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		<title>By: m c harrison</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/07/supreme-court-screws-up-in-child-rape-case/comment-page-1/#comment-94599</link>
		<dc:creator>m c harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A day late and a dollar short, but...The &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; clause came about beause punishments of the time (18th century) WERE cruei and, to say the least, unusual; being hung, drawn, and quartered meant being hung until you were barely conscious, cut down, and disemboweled. The hangman then burned your intestines in front of you. THAT is cruel and unusual; executions in this country do not begin to approach &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A day late and a dollar short, but&#8230;The &#8220;cruel and unusual&#8221; clause came about beause punishments of the time (18th century) WERE cruei and, to say the least, unusual; being hung, drawn, and quartered meant being hung until you were barely conscious, cut down, and disemboweled. The hangman then burned your intestines in front of you. THAT is cruel and unusual; executions in this country do not begin to approach &#8220;cruel and unusual&#8221; proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;In the opinion of this everyday citizen, there is nothing cruel or unusual about the death sentence.&gt;&gt;

And this everyday citizen agrees with you - but I&#039;ll bet that there&#039;s a challenge to a death sentence within a year, on the basis of cruel and unusual.  

I wouldn&#039;t mind being wrong.  Sometimes being wrong is a _good_ thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;In the opinion of this everyday citizen, there is nothing cruel or unusual about the death sentence.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>And this everyday citizen agrees with you &#8211; but I&#8217;ll bet that there&#8217;s a challenge to a death sentence within a year, on the basis of cruel and unusual.  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind being wrong.  Sometimes being wrong is a _good_ thing!</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to go all esoteric ----- but, the phrase &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; is not &quot;cruel or unusual&quot; or &quot;cruel and/or unusual.&quot;

When a woman says she is looking for a tall and handsome man, she means both. A good looking dwarf or an ugly nine footer is not going to work.

&quot;Cruel and unusual punishment&quot; is clearly setting two standards both of which must be met. In the opinion of this everyday citizen, there is nothing cruel or unusual about the death sentence.

I understand that the method of carrying out the death sentence has been under plenty of scrutiny, but in the history of the United States, the death sentence is not an &quot;unusual&quot; punishment.

Now this line of reasoning means that &quot;cruel&quot; punishment is permitted, so long as it is not unusual. I agree. If the majority support the death penalty, then it is not &quot;cruel.&quot;

When we were a young country, people sometimes died from whippings delivered as a punishment. We now believe that to be &quot;cruel&quot; and we have banned it, which also makes it unusual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to go all esoteric &#8212;&#8211; but, the phrase &#8220;cruel and unusual&#8221; is not &#8220;cruel or unusual&#8221; or &#8220;cruel and/or unusual.&#8221;</p>
<p>When a woman says she is looking for a tall and handsome man, she means both. A good looking dwarf or an ugly nine footer is not going to work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cruel and unusual punishment&#8221; is clearly setting two standards both of which must be met. In the opinion of this everyday citizen, there is nothing cruel or unusual about the death sentence.</p>
<p>I understand that the method of carrying out the death sentence has been under plenty of scrutiny, but in the history of the United States, the death sentence is not an &#8220;unusual&#8221; punishment.</p>
<p>Now this line of reasoning means that &#8220;cruel&#8221; punishment is permitted, so long as it is not unusual. I agree. If the majority support the death penalty, then it is not &#8220;cruel.&#8221;</p>
<p>When we were a young country, people sometimes died from whippings delivered as a punishment. We now believe that to be &#8220;cruel&#8221; and we have banned it, which also makes it unusual.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/07/supreme-court-screws-up-in-child-rape-case/comment-page-1/#comment-94536</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Supremes disallowed the death penalty on the basis of being cruel and unusual, how long do you think it&#039;s going to be before someone says the obvious and that will eliminate the death penalty entirely.  I understand that they said &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; in light of it being &quot;just a rape&quot; with no death of the victim, but they have spoken the magic words and invoked the 8th amendment prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment.  After all, is the cruel and unusual part of punishing the perpetrator any different whether the victim lived or dies?  You could argue about whether it&#039;s _deserved_ or not, but if the punishment is in itself cruel and unusual, there&#039;s a problem.  The 8th specifically prohibits cruel and unusual.

