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		<title>By: Nikki Pratt</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/01/fatherlessness-as-child-abuse/comment-page-2/#comment-94508</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of what makes a marriage work is simply treating each other civily even when angry.  The other half is living within your means. It really makes me sad to hear all the people who claim they weren&#039;t ready for the responsibility of marriage.   The more I hear that, the more I realize how immature our society has gotten.  People used to raise their children so they had the skills they needed to survive.  Now they have to go &quot;discover themselves.&quot;  It breaks my heart.

[quote]Being that statistically, two thirds of divorces are initiated by women, does it seem that women place less emphasis on having a father in the house than men?

Comment by Greg [/quote]

An interesting statistic and most likely completely true.  Having worked for a divorce attorney, I can attest that there were a lot of women who filed first, but in every case the man had already moved out.  If the wife can&#039;t seduce the husband and his paycheck back from his girlfriend&#039;s apartment, then she got to get that paperwork on file so she can pay the bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of what makes a marriage work is simply treating each other civily even when angry.  The other half is living within your means. It really makes me sad to hear all the people who claim they weren&#8217;t ready for the responsibility of marriage.   The more I hear that, the more I realize how immature our society has gotten.  People used to raise their children so they had the skills they needed to survive.  Now they have to go &#8220;discover themselves.&#8221;  It breaks my heart.</p>
<p>[quote]Being that statistically, two thirds of divorces are initiated by women, does it seem that women place less emphasis on having a father in the house than men?</p>
<p>Comment by Greg [/quote]</p>
<p>An interesting statistic and most likely completely true.  Having worked for a divorce attorney, I can attest that there were a lot of women who filed first, but in every case the man had already moved out.  If the wife can&#8217;t seduce the husband and his paycheck back from his girlfriend&#8217;s apartment, then she got to get that paperwork on file so she can pay the bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being that statistically, two thirds of divorces are initiated by women, does it seem that women place less emphasis on having a father in the house than men?</description>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather abandoned my father and his mother when dad was a baby. It left a profound sadness, hurt and emptiness in my father&#039;s that is so profound it affects even me. My grandmother did a magnificent job in raising my dad, he loved her so profoundly even I have admiration for a woman who died before I was born. My dad turned things around; married to my mom for well over 20 years, and I also hope to find someone to marry someday. My grandmother was a magnificent woman and did a fine job raising my father. But she had a lot to do, as did my father, in turning things around for themselves after my grandfather abandoned them. Would it have been ideal if my grandfather had stayed and done his duty? Absolutely. My dad came through ok, but the spiritual and emotional pain has definitely defined his character and his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather abandoned my father and his mother when dad was a baby. It left a profound sadness, hurt and emptiness in my father&#8217;s that is so profound it affects even me. My grandmother did a magnificent job in raising my dad, he loved her so profoundly even I have admiration for a woman who died before I was born. My dad turned things around; married to my mom for well over 20 years, and I also hope to find someone to marry someday. My grandmother was a magnificent woman and did a fine job raising my father. But she had a lot to do, as did my father, in turning things around for themselves after my grandfather abandoned them. Would it have been ideal if my grandfather had stayed and done his duty? Absolutely. My dad came through ok, but the spiritual and emotional pain has definitely defined his character and his life.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not instigating, just curious.  would the same apply if a single, never married woman wanted to adopt or had already adopted a child?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not instigating, just curious.  would the same apply if a single, never married woman wanted to adopt or had already adopted a child?</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/01/fatherlessness-as-child-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-94470</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;we the people&quot; (government) &quot;should literally PAY people with high incomes and/or high educational achievement to have children&quot; ---- why shouldn&#039;t &quot;we the people&quot; (government) sterilize the &quot;unfit&quot;?

NOT MY PROGRAM ---- just asking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;we the people&#8221; (government) &#8220;should literally PAY people with high incomes and/or high educational achievement to have children&#8221; &#8212;- why shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;we the people&#8221; (government) sterilize the &#8220;unfit&#8221;?</p>
<p>NOT MY PROGRAM &#8212;- just asking!</p>
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		<title>By: THEBIGDODDY</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEBIGDODDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlotta, don&#039;t fall for the okey doke, young lady. 

When we post on conservative blogs we&#039;ll have to unfortunately endure and even attempt to fruitfully engage with a whole lot of Jared Taylor, Ian Jobling, and Michael Levin wanna-be&#039;s.

Don&#039;t fret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlotta, don&#8217;t fall for the okey doke, young lady. </p>
<p>When we post on conservative blogs we&#8217;ll have to unfortunately endure and even attempt to fruitfully engage with a whole lot of Jared Taylor, Ian Jobling, and Michael Levin wanna-be&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fret.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, how dangerous your assumptions are here. Those with money or more moral and can raise a child better than those who are poor. High incomes plus high education doesn&#039;t automatically transfer to being a good parent.

