether or not it is actually love or lust. From where does your feelings for this person truly flow? Is homosexuality thus not defined by a sexual attraction to a member of the same sex? It is in this that a person has a choice. Choose to follow God’s will or disobey Him.

To argue your position with science is simply to realize that evolution rules you out. Homosexuality is not beneficial to the survival of the species and as shown in the above link is actually disastrous to a persons well being. In light of such information to continue upon such a path is to do so out of sheer will. The problem is understanding why one chooses this life and many studies have linked it to a variety of issues. The largest of these issues concerns the relationship of parent to child. Was the father distant? Was the mother too close? Was there abuse and neglect from a gender that left a person emotionally scarred to them? Our permissive culture is also fostering an increase in homosexual/bisexual behavior. If it feels good do it. Don’t be so closed minded. Experiment, it’s only sex after all. Drugs and alcohol have their roles to serve. Some people are born with the biological propensity to fall into the gay life. This is mostly observed in the emotionally sensitive people, particularly those seeking just to be desired. If they are rejected by the one sex then that need for acceptance can manifest itself into desires for the same sex.

What are you suggesting we do? Stay celibate all of our life?

No. But it is possible. I often find this insulting but when I think about it Christians have helped foster this mentality. First is the falatious Hollywood idea that there is somebody out there for everybody. In fact, there isn’t. God calls some people to celebacy and guess what? They survived! Read about the life of the apostle Paul, you would be quite surprised what he has to say about.

Now what I find insulting is that sexual chastity is required of all of us, not just homosexuals. Promiscuity in any form is condemned by God. No sex before marriage. No sex outside your marriage. Periods of abstinence in a marriage when it’s purposes stray form God. Christians who condemn homosexual sex should also just as strongly condemn the sexual immoralities of their own. This issue isn’t one of sexual preference, it’s one of sexual responsibility. Anyone who sleeps around is just as guilty of sexual sin as anyone who engages in homosexual sex.

Engage in heterosexual behavior, which is contrary to our desires?

Not all desires are beneficial. The reason why the dichotomoy of homosexuality and pedophilia comes up so prevalently is resultant of this argument. NAMBLA makes the same argument that you do. They feel it is natural and should be lawful and publicly acceptable. It’s part of an entitlement mentality that just because we desire something we should receive it and it should be accepted. Consent can’t be an argument because what if a child consents to it? Should it be ok then? If you can be born homosexual why can’t some not be born with desire for children or in the childs case desire for adult? The problem is not the desire but our societies increasing lack of fostering proper managment and responsibility regarding these desires.

One *is* compelled to act on those desires, because they are the only natural ones.

If such is the case then so is the murderer, rapist, arsonist, thief, social deviant, etc. justified by their actions because they feel compelled to act on them.

Gay men and women aren’t asking for the religious marriage – they are asking for a civil definition of it, for a social approval of their families.

Oh? And what happens when a church refuses to offer the ceremony for a gay couple. The Catholic church was forced to close the doors on it’s adoption centers in Chicago when they weren’t granted religious exemption. You see, people like you get angry when the church influences the state but have no problems when the state forces itself on the Church. Should homosexual marriage be granted the church would indeed be affected especially if coupled with direction our legislation is going regarding “hate speech”.

they are asking for a civil definition of it, for a social approval of their families. It makes the most sense for society, and it’s healthy. By encouraging gay men and women to enter a stable, socially-approved relationship, you are reducing chances of promiscuity, psychological problems, and disease.

The health issues have already been debunked. Providing acceptance of a lifestyle will not change it’s damaging effect. Ask the Dutch. They have the same problems we do here and it’s widely accepted by them.

research clearly shows that lesbian couples are the most stable ones.

lol Proof please? Married devout Chrsitian couples are clearly more stable. They built America!

From a moral standpoint, I will never condone it. But, this country and world is getting so immoral, it’s like a losing battle.

When did a sexual relationship become the basis for marriage? Certainly Iran mullahs are looking at allowing 1 hour marriages so men can have sex and then divorce their wife(?) immediately after.
Is marriage just about the sex act? GOD help us.

Now of all of those people I planned to be over this week I can actually accomplish only one. A sex change operation would take more than a day. I am years from both 80 and 6. I can’t become Korean or Brazilian even if I try real hard. I could spend all day at a tanning salon but that would only cook my skin red or brown, but it certainly would not make me black.

I can however, run up to any number of bars near Du Pont Circle and find me a girlfriend for the night … if I CHOOSE to do so. We choose our sex partners, we may have an interest or a preference, but short of rape — we choose. It is a behavior.