And PS, LaShawn...glad you&#039;re back on politics...I don&#039;t do the music stuff unless you want to get into classical!  Your site has always been good for discussion because you keep such a close eye on it and keep the trolls at bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Supremes disallowed the death penalty on the basis of being cruel and unusual, how long do you think it&#8217;s going to be before someone says the obvious and that will eliminate the death penalty entirely.  I understand that they said &#8220;cruel and unusual&#8221; in light of it being &#8220;just a rape&#8221; with no death of the victim, but they have spoken the magic words and invoked the 8th amendment prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment.  After all, is the cruel and unusual part of punishing the perpetrator any different whether the victim lived or dies?  You could argue about whether it&#8217;s _deserved_ or not, but if the punishment is in itself cruel and unusual, there&#8217;s a problem.  The 8th specifically prohibits cruel and unusual.</p>
<p>And PS, LaShawn&#8230;glad you&#8217;re back on politics&#8230;I don&#8217;t do the music stuff unless you want to get into classical!  Your site has always been good for discussion because you keep such a close eye on it and keep the trolls at bay.</p>
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		<title>By: BETH</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/07/supreme-court-screws-up-in-child-rape-case/comment-page-1/#comment-94535</link>
		<dc:creator>BETH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I did mean civilian law.  I&#039;m not a lawyer, just a paralegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I did mean civilian law.  I&#8217;m not a lawyer, just a paralegal.</p>
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		<title>By: SkyePuppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkyePuppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth: &lt;i&gt;Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases.&lt;/i&gt;

No, theoretically not. But then neither are international laws. That, however, hasn&#039;t stopped the Supreme Court from basing some of their decisions on the laws of other nations. They&#039;re getting more and more off-base (putting it mildly) every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth: <i>Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases.</i></p>
<p>No, theoretically not. But then neither are international laws. That, however, hasn&#8217;t stopped the Supreme Court from basing some of their decisions on the laws of other nations. They&#8217;re getting more and more off-base (putting it mildly) every year.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Beth states: 

&quot;The Supreme Court didn’t make a mistake. Military law and civil law ARE two different jurisdictions. Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases. If anthing, the military law is unconstitutional; it’s not the other way around.&quot;

However, LaShawn noted in the post that: 

&quot;Both the majority and minority expressly stated that Congress had not enacted a law permitting death for child rape.&quot; 

The Supreme Court was incorrect. Congress did authorize a law permitting death for child rape. Based on their erroneous statement to the contrary, it is safe to assume that they did not consider the law Congress had passed.

This is a flawed decision, because the Supreme Court did not thoroughly review the existing law.

The Supreme Court may decide to strike down the existing law. That is another matter entirely. It has nothing to do with precedent. Furthermore, the court is considering a punishment under criminal law. We do not have the death penalty in civil law. However, I am sure you meant to say &quot;civilian&quot; law as opposed to &quot;military&quot; law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Beth states: </p>
<p>&#8220;The Supreme Court didn’t make a mistake. Military law and civil law ARE two different jurisdictions. Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases. If anthing, the military law is unconstitutional; it’s not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, LaShawn noted in the post that: </p>
<p>&#8220;Both the majority and minority expressly stated that Congress had not enacted a law permitting death for child rape.&#8221; </p>
<p>The Supreme Court was incorrect. Congress did authorize a law permitting death for child rape. Based on their erroneous statement to the contrary, it is safe to assume that they did not consider the law Congress had passed.</p>
<p>This is a flawed decision, because the Supreme Court did not thoroughly review the existing law.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court may decide to strike down the existing law. That is another matter entirely. It has nothing to do with precedent. Furthermore, the court is considering a punishment under criminal law. We do not have the death penalty in civil law. However, I am sure you meant to say &#8220;civilian&#8221; law as opposed to &#8220;military&#8221; law.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fry? In Malaysia you get hung by the neck until dead.*

*They had to add the &#039;until dead&#039; part because one jackass managed to survive *three* botched hangings, and they pretty much had to let him go because he&#039;d paid the price for his crimes - he&#039;d been hung.

The only problem I foresee with killing these jerks off is if there is the possibility of innocence. But if not, then yeah, go for it.