The fact that a woman in that pay bracket is giving birth illegitimately shows a lack of morality (at least at conception).

Still, that is not good. Unwed is unwed whether you are poor or rich.  That is NOT a good thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, how dangerous your assumptions are here. Those with money or more moral and can raise a child better than those who are poor. High incomes plus high education doesn&#8217;t automatically transfer to being a good parent.</p>
<p>The fact that a woman in that pay bracket is giving birth illegitimately shows a lack of morality (at least at conception).</p>
<p>Still, that is not good. Unwed is unwed whether you are poor or rich.  That is NOT a good thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statistics you quote at the end
are interesting.  Most are dire, but 
not all:

• 22% of never-married black women with incomes over $75,000 have children, 10 times that of white women.

This isn&#039;t a bad thing.  In fact I
would argue that it is a very GOOD
thing.  There are far too many capable
and competent people who are NOT having
kids.  When the breeders in a society
are comprised of the least fit, what
does that say about the future of
that society?  

I personally believe that the government
should literally PAY people with high
incomes and/or high educational 
achievement to have children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statistics you quote at the end<br />
are interesting.  Most are dire, but<br />
not all:</p>
<p>• 22% of never-married black women with incomes over $75,000 have children, 10 times that of white women.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a bad thing.  In fact I<br />
would argue that it is a very GOOD<br />
thing.  There are far too many capable<br />
and competent people who are NOT having<br />
kids.  When the breeders in a society<br />
are comprised of the least fit, what<br />
does that say about the future of<br />
that society?  </p>
<p>I personally believe that the government<br />
should literally PAY people with high<br />
incomes and/or high educational<br />
achievement to have children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Rosencrance</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/01/fatherlessness-as-child-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-94435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Rosencrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said LaShawn,

My wife and I are retired and enjoying the role of Grandparent.  We have four daughters.  I must comment that the role of the father in the life of daughters is critically important too.  One author says that every girl is a &quot;princess&quot; who asks two questions, &quot;Am I beautiful?&quot; and &quot;Do you love me?&quot;  The affirmative answers to those questions are best supplied often and emphatically by the father.  If that is lacking, the search for those answers begins to include other males and lasts into adulthood and for most of life.  My opinion is that women &quot;settle&quot; for less than worthy men who have learned to get what they want by manipulating the woman.  Giving &quot;love&quot; to get sex.

My wife and I are facilitating a premarital training and marriage mentoring program in our church.  Training IS important. 

We are also involved in our community as CASA volunteers.  (I&#039;m one of the few males in the local program!)  We see too many young people who are in the foster care system because of the wreckage of uncommitted parents, most often the fleeing or unconcerned male who has &quot;moved on.&quot;  Two parents are no guarantee of loving stability but they do improve the odds.  We seldom are see a CASA child who is from a two parent home.

HHMmm.  Sounds like I&#039;m blowing my own horn.  Sorry.  Just want to say that if you have learned things that have helped you, get involved with sharing that experience with others, pass it on!  My wife and I learned too much the hard way, butting heads for decades in some cases.  Divorce was never an option, murder perhaps, but never divorce.  We want to help others learn sooner some of the things that took us a long time to discover.  Keeping the family together is paramount.  

John said it best regarding being a believer/Jesus follower, &quot;You will know them by their love.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said LaShawn,</p>
<p>My wife and I are retired and enjoying the role of Grandparent.  We have four daughters.  I must comment that the role of the father in the life of daughters is critically important too.  One author says that every girl is a &#8220;princess&#8221; who asks two questions, &#8220;Am I beautiful?&#8221; and &#8220;Do you love me?&#8221;  The affirmative answers to those questions are best supplied often and emphatically by the father.  If that is lacking, the search for those answers begins to include other males and lasts into adulthood and for most of life.  My opinion is that women &#8220;settle&#8221; for less than worthy men who have learned to get what they want by manipulating the woman.  Giving &#8220;love&#8221; to get sex.</p>
<p>My wife and I are facilitating a premarital training and marriage mentoring program in our church.  Training IS important. </p>
<p>We are also involved in our community as CASA volunteers.  (I&#8217;m one of the few males in the local program!)  We see too many young people who are in the foster care system because of the wreckage of uncommitted parents, most often the fleeing or unconcerned male who has &#8220;moved on.&#8221;  Two parents are no guarantee of loving stability but they do improve the odds.  We seldom are see a CASA child who is from a two parent home.</p>
<p>HHMmm.  Sounds like I&#8217;m blowing my own horn.  Sorry.  Just want to say that if you have learned things that have helped you, get involved with sharing that experience with others, pass it on!  My wife and I learned too much the hard way, butting heads for decades in some cases.  Divorce was never an option, murder perhaps, but never divorce.  We want to help others learn sooner some of the things that took us a long time to discover.  Keeping the family together is paramount.  </p>
<p>John said it best regarding being a believer/Jesus follower, &#8220;You will know them by their love.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Olive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIGDODDY said: &quot;The reasons marriages fail is because people don’t need to be in them in the first place. Based on MY observations and interactions with ALL kinds of people, it seems that people, in general, are woefully unprepared for most relationships (platonic and romantic) and lack understanding of what healthy and godly relationships entail, in form or function.&quot;

This is the key, the crux of the matter.

I enjoy your blog, LaShawn. 

Olive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIGDODDY said: &#8220;The reasons marriages fail is because people don’t need to be in them in the first place. Based on MY observations and interactions with ALL kinds of people, it seems that people, in general, are woefully unprepared for most relationships (platonic and romantic) and lack understanding of what healthy and godly relationships entail, in form or function.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the key, the crux of the matter.</p>
<p>I enjoy your blog, LaShawn. </p>
<p>Olive</p>
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		<title>By: SolShine7</title>
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		<dc:creator>SolShine7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatherlessness is definitely a form of abuse because it effects a child as soon as they enter the world. I&#039;m so glad that you&#039;re brave enough to write this! And the Bible talks about us keeping widows and fatherless on our hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatherlessness is definitely a form of abuse because it effects a child as soon as they enter the world. I&#8217;m so glad that you&#8217;re brave enough to write this! And the Bible talks about us keeping widows and fatherless on our hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEBIGDODDY, thanks for the correction----I have no call to speak for &quot;all&quot; of anybody! I have worked with kids and families of all sorts for my entire career. I now work with a hospital in dealing with patient/family problems and needs.

I find that a lot of people who have problems also have a lot of excuses and places to shift blame. They usually resist taking ownership for much of what is of their own making. As a conservative, I think that taking responsibility for your situation is essential to effecting an improvement. Granted, some folks are so worn down that they have to brought around slowly. But stroking a check and letting them go back to their failing ways is not the answer.

Conservatives who write people off and don&#039;t offer a hand up are out there, I know. They just haven&#039;t met me. Kicking a person who is down is not a philosophy, it is a sickness.

Whenever someone pats me on the back and hands me a donation, I always tell them I will call them when I have something I think they can pitch in an do. Surprisingly, to some, most people will help, they just have to be asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEBIGDODDY, thanks for the correction&#8212;-I have no call to speak for &#8220;all&#8221; of anybody! I have worked with kids and families of all sorts for my entire career. I now work with a hospital in dealing with patient/family problems and needs.</p>
<p>I find that a lot of people who have problems also have a lot of excuses and places to shift blame. They usually resist taking ownership for much of what is of their own making. As a conservative, I think that taking responsibility for your situation is essential to effecting an improvement. Granted, some folks are so worn down that they have to brought around slowly. But stroking a check and letting them go back to their failing ways is not the answer.</p>
<p>Conservatives who write people off and don&#8217;t offer a hand up are out there, I know. They just haven&#8217;t met me. Kicking a person who is down is not a philosophy, it is a sickness.</p>
<p>Whenever someone pats me on the back and hands me a donation, I always tell them I will call them when I have something I think they can pitch in an do. Surprisingly, to some, most people will help, they just have to be asked.</p>
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		<title>By: THEBIGDODDY</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEBIGDODDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heliotrope, you say that single mothers are not looked down upon by conservatives.  I know you want to think the best of the segment, but it&#039;s simply a fact that they do..but then again, liberals do too.  

In that aspect they are not much different in that both groups look down upon those who fall short of their ideal.

But nonetheless, the solution to those problems of familial destruction is going to be bi-partisan in nature which is the promotion of purity and preparation.  Doing that will nip all of that in the bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heliotrope, you say that single mothers are not looked down upon by conservatives.  I know you want to think the best of the segment, but it&#8217;s simply a fact that they do..but then again, liberals do too.  </p>
<p>In that aspect they are not much different in that both groups look down upon those who fall short of their ideal.</p>
<p>But nonetheless, the solution to those problems of familial destruction is going to be bi-partisan in nature which is the promotion of purity and preparation.  Doing that will nip all of that in the bud.</p>
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		<title>By: THEBIGDODDY</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEBIGDODDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trish, I agree with all you wrote in your last response.

As well I say that you husband is/was EXCEPTIONAL indeed as most 21 year olds are not regarding those endeavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trish, I agree with all you wrote in your last response.</p>
<p>As well I say that you husband is/was EXCEPTIONAL indeed as most 21 year olds are not regarding those endeavors.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heliotrope--
Had your wife died, you would not have been a &quot;single parent.&quot;  You would have been a married parent whose spouse had died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heliotrope&#8211;<br />
Had your wife died, you would not have been a &#8220;single parent.&#8221;  You would have been a married parent whose spouse had died.</p>
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