And I say this as a conservatively-inclined, evangelical Anglican of the Province of SEA (as hidebound as you can be)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fry? In Malaysia you get hung by the neck until dead.*</p>
<p>*They had to add the &#8216;until dead&#8217; part because one jackass managed to survive *three* botched hangings, and they pretty much had to let him go because he&#8217;d paid the price for his crimes &#8211; he&#8217;d been hung.</p>
<p>The only problem I foresee with killing these jerks off is if there is the possibility of innocence. But if not, then yeah, go for it.</p>
<p>And I say this as a conservatively-inclined, evangelical Anglican of the Province of SEA (as hidebound as you can be)</p>
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		<title>By: BETH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Supreme Court didn&#039;t make a mistake.  Military law and civil law ARE two different jurisdictions.  Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases.  If anthing, the military law is unconstitutional; it&#039;s not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court didn&#8217;t make a mistake.  Military law and civil law ARE two different jurisdictions.  Military cases are never cited in and do not set precedent for civil cases.  If anthing, the military law is unconstitutional; it&#8217;s not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with La Shawn - the case should be re-opened, but it probably will not be. The Imperial Judiciary does not admit to making mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with La Shawn &#8211; the case should be re-opened, but it probably will not be. The Imperial Judiciary does not admit to making mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point.  The court is supposed to apply the Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution, to the law in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  The court is supposed to apply the Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution, to the law in question.</p>
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		<title>By: tnmartin</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/07/supreme-court-screws-up-in-child-rape-case/comment-page-1/#comment-94525</link>
		<dc:creator>tnmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one may remind others, one of the original meanings of &#039;&#039;felony&#039;&#039; was &#039;crime punished by death&#039;.  It has not always been restricted to premeditated murder, but has included such things as forgery, arson, rape of any kind, treason, espionage, certain types of theft, and others.  I believe that forcible rape of a minor is a crime whose nature demands the most extreme punishment, and that means execution.  Offer the condemned a Christian advisor, certainly.  But hang him, quickly.
Now, that is an aside.
The real issue is the Court.  Perhaps I missed it, but a quick glance through the Constitution does not reveal ANY grant of power that would permit the Judiciary to determine &#039;changing standards of public decency&#039; or whatever mealy-mouthed nonsense used this time.  Such matters are supposed to be addressed by the Legislative branches, acting upon the express wishes of the citizens of this once-free land.  Bluntly, the type of slow-motion coup d&#039;etat being conducted by the courts constitute the sort of &#039;&#039;high crimes and misdemeanors&#039;&#039; that demand impeachment and removal of these self-appointed dictators in black robes.  ALL five of the scoundrels guilty of this travesty should have been out of office the very same hour and day, and sent scurrying off whatever far off land would accept their presence.  FIRE these bums!  They have forgotten that they work for us.  FIRE them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one may remind others, one of the original meanings of &#8221;felony&#8221; was &#8216;crime punished by death&#8217;.  It has not always been restricted to premeditated murder, but has included such things as forgery, arson, rape of any kind, treason, espionage, certain types of theft, and others.  I believe that forcible rape of a minor is a crime whose nature demands the most extreme punishment, and that means execution.  Offer the condemned a Christian advisor, certainly.  But hang him, quickly.<br />
Now, that is an aside.<br />
The real issue is the Court.  Perhaps I missed it, but a quick glance through the Constitution does not reveal ANY grant of power that would permit the Judiciary to determine &#8216;changing standards of public decency&#8217; or whatever mealy-mouthed nonsense used this time.  Such matters are supposed to be addressed by the Legislative branches, acting upon the express wishes of the citizens of this once-free land.  Bluntly, the type of slow-motion coup d&#8217;etat being conducted by the courts constitute the sort of &#8221;high crimes and misdemeanors&#8221; that demand impeachment and removal of these self-appointed dictators in black robes.  ALL five of the scoundrels guilty of this travesty should have been out of office the very same hour and day, and sent scurrying off whatever far off land would accept their presence.  FIRE these bums!  They have forgotten that they work for us.  FIRE them!</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany Partin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany Partin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with you on this one. If someone ever touched my daughter inappropriately, I would hope that first, I could control my anger long enough to allow the courts to mete out justice. And second, I would hope that the sentence handed down would be the harshest possible. Frankly, if there was something harsher than death, that is what child rapists would deserve!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with you on this one. If someone ever touched my daughter inappropriately, I would hope that first, I could control my anger long enough to allow the courts to mete out justice. And second, I would hope that the sentence handed down would be the harshest possible. Frankly, if there was something harsher than death, that is what child rapists would deserve!!</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been against capital punishment, but Todd,here&#039;s a flash:  trials are ABOUT being judgmental! That&#039;s their purpose.
Christians are only supposed to avoid judging HYPOCRITICALLY, not to avoid all judgment. And if punishing a criminal is &quot;judgmental,&quot; what do you call saying someone is &quot;not very Christian-like&quot;?

Whether or not you agree with the decision, the case certainly should be reopened if a mistake of this magnitude has been made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been against capital punishment, but Todd,here&#8217;s a flash:  trials are ABOUT being judgmental! That&#8217;s their purpose.<br />
Christians are only supposed to avoid judging HYPOCRITICALLY, not to avoid all judgment. And if punishing a criminal is &#8220;judgmental,&#8221; what do you call saying someone is &#8220;not very Christian-like&#8221;?</p>
<p>Whether or not you agree with the decision, the case certainly should be reopened if a mistake of this magnitude has been made.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark La Roi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark La Roi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...no matter how one feels about it morally, that&#039;s one big legal gaffe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;no matter how one feels about it morally, that&#8217;s one big legal gaffe.</p>
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